Whatever the truth (and I am highly skeptical) , I think it is totally inaccurate to equate the thylacine with the Loch Ness monster or the yeti. The latter two have never been known to exist whereas the thylacine was around on Tasmania within living human memory. P.S. - Don't let quolls go the same way!
yes! there have been some wildlife cams actualy showing the tasmanian tiger i think 3-4 years ago. (dont ask me for the source i´d just have to google too its too long ago)
'Yeti', via genetic testing of hair samples has been shown to be a type of Himalayan Bear, it eats Yaks, it's related to Brown and Polar Bears, it actually exists. You mean Big Foot, not Yeti.
'Yeti' exists, genetic testing of hair samples have shown it's a type of Himalayan Bear,, it's related to the Brown & Polar Bears and it eats Yaks. I think you mean Big Foot not Yeti. 🙂
Living in Tassie for years I've heard too many reports of Thylacine sightings from too many honest well known peers to doubt its extinction. My uncle would tell me of a farmer he knew as a boy who had a visiting Thylacine that would come & go that he would feed from time to time apparently the Thylacine would always smell & hear when someone unfamiliar was approaching to visit the farmer & would bolt off into the bush every time minutes before they arrived. I always thought this was pure fantasy an old rural tall tale but then again my uncle wasn't the lying fantasist type so who knows? He also told me that after being hunted to almost extinction the Thylacine has become extremely cautious & wary of humans to the point of steering clear of us or anything that has been covered in our scent & that they now live deep in the inaccessible Huon Valley one of the last untamed area's untouched by humanity.
@@antipodeanvagabond The southwest national park you troglodyte. You know that area of the valley thats completely protected & totally inaccessible in parts,you really think i meant the populated areas?God there's always one hyper specific dropkick that doesn't understand basic figures of speech that one has to explain to like they would a child. Lmao.
Film makers need to come to Western Australia. There have been many Thylacine sightings in our state's south west forests; especially around the town of Nannup.
I hope that Thylacines can be found, because it would be wonderful if the species could be brought back or resurrected (as they say). It's a tragic loss of that beautiful, unique species.
There is a scientific expedition currently under way at iron range in cape York. Local aborigines and national park rangers have witnessed these animals hunting after dark. James Cook university are putting night cameras everywhere and native trackers were also brought in. I hope they find a healthy population and then tell no one about it.
Did you yourself do it ? I didn't ! So collective guilt mongering is pointless. Did you exterminate the Jews. Obviously yes because of your collective guilt. Do you get my point ?
Saw one in Barrington Tops NSW, it blew me away. Its so true but that everyone who sees one kind of becomes thrilled and obsessed as you really have encountered something magical
9:27 First time I have picked up on a serious mistake in one of these episodes. The animal has been functionally extinct since the early 20th century, not for "thousands of years". For crying out loud, there is actual film footage of one in a zoo back in 1933.
There is the one that was killed in the late 50's too in Tasmania. Everyone seems to forget that one. That's probably the last best evidence of them. It's mentioned in Forrest Galante's documentary of his search for them, I believe it was either a photo or a pelt or both that was taken but I don't remember which.
Maybe they are alive somewhere deep in the wilderness, it may move up in the mountains away from civilization and such, and say eye witness account isn't good enough evidence but yet used in court cases, so yeah
A great book, by Robert Paddle, is well worth reading. Simply called, "The last Tasmanian Tiger". Was written by my science teacher, many years ago. Greetings from Dimboola in Victoria, Australia.
“Pickled pup” lol the artist guy also really made me laugh😂 the whole story is so sad though, I always feel gutted when I think about the fate of the thylozine.
I believe it still exists. Our country is massive, even in Tasmania, which is half the size of England, there are many places where they could be hiding.
I saw one about 15 years ago on my mums farm bordering qld nsw border. We lived right up the top of the mountain, bordering springbrook national Park, so pretty far from Byron hut same area. Only glimpsed it for a few seconds as I was walking down the hill to our cottage we lived in. It walked around the corner of the cottage and I couldn't find it once I got down there. I didn't have a clue what it was until I saw a picture of a Thylacine.. Exactly what I saw! :)
So has there ever been a study where people go out to a wilderness area and deploy 50 trail cameras for two weeks? I think it is at least somewhat more likely that some thylacines are roaming around, than say, big foot or Loch Ness monster.
You aren't telling that someone in the Victorian age clear up to the roaring twenties might not have taken a few from Tasmania and brought them back to Oz as a curiosity? I could certainly see that happening. I live in the midwest USA and we are constantly finding alligators in lakes and streams. They even had one show up in a drainage ditch along side the highway. I can remember when I was kid people around here thought manx cats were crossbred cats and rabbits, LOL.
There were/are an actual sub species that lived here on the mainland. Thylacine awareness group of Australia ua-cam.com/channels/bcXpHP0pvqVF9AhYz1k_EQ.html
the resent increased number of sightings on mainland could be linked to the erection of the dingo/rabbit fence, removing competition/predation . enabling a small un-noticed population to grow in number
Extinct doesn't mean eliminated; it means there have been too few reports of the species in the wild to anticipate its ability to reproduce and improve its numbers.
There is so much "nothing" country in Australia (i.e. unpopulated and unexplored) its entirely possible that a species that has existed in the past, may still be there. In New Zealand the Takahe is a good example of that.
I fully agree with that being from New Zealand personally, most people think oh such a small country but there is so much country here that hasn’t been explored and places that never will.
What a great doco this one was, i'm enjoying these productions from Shiver👍. I would hope that there still are Thylacines both in Tassie, and here on the mainland🤞.
We reckon about 1000 on the mainland, 1000 on Tassie. Totally nocturnal... And smell so intensely accute its ears DEVOLVED and it can even smell things from cross winds.
Not to mention 50yrs of total fear from Humans... Avoid Humans at all costs. Generational Memory... We are their major prey. Not Dingoes. We destroyed the very nature of a top predator :(
@@slicingsasquatch Its hard to know due to Scientific Negligence. But its heavily suggested Thylacine hunt smaller Marsupials exclusively. So small wombats, possums etc. This would place them well up into the hinterlands. And ironically also prove beyond a doubt we wiped this species out when 0 of them killed our livestock. Dingoes did... 😬
@@MiraSubieGirl agreed, lets hope they re populate and increase in numbers again. Also present are the large panthers cruising around the aussie bush. I have found panther/large cat scat on my journeys. Check out my vids.
In the 80s (yep lm old) l was listening to ABC Radio. They were interviewing an old Tasmanian woodcutter,who had one as a pet, if it started pacing the hut, this fella knew someone was coming..he'd put the Billy on & by the time it was starting to boil(8 to 10min), sure enuf some visitor would be walking up his path. My point is, anything that can tell(smell, sense whatever) that someones approaching 8min beforehand, has to be pretty elusive & cunning.
Saw them in Tasmania. It had started to rain and was coming in through the water resistant tent wall. So we broke camp early and were driving out of the camp area at 4AM when they crossed the road in front of us. They were following their hunting trails behind the movement of the rain, obviously for prey that comes out after its done raining.
Did I miss the part where he showed the picture of the thylacine someone sent him on his computer? I was very interested to see the photo but it seems to have been skipped over?
Going for a walkabout making a racket in the bush isnt going to work spotting a thylacine, it would be a better tactic to setup camera baited with guts
the tasmian tigers that survived learned to avoid humans in order to survive i kinda hope we will not find them but on the other hand we should find them to protect them better ... its difficult...
I don't mean any disrespect, but wouldn't it make more sense to concentrate their search efforts on Tasmania since the creature was actually documented there less than 100 years ago? I mean they're looking on the mainland where it's never been directly observed in modern history.
not to mention soo much time spent advertising byron bay .... i lived about 30mins away from bryon for 16yrs and never heard anything about tas tigers being in the area.
@@lyndonheard2319 Yes, I expected that doco to be about Tasmania, and when I heard Byron Bay, NSW, I went Huh? Maybe the radio DJ was meant to be the star.
It's a possibility that there may be several Thylacine families scattered throughout Tasmania and New South Wales--I hope that one day live specimens can be discovered, and prive the naysayers wrong. Or, they could be cloned from museum specimens. 🤔
Same theory on why "Aliens" almost always seem depicted as Homonids with fingers... Etc Covergent Evolutions "Peak" in many areas may be the same thing.
I think they're there; I think they got close to being wiped out, but clung on, so they never left. And I hope nobody finds them until their population levels are a lot better. If you showed me one, all I'd see is the landscape behind it. And that's all I'd ever see.
I just want to cry every time I see a picture of this magnificent beast, deliberately hunted to extinction, and I still hope (yes, in spite of all the evidence and logic to the contrary!) that they could possibly find a remote community which escaped the persecution. But in the first couple of minutes - a mix of dog, kangaroo and tiger!???!! Please! Maybe add "looks like" "or has features of "?? I find that sort of ridiculous statement totally offputting and credibility-ruining for any documentary.
@@mikkikas6821 Coelacanth is a sea creature, much, much easier to hide. Any other animal you'll mention that was thought extinct for a long time but then rediscovered was either very small, a bug or bird, lives in trees, or something like that. There hasnt been a damn apex predator, which wasnt even THAT shy when it was around, that could just disappear for 85 years in Tasmania without being roadkilled or leaving evidence of its continued existence
It's so unreasonable, unprofessional even, to state "they're here" when there's been no tangible evidence available to quantify their existence in the wild in 89 years.
@@hArtyTruffle C'mon. So when can you ever declare something extinct then? There are exceptions (coelecanths at the bottom of the abyss, and a night parrot in 10000,0000 square km's of spinifex desert), but not a carnivorous (top of the food chain) marsupial predator, with an absence (and someone saying they saw one is not proof) of over 80 odd years. Please forgive me for siding with the boffins with expertise in this subject. I'd like nothing better than to find one - but believe DNA cloning is our only chance of that.
hunted into extinction by 1940'S. it only takes ONE pregnant thylacine for the species to live on. i believe they are out there. i think they are a beautiful animal.
The tiger was most likely in decline on the mainland, with only small population pockets suriviving after settlement. The remaining few would have been poisoned, shot out and died naturally i recon. I grew up in prime tiger country up nth west tassie, and have the belief that they are still there, somewhere. I have read historical first hand accounts of them frequenting the camps of the local blackfealla's, and may have even cohabited with them from time to time. My grandfather was a ganger when the railway was cut through the scrub, ( the 1920s after the 1st ww i think it was), in the far north west of tassie. He would tell me yarns as a kid about how they were very placid, inquisitive and very cautious. They were a lovely animal even though they were very different looking to a dog. He told me they would follow the chuck wagon and after a time would eat meat thrown to them. Dear old Pa said there was nothing vicious about them, but european livestock was very easy pray for them, from chooks n ducks to sheep and young calves. When the bounty was introduced he said yu could earn more for tiger bounty than yu could cuttin wood. In the end they were shot out and exterminated in about 30 years, i read in one book, some 120/30 years in total after first settlement.
Wasn't there one up there in the northwest that was shot in the 60's but the guy didn't tell anyone until much later? He did however take a color photo of the dead thylacine and it was in one of these documentaries. I forget what one maybe it was Forrest Galante's documentary. Anyway I think that's the best most recent evidence and people seem to forget about him when making these shows.
Armchair expert Mike Archer has no idea. So detached from what hundreds of people from Tassie, NSW, SA, VIC have seen. Sooner or later there will be close up video and photos.
I remember reading about, and even watching a video about, scientists talking about cloning them. Whatever happened with that? There have been several different animals successfully cloned since at least 1984 that we know for sure about because they’ve been documented. I know they need genetic materials in order to do it, but I’m pretty sure I also read about them having at least some thylacine fetuses that were frozen, obviously, for preservation. If I recall, though, I think most of the successful clones that have been made were all incubated and grown inside another living animal of the same species, so not sure if it’s possible to clone animals without at least having one of the same species alive still to put the cells in to allow the cells to grow. It’d be pretty cool if it were possible. It’s a slippery slope, though, and humans would probably ruin it and abuse it if it were possible, but think of all the endangered populations we could possibly save and bring back from the brink of extinction.
I have heard different reports where the DNA was damaged or not in good enough cleanliness to be cloned. I think they have to merge different samples where they can get an intact one. So, that might be part of the problem that the DNA is not pristine enough to be able to allow cloning -- with our current level of technology.
There's only one known time of an extinct animal being cloned. Some kind of goat. It died 7 minutes after it was born, due to it being deformed. I find it hard to believe that they never tried again. Instead, I believe they continue trying to resurrect extinct animals, but they don't want the general public knowing they're bringing animals to life that are deformed and dying in a lab. Scientists wouldn't get so close and not continue trying.
Early 1970-73, sightings by my uncle at Kurrajong Heights NSW, and I saw tracks on his property when tracking for rabbits 🐇. National Parks and Wildlife, took castings of what looked like a family of 3. Neighbours 3 dogs chased after and 2 came back, one injured, found the other dead. My uncles dog would hide behind him when she saw it. My uncle was on his tractor and a large (? Male) thylacine darted across his narrow track. This and the dogs attacked next door prompted the call to National Parks.
Greetings from Western Australia. We have many sightings in our southern forests. Would love to know more of what happened with your Uncle's sightings.
The government in Tasmania at the time put the bounty on the tiger's head and they were hunted to extinction. The Indigenous people on the island of Tasmania were also wiped out by government. Some were rounded up and placed on small nearby islands where they died of disease. Ironically. The Tasmania government now uses the tiger as it's official logo.
The guy from the museum seems very closeminded and unwilling to accept any other possibility or opinion of anyone other than his own. That is not a good way to be at all.... Thank goodness not all of us think alike and some are willing to challenge what we are taught/led to believe and think/explore for ourselves
Well I disagree. I think it is a good way to be. The time to believe something is when there is evidence to believe it. It is not a good idea to just accept other people's opinions. Science isn't interested in opinion, it's interested in evidence, and that is a good thing.
If anyone bothered to consult the newspapers of the 19th century they would know how relatively few bounties were ever collected. The hunters honed their craft and learnt to catch them, but at no point in history were they being mowed down like gazelle. By all accounts the creature has always been elusive.
Been studying the TT For years, quite strictly for the past 3. Like most I really do hope they are alive somewhere, however looking at the whole situation unbiased and taking into account all the facts it really doesn’t seem possible. For me the biggest obstacles to get over are: No real proof since the last one died in captivity. Even if a small group did make it past 1936 when the last one in captivity died (I firmly believe a few did) for a species to survive the 50/500 rule states that at least 50 individuals is needed to stop inbreeding and 500 individuals is needed to reduce genetic drift. That’s a lot thylacines that have somehow gone undetected and the small group would of died out anyway. Even if your talking about 1982 (when they were officially declared extinct) that was 40 years ago and a TT life span was around 6 years (a very good age for one and that’s in captivity) No road kill of one in Tasmania which has the highest rate in Australia. With everyone having a phone and 100s of hunters and trail cameras in the Australian bush daily, still no one has been able to get any clear proof, not to mention the amount of studies, investigations and people who look for it full time. As far as the animal somehow becoming smart and associating humans with danger, well I’m pretty sure they don’t know about trail cameras and would of slipped up by now. The competition with wild dogs and dingoes for food. Also the fact that we have rediscovered extinct animals as small as bees and as big as dogs (singing dog in PNG) but not a thylacine which is arguably the most looked for Animal in Aus? Like I said I would love it if they where still alive but it just seems like very wishful thinking.
There's a few good videos, but people say they're foxes with mange and wounded legs. There's been 1000s of tracks found. There's 1000s of eyewitness statements. Honestly, there is a lot of proof that they are still out there.
Saw this doco and had to say that as a young teenager in the early seventies, living on the Gold Coast, we were on a drive to Byron and just North of there on the coast road near Cabarita, Ma had to pee, so we stopped. I clearly remember her coming back in a hurry after a minute or so, still fixing her clothes, saying she'd seen one of them things with the stripes on them and we said "A Tasmanian Tiger!! and she said "Yes" and swore to God. It scared her and ma didn't scare easy. Nor did she tell porkies. I believed her. And every time she saw it on Tv, etc she told that story. So hearing of sightings there, around Byron doesn't surprise me.
I grew up in Byron never seen rainforest in Byron let alone much wildlife....a swamp near the old piggery is about it....the Mullumbimby pot and mushrooms...you can see just about anything....
hi all... I I can tell you all now that the Tasmanian tiger is not extinct they are still out there me and my dad see them every time we go to a surtain lake in tas 👍👍👍👍
Hey Aussies, WTF does some burned-out hippy making cat cut-outs have to do with Thylacines? That guy looks more interested in firing up a joint than finding a Thylacine.....
Travelled down Bonang highway 1983.i encountered a large black beast that I later identified as a Thylacoleo. No proof but anything is possible in such a big country.
The bounty for killing a thylacine was about a day's pay for the average worker professional hunters were drawn in on stories of den discoveries leading to a week's pay in as long as it takes to shoot them .it definitely was what killed them.
At the 25:48 time stamp: Q. Why isn't there any photographic evidence she (Wendy Bethall) asks. Well, she was one (or did she see a yowie), of the people who saw it to but she didn't photograph it.
Yes yes yes we need to resurrect the Thylacine. Farmers can't keep killing off animals blaming them for their own hardships, when they themselves need to be responsible, to protect their animals with the appropriate fencing/sheds at night.
Please forgive my ignorance. Tasmanian Tiger as a name was new to me. Is this the same creature as the Tasmanian Devil (Hoping I haven't misremembered that?) which I do remember reading about as a child, or is this something completely different? Enjoyed this programme - well put together.
The tasmanian devil and the tasmanian tiger are 2 different animal. The devil is still "alive" even if at risk because of a infective cancer that i decimating the specie.
@@ilgattosaltoalluva Thanks for clarification. I knew of the 'Devil' but couldn't remember if it was extinct or not. We've got a lot to answer for, the numbers of species we've wiped out is verging on obscene! The history of man wiping out the passenger pigeon in just 50 years leaves me stunned! here's version: ua-cam.com/video/2zi2JjfLMmc/v-deo.html
Whatever the truth (and I am highly skeptical) , I think it is totally inaccurate to equate the thylacine with the Loch Ness monster or the yeti. The latter two have never been known to exist whereas the thylacine was around on Tasmania within living human memory. P.S. - Don't let quolls go the same way!
Gigantophitecus blacki and plesiosaur??? :)
yes! there have been some wildlife cams actualy showing the tasmanian tiger i think 3-4 years ago. (dont ask me for the source i´d just have to google too its too long ago)
'Yeti', via genetic testing of hair samples has been shown to be a type of Himalayan Bear, it eats Yaks, it's related to Brown and Polar Bears, it actually exists.
You mean Big Foot, not Yeti.
'Yeti' exists, genetic testing of hair samples have shown it's a type of Himalayan Bear,, it's related to the Brown & Polar Bears and it eats Yaks.
I think you mean Big Foot not Yeti.
🙂
Ive seen one also and its a good thing cause it means theyve survived. What else has survived? Such a tale of hope.
This is the coolest animal to ever exist. Even the name "Thylacine" is cool.
Sounds like a Pokémon haha
Living in Tassie for years I've heard too many reports of Thylacine sightings from too many honest well known peers to doubt its extinction. My uncle would tell me of a farmer he knew as a boy who had a visiting Thylacine that would come & go that he would feed from time to time apparently the Thylacine would always smell & hear when someone unfamiliar was approaching to visit the farmer & would bolt off into the bush every time minutes before they arrived. I always thought this was pure fantasy an old rural tall tale but then again my uncle wasn't the lying fantasist type so who knows? He also told me that after being hunted to almost extinction the Thylacine has become extremely cautious & wary of humans to the point of steering clear of us or anything that has been covered in our scent & that they now live deep in the inaccessible Huon Valley one of the last untamed area's untouched by humanity.
The Huon Valley untamed? LOL. That's a populated area full of farms and orchards!
@@antipodeanvagabond The southwest national park you troglodyte. You know that area of the valley thats completely protected & totally inaccessible in parts,you really think i meant the populated areas?God there's always one hyper specific dropkick that doesn't understand basic figures of speech that one has to explain to like they would a child. Lmao.
Interesting stuff - (You were great in Angel Heart bty)
I would well believe your uncle. You wouldn’t see one unless you see it first.👍
@@luiscypher1307 that's not the Huon Valley.
Film makers need to come to Western Australia. There have been many Thylacine sightings in our state's south west forests; especially around the town of Nannup.
Maybe the thylacine living there still, because they knew you are a virgin :D.
Thylacine awareness group Australia.
ua-cam.com/channels/bcXpHP0pvqVF9AhYz1k_EQ.html
Just no evidence ,all these sightings and not one pic or video ..odd ..
@@stephenfrench3888 I'd assume usually people don't have phones at the ready to take pictures of surprise shy animals in fairness
@@CalvesFanatic Odd assumption
I hope that Thylacines can be found, because it would be wonderful if the species could be brought back or resurrected (as they say). It's a tragic loss of that beautiful, unique species.
Your hope has been answered !! Australian government just granted 5 million dollars to resurrect them. The have full DNA maps to clone from now.
Not sure we deserve to ever see this animal. We decimated it once
3:44 just casually showing ghost activity. I like it.
😂😂😂
There is a scientific expedition currently under way at iron range in cape York. Local aborigines and national park rangers have witnessed these animals hunting after dark. James Cook university are putting night cameras everywhere and native trackers were also brought in. I hope they find a healthy population and then tell no one about it.
It would be criminal to keep this a secret.
@Sid Stevens unfortunately, you're probably right.
My heart breaks because of what we've done to the Tasmanian Tiger. Human beings should be ashamed.
Did you yourself do it ?
I didn't !
So collective guilt mongering is pointless.
Did you exterminate the Jews. Obviously yes because of your collective guilt.
Do you get my point ?
There numbers were few. Extinct on the mainland.
Saw one in Barrington Tops NSW, it blew me away. Its so true but that everyone who sees one kind of becomes thrilled and obsessed as you really have encountered something magical
9:27 First time I have picked up on a serious mistake in one of these episodes. The animal has been functionally extinct since the early 20th century, not for "thousands of years". For crying out loud, there is actual film footage of one in a zoo back in 1933.
@Lafe Denton You may be right. Probably are. The way it was phrased, though, made it sound inconsistent with the rest of the documentary.
StutleyConstable
Thousands of years on the main land!
Extinct on the mainland thousands of years ago
There is the one that was killed in the late 50's too in Tasmania. Everyone seems to forget that one. That's probably the last best evidence of them. It's mentioned in Forrest Galante's documentary of his search for them, I believe it was either a photo or a pelt or both that was taken but I don't remember which.
Maybe they are alive somewhere deep in the wilderness, it may move up in the mountains away from civilization and such, and say eye witness account isn't good enough evidence but yet used in court cases, so yeah
A great book, by Robert Paddle, is well worth reading. Simply called, "The last Tasmanian Tiger". Was written by my science teacher, many years ago. Greetings from Dimboola in Victoria, Australia.
“Pickled pup” lol the artist guy also really made me laugh😂 the whole story is so sad though, I always feel gutted when I think about the fate of the thylozine.
thylacine.. not thylazine
I believe it still exists. Our country is massive, even in Tasmania, which is half the size of England, there are many places where they could be hiding.
I saw one about 15 years ago on my mums farm bordering qld nsw border. We lived right up the top of the mountain, bordering springbrook national Park, so pretty far from Byron hut same area. Only glimpsed it for a few seconds as I was walking down the hill to our cottage we lived in. It walked around the corner of the cottage and I couldn't find it once I got down there. I didn't have a clue what it was until I saw a picture of a Thylacine.. Exactly what I saw! :)
So has there ever been a study where people go out to a wilderness area and deploy 50 trail cameras for two weeks? I think it is at least somewhat more likely that some thylacines are roaming around, than say, big foot or Loch Ness monster.
Clearly we know Thylacine existed, the others are just made up.
Tassie Tigers were real creatures. The rest are just made up to make people money or publicity.
If you've not already watched this is also another good docu on the Tassie Tiger.
ua-cam.com/video/q1-hPAZtzcc/v-deo.html
@@braxxianmy mate had a yowie encounter scared him bad changed his life forever for the worse and he has no money
You aren't telling that someone in the Victorian age clear up to the roaring twenties might not have taken a few from Tasmania and brought them back to Oz as a curiosity? I could certainly see that happening.
I live in the midwest USA and we are constantly finding alligators in lakes and streams. They even had one show up in a drainage ditch along side the highway. I can remember when I was kid people around here thought manx cats were crossbred cats and rabbits, LOL.
There were/are an actual sub species that lived here on the mainland. Thylacine awareness group of Australia ua-cam.com/channels/bcXpHP0pvqVF9AhYz1k_EQ.html
"Constant finding alligators in lakes and streams". No, that's not happening. I've lived in the Midwest for 35 years. You're full of it.
the ghost bat was once considered EXTINCT they are now endangered but they are still here
the resent increased number of sightings on mainland could be linked to the erection of the dingo/rabbit fence, removing competition/predation . enabling a small un-noticed population to grow in number
So scientists who declared the Tasmanian Tiger as extinct cannot be wrong? You will be surprised how receliant some animals are, especially predators.
Extinct doesn't mean eliminated; it means there have been too few reports of the species in the wild to anticipate its ability to reproduce and improve its numbers.
Resilient
There is so much "nothing" country in Australia (i.e. unpopulated and unexplored) its entirely possible that a species that has existed in the past, may still be there. In New Zealand the Takahe is a good example of that.
I fully agree with that being from New Zealand personally, most people think oh such a small country but there is so much country here that hasn’t been explored and places that never will.
3:00 A koala getting it's photo taken with Gary Opit. What a legend!
What a great doco this one was, i'm enjoying these productions from Shiver👍. I would hope that there still are Thylacines both in Tassie, and here on the mainland🤞.
We reckon about 1000 on the mainland, 1000 on Tassie.
Totally nocturnal... And smell so intensely accute its ears DEVOLVED and it can even smell things from cross winds.
Not to mention 50yrs of total fear from Humans... Avoid Humans at all costs.
Generational Memory... We are their major prey. Not Dingoes. We destroyed the very nature of a top predator :(
@@MiraSubieGirl and i hope they are working their way up the eastern coastline. Maybe i'll get one on my trail cam one day🙏😁.
Thanks for the reply🙂
@@slicingsasquatch Its hard to know due to Scientific Negligence.
But its heavily suggested Thylacine hunt smaller Marsupials exclusively. So small wombats, possums etc.
This would place them well up into the hinterlands.
And ironically also prove beyond a doubt we wiped this species out when 0 of them killed our livestock.
Dingoes did... 😬
@@MiraSubieGirl agreed, lets hope they re populate and increase in numbers again. Also present are the large panthers cruising around the aussie bush. I have found panther/large cat scat on my journeys. Check out my vids.
Ancient Australian call for locating someone in the forest..
"Where the f*ck are ya ?".
In the 80s (yep lm old) l was listening to ABC Radio. They were interviewing an old Tasmanian woodcutter,who had one as a pet, if it started pacing the hut, this fella knew someone was coming..he'd put the Billy on & by the time it was starting to boil(8 to 10min), sure enuf some visitor would be walking up his path.
My point is, anything that can tell(smell, sense whatever) that someones approaching 8min beforehand, has to be pretty elusive & cunning.
I believe they are still around. Low population, but out there. Australia is a massive place.
Saw them in Tasmania. It had started to rain and was coming in through the water resistant tent wall. So we broke camp early and were driving out of the camp area at 4AM when they crossed the road in front of us. They were following their hunting trails behind the movement of the rain, obviously for prey that comes out after its done raining.
Not to mention that Australia is mostly not inhabited most of the Australian population live in one part of Australia
Plus Tasmania has enough land to support a small population
@@SMunro hi bro are you serious that it's a thylacine and if you're as i wish then Can you show me the pictures please and Thanks
@@ithanartist4404 no pics, just memories,
Did I miss the part where he showed the picture of the thylacine someone sent him on his computer? I was very interested to see the photo but it seems to have been skipped over?
No you didn't miss it, wasn't shown 😕
Sometimes the editing on these shows is dodgy. I waited for the picture, too. Oh well.
28:40
There's a shot of one at that time stamp
google ray harvey thylacine
@@ev02791 that's a stuffed tiger
These shiver documentaries are some of the best cryptozoology documentaries I’ve ever seen
Going for a walkabout making a racket in the bush isnt going to work spotting a thylacine, it would be a better tactic to setup camera baited with guts
I’ve seen live footage of something that looked just like a Thylacine. Is that newer than this? Oh yeah - that guy thinks flying saucers aren’t real.
He’s a shmuck. Scientists that never go anywhere are the ones that limit themselves to the status quo.
the tasmian tigers that survived learned to avoid humans in order to survive i kinda hope we will not find them but on the other hand we should find them to protect them better ... its difficult...
100% agreed. I hope they are surviving on their own and we never find it
good friend was a log truck driver says he saw one middle of the night 1975 north of st helens and I believe him 100%
he didnt talk BS
Why does the narrator say Thalacine... when Australians and especially us Tasmanians KNOW it's said Thy-la-scene
Neat little advert for Byron bay
I don't mean any disrespect, but wouldn't it make more sense to concentrate their search efforts on Tasmania since the creature was actually documented there less than 100 years ago? I mean they're looking on the mainland where it's never been directly observed in modern history.
not to mention soo much time spent advertising byron bay .... i lived about 30mins away from bryon for 16yrs and never heard anything about tas tigers being in the area.
@@lyndonheard2319 Yes, I expected that doco to be about Tasmania, and when I heard Byron Bay, NSW, I went Huh? Maybe the radio DJ was meant to be the star.
It's a possibility that there may be several Thylacine families scattered throughout Tasmania and New South Wales--I hope that one day live specimens can be discovered, and prive the naysayers wrong.
Or, they could be cloned from museum specimens. 🤔
The Thylacine was officially declared extinct in 1986 not 1936 as stated at around 9.30 !
The animal was extinct from the main land for 4,000 years not all together.... They survived on Tasmania up u till the 1930's
Paranormal activity at 3:43 perhaps? The book doesn't just fall, it sort of slides out a bit and then falls...
its interesting that it evolved to look pretty much like a wolf, even if its a marsupial.
Form follows function.
Same theory on why "Aliens" almost always seem depicted as Homonids with fingers... Etc
Covergent Evolutions "Peak" in many areas may be the same thing.
@@MiraSubieGirl Well that's just because that interpretation became popular in pop-culture, but yes, most likely humanoid
I think they're there; I think they got close to being wiped out, but clung on, so they never left. And I hope nobody finds them until their population levels are a lot better. If you showed me one, all I'd see is the landscape behind it. And that's all I'd ever see.
This paper fell from the shelf, it was the australian poltergeist. Ganz schön gruselig...
I just want to cry every time I see a picture of this magnificent beast, deliberately hunted to extinction, and I still hope (yes, in spite of all the evidence and logic to the contrary!) that they could possibly find a remote community which escaped the persecution. But in the first couple of minutes - a mix of dog, kangaroo and tiger!???!! Please! Maybe add "looks like" "or has features of "?? I find that sort of ridiculous statement totally offputting and credibility-ruining for any documentary.
Remember the Coelacanth!!❤
@@mikkikas6821 Coelacanth is a sea creature, much, much easier to hide. Any other animal you'll mention that was thought extinct for a long time but then rediscovered was either very small, a bug or bird, lives in trees, or something like that. There hasnt been a damn apex predator, which wasnt even THAT shy when it was around, that could just disappear for 85 years in Tasmania without being roadkilled or leaving evidence of its continued existence
They are related to marupial possums.
about as much chance of the Tasmanian tiger being alive as there is of bigfoot kicking around
@@SMunro They're actually related to the numbat, not possums, although the stripes (of the numbat) are thought to be just a coincidence.
It’s so unreasonable, unprofessional even, to state “‘they’re gone” just because there’s no tangible evidence available to quantify.
It's so unreasonable, unprofessional even, to state "they're here" when there's been no tangible evidence available to quantify their existence in the wild in 89 years.
@@darrenmonks4532 Absolutely! Fact is, they have no idea. Neither stance is an ok position to take, especially from a scientist.
@@hArtyTruffle C'mon. So
when can you ever declare something extinct then? There are exceptions (coelecanths at the bottom of the abyss, and a night parrot in 10000,0000 square km's of spinifex desert), but not a carnivorous (top of the food chain) marsupial predator, with an absence (and someone saying they saw one is not proof) of over 80 odd years. Please forgive me for siding with the boffins with expertise in this subject. I'd like nothing better than to find one - but believe DNA cloning is our only chance of that.
@@darrenmonks4532 Well, one can declare a species extinct if one so wishes, but that doesn’t necessarily equate with “‘they’re gone”.
hunted into extinction by 1940'S. it only takes ONE pregnant thylacine for the species to live on. i believe they are out there. i think they are a beautiful animal.
Who else caught that book falling off the shelf at 3:45
The tiger was most likely in decline on the mainland, with only small population pockets suriviving after settlement.
The remaining few would have been poisoned, shot out and died naturally i recon.
I grew up in prime tiger country up nth west tassie, and have the belief that they are still there, somewhere.
I have read historical first hand accounts of them frequenting the camps of the local blackfealla's, and may have even cohabited with them from time to time.
My grandfather was a ganger when the railway was cut through the scrub, ( the 1920s after the 1st ww i think it was), in the far north west of tassie.
He would tell me yarns as a kid about how they were very placid, inquisitive and very cautious. They were a lovely animal even though they were very different looking to a dog.
He told me they would follow the chuck wagon and after a time would eat meat thrown to them.
Dear old Pa said there was nothing vicious about them, but european livestock was very easy pray for them, from chooks n ducks to sheep and young calves.
When the bounty was introduced he said yu could earn more for tiger bounty than yu could cuttin wood.
In the end they were shot out and exterminated in about 30 years, i read in one book, some 120/30 years in total after first settlement.
Wasn't there one up there in the northwest that was shot in the 60's but the guy didn't tell anyone until much later? He did however take a color photo of the dead thylacine and it was in one of these documentaries. I forget what one maybe it was Forrest Galante's documentary. Anyway I think that's the best most recent evidence and people seem to forget about him when making these shows.
@@KurtOnoIR i remember a forestry worker saw one down savage river in the 80's i think it was.
Armchair expert Mike Archer has no idea. So detached from what hundreds of people from Tassie, NSW, SA, VIC have seen. Sooner or later there will be close up video and photos.
If it can live in captivity, I fully believe it would thrive in the wild but be hard to find.
No photographic evidence? Really? There are plenty on the internet. The 1973 video is the best proof of thylacines still living in mainland australia.
the 1973 video is the best evidence it survived until then. Its a Thylacine 100%. But is it still alive today. Not sure.
It looked like a mongrel dog to me???
@@alanbrown4703 Mongrel dog that moves like a marsupial with stripes?
I remember reading about, and even watching a video about, scientists talking about cloning them. Whatever happened with that? There have been several different animals successfully cloned since at least 1984 that we know for sure about because they’ve been documented. I know they need genetic materials in order to do it, but I’m pretty sure I also read about them having at least some thylacine fetuses that were frozen, obviously, for preservation. If I recall, though, I think most of the successful clones that have been made were all incubated and grown inside another living animal of the same species, so not sure if it’s possible to clone animals without at least having one of the same species alive still to put the cells in to allow the cells to grow. It’d be pretty cool if it were possible. It’s a slippery slope, though, and humans would probably ruin it and abuse it if it were possible, but think of all the endangered populations we could possibly save and bring back from the brink of extinction.
I have heard different reports where the DNA was damaged or not in good enough cleanliness to be cloned. I think they have to merge different samples where they can get an intact one. So, that might be part of the problem that the DNA is not pristine enough to be able to allow cloning -- with our current level of technology.
@@PoeLemic Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking is most likely the reason. Would be very cool to see this tech developed in our lifetime.
"Humans would probably ruin it and abuse it"
Seriously ?
What a morbid, negative attitude you must have !
@@sidstevens9035 Sorry the truth offends you.
There's only one known time of an extinct animal being cloned. Some kind of goat. It died 7 minutes after it was born, due to it being deformed. I find it hard to believe that they never tried again. Instead, I believe they continue trying to resurrect extinct animals, but they don't want the general public knowing they're bringing animals to life that are deformed and dying in a lab. Scientists wouldn't get so close and not continue trying.
An old timber cutter told me a couple of them had seen a few of them. He had no reason to lie or tell tall stories
Love how there’s stuff falling over and being bumped over in almost every shot of the cryptozoologist guys 😂
Early 1970-73, sightings by my uncle at Kurrajong Heights NSW, and I saw tracks on his property when tracking for rabbits 🐇.
National Parks and Wildlife, took castings of what looked like a family of 3. Neighbours 3 dogs chased after and 2 came back, one injured, found the other dead. My uncles dog would hide behind him when she saw it. My uncle was on his tractor and a large (? Male) thylacine darted across his narrow track. This and the dogs attacked next door prompted the call to National Parks.
Greetings from Western Australia. We have many sightings in our southern forests. Would love to know more of what happened with your Uncle's sightings.
What area of kurrajong Heights thanks the burralow trail ?
I wish we could one day bring back the ivory billed woodpecker or the Caspian or Javan tiger
Wendy makes an excellent point: with modern cell phones ,why no pictures?
YES - BRING THEM BACK.
I'm sure Bruce sees all kinds of things that others don't.
3:44 what was that?!?!
Right
Ghost Thylacine...
@@dingodundee1212 hahahhaha maybe
Poltegeist action. Proves there is a ghost in the house.
Right. And at 6:50, he almost knocks his bowl over lol
Oh they're still around. I know because I've seen one. That's why my username is Thylacina.
@Night Lock same place you find a unicorn
@AceOfHearts no thanks 😂
@AceOfHearts It is extinct : period!
Same.
At 3:44 , poltergeist in action..
The government in Tasmania at the time put the bounty on the tiger's head and they were hunted to extinction. The Indigenous people on the island of Tasmania were also wiped out by government. Some were rounded up and placed on small nearby islands where they died of disease. Ironically. The Tasmania government now uses the tiger as it's official logo.
3:44 are we all just going to ignore that!?
Yes, yes we are.
Creepy
Fair enough
Oh no, I noticed!
At the beginning of the video that magazine move and drop from the top shelf ?????.
I know, i had to go back and watch it a few times, i was expecting an animal to appear. But maybe Gary has a resident poltergeist👻.
Anyone interested in this subject should check out The Last Hunter, starring Willem Dafoe. Beautiful, haunting movie set and filmed in Tasmania.
Great video enjoyed it x
The guy from the museum seems very closeminded and unwilling to accept any other possibility or opinion of anyone other than his own. That is not a good way to be at all.... Thank goodness not all of us think alike and some are willing to challenge what we are taught/led to believe and think/explore for ourselves
Well I disagree. I think it is a good way to be. The time to believe something is when there is evidence to believe it. It is not a good idea to just accept other people's opinions. Science isn't interested in opinion, it's interested in evidence, and that is a good thing.
If anyone bothered to consult the newspapers of the 19th century they would know how relatively few bounties were ever collected. The hunters honed their craft and learnt to catch them, but at no point in history were they being mowed down like gazelle. By all accounts the creature has always been elusive.
Been studying the TT For years, quite strictly for the past 3.
Like most I really do hope they are alive somewhere, however looking at the whole situation unbiased and taking into account all the facts it really doesn’t seem possible.
For me the biggest obstacles to get over are:
No real proof since the last one died in captivity.
Even if a small group did make it past 1936 when the last one in captivity died (I firmly believe a few did)
for a species to survive the 50/500 rule states that at least 50 individuals is needed to stop inbreeding and 500 individuals is needed to reduce genetic drift.
That’s a lot thylacines that have somehow gone undetected and the small group would of died out anyway.
Even if your talking about 1982 (when they were officially declared extinct) that was 40 years ago and a TT life span was around 6 years (a very good age for one and that’s in captivity)
No road kill of one in Tasmania which has the highest rate in Australia.
With everyone having a phone and 100s of hunters and trail cameras in the Australian bush daily, still no one has been able to get any clear proof, not to mention the amount of studies, investigations and people who look for it full time.
As far as the animal somehow becoming smart and associating humans with danger, well I’m pretty sure they don’t know about trail cameras and would of slipped up by now.
The competition with wild dogs and dingoes for food.
Also the fact that we have rediscovered extinct animals as small as bees and as big as dogs (singing dog in PNG) but not a thylacine which is arguably the most looked for Animal in Aus?
Like I said I would love it if they where still alive but it just seems like very wishful thinking.
There's a few good videos, but people say they're foxes with mange and wounded legs. There's been 1000s of tracks found. There's 1000s of eyewitness statements. Honestly, there is a lot of proof that they are still out there.
Papua New Guinea is the place to look
damn that flyer saucer comment didnt age very well did it?
Definitely not but the feral human plague needs serious attention.
4th generation local speaking up on the transient broke criminal elements
An animal that steers well clear of humans? smartest animal alive.
At 5:40 , what has Byron Bay got to do with Thylacine.
The thylacine is not across between a tiger or anything else, it is an animal all on its own.
Saw this doco and had to say that as a young teenager in the early seventies, living on the Gold Coast, we were on a drive to Byron and just North of there on the coast road near Cabarita, Ma had to pee, so we stopped. I clearly remember her coming back in a hurry after a minute or so, still fixing her clothes, saying she'd seen one of them things with the stripes on them and we said "A Tasmanian Tiger!! and she said "Yes" and swore to God. It scared her and ma didn't scare easy. Nor did she tell porkies. I believed her. And every time she saw it on Tv, etc she told that story. So hearing of sightings there, around Byron doesn't surprise me.
I grew up in Byron never seen rainforest in Byron let alone much wildlife....a swamp near the old piggery is about it....the Mullumbimby pot and mushrooms...you can see just about anything....
Extinct 4000 years ago? Come on do your research.
4000 years ago on the Australian mainland, idk if ur Aussie or not but Tasmania isn’t apart of our main island, do ur research
Just gonna stroll past that small magazine falling off the shelf? Even zoomed out for it.
hi all... I I can tell you all now that the Tasmanian tiger is not extinct they are still out there me and my dad see them every time we go to a surtain lake in tas 👍👍👍👍
its 2020 film it or your lying
Tina Poulton - you don’t do Tasmania any favours with your spelling
Are you surtain?
@@bronxcheer1484 It's probably just what accidentally printed wrong. I know that it happens a lot trying to type on cellphones.
However I agree. Get photographic proof. But don't reveal the location if you are telling the truth.
How can I have it disappeared 4000 years ago when they were in captivity in the 1920s?
@@pluffer96 yes, he was referring to the mainland only when he said that.
Hey Aussies, WTF does some burned-out hippy making cat cut-outs have to do with Thylacines? That guy looks more interested in firing up a joint than finding a Thylacine.....
Travelled down Bonang highway 1983.i encountered a large black beast that I later identified as a Thylacoleo. No proof but anything is possible in such a big country.
Small nitpick, the rainforests near Byron are subtropical.
I for one will celebrate. If one is proved to still be around. And less ashamed that us humans are responsible for there extinction it would be nice.
Either this woman is very cleverly advertising her nighttime jungle tours, or she actually saw something really unexplainable.
Who else thinks the palaeontologist overseas is the older version of Sheldon 😂
The footprints shown at around the 20min mark are NOT thylacine. Tigers have five digit prints with the 5th one being way low, like a thumb.
Everything I've heard about Adelaide makes me sketched. Yet I'm from America. Books a ticket!
Great stuff!!! :)
The bounty for killing a thylacine was about a day's pay for the average worker professional hunters were drawn in on stories of den discoveries leading to a week's pay in as long as it takes to shoot them .it definitely was what killed them.
I have no doubt that they still exist !!!!!!!!!
This place is famous, its were they film the tv show Home and Away
Thylacine have 5 digits not 4 as in those casts. How can an "expert" not know this???
Hi Karen. So beautiful!
At the 25:48 time stamp: Q. Why isn't there any photographic evidence she (Wendy Bethall) asks. Well, she was one (or did she see a yowie), of the people who saw it to but she didn't photograph it.
Rradio carbon dating is not as reliable as its clamed to be... but bringin the tasmanien tiger back with cloning should be attempted lets try...
Need to bring them back to take care of the cat problem
Meanwhile countless species are going still going extinct...
I know. …. It’s all quite upsetting. Look at the polar bear
Yes yes yes we need to resurrect the Thylacine. Farmers can't keep killing off animals blaming them for their own hardships, when they themselves need to be responsible, to protect their animals with the appropriate fencing/sheds at night.
A freaking men!,!
Please forgive my ignorance. Tasmanian Tiger as a name was new to me. Is this the same creature as the Tasmanian Devil (Hoping I haven't misremembered that?) which I do remember reading about as a child, or is this something completely different? Enjoyed this programme - well put together.
The tasmanian devil and the tasmanian tiger are 2 different animal. The devil is still "alive" even if at risk because of a infective cancer that i decimating the specie.
@@ilgattosaltoalluva Thanks for clarification. I knew of the 'Devil' but couldn't remember if it was extinct or not. We've got a lot to answer for, the numbers of species we've wiped out is verging on obscene! The history of man wiping out the passenger pigeon in just 50 years leaves me stunned! here's version: ua-cam.com/video/2zi2JjfLMmc/v-deo.html
No. Two totally different animals. Sadly the Tasmanian devil is in trouble too