One of my local brewers has a black IPA going year round, slight malt and coffee notes, but still strongly an IPA with loaw carbonation and really velvety mouthfeel
Forest fire is one of the best descriptions of how a beer can smell. Thanks Brad :D It always amazes me how some people can make the spot on metafors of how beer/vine etc smell and taste.
I absolutely love BIPA. Blacks of Kinsale brewery here in Ireland have one in their core range and whenever I see it I buy. I'm that guy that would happily drink a BIPA everyday
Enjoying a “Dante fiero” an Italian style lager from my local brewery, the brickyard brewing company, here in Lewiston New York. Enjoying the latest craft beer channel episode
One of my favorite beers ever was a black IPA from Firestone Walker: Wookey Jack. Very complex, dark coffee, roasted malt, significantly (but not overwhelmingly) bitter.
Had a lovely Black IPA last night on the Beer Fridge Podcast. A collab from new brewery Trinity and Green Duck. Definitely give it a try. Keep up the good work
You're reading my mind with these videos! Just brewed a black IPA last month. Had midnight wheat in the malt bill with magnum, centennial, citra and chinook hops. Turns out perfect every year. Pine and grapefruit fighting for attention on the nose. They're there with a pinch of roast on the back half of the taste. Nice medium to full mouth feel. Cheers!
Great hop choices for this style! We like them a little lighter than full mouthfeel - like the classic west coasters that often used sugar to bump the ABV without the extra body.
Hi! Just found your channel and I'm loving it! I got to be a patriot and ask if you could try beers from Swedish breweries? I can recommend some of my favorites: Stigberget Brewery, Apex Brewing Company, Fermenterarnas, O/O Brewing and Duckpond Brewing. Most of them are located in Gothenburg. Cheers!
Black IPA has always been my favorite style bu definitely saw the disappearance of the last 3 years. Just picked up the last two 6 packs of Stone Sublimely Righteous from my local grocery store bc I was so excited to see it back! But my first memory of a Black IPA was Firestone Walkers Wooky Jack which is still my favorite of all beers to drink! Great roasty pine flavors throughout! Thanks for the great watch Guys! BIPA to the Moon!
I had the Stone Sublimely Self-Righteous in Florida about ten years ago. I have looked for it on all my travels since. I buy it whenever I see it. I love that beer.
♥️BIPA. Was lucky enough to try Society & Solitude #2 and El Jefe back to back for my first experience and I've been a fan of the style ever since. Enjoying a TRVE Black Cascade right now!
Question, I want to make a Black IPA but I've heard some don't add the dark malt the same time as the rest of the grain bill, I was going to add it all in at the same time, what's better?
Love a good black IPA. Should be piney, grapefruit citrus, with a roasted note. Used to be probably 5-10 local breweries that made them maybe 3-5 yrs ago, now down to 1 that does one year round as a core beer, and 1 that does one as a seasonal. There was one from a brewery a province over that we used to get here, that was the best, but no longer brews it. Thankfully they have shared the recipe so us home brewers can try it on our own. Black Banks Cascadian Ale 5Gal/19l 6.3%, 54IBU, SRM 27 81.6% 2 Row 6.1% Carafa Special III 6.1% Crystal 40 6.1% Vienna 14.25 grams of Simcoe @60 (0.5oz for the metrically impared) 28.5 grams of Simcoe @10 28.5 grams of Amarillo @0 42.75grams of Simcoe dry hop 3 days 42.75grams of Amarillo dry hop 3 days Water profile like you would a west coast IPA If you want a little more smoke to it, add a handful of smoked malt, or to add a bit of sweetness and smoke, a handful of Cherry Smoked malt. More coffee character, just add some coffee to the end of the boil
I agree - to me a Black IPA is a West Coast with a hint of the characteristics of darker malts. A brewery in Cleveland, OH called The Brew Kettle has been making their White Rajah west coast IPA for a long time and then started making a black version called Black Rajah. Alll the same hops - to me it is one of the perfect examples of the style.
I think that Ruse Brewing out of Portland, OR has a black IPA that may fit the profile you are speaking about. it's called Dark Beyond the Stars. I enjoyed it for the same reasons why you had mentioned. There may be some cans flowing around. I recommend checking that out. /shrug
Sounds tasty, I'll have to try one! Maybe a cool video idea would be to discuss/battle of the Belgian strong ales? Beers like Kwak, Duvel, Delerium etc. It would be interesting to see what the non-trappist belgian beer has to offer.
Cool video. I have never really got black ipa. Have tried a bunch of them and only found one that I liked. For me, it takes 2 styles of beer that I love separately and fails to marry them in a way that I find pleasing. Give me an American stout or cascadian dark ale for hoppy dark, or straight ipa, wcipa or neipa for hoppy.
Yeah that's kind of where we landed with this video! In my head there were some great examples back in 2012-15 but not had one that's blown me away with the recent glut of them
I tried my 1st Black IPA when I started my craft beer journey back in 2015 I think. Anyway, I tried "Firestorm" by Big Storm Brewing in Odessa, FL and I loved it! If I'm out at a craft brewery I'll get one if there is one on the menu, but for some reason I won't buy it when I see it in the stores in cans or bottles.
Totally get this - there are quite a few styles I rarely buy in can or bottle but always grab on draft. I think at home I like the pale sipping beers, and when out at a craft beer place I mix it up more.
Enlightening episode guys. Speaking of Mitch Steele, he is right here in Atlanta where he co-founded New Realm Brewing Co. where they are pumping out some outstanding IPAs. When you guys start traveling again, come check out the craft beer scene in Atlanta and visit New Realm!
Damn we would love to come to Atlanta! I (Jonny) spoke to Mitch for an article about Black IPA and will definitely be visiting one day, sounds like he's built a great brewery there.
@@TheCraftBeerChannel And we'd love to have you! I'll be happy to give you some ideas of breweries to visit. We have a nice mix of older breweries and new.
Not my favourite style of beer but the kernel export India is one of my favourite beers. Kernel can't really do much wrong in all honesty! I would love for you guys to do some work with them at some point. A great brewery who have definately stayed grounded and know how to please the people.
Just brewed with talus hops, i did not get any coconut aroma as more of pink grapefruit and the pith of grapefruit. Will have to revisit my beer again. Cheers!
Well the same hops can present it lots of different ways depending on their age, use, dosage etc as well as the yeast, water and malt recipes so if you got grapefruit out of it that's awesome!
such a tricky style, I have tried many but so few have hit the spot of combining my love for IPA and PORTER/STOUT. I think the best one I have ever had is "Hophorn" from HORNBEER brewery in denmark. it is 9,3% so more an I(mperial)BIPA but pretty damn good.
Great video, great style. I can highly recommend the Jopen Maria Magdalena series of Black IPA's from Haarlem in the Netherlands. Each featured a prominent hop combination... latest was Citra/Mosaic. And from the South-west, St Austell Proper Black IPA is also very solid. #BlackIPAsMatter
Sign of the southern cross by Weird Beard. Dark side of the moob by northern monk, The darkness within by Leviathan and rattlesnake chalice by Neon Raptor have been great. The Malt Miller's Stone Self richeous IPA also brews nicely at home 👍🍻
For me the first Black IPA that deserved its name and wasn't either predominantly malty or predominantly hoppy is Black Malts & Body Salts 2.0 by To Øl out of To Øl City. How you can have such a mix of different tastes within a single sip I have only experienced before in barrel aged stouts/porters, while sour beers / IPAs are usually more straightforward and unidimensional (which isn't bad necessarily).
Friends of mine own a micro brew here in Iowa do one and I really like. But one friend who loves stouts says it isn't black enough and another who likes IPAs says it isn't hoppy enough. I love stouts and don't care for IPAs that seem to be a contest of how much hops can you put in a glass at the sacrifice of flavor. Oh look what I just found in my fridge..🍺 (need dark beer emoji)
Well it is a lot better than the label I misread stating coco stout and it was actually coconut. Second worst beer I have ever had. No idea who drinking alcoholic sun tan lotion appeals to. But losing taste and smell from covid did have one bright side.
I thought it was Sabro that was the new "coconutty" hop. I think Talus is more grapefruit/citrusy? I may be wrong. Anyway, great video as always fellas.
I'd agree with that. The Siren and Deya single hopped Talus IPAs were really heavy tangerine and grapefruit. I didn't get any coconut in those (yep, Sabro is the big coconut thing for me).
Sabro is indeed THE coconut hop but we get it off Talus and Sorachi too. Talus is a really unusual hop, bred from a wild Mexican variety. Seems to present differently in every beer (again like Sorachi!)
@@TheCraftBeerChannel how many have you had yet? I've only had those two from the first wave so far but I really enjoyed the flavour profile and I'm keen to try more.
@@TheCraftBeerChannel that's probably because Talus is the sister of Sabro. I personally didn't get much coconut from Talus but that's why hops are amazing. The recent Cloudwater Black TIPA with Sabro was an immense brew!
Really surprised about the mention of the "sorachi coconut" thing. I've always thought of it as being all lemon-citrus. Haven't used it much, but if it also gives coconut, then perhaps I should give it another go!
TBH Sorachi is a weird-ass hop and I've got lemon, coconut, dill, strawberry and all manner of other things from it. To me Talus is similarly weird and wild. If you're after coconut, best go for Sabro.
Fun Fact. Greg Noonan, from Burlington, Vermont was the creator of this style of beer. I've been to his brewpub "The Vermont Pub & Brew" on College St. and had the original black IPA. Skal!
What do you change to make dark lagers vs regular ones? I feel like applying that to an IPA is the most natural fit as to what a black ipa should be... Or just take a dark lager recipe, swap to an ale yeast, throw in a few more hops. Boom! Black IPA Can you tell I'm not a brewer?!
Erm... Jonny you COULD be a brewer because this is EXACTLY what the original BIPA brewers did. They used carafa Special 3 - a german roasted malt with the husk removed to reduce the roasted astringency. That malt is used in schwarzbier.
Think Eclipse (one of the newer hops from down under) would go really well in a BIPA - mandarin, citrus peel, and pine. I have now tried it in a few styles, and it definitely seemed to suit darker styles well.
Hey, been watching a lot of your videos, and I´m wishing to ask an odd question. Would it be possible to brew a sort of dark malt liquor that can not be classified as a form of imperial stout or extra stout?
Don't really care what it's called but The Kernel Export India Porter really nailed it for me recently, The Siren/Elusive Zombies was pretty neat as well.
For me, being old school and after falling in love with El Jefe ( Alchemist ) and Shaun Hill's Darkside Black, I think any black IPA needs, absolutely must, be loaded with Simcoe ... piney, resine, and a good underlying bitterness. It should not be astringent ( Carafa III ), and definitely not juicy.
I like the name "cascadian dark ale" because it doesn't give expectation of IPA hops character, and it's less nonsense than BLACK India PALE ale lol. Talus, Sabro and other coconut aroma hops are great in this style if you don't have IPA aroma expectations :)
In our minds Cascadian Dark Ale is a different style - it originated in Oregon a few years after the BIPA and is generally lower ABV and much less hoppy.
Real sad that the brewery went under, they made great beer. But Cascadian Dark Ale is a different style to Black IPA - it's lower ABV, drier and less hoppy too. It comes from Oregon, while the BIPA is from New England.
Correct on the name. Beer&Wine Hobby in Danver MA make a kit they call Dirty Water Cascadian Dark. I've made it a couple of times. Has always come our well.
Maybe it's that whole thing of tasting with your eyes but I can't get on board with it. When I chuck down a pint of the black I want porter or stout anything slightly hoppy in there is gonna throw me off kilter. That said have never had a truly hoppy BIPA. Only sudsy, toasty ones.
@@TheCraftBeerChannel That is mostly a problem for our friends at the Stone Brewing Company. Maybe they will start shipping more variety of their beer in cans around the world. In Finland right now and I see only Stone IPA here.
I’m surprised you never addressed the most obvious question of how can a thing be black and pale at the same time? Haha. Anyway, I’m loving the expert tasting, as usual, and the wonderful flavor descriptors Brad comes up with. “Forest fire” and “The shade of a mango tree.” The latter was a collabo, I guess, and Jonny tweaked the former into “burnt forest.” What a treat to watch. Btw, I’m inspired by Brad’s shirt to share a short obit from last summer I’m sure you haven’t seen. It’s from a local Hudson Valley magazine that had the photo as the cover last August. www.chronogram.com/hudsonvalley/on-the-cover-portrait-of-milton-glaser-by-franco-vogt-august-2020/Content?oid=11026008 Enjoy!
Thanks for the link! And for the kind words. We didn't worry too much about the Black and Pale thing - beer names are littered with contradictions and always have been. Barley Wine isn't a wine etc!
Best two I've had (and by some distance) are: Tool - Black Malts and Body Salts Weird Beard x Time & Tide - Call Your Friends That collab was out of this world good. Wish it wasn't a one off. 😪 Not counting export India porters though as if I was then Kernel would be top of that list. The double is maybe my favourite beer of all time.
This is one of those beer styles I'm just indifferent to, I find them pretty inoffensive and will happily drink them if they come in a beer subscription package or something but won't go out of my way to buy them nor do they exactly blow my hair back!
"burn't forest"...lol. I fell hard for Sierra Nevada Stout decades ago for it's evergreen spin on what a spicy stout should be. But it is definitely a stout. Now I'm more confused than ever after watching this as to what a black IPA actually is. But that's ok. Emphasizing any creation that isn't loaded down with Citra and juicy juice hops is refreshing in itself! I still can't understand our current world in which beer drinkers are so fixated on their favorite imbibement tasting like a morning glass of grapefruit juice. Gwyuck!🤮
Sounds like the beer's fault, not yours! There should have been bags of hop aroma and decent of malt depth too - beyond the roast there needs to be some cara-like character.
@@TheCraftBeerChannel yeh so many competing flavours. Have you ever had a beer that is pretty much 100% on all flavour fronts? (Triple dry hopped Sour pastry imperial stout with a bourbon vanilla saison chaser?!)
All answers given are all wrong but also are all right.....black IPA is a oxymoron and should be brewed as such....I think the aroma should be all IPA with no dark elements but the taste should have the hint of coffee and dark caramel. I can say categorically that the cloudwater 6th birthday "black imperial ipas" were definitely not black IPAs in anyway shape or form...
We didn't have the Cloudwater ones (a triple Black IPA is a terrifying thought) but I agree on your definition and the Siren came closest. Just needed for hoppy character.
@@TheCraftBeerChannel had all three, Mr. Derbyshire informed me that he heard the base was the same base as persistence is Utile....which is a impy stout....so were really hoppy impy stouts, the Sabro one was nice though....but not a triple black IPA...
One of my local brewers has a black IPA going year round, slight malt and coffee notes, but still strongly an IPA with loaw carbonation and really velvety mouthfeel
Forest fire is one of the best descriptions of how a beer can smell. Thanks Brad :D
It always amazes me how some people can make the spot on metafors of how beer/vine etc smell and taste.
No chance of a copyright strike from that rendition, gents.
hahaha what are you trying to say?!
That intro had me in bits. Glad to see you boys really enjoying yourself as mates, oh and you happen to do a show too 😌
Oooo, thanks guys! My absolute favorite style of beer! I hope you're right that it's coming back in because I haven't had one in years.
I absolutely love BIPA. Blacks of Kinsale brewery here in Ireland have one in their core range and whenever I see it I buy. I'm that guy that would happily drink a BIPA everyday
I brewed a black ipa with chinook and citra and it's one of the best beers I've ever made. Planning another one soon.
Enjoying a “Dante fiero” an Italian style lager from my local brewery, the brickyard brewing company, here in Lewiston New York. Enjoying the latest craft beer channel episode
That Kernel Export Porter really reminded me of the best black IPAs I had years ago. It's really good.
One of my favorite beers ever was a black IPA from Firestone Walker: Wookey Jack. Very complex, dark coffee, roasted malt, significantly (but not overwhelmingly) bitter.
I cant believe I just made a Black IPA that turned out great, so happy with this.
Had a lovely Black IPA last night on the Beer Fridge Podcast. A collab from new brewery Trinity and Green Duck. Definitely give it a try. Keep up the good work
You're reading my mind with these videos! Just brewed a black IPA last month. Had midnight wheat in the malt bill with magnum, centennial, citra and chinook hops. Turns out perfect every year. Pine and grapefruit fighting for attention on the nose. They're there with a pinch of roast on the back half of the taste. Nice medium to full mouth feel. Cheers!
Great hop choices for this style! We like them a little lighter than full mouthfeel - like the classic west coasters that often used sugar to bump the ABV without the extra body.
That sounds like a great idea for next years batch. Thanks for the idea!
Yes on the Midnight wheat. I used falconer flight
Hi! Just found your channel and I'm loving it! I got to be a patriot and ask if you could try beers from Swedish breweries? I can recommend some of my favorites: Stigberget Brewery, Apex Brewing Company, Fermenterarnas, O/O Brewing and Duckpond Brewing. Most of them are located in Gothenburg. Cheers!
Black IPA has always been my favorite style bu definitely saw the disappearance of the last 3 years. Just picked up the last two 6 packs of Stone Sublimely Righteous from my local grocery store bc I was so excited to see it back!
But my first memory of a Black IPA was Firestone Walkers Wooky Jack which is still my favorite of all beers to drink! Great roasty pine flavors throughout!
Thanks for the great watch Guys! BIPA to the Moon!
I had the Stone Sublimely Self-Righteous in Florida about ten years ago. I have looked for it on all my travels since. I buy it whenever I see it. I love that beer.
A smaller amount of Stone Sublimely Self-Righteous is coming to Europe in the next weeks. Can’t wait to try.
Missing the best black IPA out there! Kinnegar Black Bucket.
simply fantastic beer!
Ah, my boys! You finally did it! My favorite beer on the planet!
That Kernal is one of my favourite beers ever.
First ever was Wookey Jack in a bar in Washington. The rye and higher abv defo works in its favour.
♥️BIPA. Was lucky enough to try Society & Solitude #2 and El Jefe back to back for my first experience and I've been a fan of the style ever since. Enjoying a TRVE Black Cascade right now!
The best beer style ever. I'd drink it every day if they made more different ones.
Dark Sister by Brussels Beer Project is a fine example imo.
Good to see more black ipa's love the style.
I’ve had the Siren and Signature and really enjoyed them - best of both worlds good malty aftertaste
Completely agree with your definition. Had a few Black IPAs that are just "painted black" at homebrew competitions. **** the BJCP🖕😅
Eight Arch Layer Cake is a fantastic Black IPA
You are right! Love that beer.
Question, I want to make a Black IPA but I've heard some don't add the dark malt the same time as the rest of the grain bill, I was going to add it all in at the same time, what's better?
Love a good black IPA. Should be piney, grapefruit citrus, with a roasted note. Used to be probably 5-10 local breweries that made them maybe 3-5 yrs ago, now down to 1 that does one year round as a core beer, and 1 that does one as a seasonal. There was one from a brewery a province over that we used to get here, that was the best, but no longer brews it. Thankfully they have shared the recipe so us home brewers can try it on our own.
Black Banks Cascadian Ale
5Gal/19l
6.3%, 54IBU, SRM 27
81.6% 2 Row
6.1% Carafa Special III
6.1% Crystal 40
6.1% Vienna
14.25 grams of Simcoe @60 (0.5oz for the metrically impared)
28.5 grams of Simcoe @10
28.5 grams of Amarillo @0
42.75grams of Simcoe dry hop 3 days
42.75grams of Amarillo dry hop 3 days
Water profile like you would a west coast IPA
If you want a little more smoke to it, add a handful of smoked malt, or to add a bit of sweetness and smoke, a handful of Cherry Smoked malt. More coffee character, just add some coffee to the end of the boil
I agree - to me a Black IPA is a West Coast with a hint of the characteristics of darker malts. A brewery in Cleveland, OH called The Brew Kettle has been making their White Rajah west coast IPA for a long time and then started making a black version called Black Rajah. Alll the same hops - to me it is one of the perfect examples of the style.
I think that Ruse Brewing out of Portland, OR has a black IPA that may fit the profile you are speaking about. it's called Dark Beyond the Stars. I enjoyed it for the same reasons why you had mentioned. There may be some cans flowing around. I recommend checking that out. /shrug
This was a good one! We reviewed a Dark Horse Brewery "reserved Black Ale" and decided it was actually a BIPA
Sounds tasty, I'll have to try one! Maybe a cool video idea would be to discuss/battle of the Belgian strong ales? Beers like Kwak, Duvel, Delerium etc. It would be interesting to see what the non-trappist belgian beer has to offer.
Thanks for the thought! We'll look into it!
Cool video. I have never really got black ipa. Have tried a bunch of them and only found one that I liked. For me, it takes 2 styles of beer that I love separately and fails to marry them in a way that I find pleasing. Give me an American stout or cascadian dark ale for hoppy dark, or straight ipa, wcipa or neipa for hoppy.
Yeah that's kind of where we landed with this video! In my head there were some great examples back in 2012-15 but not had one that's blown me away with the recent glut of them
I tried my 1st Black IPA when I started my craft beer journey back in 2015 I think. Anyway, I tried "Firestorm" by Big Storm Brewing in Odessa, FL and I loved it! If I'm out at a craft brewery I'll get one if there is one on the menu, but for some reason I won't buy it when I see it in the stores in cans or bottles.
Totally get this - there are quite a few styles I rarely buy in can or bottle but always grab on draft. I think at home I like the pale sipping beers, and when out at a craft beer place I mix it up more.
Enlightening episode guys. Speaking of Mitch Steele, he is right here in Atlanta where he co-founded New Realm Brewing Co. where they are pumping out some outstanding IPAs. When you guys start traveling again, come check out the craft beer scene in Atlanta and visit New Realm!
Damn we would love to come to Atlanta! I (Jonny) spoke to Mitch for an article about Black IPA and will definitely be visiting one day, sounds like he's built a great brewery there.
@@TheCraftBeerChannel And we'd love to have you! I'll be happy to give you some ideas of breweries to visit. We have a nice mix of older breweries and new.
Not my favourite style of beer but the kernel export India is one of my favourite beers. Kernel can't really do much wrong in all honesty! I would love for you guys to do some work with them at some point. A great brewery who have definately stayed grounded and know how to please the people.
We'd love to do a piece with them. We did an episode with Evin on The Bubble (our podcast) but never filmed there. One day.
I love Black IPAs - didn't know they were out. I do a five gallon, extract recipe, black IPA that turns out great.
We say they are back.... really we mean brewers are trying to bring it back. Whether they succeed is another matter!
I find my extract brews have a liquorice note anyway so cold steeping some cara and chocolate malts as an addition helps create a more rounded beer
@@tanyatranter5578 the last time I did this recipe, I used Cara 40, Cara 60 and midnight wheat as steeping grains.
with Apollo and Falconer Flight hops
Just brewed with talus hops, i did not get any coconut aroma as more of pink grapefruit and the pith of grapefruit. Will have to revisit my beer again. Cheers!
Well the same hops can present it lots of different ways depending on their age, use, dosage etc as well as the yeast, water and malt recipes so if you got grapefruit out of it that's awesome!
@@TheCraftBeerChannel i used the talus for dry hopping about 4 ounces worth made an American IPA. Next time ill try a different approach. Thanks.
such a tricky style, I have tried many but so few have hit the spot of combining my love for IPA and PORTER/STOUT. I think the best one I have ever had is "Hophorn" from HORNBEER brewery in denmark. it is 9,3% so more an I(mperial)BIPA but pretty damn good.
Had Neon Raptor X Black Iris - Rattlesnake Chalice recently and it absolutely nailed the style. Well worth checking out!
Love Black Iris - will seek it out
Great video, great style.
I can highly recommend the Jopen Maria Magdalena series of Black IPA's from Haarlem in the Netherlands. Each featured a prominent hop combination... latest was Citra/Mosaic.
And from the South-west, St Austell Proper Black IPA is also very solid. #BlackIPAsMatter
One stand out BIPA for me recently has been Carnival and Fuerst Wiacek's Together Tomorrow Forever. It's a properly piney west coast BIPA!
This is my favourite style. Great video guys
Give me some examples dawg 😛
Yeah any we should look into as a BIPA lover?
Sign of the southern cross by Weird Beard. Dark side of the moob by northern monk, The darkness within by Leviathan and rattlesnake chalice by Neon Raptor have been great. The Malt Miller's Stone Self richeous IPA also brews nicely at home 👍🍻
I love black ipa. Always wanted to find a good beer to use Vic Secret hops on, this style it does well.
Black IPA is my any day go to. Long Live BIPA! Cheers Gents!
For me the first Black IPA that deserved its name and wasn't either predominantly malty or predominantly hoppy is Black Malts & Body Salts 2.0 by To Øl out of To Øl City. How you can have such a mix of different tastes within a single sip I have only experienced before in barrel aged stouts/porters, while sour beers / IPAs are usually more straightforward and unidimensional (which isn't bad necessarily).
I remember that beer so well - it was one of the best of that brewery's early days. Really complex and moreish.
Possibly the best BIPA I've had, is Beerbibliotek's Crossing the Streams in the Dark (#297).. thus recommended! :)
Friends of mine own a micro brew here in Iowa do one and I really like. But one friend who loves stouts says it isn't black enough and another who likes IPAs says it isn't hoppy enough. I love stouts and don't care for IPAs that seem to be a contest of how much hops can you put in a glass at the sacrifice of flavor.
Oh look what I just found in my fridge..🍺 (need dark beer emoji)
This is exactly the issue! Who is it appealing to?!
Well it is a lot better than the label I misread stating coco stout and it was actually coconut. Second worst beer I have ever had. No idea who drinking alcoholic sun tan lotion appeals to. But losing taste and smell from covid did have one bright side.
I've rarely had a black IPA that I've liked though I still like trying them.
Haha I love this statement of intent.
I'm quite a fan of Black IPA. In Sweden I think Lilla Edets Craftwerk 3.0 is a good candidate.
I thought it was Sabro that was the new "coconutty" hop. I think Talus is more grapefruit/citrusy? I may be wrong. Anyway, great video as always fellas.
I'd agree with that. The Siren and Deya single hopped Talus IPAs were really heavy tangerine and grapefruit. I didn't get any coconut in those (yep, Sabro is the big coconut thing for me).
Sabro is indeed THE coconut hop but we get it off Talus and Sorachi too. Talus is a really unusual hop, bred from a wild Mexican variety. Seems to present differently in every beer (again like Sorachi!)
@@TheCraftBeerChannel how many have you had yet? I've only had those two from the first wave so far but I really enjoyed the flavour profile and I'm keen to try more.
@@TheCraftBeerChannel that's probably because Talus is the sister of Sabro. I personally didn't get much coconut from Talus but that's why hops are amazing. The recent Cloudwater Black TIPA with Sabro was an immense brew!
Really surprised about the mention of the "sorachi coconut" thing. I've always thought of it as being all lemon-citrus. Haven't used it much, but if it also gives coconut, then perhaps I should give it another go!
TBH Sorachi is a weird-ass hop and I've got lemon, coconut, dill, strawberry and all manner of other things from it. To me Talus is similarly weird and wild. If you're after coconut, best go for Sabro.
Fun Fact. Greg Noonan, from Burlington, Vermont was the creator of this style of beer. I've been to his brewpub "The Vermont Pub & Brew" on College St. and had the original black IPA. Skal!
We say that in the video?! But hey! Cool you tried the original Blackwatch!
There’s a lot of beers out there now combining the dark toasty stoutsy creaminess and a bitter floral floral crisp finish
There sure is - seems the hang up people had about it back when BIPA was big has died away
@@TheCraftBeerChannel having said that I think the IPL might be a bigger up and comer than BIPA
So a IBA or a IDA? It's kinda hard to have a pale ale and a black ale at the same time
Haha IPA is too powerful a marketing term to be left out if you can get away with it!
I can't tell if Brad is describing a Black IPA or me. Bitter, burnt and toasty with a little darkness and some coffee in there.
It is truly a style that speaks for me. An enigma, with coffee.
What do you change to make dark lagers vs regular ones? I feel like applying that to an IPA is the most natural fit as to what a black ipa should be... Or just take a dark lager recipe, swap to an ale yeast, throw in a few more hops. Boom! Black IPA
Can you tell I'm not a brewer?!
Erm... Jonny you COULD be a brewer because this is EXACTLY what the original BIPA brewers did. They used carafa Special 3 - a german roasted malt with the husk removed to reduce the roasted astringency. That malt is used in schwarzbier.
Think Eclipse (one of the newer hops from down under) would go really well in a BIPA - mandarin, citrus peel, and pine. I have now tried it in a few styles, and it definitely seemed to suit darker styles well.
Never had a beer with it in - will hunt one down!
@@TheCraftBeerChannel Hopefully it has made it out of Oz already.
Hey, been watching a lot of your videos, and I´m wishing to ask an odd question. Would it be possible to brew a sort of dark malt liquor that can not be classified as a form of imperial stout or extra stout?
any recipe I throw together just ends up looking like a really good stout lol
This is possibly the most hipster look Brad has had since lockdown.
You gotta try the @trinitybrewco hazy Black IPA. It's outstanding!! They were on the BeerFridgePodcast this week!!
I'm curious now. Is "Dark Sister" by the BBP a proper example of a BIPA? have not had it in years, but I remember it being fantastic.
Afraid I've never had it!
Don't really care what it's called but The Kernel Export India Porter really nailed it for me recently, The Siren/Elusive Zombies was pretty neat as well.
Winter Faith by Northern Monk is a brilliant take on a black IPA
I don't think I've had it but will track some down...I assume in winter!
For me, being old school and after falling in love with El Jefe ( Alchemist ) and Shaun Hill's Darkside Black, I think any black IPA needs, absolutely must, be loaded with Simcoe ... piney, resine, and a good underlying bitterness. It should not be astringent ( Carafa III ), and definitely not juicy.
The raven from treehouse is an amazing black ipa
I just cracked open a black IPA and sat down to eat, just to find this video about black IPA.... coincidence? I think not.
Sounds like divine intervention to me.
I like the name "cascadian dark ale" because it doesn't give expectation of IPA hops character, and it's less nonsense than BLACK India PALE ale lol. Talus, Sabro and other coconut aroma hops are great in this style if you don't have IPA aroma expectations :)
In our minds Cascadian Dark Ale is a different style - it originated in Oregon a few years after the BIPA and is generally lower ABV and much less hoppy.
@@TheCraftBeerChannel now we need a video about cascadian dark ales !
My favourite Cascadian Dark Ale (I'll never call it a Black IPA due to being a stupid name) is Great Heck - Black Jesus
Real sad that the brewery went under, they made great beer. But Cascadian Dark Ale is a different style to Black IPA - it's lower ABV, drier and less hoppy too. It comes from Oregon, while the BIPA is from New England.
Correct on the name. Beer&Wine Hobby in Danver MA make a kit they call Dirty Water Cascadian Dark. I've made it a couple of times. Has always come our well.
I damn well love a decent Black IPA 🤤
Maybe it's that whole thing of tasting with your eyes but I can't get on board with it. When I chuck down a pint of the black I want porter or stout anything slightly hoppy in there is gonna throw me off kilter. That said have never had a truly hoppy BIPA. Only sudsy, toasty ones.
Would be interested to learn more about neomexicanus!
Haha god me too! I need to get reading.
You gents can have a like just for the AC/DC and Soundgarden references!
Stone Sublimely Self-Righteous Black IPA should be included. IT was THE black IPA for me.
I'd argue it still is! And it's BACK in the States, not in the UK yet.
@@TheCraftBeerChannel That is mostly a problem for our friends at the Stone Brewing Company. Maybe they will start shipping more variety of their beer in cans around the world. In Finland right now and I see only Stone IPA here.
11:00 for all the bottle opener fans out there
Need to make an instagram account for it.
How can you not mention Saltaire?
Guinness extra stout.
What abv are we talking about for these black ipa’s
I've often looked at black IPA in the shops and just gone, "but why?" and walked on by. Never felt moved to try one.
I'm assuming this video didn't help?
@@TheCraftBeerChannel Too many other things to try!!
Do you ever allow the camera crew to finish off your half opened cans?
Camera crew?! It's just me and Brad on all our shoots. Which means the answer is yes, we finish them ALL!
I’m surprised you never addressed the most obvious question of how can a thing be black and pale at the same time? Haha. Anyway, I’m loving the expert tasting, as usual, and the wonderful flavor descriptors Brad comes up with. “Forest fire” and “The shade of a mango tree.” The latter was a collabo, I guess, and Jonny tweaked the former into “burnt forest.” What a treat to watch.
Btw, I’m inspired by Brad’s shirt to share a short obit from last summer I’m sure you haven’t seen. It’s from a local Hudson Valley magazine that had the photo as the cover last August.
www.chronogram.com/hudsonvalley/on-the-cover-portrait-of-milton-glaser-by-franco-vogt-august-2020/Content?oid=11026008
Enjoy!
Thanks for the link! And for the kind words. We didn't worry too much about the Black and Pale thing - beer names are littered with contradictions and always have been. Barley Wine isn't a wine etc!
Best two I've had (and by some distance) are:
Tool - Black Malts and Body Salts
Weird Beard x Time & Tide - Call Your Friends
That collab was out of this world good. Wish it wasn't a one off. 😪 Not counting export India porters though as if I was then Kernel would be top of that list. The double is maybe my favourite beer of all time.
I think Roasty Toasty was an AC/DC song only available on bootleg tapes...
🎵Whole lotta Roastie🎵
They really should be called an IBA (India Black Ale).
Have never particularly been a fan of the "chocolate orange" effect of a black IPA. Red IPA has more going for it but doesn't get an ounce of hype.
Except on this channel! ua-cam.com/video/h_TOGMdORMU/v-deo.html
What even is that tapping you do on the cans?!
As kids we were told doing so stopped it foaming over. Studies show this is nonsense, but we still do it out of habit.
This is one of those beer styles I'm just indifferent to, I find them pretty inoffensive and will happily drink them if they come in a beer subscription package or something but won't go out of my way to buy them nor do they exactly blow my hair back!
"burn't forest"...lol. I fell hard for Sierra Nevada Stout decades ago for it's evergreen spin on what a spicy stout should be. But it is definitely a stout. Now I'm more confused than ever after watching this as to what a black IPA actually is. But that's ok. Emphasizing any creation that isn't loaded down with Citra and juicy juice hops is refreshing in itself! I still can't understand our current world in which beer drinkers are so fixated on their favorite imbibement tasting like a morning glass of grapefruit juice. Gwyuck!🤮
I had a black ipa the other day and actually really didn’t like it, to be honest it was like a watery guiness.... maybe my palate is immature!
Sounds like the beer's fault, not yours! There should have been bags of hop aroma and decent of malt depth too - beyond the roast there needs to be some cara-like character.
But I am a fan of Black IPA'S and red as well.
@@TheCraftBeerChannel thanks for the reply, love your channel, keep it up!
I have always refused to make them, because everyone I've ever had has been a glass full of butting, incongruent, harsh flavours.
I mean we have had some wonderful hoppy dark beers but it's a really tough line to tread
What is that SMEG thing? A fridge?
Haha the opposite! A heater!
It should be called India Black Ale
Black IPA vs Tropical Stout? Hmmmmm
Ha! Yeah... so I guess that's basically a dry hopped stout - so loads of roast. Not had one I've really enjoyed yet.
@@TheCraftBeerChannel yeh so many competing flavours. Have you ever had a beer that is pretty much 100% on all flavour fronts? (Triple dry hopped Sour pastry imperial stout with a bourbon vanilla saison chaser?!)
Why not call it an India Black Ale?
Great point, probably because IPA is basically a brand at this point.
so, the best Black IPA is a Porter haha
Haha - the best beer certainly! But too roasty for a BIPA
Why is is called a black IPA and not an IBA?
Not sure, but it should be
I'll be honest. I didn't even know black IPA existed until i watched this video just now.
Back when we were… bastards. :D
All answers given are all wrong but also are all right.....black IPA is a oxymoron and should be brewed as such....I think the aroma should be all IPA with no dark elements but the taste should have the hint of coffee and dark caramel. I can say categorically that the cloudwater 6th birthday "black imperial ipas" were definitely not black IPAs in anyway shape or form...
We didn't have the Cloudwater ones (a triple Black IPA is a terrifying thought) but I agree on your definition and the Siren came closest. Just needed for hoppy character.
@@TheCraftBeerChannel had all three, Mr. Derbyshire informed me that he heard the base was the same base as persistence is Utile....which is a impy stout....so were really hoppy impy stouts, the Sabro one was nice though....but not a triple black IPA...
No, it's never coming back.
JUST YOU WATCH.....yeah you are probs right.
@@TheCraftBeerChannel lol's, I just don't get them, i've had 3 that i've really liked
Nasty.... That's what black IPA is.