The Tallis Scholars is by far one of the most talented vocal ensemble in the world. I have heard them in Philadelphia, Ann Arbor and in London and I must say each time they get better and better. I love this group.
The Tallis Scholars, under Peter Phillips direction singing William Byrd is sheer perfection. Such mastery of the language, enunciation, tone and tempo all serve to make for a totally uplifting experience!
Buy the whole DVD--it is filmed beautifully with different lighting for each piece. Also, it includes more pieces than you find on the CD of the same name. Great to see the singers as well as to hear them. Tessa Bonner--rest in peace.
It may be borrowed but now that I have seen it I may be willing to buy one of their DVD's. I have found a lot of music on You Tube that I like then I go buy what I like the best. I have never heard of this group before this.
I was lucky to see them perform a few years ago within walking distance of my apartment! It was definitely one of the greatest musical experiences I have had. Sadly, the venue had a problem with lights--they went out during the show and came back on a few seconds later, but messed the singers up. You could tell Peter Phillips was mad, but he joked about it after intermission, so I guess it could have been worse! I have a feeling that they'll probably never come back though...
The Tallis Scholars are at the very top, in my opinion, of excellence. I WISH we had their version of William Cornysh's "Magnificat" on here - that was my introduction to them and I was an instant fan from then on.
Yes I love gothic too, but am not averse to some of the more tastefully done modern edifices, but it's a pity there are so few. We have the Latin mass here too but it is generally a latin translation of the modern Roman Rite - and the choirs that accompany it are sadly generally not expert. I am glad that you manage to play a part in retaining this great tradition in your work. Peace ;)
Without youtube, i never would have found this, and wouldn't be inclined to buy ANY thing from them. Perhaps, look at the good effects, instead of the bad ones...
Welcome to the Church of S Augustine, Kilburn. Consecrated in 1880 and widely known as the 'Cathedral of North London', S Augustine's is an Anglo-Catholic Parish Church of the Church of England with roots in the Oxford Movement and a proud tradition of serving its vibrant and diverse community with an active programme of worship and outreach.
I've have read numerous interviews and accounts with him, and he really puts off this know-it-all attitude, even though he doesn't even compare with the likes of Paul Hillier or Anthoney Rooley. Or Paul Elliot, Rogers Covey-Crump, or many others, for that matter.
I never said downloading and keeping something is good, what i mean is that if the copyright law isn't broken somehow and portions of material like this aren't leaked out, thousands of people wouldn't know material like this existed, and these people wouldn't get as much money. Now that i know these guys exist, im willing to go out and buy the dvd. had someone not posted this, then... well, i sure wouldn't know who these guys are, and therefore i would not buy the dvd, same goes for others
My comments relate to the position in England, Italy, Spain and France generally and London in particular, where literally a handful of parishes still use Polyphonic settings. Modern hymns and mass settings are the norm and very few of the congregation sing. Only Germany seems to buck this trend.
The King's Singers don't have a director at all, does that mean they don't rehearse? Professional groups rehearse every day and know their music and each other well enough that when performance comes along the presence of the director is almost superfluous. Just because some guy isn't waving his arms doesn't mean work wasn't done in hours of practices.
But we know that the vast majority of music from this period was written without any dynamic indication - yet singing 'vigilate' (watch) and 'dormiens' (sleeping from 'lest he catch you sleeping' is something the vast majority of recordings I've heard don't do.
The Tallis Scholars are excellent, and impeccable as regards rhythm etc, but my main problem with them is they don't give the music any life or expression...it just takes away that little something that would make listening to them a completely magical experience.
this has plenty of dynamics and texture, and no its not sung operatically or with great feeling because that is how renaissance and elizabethan polyphony is supposed to be sung! it is sung as a choir not as a selection of individual singers, which is much harder to do than any cantor or solo singing.
The Roman Church has not "ditched...tradition in favour of guitars [etc.]". Some parishes have folk masses, but it is rarely the most popular mass, and not every parish even has one. Your comment lacks the integrity of research and experience.
Yes, but oftentimes, when people talk about musicians having "energy" or "expression," this is often code for musicians who are late or inaccurate. Think of how they're shaping their vowels, singing their line and getting out of the way, that's all deliberate and quite musical. Perhaps just not to your taste.
Está vigilante, pues no sabes cuando el señor volverá a casa, por la tarde o por la noche, o cuando el gallo cante, o por la mañana: por ello está vigilante, no sea que venga de repente y te encuentre durmiendo. Y lo que te digo, se lo digo a todos: Está vigilante.
:-) Touche. Nevertheless, the Anglicans did mangage to steal our architectural style! Gothic is amazing, isn't it? Fortunately, and I can attest to this as a Catholic choirmaster, not everywhere have Catholics ditched their finest traditions! The Latin Mass is seen again and heard!
Perhaps the word "light" opera should be used. Lines 1-4 make the point.Lines 5-8-WHAT? Fine performances have a single-mindedness behind them, not a free-for-all!
I know you comment is tongue in cheek but less than 1% of Anglican churches date from before the reformation and could claim to be "stolen" As far as liturgy, the Roman Church has ditched its tradition in favour of guitars and modern "songs". Very sad!
Obviously the conductor does not rehearse the music. I don't see him do any thing but cue. There is no control. The voices are mostly good, but they sound like a group vocalizing. He just turns them loose. 'Tis true, 'tis pity. 'Tis pity, 'tis true.
Byrd is not Concone or Vaccai. This sounds like a laundary list to me. In his own words, Peter P. does not rehearse much. His singers are too good to need to do so. Please! They don't rehearse every day. The point is, there is nothing subtle about this singing. Further, I doubt P.P. would know what to do in a rehearsal other than let them sing until they get the notes, then record. Same volume all the way through-no shading, just SING,and that operatically!
Equating their singing to opera is inaccurate. Operatic singing in groups gives little consideration to blend. The worst choirs on earth are operatic choruses, lots of has-beens and haven't-quite-yet-beens trying to outsing one another, this group does not do that. And yes, pros don't have to rehearse, "very much" but that translates into a fair amount of time, particularly with a new piece or when you get into the really tiny details, as this group does.
I am sorry to say that I disagree with most of you. As for William Byrd, absolutely wonderful. One of my favorite English composers. However, I have a bit of a disliking for the Tallis Scholars. They are rather "vanilla" in comparison to their English counterparts, the Consort of Musike, and especially the Hilliard Ensemble. They have a fine tone quality, but there is no movement really in the music. Plus, Peter Phillips is really kind of a pompous ass...
The Tallis Scholars is by far one of the most talented vocal ensemble in the world. I have heard them in Philadelphia, Ann Arbor and in London and I must say each time they get better and better. I love this group.
The Tallis Scholars, under Peter Phillips direction singing William Byrd is sheer perfection. Such mastery of the language, enunciation, tone and tempo all serve to make for a totally uplifting experience!
When I hear music/singing this beautiful, I can barely breathe. Sometimes I forget to breathe!
Don't listen to any long pieces.
Buy the whole DVD--it is filmed beautifully with different lighting for each piece. Also, it includes more pieces than you find on the CD of the same name. Great to see the singers as well as to hear them. Tessa Bonner--rest in peace.
An amazing masterwork of music played by an amazing and extraordinary ensemble!
It may be borrowed but now that I have seen it I may be willing to buy one of their DVD's. I have found a lot of music on You Tube that I like then I go buy what I like the best. I have never heard of this group before this.
Rest in Peace Tessa Bonner; what a talented woman she was!
I was lucky to see them perform a few years ago within walking distance of my apartment! It was definitely one of the greatest musical experiences I have had.
Sadly, the venue had a problem with lights--they went out during the show and came back on a few seconds later, but messed the singers up. You could tell Peter Phillips was mad, but he joked about it after intermission, so I guess it could have been worse! I have a feeling that they'll probably never come back though...
The Tallis, the best!! Love them... long tadition, love them when they do male voice cameratta
Wonderful. Thank you
The Tallis Scholars are at the very top, in my opinion, of excellence. I WISH we had their version of William Cornysh's "Magnificat" on here - that was my introduction to them and I was an instant fan from then on.
Beautiful.
Yes I love gothic too, but am not averse to some of the more tastefully done modern edifices, but it's a pity there are so few. We have the Latin mass here too but it is generally a latin translation of the modern Roman Rite - and the choirs that accompany it are sadly generally not expert.
I am glad that you manage to play a part in retaining this great tradition in your work. Peace ;)
Without youtube, i never would have found this, and wouldn't be inclined to buy ANY thing from them. Perhaps, look at the good effects, instead of the bad ones...
Welcome to the Church of S Augustine, Kilburn.
Consecrated in 1880 and widely known as the 'Cathedral of North London', S Augustine's is an Anglo-Catholic Parish Church of the Church of England with roots in the Oxford Movement and a proud tradition of serving its vibrant and diverse community with an active programme of worship and outreach.
awesome! I love the tallis scholars
Oh my, what an amazing piece of music. Is not Byrd worthy of a position among the greatest?
This can be found on the DVD called "Singing Elisabeth's tune".
@CoxJoxSox This is St Augustine's Church in Kilburn London. Built in the 1860s. It's an Anglican not a Catholic church.
Beautiful! Tessa Bonner RIP.
I've have read numerous interviews and accounts with him, and he really puts off this know-it-all attitude, even though he doesn't even compare with the likes of Paul Hillier or Anthoney Rooley. Or Paul Elliot, Rogers Covey-Crump, or many others, for that matter.
I never said downloading and keeping something is good, what i mean is that if the copyright law isn't broken somehow and portions of material like this aren't leaked out, thousands of people wouldn't know material like this existed, and these people wouldn't get as much money. Now that i know these guys exist, im willing to go out and buy the dvd. had someone not posted this, then... well, i sure wouldn't know who these guys are, and therefore i would not buy the dvd, same goes for others
regarding the church, I'm prettu sure it's St Augustine's in Kilburn, North London
Yes; I believe it was recorded in 2006.
sounds about right well said ( i am a bit dum when it comes to feelings and stuff but i new i liked it) cheers
Ghostly and beautuful
@Vpyeryod I thinks it's st Augustine's kilburn
gracias
@dalem Peter Phillips--founder and sole conductor of the ensemble.
@musicallyspeakings88 yep
Ciao Peter!!!
My comments relate to the position in England, Italy, Spain and France generally and London in particular, where literally a handful of parishes still use Polyphonic settings. Modern hymns and mass settings are the norm and very few of the congregation sing. Only Germany seems to buck this trend.
you can't beat it, can you! the English choral tradition is the incomparable standard.
N@luseem16 Not necessarily. Some of these motets have coded language for the recusant Catholics.
I am not quite sure where the discussion is getting its points of reference. Is anyone here aware that William Byrd was a Catholic?
on wich cd is this song? its great
The King's Singers don't have a director at all, does that mean they don't rehearse? Professional groups rehearse every day and know their music and each other well enough that when performance comes along the presence of the director is almost superfluous. Just because some guy isn't waving his arms doesn't mean work wasn't done in hours of practices.
But we know that the vast majority of music from this period was written without any dynamic indication - yet singing 'vigilate' (watch) and 'dormiens' (sleeping from 'lest he catch you sleeping' is something the vast majority of recordings I've heard don't do.
The Tallis Scholars are excellent, and impeccable as regards rhythm etc, but my main problem with them is they don't give the music any life or expression...it just takes away that little something that would make listening to them a completely magical experience.
Does it get any better than the Tallis Scholars, hmmmmmm, NO! There the best!
I think William Byrd himself would not mind having them as his choir
Who's conducting? Looks like John Eliot Gardiner
@5619762 why ?
De nada
So beautiful. English voices singing English music.
I know that but I am sure the poster I was replying to thought it was Roman Catholic rather than Anglo-Cathloic.
Yeah, no one should worry about international copyright law. No big deal.
its magnificent, the only thing i don't like is opera quality voice in basses...or where ever it appears.
Westminster catholic church comes to mind
@gazaylamaya uh..... duh
nos faltaba tambièn en espanol
Byrd liked those1, 7, 6, 7 runs before restoration to 1 chords didn't he?
this has plenty of dynamics and texture, and no its not sung operatically or with great feeling because that is how renaissance and elizabethan polyphony is supposed to be sung! it is sung as a choir not as a selection of individual singers, which is much harder to do than any cantor or solo singing.
Those Catholics knew how to build great spaces
The Roman Church has not "ditched...tradition in favour of guitars [etc.]". Some parishes have folk masses, but it is rarely the most popular mass, and not every parish even has one. Your comment lacks the integrity of research and experience.
Yes, but oftentimes, when people talk about musicians having "energy" or "expression," this is often code for musicians who are late or inaccurate. Think of how they're shaping their vowels, singing their line and getting out of the way, that's all deliberate and quite musical. Perhaps just not to your taste.
Está vigilante,
pues no sabes cuando el señor volverá a casa,
por la tarde o por la noche,
o cuando el gallo cante, o por la mañana:
por ello está vigilante,
no sea que venga de repente
y te encuentre durmiendo.
Y lo que te digo,
se lo digo a todos:
Está vigilante.
Defend, please. Seems a matter of obvious historical fact.
Regarding my typing...I'm pretty sure it's "pretty"
:-) Touche. Nevertheless, the Anglicans did mangage to steal our architectural style! Gothic is amazing, isn't it?
Fortunately, and I can attest to this as a Catholic choirmaster, not everywhere have Catholics ditched their finest traditions! The Latin Mass is seen again and heard!
I was being sarcastic. Partially. ;-)
Oh, my... you're so wise! Please, go sleep.
Beautiful, but I feel slightly seasick. Rein in "artistic licence"!
Perhaps the word "light" opera should be used. Lines 1-4 make the point.Lines 5-8-WHAT?
Fine performances have a single-mindedness behind them, not a free-for-all!
I know you comment is tongue in cheek but less than 1% of Anglican churches date from before the reformation and could claim to be "stolen" As far as liturgy, the Roman Church has ditched its tradition in favour of guitars and modern "songs". Very sad!
Obviously the conductor does not rehearse the music. I don't see him do any thing but cue. There is no control. The voices are mostly good, but they sound like a group vocalizing. He just turns them loose.
'Tis true, 'tis pity. 'Tis pity, 'tis true.
No they aren't.
Indeed they did. The Anglicans just stole our architecture (and most of our buildings)! :-D
Byrd is not Concone or Vaccai. This sounds like a laundary list to me. In his own words, Peter P. does not rehearse much. His singers are too good to need to do so. Please! They don't rehearse every day. The point is, there is nothing subtle about this singing. Further, I doubt P.P. would know what to do in a rehearsal other than let them sing until they get the notes, then record. Same volume all the way through-no shading, just SING,and that operatically!
It seems odd to have women's voices with this music. Very very nice, though.
Equating their singing to opera is inaccurate. Operatic singing in groups gives little consideration to blend. The worst choirs on earth are operatic choruses, lots of has-beens and haven't-quite-yet-beens trying to outsing one another, this group does not do that. And yes, pros don't have to rehearse, "very much" but that translates into a fair amount of time, particularly with a new piece or when you get into the really tiny details, as this group does.
I am sorry to say that I disagree with most of you. As for William Byrd, absolutely wonderful. One of my favorite English composers.
However, I have a bit of a disliking for the Tallis Scholars. They are rather "vanilla" in comparison to their English counterparts, the Consort of Musike, and especially the Hilliard Ensemble. They have a fine tone quality, but there is no movement really in the music. Plus, Peter Phillips is really kind of a pompous ass...
rubbish.