I KNOW Crispian! Shared a pint with him while he was here in the States for a Trumpet Guild Convention......He paid me a real compliment coming from such a fine trumpeter (on both modern and and period instruments).....he said to me..(I was timpanist)..."I can tell you are a real thumper!!"
Been my favourite since it came out. Thank you for reminding us old farts that our judgement was not entirely.wrong, and remind younger music lovers that sometimes even an old HIP [ish] performance really is still worth the listen. Best wishes from George
I love the Pinnock! I also love the outrageous, over the top third Beecham set with its larger than life re-orchestration and operatic forces. What spirit!
Mr Hurwitz, Allergies can be truly miserable; I hope you feel better very soon! As always, many thanks for sharing your experience and expertise. With best wishes from Oxford.
Thank you so much, Dave. I also love the Pinnock recording and most of his soloists. I have to confess, though, that I do not enjoy counter-tenors, and I very much prefer hearing a bass sing "But Who May Abide." Consequently I often prefer older performances such as Boult's or Klemperer's (though Schwarzkopf leaves me cold). Not really old, but very enjoyable (at least for me) is Solti's recording.
Dave, I hope you feel better - allergies are not pleasant. All the best to you and thank you for all your good reviews. Yes, Pinnock's rendition is so fresh and also deep.
My father built a stereo amplifier from a Heathkit and I built a digital alarm clock for 8th grade electronics class. I saw some old Heathkit ham radio just a couple of weeks back at a swap meet. Some of us remember.
Thanks, Dave! Always interesting to listen to your recommendations. Again and again, you make me discover so much great music! By the way, these days I've been listening to Antal Dorati's performance of Haydn's Armida. I was astonished by all the wonderful music which Haydn was able to create in the theatrical field and, knowing your love for Haydn, would you consider making some video about Dorati's cycle of Haydn operas? I find those recordings extremely interesting, as they deal with some of the most neglected parts of Haydn's musical production. And, wow, those operas are undeniably great, great music. Maybe you have already talked about it. If that's the case I'll just take a look. Thanks again for all your work. Greetings from Spain!!
Pinnock vs Gardiner: no contest. Gardiner feels fine and dandy for a while until you realize he’s applying the Gardiner recipe again: every fast tempo feels the same and every slow one feels merely dutiful. Pinnock is alive to every feeling Handel had in his armory.
Personally, I have more difficulty to choose between both. I prefer the Alleluia chorus by Gardiner, because it begins softly and increases in intensity, giving a more "Handelian" effect, to my point of view. But Pinnock's casting is globally better.
You know, I actually have come to like the more recent John Butt and Dunedin Consort Messiah SACD. It is smaller in scale and slightly different as it is based on Hansel’s original Dublin version.
That is indeed quite a lovely recording! Between that one and Pinnock's one should feel 110% complete . ;) Though I have to also give a shout out to the BIG BAND sound of Thomas Beecham's. Maybe not a regular go-to choice, but definitely worth a whirl. :D
@@NN-df7hl Wow, to have a complete collection of a composition with only two recordings is a rarity in classical music. It is a hobby I find that will drive you broke monetarily but fulfill you spiritually!
Dave, on which criteria do you consider Pinnock's interpretation better than Gardiner's ? I have not made a detailed comparison, but I find both very similar and excellent, and I find it difficult to say that one is definitely better than the other.
@@MDK2_Radio Yes, I heard it, but it is a mistake. Check yourself : Gardiner is on Philips, McGegan on Harmonia Mundi. It is McGegan who made a compilation of 10 different Messiah version.
It is not just a British 'thing' because in the USA, we do stand, or at least the more knowledgeable listeners do. We do so to not because a king started it, but because of our love and respect for the music! I do have the Pinnock, along with the Gardiner, and recently added the Butt, which I rather like. Bought the Gardiner because at that time, it was a better recording, but it always felt "proper," and on the cooler side. Pinnock's, on the other hand, feels inspired and is the one I go to the most. An older recording that I loved was the old Colin Davis on Philips, which introduced some of the early period practices, and is sort of a forerunner to the HIP recordings. Davis had some great soloists.
@@keithwilcox6414 Thank you, Mr Wilcox, for your most informative reply to my question. I shall definitely have to listen to the range of recordings you suggest.
I lent it at my first year of university, I was 18, now I'm 40 and still waiting that it gets back... 😢
I KNOW Crispian! Shared a pint with him while he was here in the States for a Trumpet Guild Convention......He paid me a real compliment coming from such a fine trumpeter (on both modern and and period instruments).....he said to me..(I was timpanist)..."I can tell you are a real thumper!!"
Been my favourite since it came out.
Thank you for reminding us old farts that our judgement was not entirely.wrong, and remind younger music lovers that sometimes even an old HIP [ish] performance really is still worth the listen.
Best wishes from George
I love the Pinnock! I also love the outrageous, over the top third Beecham set with its larger than life re-orchestration and operatic forces. What spirit!
That dramatic well-upholstered Beecham performance is a great alternative when you need a break from some of the more scrawny period versions.
@@Tom-wf6ym Including a gong !!!!! As a cellist friend of mine said....Beecham had his big jokes as well as his subtle ones.....
Mr Hurwitz, Allergies can be truly miserable; I hope you feel better very soon! As always, many thanks for sharing your experience and expertise. With best wishes from Oxford.
Thank you so much, Dave. I also love the Pinnock recording and most of his soloists. I have to confess, though, that I do not enjoy counter-tenors, and I very much prefer hearing a bass sing "But Who May Abide." Consequently I often prefer older performances such as Boult's or Klemperer's (though Schwarzkopf leaves me cold). Not really old, but very enjoyable (at least for me) is Solti's recording.
Pinnock's recording is available!! The price is about 18$.
Dave, I hope you feel better - allergies are not pleasant. All the best to you and thank you for all your good reviews. Yes, Pinnock's rendition is so fresh and also deep.
Heathkit! Wow, I had forgotten about that. I used to love reading that catalog. I had a friend whose dad built his TV from Heathkit.
Yes! I haven't thought of Heathkit in years; what a different era! I feel old...
I was wondering if some of us old farts would catch that reference! You didn't disappoint!
@@DavesClassicalGuide
My father built a stereo amplifier from a Heathkit and I built a digital alarm clock for 8th grade electronics class. I saw some old Heathkit ham radio just a couple of weeks back at a swap meet. Some of us remember.
Thanks, Dave! Always interesting to listen to your recommendations. Again and again, you make me discover so much great music!
By the way, these days I've been listening to Antal Dorati's performance of Haydn's Armida. I was astonished by all the wonderful music which Haydn was able to create in the theatrical field and, knowing your love for Haydn, would you consider making some video about Dorati's cycle of Haydn operas? I find those recordings extremely interesting, as they deal with some of the most neglected parts of Haydn's musical production. And, wow, those operas are undeniably great, great music. Maybe you have already talked about it. If that's the case I'll just take a look.
Thanks again for all your work. Greetings from Spain!!
Pinnock vs Gardiner: no contest. Gardiner feels fine and dandy for a while until you realize he’s applying the Gardiner recipe again: every fast tempo feels the same and every slow one feels merely dutiful. Pinnock is alive to every feeling Handel had in his armory.
Personally, I have more difficulty to choose between both. I prefer the Alleluia chorus by Gardiner, because it begins softly and increases in intensity, giving a more "Handelian" effect, to my point of view. But Pinnock's casting is globally better.
You know, I actually have come to like the more recent John Butt and Dunedin Consort Messiah SACD. It is smaller in scale and slightly different as it is based on Hansel’s original Dublin version.
That is indeed quite a lovely recording! Between that one and Pinnock's one should feel 110% complete . ;) Though I have to also give a shout out to the BIG BAND sound of Thomas Beecham's. Maybe not a regular go-to choice, but definitely worth a whirl. :D
@@NN-df7hl Wow, to have a complete collection of a composition with only two recordings is a rarity in classical music. It is a hobby I find that will drive you broke monetarily but fulfill you spiritually!
Dave, on which criteria do you consider Pinnock's interpretation better than Gardiner's ? I have not made a detailed comparison, but I find both very similar and excellent, and I find it difficult to say that one is definitely better than the other.
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@@MDK2_Radio Yes, I heard it, but it is a mistake. Check yourself : Gardiner is on Philips, McGegan on Harmonia Mundi. It is McGegan who made a compilation of 10 different Messiah version.
I remember Heath kit! Not heard this recording yet. I shall check it out. But...where is Beecham😃
Where he belongs--in another video.
Does the audience stand for the Halleluja Chorus in the USA and elsewhere, or is it just a British 'thing'?
We used to stand for the Hallelujah Chorus in the USA, but that was back in the 1960's. I have no idea what people do now....
@@2leftfieldIn NYC, people stand
@@2leftfield Many thanks!
It is not just a British 'thing' because in the USA, we do stand, or at least the more knowledgeable listeners do. We do so to not because a king started it, but because of our love and respect for the music! I do have the Pinnock, along with the Gardiner, and recently added the Butt, which I rather like. Bought the Gardiner because at that time, it was a better recording, but it always felt "proper," and on the cooler side. Pinnock's, on the other hand, feels inspired and is the one I go to the most. An older recording that I loved was the old Colin Davis on Philips, which introduced some of the early period practices, and is sort of a forerunner to the HIP recordings. Davis had some great soloists.
@@keithwilcox6414 Thank you, Mr Wilcox, for your most informative reply to my question. I shall definitely have to listen to the range of recordings you suggest.