TIME WITH THE COMMON SENSE FAMILY. TOPIC: THE INVENTION OF THE NEW TESTAMENT 14-09-2020
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Avraham is very smart scholar in this field. He knows how to defeat Religious demagogues.
Wow Avram, you have really studied this book called Holy Book. I was expecting the pastor to explain the verses Avraham read with spiritual understanding so we will all know that Avraham is throwing dust in our eyes. But it looks like know Pastor had been able to do that. Please pastors could you please help us clear the dust Avraham is putting in our eyes?
The smart Avraham, always smart, Mr man you are dealing with the smart guy call Avraham
The crux of the disagreement regarding the topic is the definition of “invention”. The pastor looked at this from the perspective of how Christianity evolved regarding the individuals, persons or groups who penned the scriptures. His main argument was that it wasn’t the Piso family which wrote the New Testament. He, however, failed to separate the king Piso from the entire family as Avram pointed. It wasn’t jut a single individual.
Avram, on the other hand, viewed “invention” as lifting passages from the Old Testament and in most instances distorting such as revelations or prophecies in the New Testament. In our current environment, we could refer to such a photoshopped from the Old Testament to “invent” the New Testament. In effect, Avram sees such photoshopping as an invention (creating something new from the old) while in actual fact nothing new has been created.
What’s astonishing is the pastor recounting a historical sequence without making a solid connection to the salient facts as to where and when the Bible was written; and presumably also by who (if discounting the Piso factor).
Avram on the other hand was able to indicate that the new was “invented” ( created) from the old and distorted.
In sum, they look at “invention” from different angles but Avram was more succinct in joining the dots. I am by no means suggesting that the pastor is wrong. What l imply is that he should have made the connection between the history and the evolution of the New Testament.
Haven't even watched the whole show yet,
but your submission of the overall debate is an excellent critical thinking analysis which I can also foretell will happen.
Thanks for the heads up ✌✌✌
Very honest submission
i think Avram made justice to his paraphrasing submission whereas i think the Pastor should have had time to buttress his points by connecting the historical facts to the writings of the new testaments if there was one
Ama Pomaah Agreed. The pastor failed to make a conclusive argument
Brilliant exposition.The evangelist should rather defend the content of the bible he uses ever day instead relying on relying on what some body said it it.His argument is one part and not sufficient.Avraham on the other hand has done a painstaking research work to show the craftiness in manipulation the new testament with the old
Pastors looking into depths of heart. Pastor all these dates are not necessary. Go to the point? They are now serious about critical studies. Wonderful!
Surprisingly I don't want the opponent talk oooh for all the debate to waste my time.. I just want to learn so I only listen to ABM part
This pastor comes to give us history books not to debate
Wow. im so glad to be a christian and I'm baffled by evangelist's knowledge in explaining and countering the falsehood and the ignorance of Avram. God bless evangelist and thank God avram disgraced himself with this debate. Christ is King!
You are just being foolish. You know the truth
Ghanafo) ne gyimi keke
Avraham u are really a legend and a great teacher keep it up
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Please before your guests speaks, introduce what the topic of the debate is,both in TWI and English
This really sad 😓 why are we Ghanaians instead of learning our history and our original we are learning so in depth the history of people who don’t care or give a hoot about our race. What is the significance of the history of the Roman Empire to the development and betterment of the Ghanaian citizenry? Anyway, keep it up Avraham.
You use bible to preach in churches, take tithes and collections,
But using different sources to debate
Wake up Ghanaians and Africans you been fool too long.
Anyone who comment that’s Avraham lost this debate is not an honest person. Don’t let your dislike for him cloud your judgement. The pastor gave us a history background but failed to point out in the bible the real topic on board.. do the pastors teach this history in their churches? For u to give proof of something is legit u have to use the same bible or book to justify your point in which Avraham did that using the same bible to proof his points. You cannot use history book and literature to proof the bible is legit. U have to use the same bible to proof your point. The truth is always the truth.. anyone can watch the debate and decide for themselves.
this avraham is misquoting the scriptures, do you how this man is killing people with this his demonic teaching.
my brother it seem you also don't read the bible following this avraham, I don't dislike avraham, if you keep following this posses guy you surely perish
'Ey3a ka Twi ma me'. Oso: 'Okay, don't worry'😄😄😄😄
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Pastor is teaching history and his route will backfire on him...
CSF makes you starts to do more research. Bigups CSF
Can you please pastor tell us what year was Okumfo Anokye born? Since your master of world religious history. All what your telling us is what's already in the Goggle, but you still haven't explain how the Bible is either invented or sent by God
Today avraham has meat his meter
Professor. Avram been moshe😘😘😘 Obenfo avram.... I love you 😍😍
Pastor, please defend Avraham's point and stop the dates and history. Where's your point?
He has failed the debate. He started very well but has made the discussion boring.
What kind of Ananse story is this
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The Ancestors are speaking and revealing through Avhram ✊
On the 2nd time given to the Pastor, i expected him to prove whether or not the quotations from Avram's didnt actually mean it was invented...
Avhram is making these pastors to rethink , learn and revise notes all over again. The guy dey school dem
Say it again
Maaad🔥🔥🔥❣️
Wonderful Avraham legend
God bless this pastor
Ohhh my godoooo so nobody pastors can expose my man Avram it means Avram is on point
Pastor Obadiah debated Avram and Avram has to walk out.
Avram deviated from the topic
When Avram see he is losing a debate then he becomes dramatic
Pastor Encyclopedia Britannica
I dey die lmao
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The pastor has failed totally
OK this pastor should just give us the history of Akans. See how u hv chewed the white man's history page for page.
The pastor have not answered the topic .
You should’ve been a historian teacher and taking the government’s money instead of pastor and taking our people’s money. Do you teach history at your church?
Hahaha
@@agyeinana1121 this is a debate
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I've watch almost 30 minutes, Pastor is only telling us the roman history without saying anything how it's related to the authenticity of the new testament
Undebatable..... No pastor can fix avram.. Continue avram... Vim... Never change continue to change the world 😘😘😘 your statues must be built in Ghana
God bless you Evangelist Wilberforce. You are a blessing to this generation
Bless you too bro
Lol thieves in suit
Which kind of this stupid history,how does josephuse have to do with me in Ghana
Bro ask him for me
In fact o,Josephus,Peeso,Neuro,Constantine etc etc. Yabre o
Avraham has got a brilliant understanding of the Bible.
You too good,Avraham!!!
Csf to the world ❤🔥😂
Jay Q in the building ❤🔥🤣🤣
Pastor or researcher please don't come tomorrow wai 🤣🤣🤣
Long life Avra
Pastor you lost completely from the topic.
Wagyimii paa oo
Only sensible ones will understand you and not thieves in suits like their pastors
History pastors :Avram mesee onyankopong 3nim s3 woy3 nyansafour de3 woka nyinaa 3y3 nokore3.
It seems all the pastors are coming from Kumasi. Kennedy Agyapong said this but some people simply didn’t want t to accept it
Beeeeeeeeeen Mosheeeeee,you're too deep.Pastor go and come again next time,knowledge is power✌✌✌👏🙏🙏🙏Don Coulibaly
788 or 787 does that change your chop money? Stick to the topic
Okatakyie Obeng, I like how u keep your cool.
Avraham sent them back to sch
No matter how you gave the historical background of the book , we are waiting know either the Bible was from God or man? Was it compiled by a man or God?
Exactly who wrote the book!!
You don't like learning that is why Avram is deceiving you
junior emmanuel 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Pastor go and come again
JESUS IS LORD
This pastor should tell the history to coronavirus n ebola , upon all the history you couldn't correct all the contradictions in the Bible nanamia. Well done Ben Moshe
This is why the African is his own enemy. This is why religion has poisoned us. This is why we have that deep inferiority complex. This is why brothers and sisters will die crossing deserts and oceans. This is why we will pray, sing, worship, offer, tithe, fast and still wallow in poverty and despair. This is why they will fight against common sense and call it an evil agenda. This is why I cry silently in my heart.😢😥😢
I cried reading your comments , why because I'm living in Europe and I'm witnessing and experiencing a lot I mean a lot.
Thank you for your seach nice comments.
@@derekdow6594 thank you for your kind and heartfelt words. Let's all do what we can to help ourselves and each other to break this heavy yoke. There's hope💪
with all those history and debate the Romans were able to build their country,where are we as Ghanaians,where do we stand with our economy and our own history ????
Really admire the Pastor, he stuck to the topic!
Outside the Bible 🤦🏻♂️
This is very sad oo .. if u think about this very well you’ll see how sad this is ! Look at how this pastor is serious defending this ! A creator sending someone to die for sins how does this makes sense ?? We as Africans thinking about how we can save our economy look at this man with useless history ! Ah !! Someone being killed in Israel how does this affect us and even the world what sense is in this kraa ! We are hungry, we want jobs and a better living how has Jesus solved this problem for us ?
It only tells you how terrible we are. If he knew any of the history of any African empire like this or even his own akan history, that will have been useful to our African consciousness.
Abraham is the one doing great work. Encouraging us to uphold our self identity as Africans.
The pastor is wrong to say that there should not be a biblical quote when talking about THE HISTORICAL JESUS. The story in the Bible is itself historical. The story about Jesus is therefore historical.
We are all illuminated..black needs to create our own holy book..Okomfo anokye chapter 1vs1..piaww
Avraham is doing the job university professors in Africa are afraid to do.
He himself has even made am error. He said Jew was a country under the roman empire
@@kassimsaeed789 which human doesn't make mistakes
The pastor thinks he knows his knows history the piso family
Flavius are the same person
There is a difference between argument and debate, Debates yield understandable results while arguments leave both parties unsatisfied...
Anyway the history by the pastor is correct, it is also true Evraham did not get the historical facts or points right but it does not disproof the fact that the bible has discrepancies.,,,,, and that is the point.
What the heck is pastor talking about ?what is the main theme if the debate?
B.C. does not mean Before Christ, it means Before the Common Era..
lmaooo i shock how stupid people r
Does he even know today’s topic?
Hmm 🤔 I’m just confused 🤷♂️ are we here for history classes or Debate? This is pretty much boring 😑 😑 😑Pastor is Dodging fr The Bible
Okatakye this debate is boring we don’t need the history of Roman Empire
CFS all the way
Good pastor believes in encyclopedia historical facts..
Biblical claims are mostly not factual
In ancient Egypt, the worshipers of the Greco-Kemetic god of SERAPIS, were already calling themselves Christians. There were lots of Christs (Saviours) before the fake Yesus Kristos was invented by the Romans..
GOD bless you Pastor
CSF🔥🔥🔥
Pastor can't u quote single quotation?
Great share my friends!
One suggestion / advice I will give to Avram is that, he should work on his emotions. If he is able to do that, It will catapult this revolution very far. I hope he will listen. He should try to stay very calm. It is a weakness that if not managed well, it can affect.
Avram made a clear case to show that the new testament plagiarized (copied) the old testament. How can pastor history teacher ignore plagiarized work?!
This pastor did not come to debate if the new testament was invented. He came to tell Avram it could not have been invented by the people Avram claims invented it.
Oso please wait oooh where is your bible????
Aah Africa when
It now makes sense why the Muslims say that the Bible is corrupted..
3y3 ampa Paaa
Csf for life Franklin Spain
Everybody here should watch the documentary named "ceasers messiah"
i learn from that. avraham is right
Is this a debate or Roman history class
Exodus Family ❤😊🎉
Am hugely disappointed in the Evangelist and his companion Doctor.They did not do themselves any justice at all.Firstly you can't prove the existence of a historical fact by just referring to or relying on one source,rediculouse.so just traveling to Accra to just condemn Abraham on the inconsistencies in the writers of the new testament or dates is below their calibre. Intellectuals debate this issue by citing historical evidence based on write ups,archeology etc and more importantly the bible it self which is the primary source of evidence.Therefore Avraham has done a great painful research by identifying how they pick versus in the old testament and then fix them in the new and there are many. The Evangelist failed to use the primary source of evidence which is the bible to prove the source of the New testament.The historical write ups are no more important than believing Mary got impregnated by a Holly spirit or we not having any evidence about the extended of the characters except in the bible???.
History is written by those in power I doubt they will write against power of that time
🤔 The pastor is coating history ie how the bible came together = invented? 🤫😁
Please pastor do you teach your church members this history without quotation. or
you teach them the bible with many quotation and you came all the way from kumasi
To debate Avran you didn't even mention any one quotation. Oo hmm.
Please brethren, i have only one question and my question is why is it that all the people that existed in Bible, non of their ancestors exist today as i speak?????????
Avram ❤💪👐
So why was de pastor der aa
Thank you Evangelist for giving facts.
You got your business partner
Facts that do not exist in the inspired book very sad🤦🏻♂️😢
Okatakyie why do explain things for the pastor? Ask him the questions n force him to answer, don't help him answer
The pastor should have asked for clarification from Avram before starting his submission. I'm sure Avram is talking about organised religion known as Christianity (where by they sat down and made rules and agreed on doctrine and dogma) being the invention.
Of course there were followers of christ around before that (the disciples for example). It's like saying nobody played football in Ghana until the FA was formed.
Freethinker 1
The belief or religion of the disciples and jesus himself was called judaism. Christianity and Islam came out of judaism. All three of them are Abrahamic religions. The main difference between these religions is that christians believe jesus is the son of God and jesus is god. Both judaism and islam strongly disagree with that idealogy.
It was Nero himself who burned down the City as a false flag 🚩 against his opposition.
Please you don't preach history in the church
You don't like learning that is why Avram is deceiving you people
god of the youth.u do all ben moshe
Oso you've missed all the points
😭😭😭😭, so we don't have a history as a humans? Shame and sad
You be there avram cannot prove even his source, he is confuse person
Please don’t forget to vote for Nana Akuffo Addo on 7th December 2020. #4more2domore
Oh yea. NDC lack ideas to move this country forward
What is that old man doing? Wasting our diamond, gold, timber etc. money to build cathedral & funerals. We need schools, children are sitting under trees to learn & have no even good water to drink. Haabaaah!
Salamat Lawal I don’t agree with NPP, 30% of the time but NDC is a pure scam
Throw the whole party away
What is that Dr. doing to save his poor pastor
This Evangelist is just talking about a history book he read period and it’s justified that the book was invented by some people. I was waiting for him to say something about God inspiration to the existence of the book and he kept talking about emperors and empires
The pastor did well with his research and explanation about the correction of the historical narration and citing his references to validate his argument but in trying to defend himself further he put himself at fault. The theme of the discussion was THE INVENTION OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, but all that the pastor said was to discredit Avraham's claims about his narration of history which Avraham conceded to. Nowhere in the argument did the pastor say anything about how the New Testament came about and why it should be validated. Avraham on the other hand made his points well by telling us where in the Old Testament certain quotations were picked from, modified, and reused in the New Testament. It was well of the pastor to show us the shortcomings of Avraham's historical account but he should have backed his points by telling us how he believes the New Testament came about and prove to us why his is credible.