You can hear echoes of this work in many of Mozart's E-flat Major compositions. The opening motif is an ancestor of Mozart's opening themes in the Piano Concertos 14 and 22 as well as the Sinfonia Concertante. It was also common for Mozart to use C minor for the slow movement of E-flat Major works as Abel does here. Other elements of this work that Mozart used extensively later on include independence in the wind band and use of the dotted eighth to create a "twinkle" effect. (Used, for example, in the Andante of Symphony 40 and Allegretto of String Quartet 23).
The so-called Symphony No. 3 in E-flat major, K. 18, once attributed to Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, is by today's scholarship considered not to be Mozart's own work but instead that of Carl Friedrich Abel, a leading German composer of the earlier Classical period.It was misattributed to Mozart because a manuscript score in the hand of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, was categorized as his Symphony No. 3 in E flat, K. 18, and was published as such in the first complete edition of Mozart's works by Breitkopf & Härtel. Later, it was discovered that this symphony was actually the work of Abel, copied by the boy Mozart (evidently for study purposes) while he was visiting London in 1764. That symphony was originally published as the concluding work in Abel's Six Symphonies, Op. 7. However, Mozart's copy differs from Abel's published score in that Mozart "substituted clarinets for the printed oboe parts. WIKIPEDIA
I am listening to this Symphony for the very first time. Without the slightest doubt, and I know Mozart very well, this is NOT by Mozart, except the addition of the winds. The music totally lacks Mozart‘s exceptional and uncomparable spontaneous though very well constructed musical style. It reminds me on Carl Stamitz. Not even C. P. E. Bach was so „classic bsroque“ like this peace. Listen to Mozart‘s opera „Apollo er Hyazinthus“, composed at the age of 11, quite the same time. Totally different, frech, full of unexpected Genius Mozart. The clarinetts, though, are by Mozart, too good.
I have never heard this symphony before. I find it interesting that there is a short musical phrase that is also heard in Mozart symphonia concertante , which is (coincindentally) in Eb.
This was a study tool by Mozart. Transcribing works by other composers, even today, is a great way to learn. Hence, Mozart took Abel's work and copied it to learn, changing the oboes to clarinets. So this is definitely Abel's work. So, yes, the title should be changed, but I am not severely bothered by it.
This symphony, especially the Andante, gives us a good idea why Wolfgang respected Abel. It was music to his heart. In the very beginning at 12:09 you can hear a snippet Mozart used in his Sinfonia Concertante.
Thank you for sharing this masterpiece with the world! I will be dead and forgotten in a few years, but this sublime composition will be appreciated until the end. Make it go viral, send it to your loved ones, play it on your next birthday party, dance with your dog listening to this... Whoever composed this, you can have me!
According to the Poster's notes above: "Spurious. Composed by Carl Friedrich Abel (WK 18) and published as his Op. 7 No. 6 in 1765. Mozart copied the symphony and replaced the oboes by clarinets (version heard here with clarinets)." I stand by my original statement.
The first theme from the second movement is strikingly similar to a sinfonia concertante work by Johann christian Bach - c44 I believe. Abel I such a fascinating composer. This in particular is a superb work, one which I will not forget. And a thanks to the uploader. I've noticed you have uploaded an extensive amount of Johann Christians' chamber music this week. Many thanks to you :)
I am so glad that the painters at that time made the portraits of these important people so we can see how they looked like. Mozart had a enormous head. That's why....
This is Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's "cover" I like to think, of Carl Friedrich Abel's sixth symphony. Though there wasn't really a copyright infringement law then.
@@resonantdave But he changed the oboes to clarinets. Mozart copied it to study, not to make it his own. So don't try to say that Mozart was trying to do something illegal.
About 1:50 of the opening movement, this dives into a riff that makes me want to hear more Abel. Thank you, Aurelio Salvador, for the explanation of Number 3.
During Mozart's stay in London from the ages of seven and a half to almost nine, he became friends with Johann Christian Bach. Abel was Bach's business partner in London, and young Mozart copied this work in 1764, about a year before it was even published, so he probably got the score from Abel or Bach so he could study it. Mozart's first symphonies seem to indicate that he studied a set of J. C. Bach's symphonies written about the time he was in London too.
@@Keaton.Robert The Bach that died in 1750 was Johann Sebastian Bach. We're talking about Johann Christian Bach, JS Bach's youngest son (1735-1782). The older Bach had three other sons who were composers and whose music is often recorded: Wilhelm Friedeman Bach, Carl Phillip Emmanuel Bach, and Johann Christoph Friedrich Bach. The Bach family was very large and there many composers with that name.
Effectivement à aucun moment on ne reconnaît la patte de Mozart, ni dans les teintes ni dans les rythmes, ni dans le cheminement du discours et malheureusement, Léopold Mozart n'aurait pu délivrer une symphonie de ce style et de cette qualité
Except that Mozart didn't rip off Abel. This was misattributed to him because he'd copied the work out to study it and it was found in his manuscripts after his death.
Indeed. It was seen as a matter of tribute, it demonstrated the author was inspired on another's work. Even classical musicians used to translate melodies from popular music into classical music as a way of portraying the sound of a village, country or an empire when composing something related to them. But now... that is seen as copying, instead of a way of musical quoting.
@@OrchestrationOnline STYLE DOES NOT BELONG TO ANY COMPOSER IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMPOSER CHOOSES TO WRITE IN. TODAY THE NWO HAS SO MANY RESTRICTIONS. THE WORLD HAS REGRESSED 2 THOUSAND YEARS.
Copiée ou non, l'entendre sera toujours un plaisir. Nous savons tous que Mozart n’hésitait pas copier ses propres œuvres, pourquoi pas celles des autres?
A curious note from Wikipedia: The Symphony No. 3 in E♭ major, K. 18, has been misattributed to Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, but it is in tact a symphony composed by Carl Friedrich Abel, a leading German composer of the earlier Classical period. it was discovered that this symphony was copied by the boy Mozart (evidently for study purposes) while he was visiting London in 1764. He would have been only 8 years old!
It is pleasent to hear something like it nowadays. I like pop music, but sometimes the mind JUST NEEDS to hear something D I F F E R E N T . It’s all sounds the same out there.
No começo do primeiro movimento, nota se uma passagem muito parecida com a da Sinfonia concertante in E-flat major, K.364/320d. Alguém notou? Am I wrong or in the beginning of Allegro there is a motif used in Sinfonia concertante in E-flat major, K.364/320d??
During Mozart's stay in London from the ages of seven and a half to almost nine, he became friends with Johann Christian Bach. Abel was Bach's business partner in London, and young Mozart copied this work in 1764, about a year before it was even published, so he probably got the score from Abel or Bach so he could study it. Mozart's first symphonies seem to indicate that he studied a set of J. C. Bach's symphonies written about the time he was in London too.
These early symphonies are really nice. Can hear JC Bach's influence in structural terms as well as melodically . Nonetheless Mozart offers something quite unique with extra depth, Quite fascinating actually. Thanks for posting!
Can't we just enjoy the music without arguing over who wrote it? The only way we can know for sure who wrote it is to ask the composers themselves. And we can't ask them because they're dead already.
He actually didn't right this one. As others have explained, it was written by Carl Friedrich Abel, copied by Mozart, and published by mistake as his after his death when it was found amongst his papers.
Before the masses learned to read through literacy programs provided by state schools, pure music thrived instead of bastardized pop music for the masses, which was mass programmed through mass media
I wish the public schools wouldn't teach the dumb peasant animals language because all it amounts to is peasant animals, making dumb statements that enlightened people have to listen to. I would much hear a cow moo or a horse ney than someone of lower breeding speak.
Does no one notice that Mozart DID rip off Abel, even if his original intentions were to study him. Check out 0.13 - 0.18 and compare it to 1.34 of this sinfonia concertante, ua-cam.com/video/uAv48Ne5axA/v-deo.html, and tell me he didn't rip Abel off. Even the key signature is still the same.
You can hear echoes of this work in many of Mozart's E-flat Major compositions. The opening motif is an ancestor of Mozart's opening themes in the Piano Concertos 14 and 22 as well as the Sinfonia Concertante. It was also common for Mozart to use C minor for the slow movement of E-flat Major works as Abel does here. Other elements of this work that Mozart used extensively later on include independence in the wind band and use of the dotted eighth to create a "twinkle" effect. (Used, for example, in the Andante of Symphony 40 and Allegretto of String Quartet 23).
1:38 - 2:08 - I love this part
The so-called Symphony No. 3 in E-flat major, K. 18, once attributed to Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, is by today's scholarship considered not to be Mozart's own work but instead that of Carl Friedrich Abel, a leading German composer of the earlier Classical period.It was misattributed to Mozart because a manuscript score in the hand of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, was categorized as his Symphony No. 3 in E flat, K. 18, and was published as such in the first complete edition of Mozart's works by Breitkopf & Härtel. Later, it was discovered that this symphony was actually the work of Abel, copied by the boy Mozart (evidently for study purposes) while he was visiting London in 1764. That symphony was originally published as the concluding work in Abel's Six Symphonies, Op. 7. However, Mozart's copy differs from Abel's published score in that Mozart "substituted clarinets for the printed oboe parts. WIKIPEDIA
Strange enough: or Abel was a second Mozart or this work was conceived by Wolfgang!
Aurelio Salvador
Abel is a friend of Mozart
I am listening to this Symphony for the very first time. Without the slightest doubt, and I know Mozart very well, this is NOT by Mozart, except the addition of the winds. The music totally lacks Mozart‘s exceptional and uncomparable spontaneous though very well constructed musical style. It reminds me on Carl Stamitz. Not even C. P. E. Bach was so „classic bsroque“ like this peace. Listen to Mozart‘s opera „Apollo er Hyazinthus“, composed at the age of 11, quite the same time. Totally different, frech, full of unexpected Genius Mozart. The clarinetts, though, are by Mozart, too good.
I have never heard this symphony before. I find it interesting that there is a short musical phrase that is also heard in Mozart symphonia concertante , which is (coincindentally) in Eb.
This was a study tool by Mozart. Transcribing works by other composers, even today, is a great way to learn. Hence, Mozart took Abel's work and copied it to learn, changing the oboes to clarinets. So this is definitely Abel's work. So, yes, the title should be changed, but I am not severely bothered by it.
Do you know which of Abels work he took? I listen to Abels Symphonie no. 1 - 6, sounds really like early Mozart.
Check Shostakovich Op. 17 Two works of D Scarlatti, it is the key for many of his symphonies.
This symphony, especially the Andante, gives us a good idea why Wolfgang respected Abel. It was music to his heart. In the very beginning at 12:09 you can hear a snippet Mozart used in his Sinfonia Concertante.
One of my favorite symphonies :-D
Thank you for sharing this masterpiece with the world! I will be dead and forgotten in a few years, but this sublime composition will be appreciated until the end. Make it go viral, send it to your loved ones, play it on your next birthday party, dance with your dog listening to this...
Whoever composed this, you can have me!
Well, that's one way to get boned.
Whoever wrote it, it's a masterpiece of the Classical Style-period.
According to the Poster's notes above:
"Spurious. Composed by Carl Friedrich Abel (WK 18) and published as his Op. 7 No. 6 in 1765. Mozart copied the symphony and replaced the oboes by clarinets (version heard here with clarinets)."
I stand by my original statement.
@@tuxguys Wow. I need to check out this composer now
Dommage que Mozart n'aie pas composé cette charmante symphonie !
Wonderful music for any era . . .
Note to self: 3:37 9:30
The first theme from the second movement is strikingly similar to a sinfonia concertante work by Johann christian Bach - c44 I believe.
Abel I such a fascinating composer. This in particular is a superb work, one which I will not forget.
And a thanks to the uploader. I've noticed you have uploaded an extensive amount of Johann Christians' chamber music this week. Many thanks to you :)
nothing to do with it, but I love Fernando Sor... ;-)
Чудесно) Любой прогулкой начинаешь наслаждаться!
I am so glad that the painters at that time made the portraits of these important people so we can see how they looked like. Mozart had a enormous head. That's why....
This is Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's "cover" I like to think, of Carl Friedrich Abel's sixth symphony. Though there wasn't really a copyright infringement law then.
it would still not have been ok to copy a work note for note. Real covers would be like Bach's cover (Bwv 565) Of Buxtehude's (Buxwv 155).
@@resonantdave But he changed the oboes to clarinets. Mozart copied it to study, not to make it his own. So don't try to say that Mozart was trying to do something illegal.
Muy hermosa sinfonía, deberíamos conocer más el trabajo de F Abel
noob
About 1:50 of the opening movement, this dives into a riff that makes me want to hear more Abel. Thank you, Aurelio Salvador, for the explanation of Number 3.
So BEAUTIFUL 🌠🎀🎇.....!🎶💝💫
Wow
definitely wasn't expecting clarinets already
Beautiful Performance ! Thank you :)
1. Allegro (0:00)
2. Andante (3:55)
3. Presto (9:29)
0:00 3:55 9:29
Para mi noche de descanso...👍👍👍
Classical music is underrated
Is it though?
Agreed my good sir.
your mums underrated
@@doboldast3608 i will
No wait
What do you mean?
Why though? Mozart's music is God's voice. What about the Mozart effect?
During Mozart's stay in London from the ages of seven and a half to almost nine, he became friends with Johann Christian Bach. Abel was Bach's business partner in London, and young Mozart copied this work in 1764, about a year before it was even published, so he probably got the score from Abel or Bach so he could study it. Mozart's first symphonies seem to indicate that he studied a set of J. C. Bach's symphonies written about the time he was in London too.
@@Keaton.Robert The Bach that died in 1750 was Johann Sebastian Bach. We're talking about Johann Christian Bach, JS Bach's youngest son (1735-1782). The older Bach had three other sons who were composers and whose music is often recorded: Wilhelm Friedeman Bach, Carl Phillip Emmanuel Bach, and Johann Christoph Friedrich Bach. The Bach family was very large and there many composers with that name.
AML2000 y’all play too much
Effectivement à aucun moment on ne reconnaît la patte de Mozart, ni dans les teintes ni dans les rythmes, ni dans le cheminement du discours et malheureusement, Léopold Mozart n'aurait pu délivrer une symphonie de ce style et de cette qualité
"Back then" it was considered flattery to "rip off" other composers. Today it would be "copyright infringement."
Except that Mozart didn't rip off Abel. This was misattributed to him because he'd copied the work out to study it and it was found in his manuscripts after his death.
Well not to wholly copy a piece note for note. Really he copied it to study from, not publish.
Indeed. It was seen as a matter of tribute, it demonstrated the author was inspired on another's work.
Even classical musicians used to translate melodies from popular music into classical music as a way of portraying the sound of a village, country or an empire when composing something related to them.
But now... that is seen as copying, instead of a way of musical quoting.
@@OrchestrationOnline STYLE DOES NOT BELONG TO ANY COMPOSER IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMPOSER CHOOSES TO WRITE IN. TODAY THE NWO HAS SO MANY RESTRICTIONS. THE WORLD HAS REGRESSED 2 THOUSAND YEARS.
Yıl 2017 hala dinliyorum 👂 bizimkiler nerdesiniz?
Yıl 2021 hâlâ dinliyorum ,sen nerelerdesin kanka :D
На дворе 2024 год. Я впервые это слушаю. Спасибо всем, кто причастен, где бы вы не были. Музыка нас объединяет.
Copiée ou non, l'entendre sera toujours un plaisir. Nous savons tous que Mozart n’hésitait pas copier ses propres œuvres, pourquoi pas celles des autres?
A curious note from Wikipedia: The Symphony No. 3 in E♭ major, K. 18, has been misattributed to Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, but it is in tact a symphony composed by Carl Friedrich Abel, a leading German composer of the earlier Classical period. it was discovered that this symphony was copied by the boy Mozart (evidently for study purposes) while he was visiting London in 1764. He would have been only 8 years old!
It is pleasent to hear something like it nowadays. I like pop music, but sometimes the mind JUST NEEDS to hear something D I F F E R E N T . It’s all sounds the same out there.
ein wunderschönes lied♡
Das ist kein Lied (und niemand singt). Es ist eine Symphonie.
@@MrFpamhAhhaahha
The oboes and clarinets are there.
No começo do primeiro movimento, nota se uma passagem muito parecida com a da Sinfonia concertante in E-flat major, K.364/320d. Alguém notou? Am I wrong or in the beginning of Allegro there is a motif used in Sinfonia concertante in E-flat major, K.364/320d??
During Mozart's stay in London from the ages of seven and a half to almost nine, he became friends with Johann Christian Bach. Abel was Bach's business partner in London, and young Mozart copied this work in 1764, about a year before it was even published, so he probably got the score from Abel or Bach so he could study it. Mozart's first symphonies seem to indicate that he studied a set of J. C. Bach's symphonies written about the time he was in London too.
Thank you for putting some class on youtube
“Some class” lmao its all over youtube even in 2015
These early symphonies are really nice. Can hear JC Bach's influence in structural terms as well as melodically . Nonetheless Mozart offers something quite unique with extra depth, Quite fascinating actually. Thanks for posting!
There are gifted people in this world apparently
Wonderful Mozart: No other equal. Thanks.
If you read the other comments you will see that this is by Abel and not by Mozart, except for the use of clarinets instead of the original oboes.
Can't we just enjoy the music without arguing over who wrote it? The only way we can know for sure who wrote it is to ask the composers themselves. And we can't ask them because they're dead already.
It was definitely not written by Mozart.
It written by Abel
The kid Mozart added his own touch to this arrangement by using clarinets in place of Abel's oboes.
1. 0:00
2. 3:55
3. 9:29
When I was 9, I learned how to doggy paddle.
I’m 18 I learned a couple weeks ago
Musica legal interessei pela primeira vez
Legal essa música eu escutava desde pequeno já assistindo videos sobre diversas musicas classicas
BANGER
ula ula ula :))
This shit hella lit🔥💯
fucking fire i bet on god me n my bloods steppin on dis u fimme
Además me suscribo,ya que encontré este canal super interesante.👍👍
If Mozart only replaced oboes by clarinets....why then, is the work called "Mozarts 3. Symphony" instead of "re-arrangement"?
What's the KV# mean? The categorization interests me
KV stands for Koechel Werkverzeichnis. Koechel was a 19th century musicologist who catalogued Mozart's works.
Me too, ALL of his symphonies....
How old was he, when he wrote this one??????
He actually didn't right this one. As others have explained, it was written by Carl Friedrich Abel, copied by Mozart, and published by mistake as his after his death when it was found amongst his papers.
😊
Before the masses learned to read through literacy programs provided by state schools, pure music thrived instead of bastardized pop music for the masses, which was mass programmed through mass media
I wish the public schools wouldn't teach the dumb peasant animals language because all it amounts to is peasant animals, making dumb statements that enlightened people have to listen to. I would much hear a cow moo or a horse ney than someone of lower breeding speak.
"E flat" ? Are you sure it's flat ? Like a dish ? An appartment ?
Weird baroque intrusions, anachronistic 2nd interval suspension sequences and such
The sound of the TAO
I sent this to my girlfriend, I want to make her LOVE classical music
Wow good idea.... But what happened what's her reaction about this masterpiece
be careful, she might leave you for mozart :/
Wenn jemand Mozarts Musik nicht mag,
diese Peronlichkeit krank ist und will sich nicht gesund werden !!! Tepper Michael.
This isn't Mozart's style. Mozart was quick minded striking, and witty
the Allegro is reminiscent of Zadok the Priest
Whats her dont have particture?
i came here for a song that slapped and i was not mistaken.
amogus
i loove mozat, he wood lov amogi
Does no one notice that Mozart DID rip off Abel, even if his original intentions were to study him. Check out 0.13 - 0.18 and compare it to 1.34 of this sinfonia concertante, ua-cam.com/video/uAv48Ne5axA/v-deo.html, and tell me he didn't rip Abel off. Even the key signature is still the same.
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3番なのになんでクラリネット!? 偽作は素人目にもわかります。
After Beethoven Mozart is the best.
lol
Mozart is a criminal😆😆😆, copyright infringement
This wasn't Mozart 😭😭😭
Shame about the clarinets!
Too slow. This ain't no molto allegro.
Symphony 37 also same as no3. How about beginning as like this...K444.