You NEED A FRAME for you Maxxair Fan - Here's WHY...
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- Опубліковано 29 лют 2020
- You need to install a frame for your Maxxair Fan! We explain why it is vital you have a fan frame in for your maxxiar fan, what size maxxair fan frame you need to build, and how to build a fan frame for your van conversion ventilation fan.
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Yous guys have same fan as me which confused me also.so thanks for going into detail about it
Really good thorough work. Like the lap joint on the timber fan frame. Never seem van builders use this joint in their vans. Great video.
Thanks 🙂 It was our first lap joint, would love to have some power tools next time as it took a fair while by hand, and it will be straighter - it did the job though 😁
@@FreedomStrider thanks for reply. i think you did a really good job. Any gaps in the joint can be filled in by using sawdust mixed with PVA wood glue and sanded when cured. PVA is the best adhesive for joining timber and is cheap if you buy it from Poundland.
Really good info here guys, thanks for sharing. We're going to need to instal one of these soon and I do not like doing things like this so this will be really helpful :-)
Glad to help 😀 - it can look like a blah task, but on a sunny day it's not too bad - just need to time the hole cutting to dodge any pesky rain. I think your roof is flat? - That should make it a bit easier too. Let us know how it goes or if you need more help.
So neat for something that will probably never be seen again. Love the hacksaw.😂 I didn't screw my fan to the roof, I just glued it on. I don't think it's ever coming off. I glued my solar on and outside side door light strip. So I've only drilled two holes in the roof. Solar cables and a tiny hole for the outside LED light strip. I think there will be more holes.👍
We were actually discussing that fact today of do you really need to screw it on? We've sealed it up good so nothing is getting through but still, every hole has me worried 😬
That being said, holes are fun to drill and cut in the van 😂
@@FreedomStrider You have to cut for vents and windows, but I would avoid drilling holes where possible. Every hold is an h2o opportunity. If you use a very good glue, I don't see a problem. If you use mastic, then you must screw it down. There is no right way, but there are things that can become a problem in the future. When I got my 250w 3mm thick solar panel, I had a choice of cables out the top and into the van or a box on the underside of the panel which you cut a cigarette packet sized hole so this little box sits inside the roof space where the insulation is. I followed convention and went for cables on the outside that go back in. This is a major regret. The box in the roof would have looked so much neater. But that's life. There are two of you and that's good to bounce ideas off each other.
@@CarlJones14 sealant... Not glue
@@votesudanusa oh dear, you glue thing on, it's stuck on. I think you need to sort yourself out. Huge numbers of self builders drill and screw things to their van roof and they have leaks. It's important to get over the idea that gluing works. Sikaflex is an adhesive, which is a glue.
@@CarlJones14 Apparently, either you can't read, don't read or have issues with comprehension. Silkaflex IS A SEALANT and a sealant is not GLUE per SE. It's a polyurethane sealant that can also be adhered to surfaces. The properties of a sealant are far different than that of something that is just glue.
New subscriber here 👍 will be ordering my Maxxair fan soon so this was a very useful upload.
Great to have you here in our community! If you can, get the Maxxair fan when it's on sale online or at a campervan show or something that's usually the best way to get the best price 🤞
@@FreedomStrider I thought that would be the case at the campervan show at the N.e.c Birmingham but they were still sitting at around the £300 mark. Where did you purchase your one from?
We bought it from Jackson leisure for £300, delivery was £5.90 - you can get certain modles for £250 but you might not get a remote, also sometimes certain colour lids are cheaper but we rarely saw them on offer when we were looking. Worst comes to worst you pay £300, we got tired of waiting so just bought it at full price.
Great thank you
great video, love it....
the difference between the 2 sizes apparently has to do with the ""contours" of some vans have a smaller designed areas than others for fans/skylights, hence the 2 size differences but same fan...... smaller size frame for the smaller designated area and larger for larger areas... i am guessing it has to do with the integrity/ support/ strengthening on vans roofs
Glad you liked it 😊
I don't really know why there are 2 different sizes, you might be right, with vans being so different it would make sense 👍
Great video guys, I've just come across your channel and I love how detailed and thorough your video guides are. I will be studying them in depth over the coming weeks! I would like to add my 2 cents to the 355 vs 400mm hole problem. I just watched Greg Virgoe install his Maxxair fan and he had a 355mm existing hole from his former "fantastic fan" so the ribs of the inner box of the maxxair fan frame will cut into the mastic sealant strip. That leaves the outer plastic part of the frame where the screws go in, empty so that when you screw into the metal the plastic edge of the frame ends up completely flush against the metal roof, needing less Sikaflex sealant to go around the rim (because it doesn't have to contend with the raised mastic strip). However, if there are ribs from the metal roof in the way, that might pose a bit of an issue as the plastic frame might bend significantly. I've seen other people actually cut into these ribs with an angle grinder to get them out of the way. Using this method you would still have to make the wooden frame 400mm though to line up with the screws underneath as you said. All in all, great video and made me think!!
It's almost as though they aren't designed to be installed on van roofs?! I mean, they are designed for completely flat roofs, I believe Fiats, Citreons and Peugeot vans have a dedicated area at the back for roof fans to be installed, but if you have ribs in the way, it makes everything 10x harder and it just comes down to improvisation a little (or a lot). Having done the research, although the frame itself always will need to be 400mm square, the hole size could be either and still work, but it did confuse us quite a bit at the beginning. 😆
@@FreedomStrider Yes you'd think that since so many people are getting into van life these days, they would amend their design to include solutions for various van roof topography. Out of curiosity, did you consider using a larger piece of wood for the ceiling frame? For example, Wickes has wooden studs that are 38mm x 63mm, which would be wide enough to reach the screw holes and deep enough for the 25mm requirement for the screws...
Yes!!! Considering the price, the instructions are totally pants!!
Agreed, it's not entirely clear what you meant to do at all!
Nice video! Just bought my Maxxfan so good to see what the difference actually is with the 400mm vs 355! I did wonder! Now I know. Is there any reason you chose the lap joint over a standard 45 degree join?
It was really just an experiment we wanted to test our abilities out and see how it would turn out 😂
We have another frame to do without custom skylight, we have the mitre saw to do a standard 45° joint, so we might do it there #i guess we'll see 😊
This is a poor video. Can't real understand what you mean. You're all over the place. What would have been helpful for the novice would have attached the frame to the bottom to demonstrate. Just not a good video
+1.. very bad instructions.. thanks for covering this.
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That was way too much work for a simple wooden frame.
We all go through the process of learning 👍
You are incorrect about needing a frame. Sheet metal screws have been holding parts on cars since the beginning of time.
Metal screw can hold it, but we are correct about the frame for the Maxxfan - The instrction manual states that a frame is need if fan is installed on a surface thinner than 25mm... and the van metal is 1-1.5mm think
I would trust just screwing the fan to the metal sheet if the caravan was stationery, not leaving that spot. But as you travel with your campervan on bumpy roads in time screws can get loose. In the metal sheet you only have 1 mm thread. (With paint at both sides my Ford Transit has a 0.95mm roof thickness; I measured it with a Mitutoyo vernier.) .. Even the Maxxfan manual recommends it: “If your thickness is less than 25 mm, build additional thickness at the ceiling opening using wood or other suitable material.”
A frame is highly recommended for the following reason. The intent is to install the fan permanently and leak free. To seal the fan (polymer) to the roof the majority use either butyl tape, an adapter and or some sort of semi-soft sealant. All of these materials are subject to potential creep and cracking over time given the environmental conditions on the roof.
The thickness of the roof is ~1/20" (18 gauge) so a sheet metal screw will have about 1 thread to resist the vibration of the fan motor, wind flutter and opening and closing. The frame distributes the load and provides depth for the faster threads. The fan may not leak for a period without a frame but that time period will be much longer (years) if a frame is installed properly.