2 weeks before I got my ID3, the battery on my Fiesta died. I didn't want to invest in a new battery, so I borrowed the booster from my boss and always started the Fiesta with it. After the ID3 was there, I gave the booster back to my boss and said "haha, I'll never need it again!" ... I hope that wasn't a lie. :D
@@BatteryLife selber Schuld... wenn man sich so einen wagen gegen das Volk kauft ... wo die test Phase auf dem Rücken des Kunden ausgetragen wird und vw überhaupt kein Interesse hat ein Nutzerfreundliches auto zu bauen... sondern nur Bilanzen verbessert... und dann auch noch über 30k dafür bezahlt ... die lachen uns alle aus
I'm dealing with an intermittent transmission failure. After searching for a long time, I found the transmission is ok, but the EGR and the variable geometry of the turbo are gone. Carbon residue after 90'000km. I almost envy you for the fact that your problem can be fixed with a software update :-) My next will be a BEV too. Sick and tired of ICE cars.
Exactly this happened my id3 two weeks ago. The car was towed to the dealer and they said there was nothing wrong with it. They claimed that VW said they had never heard of this error.
I saw another video today that a ID3 just randomly died, the guy just had it for a few hours.. xD Great product.. I'll stick with my Diesel for a few more years.
@@KJSvitko who said anything about being careless? It's more of an ease of mind. I have them on all 4 doors of my prius and i'm always calm of touching my door edge to an other car, tree, wall, pole, etc.
My Harley Davidson gets a battery tender which when the bike is parked (ride on weekends) keeps the battery topped up. If I had to wait two or more weeks for a fix, I’d consider a trickle charger for the 12V battery. Two days idle is essentially a weekend’s time so a trickle charger may be inconvenient but worth the investment. Just a thought, Chris.
My wife just got her id.3 today. But yesterday VW had a major SW f-up. All the dealers in Denmark couldn't get the new cars out of transport mode, so the cars couldn't be handed over to the customers. I bet some SW engineers worked overnight to fix the issue..... VW really has a steep learning curve on SW ahead of them. Still the car is a well made, solid, practical, comfortable car and my wife really loves it. Everything (but the SW) just works to perfection. The matrix headlights are phenomenal. Model 3 has very good headlights but the id.3 has even better. Personally I still prefer my Model 3 - but I get why she likes it so much.
People usually say that "Tesla is like Apple"... and I usually reply "yes, but at least Apple know how to make good quality hardware". :D Tesla is more for geeks and people who travel longer distances and prefer unique software features (ie. the elementary farting) and don't care that much about costs and quality. VW pays attention to detail and functional design, like the LED matrix which is awesome and not much EVs have those yet, other than the Audi e-trons. Yes, it is unfortunate that VW had to hire 3000 new software engineers to rework the software for the ID family which had to be delivered as promised, but also with a true promise, that the software will be made a lot better in the future (also OTA, like Tesla).
@@andyfraser5876 Yes, you are right, that is including the "not much EVs have those". Strange, that same platform and system, but the brother of Corsa-e, the e-208 does not have LED matrix even as option.
That's not true. I used to work in that business. The proverb you wrote does not apply to all car Brands. For example, VW checks for flaws on the Skoda 2 years and then release new VW model. Same thing do Renault with Dacia. I'm not saying you wrong generaly, but there are exceptions. Regards
@@sasavukic6968 Having dozens of people testing for the company is good, but having thousands using them out in real world conditions is better. I bet no matter how much testing they do, the second year is further improved/refined. :-)
A person who can't even charge a 12V battery (or buy a decent battery booster... and charge it before use)... drives a Nissan Leaf. Yepp... typical. The worse kind of people are the ones who even own one! LOL
I too have the same issue, with my ID.3. After a couple of days not using the car the 12 volt battery was drained, and the car was totally dead. The key fob wouldn’t open the doors. On opening the ID.3 with the emergency key, the car was non responsive; no lights, no sounds, nothing! The car only came back to life after breakdown recovery, recharged the 12 volt battery. The main high voltage battery was still at over 70% charge. My VW dealership haven’t been able to identify any problems with the car. Stephen
If you need to connect the booster again, connect only positive clamp to the battery, and then the black one somewhere on the metal chassis. Then you don't have to reach for the hard to get negative terminal, and you also keep potential sparks away from the battery (which can produce a small amount of flammable H2 gas). When disconnecting, black clamp should be removed first (again to avoid sparks around the battery).
Doesn't it produce H2 only when charging? How about the O that is coming out too? BTW, the terminals were not ON the battery. The ID.3 has a battery cover anyway (with a BMS) and with AGM technology it's battery will not gas out that much if at all.
@@attilazk Yes, but the purpose of attaching the booster is indeed to charge it, hence the H2+spark risk when disconnecting. The terminals used in the video are on top of the battery, thus where H2 might be (I'm not sure if ID.3 as a battery ventilation hose bringing this elsewhere, typically only seen on cars with the battery inside the cabin). Connecting/disconnecting the red terminal by itself close to battery is not a concern, when the negative booster clamp is disconnected. The point is to close/open the booster circuit with the negative clamp somewhere away from the battery, which can be done to any conductive part of the chassis. O2 is not a concern, as the small amounts coming out is not significantly changing the 21% that already is in the air. A small dose of H2 can anyhow do a lot of damage.
Hi Chris, I want to thank you for all your ID.3 videos as I purchased a second hand one which has done 1,600 miles a couple of weeks ago. I have some woes to report. After about 4 days of receiving BOB (that’s what I named it … I think BOB would like Walter), I connected the car to the we connect app and I immediately got two issues: Please check left dipped beam. Then I got Error, dynamic cornering light. At this point I am on holiday in Cornwall, UK so there was no dealer with availability. I kept driving it for the rest of the holiday and found the infotainment system started misbehaving. Sometimes it would not play music from apple air play and other times it would not allow me to change the background as it said something about the option not being available. I also got another warning pop up; Front assist availability is limited. I took it to Volkswagen Basingstoke on Monday this week and they ran the diagnostics and it came back that the left front light was faulty! So they replaced it and the sensor with another they had ordered in but that didn’t fix it. So later Monday they ordered another front light and light sensor and today on Tuesday they replaced it again and it fixed it and the errors all went away. So the dealer rang me up and I picked the car up Driving it home was fine. No warnings .. all good so far. Then I went out in the evening and the Front assist availability is limited warning popped up again. I stopped at a shop then got back in after shopping (about 5 mins) then drove off again and that warning didn’t appear. However further down the road I got a new warning: Electric drive not working correctly. Please visit workshop. (This one was alarming) So I have had a 2 month old car for 2 weeks and had 5 different faults and a front headlight replaced! This is such a shame as I love the car. Update: In the morning I took it back in first thing and cutting a long story short, it has a faulty drive train! So it has to go back to Volkswagen to get sorted which will take approx 12-14 weeks. I guess parts are an issue. At this point I could get a full refund, but I opted to be loaned a new brand new golf 8 until my ID.3 is fixed. If I have any more problems after that, I still have the option of a full refund as I will have this in writing. Here’s hoping BOB is fixed properly when he come back from his adventure and all will be well.
I have a VW ID3 that has traveled 2000 km and today the heat broke inside the car only cold air from the fan. But I managed to fix it so now I share with you how to do. Open the bonnet and find the starter battery on the right side. Take a 10mm tool and write off the minus pole. Then wait for 10 seconds and turn it on again. Now your heating fan works again :) Works safely on many more electrical faults on the car as well :)
🤣 Love the IT Crowd... The reason this quote is so very funny is because its true :). you know this if you work in IT... and going forward your ev dealer will ask you to try the same... 😂
Thank you for making detailed aspects of the ID3. I love this ID3 and the fact that VW finally moved into electric vehicle future But really like that you love ID3, but still analyse its good and bad things with total fairness. Appreciate your wife's opinions also about it. Indeed these cars are initially for nerds like us :) :) Will continue to watch your presentations about it. Its natural for it to have initial flaws, coz if VW got an electric vehicle perfect from first model, that would be a miracle. Great job by VW and thanks for its initiative to move with full power into environmentally friendly mode! Cheers!!!
@@adalmartinez2340 Correct, but even better. Coz normally they would never move, they were doing pretty good. The scam was the best thing that happened for the world eventually
Sorry to hear about your problem but it seems easily to be fixed in an update. Cool to see your reaction to this issue - - > no problem. Can you tell me what software version is in your car and when it will be fixed? Is it in the main update next year? I will get my ID.3 on October 30th. 😊
Hi Chris, I have exactly the same problem as you, the only difference is that my ID3 is blocked at the dealership! I called for assistance, I saw the car restart with the booster but it was taken back to Volkvagen ... Thank you for your videos, they give me lots of information about my own car! Thierry from France (with the help of Google Translate because I do not speak English well)
The headlights are a huge drain on the 12 volt battery. It should automatically turn off the headlights when the battery is low and the car is in park.
Hi Chris, I Have a 2019 Kia Soul EV and the only way to keep it's 12 volt battery up is by regularly driving it, or charging the main drive Highvoltage battery. My new 2020 Kia Soul EV (64KWH) has a 12volt battery keeper in the setup screen, the system will start the 400VDC to 12VDC converter to top up the battery when necessary, check you manual to see if you have that option.
Have you asked Kia if there is a Technical Service Bulletin for a BMS update to correct this? Hyundai (parent company of Kia) did this for the 2019-2020 Kona EVs. This update actually removed the "Aux Battery Saver" as an owner adjustable option and solved the dead 12V battery issues some owners experienced. I'd be surprised if Kia haven't done this yet.
So, the 12 volt battery on my MiEV was dying this weekend and I could briefly resurrect it by plugging in the EVSE which also kicks on the 12 volt dc/dc. But you need a teeny bit of 12 volt left to get the contactor for the traction pack going. Also, if the booster works, just turn on the ignition which will enable the 12 charger, and remove the boost pack and leave it on for 10 minutes and you should have charged the 12v battery enough. Does not require actual driving, just time. Just like charging the car.
Totally normal problem to have on an EV. Certainly not unique to VW. It took other brands years to sort this problem. Most of us experienced EVers are not judging VW by this problem, but we are watching how long it takes them to fix it. Most comments here are overeacting. It's not like the roof blew off driving home from the dealer or anything crazy like that....
I have a tracker on mine which tends to give me advanced warning if the 12v is getting low. I also use a C-TEK MXS5.0 12v smart trickle charger to top it up where necessary or to recondition the battery.
Same story here,first i had airbag failure yellow and dealer have to contact volkswagen for installation procedure ... they Saïd raplace nattere 12 v, don that and testen ,then everyting on steering Wheel callapsed so car was returning to dealer same workmethode ,now they replaced the J533 canbus unit thats the mainframe safety checker ,my car was 10 days away by second repair , the brought it yesterday to my house,so at night we wanted to make a test in id3 ,and error again light assist so today back to dealer have the car more days on the dealer than enjoying it , maybe you can tell volkswagen contact about this, have lost my trust in the car en volkswagen
I know the GOLF GTE had issues with some chargers keeping the 12v systems active while it was on a timer and not charging and this would drain the battery
Also remember these cars were sitting at storage yards for a long time before delivery. Not healthy for 12v battery so try get a new replacement from the dealer
Not true, agm batteries have very little to non drain if the car is shut off properly before delivery as it should be. Normal lead acid does lose energy but not a modern agm. We use them in diesel generator start up batteries.
@@Deuxiit Even if a car is shut off it still consumes a little bit of electricity, all modern cars do this. This may be not much, but over months it's enough to drain a 12 V battery. I drive only little with my ICE car, however I have to use a charger if I don't use it for more than 4 weeks to prevent it from emptying the 12 V battery. Your diesel generator is completely switched off if you switch it off, it has no clock, and no radio which needs electricity for data storage
Great informative video. Do you have any info on the differences between the interior of the id3 and the e-gulf? I have heard that the e gulf is actually nicer with a more upscale feel to it, ie less hard plastic than the id3.
Chris, both the Kia E-Niro and the Hyundai Kona have a setting that allows the main battery to charge the 12 volt battery. Without this set, the 12 volt battery will run down. Maybe the ID3 has a similar setting? I also think that the cars were sitting for months in fields and Leipzig airport after they were made. This surely resulted in the 12 volt batteries draining?
One thing you could try if the update doesn't work is to connect a float battery maintainer to your 12V battery. These are between 0.75A and 1.5A, just enough to trickle charge, but not over charge your 12V battery. Not that you should have to use one, as they should fix the software problem, but in case it lingers fir repair. I use one of these on my ICE car when driving my EV most of the time.
Excellent video. I experienced this terrific event yesterday morning. Last time I drove the car was saturday morning. i tested 3 V tension so I suppose that the battery had been undercharged since time. I really had no knowledge about this bug. The software is still the old version. Bought the car at the end of november. Very disappointed.
@@BatteryLife what I meant was, if it’s just a software update why do you need to take it in at all? Just push the software OTA. It’s short sighted of VW to stick with the old way of only doing software updates by having the dealer plug in a CANBUS cable.
@@andreacoppini First of all, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHOUT! The ID.3 was the first VW to have OTA. The old staff was failing to make it reliable, so VW hired 3000 new software engineers who rewrote the system from the basics. They could develop to a level where the ID.3s can get to customers. Some of the ECUs already have OTA capability, but not all. One such is this CAN level one that has the draining issue. The complete, full functional software is expected to be ready before next summer.
Thanks Chris for another honest real world, 'tell it as it is' post. Glad you can laugh if off like you do... saying that, maybe it would have been a different story if Mrs Battery Life had been the one to discover the car flat as a pancake? Your many videos helped us decide some time back to go for the Kia Soul EV instead of waiting for the ID3. Your recent videos are still confirming that decision to be correct! As you know, nearly all of your 30 wish list improvements on the software, are already implemented on the Kia... as is of course the improved regen strength and control. If the ID3 had real switches, rock solid software, and 7 year warranty/free data usage (like the Soul EV), then it would be a different story entirely... but so far, absolutely no regrets going Kia! (from a previous 6x VW /Skoda owner). As an aside, I think 'soft' regen is something you are generally going to find designed into rear wheel drive EVs (as a precaution) to improve power lift off stability in poor (icy) conditions. Yes, I know you and I would likely look at the weather and switch to minimum regen, but just think of the other 'turn it on and drive' owners... it would be like watching a bunch of RWD BMW drivers... a slipping and a sliding (hilarious)!
@@abraxastulammo9940 In the UK, almost nobody runs winter tyres, so on the random few days we get snow or ice, it is total carnage! Since the dawn of motoring, braking has been rightly biased to the front of the vehicle... in the ball park of 60/40. RWD regen braking would give you 0/100... which is absolutely fine in normal driving, but obviously not desirable in snow, ice or say muddy conditions. In that situation you are heavily dependent on the stability software! Traction is a different matter of course... FWD for everyday driving, RWD for fun, and AWD for maximum safety. The Kia Soul (FWD) has a measured delivery of torque (from rest) to combat wheel spin, unlike it's sibling the Hyundai Kona, which is a bit squirrely. Chris likes his RWD power delivery, which is his choice! When we bought the Soul, we tried the maximum regen level (which to me feels adequate for one pedal driving), but settled on regen level 1 (of 3), and Auto Regen. This gives a much more comfortable driving / passenger experience... and still gives you maximum automatic regen when approaching roundabouts, junctions, traffic, parked cars, etc, etc. I know auto regen is not popular on most other brands of EV (the few that have it fitted, anyway), but Kia / Hyundai seem to have it mastered, fantastically! I've recently owned mid engined, RWD cars that were the best driving experience ever... but now owning an EV with 200ps of instant torque, I'd be a little worried what an in experienced driver could do on a tight roundabout... in the snow, or even wet... with that applied to the rear wheels?
@@stvutelvc The Kia Soul does not work at all on snow, see ua-cam.com/video/NO5gQ80Bke4/v-deo.htmlm50s 😱 ID.3 has no problems: ua-cam.com/video/nKuLICPP0Rk/v-deo.html
It doesn‘t make sens to drive the car if the 12 V battery is down because E-Cars has no alternator. E-cars use a DC-to-DC step down converter from the 400 volt traction battery to recharge the 12 V battery. It‘s sufficient to start the car and switch into park mode and wait 30 minutes until 12V battery is recharged.
Can’t help with electrics but the narrow garage, that I can help with. If you want to make sure the car doors don’t get scratched getting in and out. Just stick some thin, (10mm will do) foam sheet to the wall/s, where the front & back doors would touch the walls. I use exercise mat in two garages. I also carry a cut-off strip in the trunk/boot, roughly 15cm wide x 90cm long. So if I open the trunk/boot lid in a low roofed area, such as a multi-storey car park. I can protect the lid from impacting the roof. It need to be long enough, so you hold one end with one hand, while opening the lid with the other. I learned the hard way, when a friend opened my boot of a new car, the lid hit the kayaks we were carrying. The kayaks were fine but the lid’s paint got chipped.
I see a few people here suggesting that you can charge the 12v battery from the hv battery by placing the car in N or D. Is it possible to do that without first having had to boost the 12v battery?
Thanks for that and glad you got it sorted. I think I would have been a bit less mellow than you appeared to be. Also interesting that it is not only new Teslas that have issues.
Maybe if they didn't leave these id3 the best part of a year parked up before they started selling them then they would not have issues with the 12v battery.
the 12 v battery should last longer than a year though, but yes it may be worth taking the car to a third party battery place and having the 12v battery tested to see if it needs replacing
After not driving for a few weeks, this sometimes happens to my Prius as well. Because it also only needs the 12 volt battery to boot up the system, these tiny power banks with an additional 12 volt connector have it going again in a minute. I paid $25 for mine and works like a charm (and fits any glove compartment.)
@timemachine_194 It takes roughly 2 kW to crank a small engine. You'd have to transfer enough energy to the starter battery before turning the engine. As long as the current is limited to the appropriate amperage the auxiliary/starter battery can be changed via a 12 V outlet in most cars.
Hi, I have the same case with my e-Golf zwo year ago After Picking Up in Dresden. After the Update ist works up to today fine. You have a garage, this meins That you can leg the car in Drive ready Mode and leg the 12V battery charge from the driving battery. Turn the liegt from Auto into of and take the time for the charging. The erforscht schuld disappear After a time of driving.
Does the ID.3 not recharge the 12V battery periodically when parked? I know my Kia e-Niro does it. There's a light on the dash which flashes when it's topping up the 12V.
@@BatteryLife perhaps it has it - otherwise how would it power the connected features, alarm and keyless entry? But it's possible that the bus causing the vampire drain uses more than can be supplied.
It's a very long time ago that I was into electronics - but this seems something like the crudest piece of even analog kit could cure - basic low voltage power supply permanent hooked up to main battery and trickle charging 12V - when drops below threshold. Amazing this can occur -especially the time thay have had to develop and test. Anyway - thanks for report , though this is not good to hear. At all
VW was always going to have this problem, it’s just a repeat of the Taycan 12V problem that’s still not fixed! In fact, still not acknowledged as a problem by Porsche, let alone fixed!
Hi, had the same problem last Sunday. I left my ID idle for 2 days and my 12V dropped to 11.3V when first 12V low warning came on. I took car for 10min drive, then parked and 4 hrs later could not start it. If you will not connect the 12V battery to charger tonight then you will have the same problem in the morning. Unfortunately now, 12V is only charged from hiVolt when Ignition is ON (you don't have to drive, ignore that stupid message on the screen). I measured my voltage for few days now and lost on average 0.37V overnight. I drive 40km on average day and this allows me to keep my 12V balance on 0. Get the charger Bro or you will be stranded tomorrow again 😉
11:35 "Maneuver braking" is when the car brakes automatically during low-speed parking maneuvers due to the Parking Sensors seeing an obstacle too close. It can be temporarily disabled from the Parking Sensors screen, there is a "Settings" wheel to get to the setting.
I will give you a tip When you start your car cold in the morning buckle up the seatbelt so the car will run the fan on full power when you remove the ice :)
Only a bug could (or a default battery) could cause this problem. My ID3 even parked during 3 hours on saturday, with loud music ON and 2 phones charging, recharged the 12v battery with "N" on. No other problems whatsoever.
I really enjoy you posting the good, bad, and the ugly of the ID.3. would be curious to know if the e brake warning went off as your drove and charged up the 12V battery
to recharge 12 V battery by HV battery when 12 V battery is going to drain (for whatever reason), is a standard/optional feature of other cars like Kona Elektro. Should be standard in all cars ...
If the electronic parking brake fails, does the car just roll away in Park? Or is there redundancy -- like a parking pawl on an automatic transmission car? I know on the BMW i3 there's a parking pawl in addition to the electronic parking brake, whereas with Teslas, there is no redundancy -- only the electronic parking brake.
My dad had this on his Kona because he doesn't closed the trunk properly. I bought a powerbank with 12V outlet for this case. And the 12V battery is also been charged when you charge the car at home on AC.
Exactly. Good solution. But this guy never said that he left anything on. However, the ID.3 has many functions running even if you are not at the car, so if you don't use it for days, this can happen (like for some other new cars too).
@@attilazk The HV battery is designed to charge the 12V battery based on "normal" power drain. The cannbuss issue was not accounted for, resulting in the 12V battery draining before it could be recharged. VW should do two items to correct this: 1. Repair/replace the cannbuss that caused the issue 2. Update the BMS to recognize the 12V battery needs to be charged before it drains and send out an error message before that happens.
@@ScubaSteveCanada While you are right, and obviously VW found out already and made a solution, I don't know why you are writing this to me. :o) #2 would be practical, but as a hint, I am not aware of other manufacturers using such logic by default. Even Hyundai has it only as an option.
I have a 37-year-old Citroën CX and I get frustrated with it when the battery doesn’t last for 6 weeks without using it. Looks like there’s nothing new under the sun. I don’t miss new cars or tech ;o)
Does anyone know which version of firmware is needed in the ID3 to fix the problem? That way we could preemptively book our cars in at the dealers for an update.
is there no aux battery saver to prevent the 12v going dead. like in ioniq. 1 - does the aux battery only charge when driving but how far or how long does it take to charge back up. 2 - is there no other way to charge up the 12v eg connecting to home charger. turning on main battery in car on does not that charge the battery when just parked. how long does it take to charge up the battery. I ask these as my ioniq seems to use the aux battery saver any day not driven or do not drive for a long period.
I really do admire your positive attitude over this....I would be spitting bullets. VW should have given all 1st Edition owners a two month free trial before a financial commitment.
Without the fault, is the ID3 supposed to maintain the 12v battery off the high voltage pack automatically when the car is left standing? I’m only aware of the Korean brands doing this so far.
1.Edition....oder wie ich inzwischen sage: erster Versuch;ist für mich trotzdem ein Favorit...in 1-2 Jahren,bis dahin sollten die Softwareprobleme beseitigt sein.
In spite of your problems, it's still a lovely car. One thing I would be tempted to do, is fix some cheap carpet/rubber/ floor vinyl to the walls of your garage. It's a bit tight in there and it would be a shame to damage the edges of your door.
Struggling to understand the problem. Is this right... "bus" draining 12v battery more than it should so it went flat. But does the drive train battery not charge the 12v battery when it gets low? I just assumed it would.
But what if you go on a holiday for a month without taking your car? Imagine heating the car every day for a month 🙈 The 12V battery needs to be fine unless your main battery is completely drained as well.
If you plan to leave your ID.3 again for some days like this, you should set your charge limit to around 60% and leave it plugged into an AC charger, to test whether or not this keeps your 12v battery topped up.
When you jumpstart your car, allways connect positive leads first for safety reason! It doesn´t matter if it is a electric car or not. Afterwards disconnect the negative lead first.
This problem will never happen to my ID.3 when I park it at home because I always connect the 12v battery to my C-TEK battery manager/charger/conditioner which keeps it topped up all the time. For many years I have been connecting my old classic cars to my C-TEK when I put them away in the garage (and also my VW XL1) so this is nothing new for me to do! However, now I also always take the C-TEK with me when I stay away from home. I hope VW will solve this 12v battery drain problem soon....
Both of you guys are smart and know how to avoid such problems the right way, with (battery) care. BTW, I also use an MXS 5.0 once in a while, just in case, especially before and during winter season. Oh, yes, and one more thumbs up for that XL1. Take care.
@@ScubaSteveCanada sure, I currently have a Renault Zoe Wich is kind of "mature" but reading the forums it definitely had some issues at the beginning too... I'm just letting other deal with that
@@bmallory Very astute ;-) I'm afraid I can't wait that long. I'm interested in the Zoe, but I do find the ID.3 more tempting, to be quite honest. I like how the Zoe drives, but the charging is kind of slow even with CCS AND, worst of all, the seats. Still, it's a lovely little car ... We'll see.
Is there any way of knowing which id.3s have the issue? I often don't drive mine for a couple of days but so far have had no issues. But I'm now very nervous about going away on any long trips with the car :(
@Shibby Rj Same here, mine stands in the garage for several days at a time but no issues so far. HOWEVER I was so worried about it happening that I now use a C-TEK battery conditioner which is connected to the terminals of the 12v battery all the time when the car is not being used for a day or two, and keeps it topped up to full charge all the time. I have even also installed a C-TEK wireless (bluetooth) battery monitor which works together with a mobile phone app, so that each time I'm about to use the car I can first look at the app to see what the state of charge is on the 12v battery! And just to make absolutely sure I won't get stranded away from home, I also keep in the car a small compact 12v battery booster pack so that if the car ends up dead due to a totally flat 12v battery I'll be able to "jump start" it with that. I also keep the C-TEK charger in the car on trips! Might seem over the top but not a big investment for peace of mind, and very simple to fit and/or use, and can be used on my other cars too. Here's a UA-cam video I just uploaded about all this: ua-cam.com/video/5ldL5zAIO5A/v-deo.html
Funny. How is your Leaf's battery SOH? Below 75% in 3 years? PTC heating elements going dead? Front strut head full of rust yet? Had a navigation or map update that is newer than 2016? Rear view mirrors still fold... without silly noise? Never mind the #RapidGate problem... Yes, it's good enough for backup, that's it. :D
I have a model 3 and a Renault Zoe, the last one we do'nt use much. Same problem.. Now and then i use the keyfob to wake up the car and switch on DC/DC converter to charge the 12v battery. Booster i used once after a 3 week holiday... VW could have now this if they did their home work.. I don't think a software update will solve this problem.. It's a design flaw.
That's bad luck ☹️, I hope your dealer can get this repaired asap. My client's Volvo XC90 hybrid 12V system failed and left him four times on the road. That happened during 8 months and the dealer couldn't repair the car and told that they must send it to Sweden and it will take few months to get it back... They offered him some beat up S40 for a loaner 😂. He got mad and sold the Volvo on that spot. But my brother has a diesel V70 Volvo that has worked quite well.
How comes that pretty much every electric car does have a problem with the 12v battery? Shouldn't the car recognize a low 12v battery and charge it, even if it's parked?
Chris you are going to find this sort of thing being early adopter, hope you get the update soon to fix, guess you will keep booster charged up. 2 days to drain the 12V not good though VW should have that sorted before delivery.
0:45 Atleast you have a mechanical emergency key, try that on a Tesla... :) Unfortunately many EV and hybrids suffer from problems draining the little 12V- battery. We got that pretty solid with older cars but to me it seems EV´s lack something. Maybe the 12V batteries are too small or get drained too fast while parked...
@@BatteryLife Hä?! Sicherheit?! Was für ne Sicherheit, das machen alle andere Hersteller, selbst Kia und Hyundai, Tesla sowieso. Da sehen wir also in der Realität wie VW hinterher läuft. Da wird es noch 3-4 Jahre brauchen, bis die Autos ausgereift sind.
@timemachine_194 Ein Tesla wird bestimmt nicht "komplett leer", das Auto verbraucht gerade mal 10Watt um alle System zu überwachen. Bei 24 Stunden am Tag und 75kWh macht das ungefähr 1 Jahr bis der Wagen "komplett leer " ist. Bitte vorher genau informieren. sonst war auch viel Unwissenheit im kommentar. Ich bleibe dabei, VW ist zwar nicht so ganz hinten wie Daimler und BMW aber schon ganz, ganz hinten.
@timemachine_194 6% pro Monat sind also 72% im Jahr, habe ich was anders gesagt?! Und das verbrannte Geld ist ca. 20€ im Jahr, dann lieber VW und 50€ für einen Adapter und Termin mach 2 Wochen:) Nein danke:)
That’s really bad news Chris, I hope you can get it resolved and working as quickly as possible! Hopefully VW will step up and help you quickly.
2 weeks before I got my ID3, the battery on my Fiesta died. I didn't want to invest in a new battery, so I borrowed the booster from my boss and always started the Fiesta with it.
After the ID3 was there, I gave the booster back to my boss and said "haha, I'll never need it again!" ...
I hope that wasn't a lie. :D
Haha let’s hope the booster is the only help you need with a Volkswagen.
@@zapfkopf yeah :) watch out for german quality...
@@5LeTT watch out for Volkswagen quality. ;-)
Just give 50€ and buy a new battery for fiesta
You're remarkably calm considering how expensive these things are! You really do expect better than this.
It is not about the money. I love this car. I want to enjoy it. Sadly a lot of problems.
@@BatteryLife selber Schuld... wenn man sich so einen wagen gegen das Volk kauft ... wo die test Phase auf dem Rücken des Kunden ausgetragen wird und vw überhaupt kein Interesse hat ein Nutzerfreundliches auto zu bauen... sondern nur Bilanzen verbessert... und dann auch noch über 30k dafür bezahlt ... die lachen uns alle aus
@@BatteryLife - It's not unusual for the first model to have issues. Early adopters are essentially Beta testers.
I'm dealing with an intermittent transmission failure. After searching for a long time, I found the transmission is ok, but the EGR and the variable geometry of the turbo are gone. Carbon residue after 90'000km. I almost envy you for the fact that your problem can be fixed with a software update :-)
My next will be a BEV too. Sick and tired of ICE cars.
Similar issues with the Polestar 2. The HVAC (heating, ventilation and air conditioning) module drains the 12v battery.
Exactly this happened my id3 two weeks ago. The car was towed to the dealer and they said there was nothing wrong with it. They claimed that VW said they had never heard of this error.
I saw another video today that a ID3 just randomly died, the guy just had it for a few hours.. xD Great product.. I'll stick with my Diesel for a few more years.
🤣🤣🤣
@@tgrkiller Little hint: Your sticky Diesel has also stucky starters and dying batteries. So you're doomed either way. 🤷🏻♂️😉
VW have never heard of problems of their cars...
@@louisvanrijn3964 In Wolfsburg is quite a chaos with so many defective ID.3s coming there now. 🤷🏻♂️
You should put some pieces of carpet on your garage walls to stop any damage to the car doors.
True
or one of those swimming pool noodles.
Or just get them door edge protectors. Then you can fully open anywhere.
@@eivis13 Door edge protectors are no reason to be careless.
@@KJSvitko who said anything about being careless? It's more of an ease of mind. I have them on all 4 doors of my prius and i'm always calm of touching my door edge to an other car, tree, wall, pole, etc.
You don't have to drive to top up the 12v battery, just have the HV system on in N or P.
Can I check what the HV system is?
@@peterjamison1756 high voltage?
So does he mean have it connected to a HV public charger?
@@peterjamison1756 12V battery charges from big high voltage battery in the car, the same used for driving the motors.
@@movax20h why did it discharge if HV is 80%? Could it not charge it when turned off?
Even an annoying situation like this can turn into a funny moment when Chris narrates it. Keep us posted with the fix.
i would freak out! You take it with humor. Respect! Hope you get it fixed soon.
Err, this car is brand new - why hasn't VW dealer collected and fixed?
Because it still drives perfectly. I had an appointment this week, but needed the car earlier. So another appointment this Tuesday.
My Harley Davidson gets a battery tender which when the bike is parked (ride on weekends) keeps the battery topped up. If I had to wait two or more weeks for a fix, I’d consider a trickle charger for the 12V battery. Two days idle is essentially a weekend’s time so a trickle charger may be inconvenient but worth the investment. Just a thought, Chris.
So sorry to hear you've had problems Chris. I hope VW fix it really soon for you.
I love your videos and look forward to the next one. 🤜🏻
My wife just got her id.3 today.
But yesterday VW had a major SW f-up. All the dealers in Denmark couldn't get the new cars out of transport mode, so the cars couldn't be handed over to the customers. I bet some SW engineers worked overnight to fix the issue.....
VW really has a steep learning curve on SW ahead of them.
Still the car is a well made, solid, practical, comfortable car and my wife really loves it. Everything (but the SW) just works to perfection. The matrix headlights are phenomenal. Model 3 has very good headlights but the id.3 has even better.
Personally I still prefer my Model 3 - but I get why she likes it so much.
People usually say that "Tesla is like Apple"... and I usually reply "yes, but at least Apple know how to make good quality hardware". :D
Tesla is more for geeks and people who travel longer distances and prefer unique software features (ie. the elementary farting) and don't care that much about costs and quality.
VW pays attention to detail and functional design, like the LED matrix which is awesome and not much EVs have those yet, other than the Audi e-trons.
Yes, it is unfortunate that VW had to hire 3000 new software engineers to rework the software for the ID family which had to be delivered as promised, but also with a true promise, that the software will be made a lot better in the future (also OTA, like Tesla).
I love ota on My Tesla, would never buy a Car without it. I woke up this morning with this message "you have New software and New features" fantastic
@@attilazk "the LED matrix which is awesome and not much EVs have those yet, other than the Audi e-trons" - My Vauxhall Corsa-e Elite has them.
@@andyfraser5876 Yes, you are right, that is including the "not much EVs have those".
Strange, that same platform and system, but the brother of Corsa-e, the e-208 does not have LED matrix even as option.
Hard luck Chris, wise old saying don't buy the first years production wait till others find the faults!!
Yes, but it's thanks to people like Chris, who signal those problems, so they are fixed as soon as possible. :) Thanks for your effort!
That's not true. I used to work in that business. The proverb you wrote does not apply to all car Brands. For example, VW checks for flaws on the Skoda 2 years and then release new VW model. Same thing do Renault with Dacia. I'm not saying you wrong generaly, but there are exceptions. Regards
@@sasavukic6968 Having dozens of people testing for the company is good, but having thousands using them out in real world conditions is better. I bet no matter how much testing they do, the second year is further improved/refined. :-)
*That is why I choose only Japanese tech* :D
“I was driving this Nissan LEAF for the last two days”
Your car died of jealousy! 😆
A person who can't even charge a 12V battery (or buy a decent battery booster... and charge it before use)... drives a Nissan Leaf. Yepp... typical. The worse kind of people are the ones who even own one! LOL
@@attilazk bro the ID3 is brand new, if the battery dies its clearly a concept fail from VW
@@kenion2166 "bro", you can run flat the 12V battery on any of the cars that are cloud connected. This is not unique to ID.3 or VW.
The Nissan Leaf has a history of draining the 12V too.
I too have the same issue, with my ID.3.
After a couple of days not using the car the 12 volt battery was drained, and the car was totally dead. The key fob wouldn’t open the doors.
On opening the ID.3 with the emergency key, the car was non responsive; no lights, no sounds, nothing!
The car only came back to life after breakdown recovery, recharged the 12 volt battery. The main high voltage battery was still at over 70% charge.
My VW dealership haven’t been able to identify any problems with the car.
Stephen
It's also amazing how tiny a current will flatten a 12v battery.... Even a new/good battery.. just a few days.
If you need to connect the booster again, connect only positive clamp to the battery, and then the black one somewhere on the metal chassis. Then you don't have to reach for the hard to get negative terminal, and you also keep potential sparks away from the battery (which can produce a small amount of flammable H2 gas). When disconnecting, black clamp should be removed first (again to avoid sparks around the battery).
Doesn't it produce H2 only when charging? How about the O that is coming out too? BTW, the terminals were not ON the battery. The ID.3 has a battery cover anyway (with a BMS) and with AGM technology it's battery will not gas out that much if at all.
@@attilazk Yes, but the purpose of attaching the booster is indeed to charge it, hence the H2+spark risk when disconnecting. The terminals used in the video are on top of the battery, thus where H2 might be (I'm not sure if ID.3 as a battery ventilation hose bringing this elsewhere, typically only seen on cars with the battery inside the cabin).
Connecting/disconnecting the red terminal by itself close to battery is not a concern, when the negative booster clamp is disconnected. The point is to close/open the booster circuit with the negative clamp somewhere away from the battery, which can be done to any conductive part of the chassis.
O2 is not a concern, as the small amounts coming out is not significantly changing the 21% that already is in the air. A small dose of H2 can anyhow do a lot of damage.
Hi Chris, I want to thank you for all your ID.3 videos as I purchased a second hand one which has done 1,600 miles a couple of weeks ago. I have some woes to report. After about 4 days of receiving BOB (that’s what I named it … I think BOB would like Walter), I connected the car to the we connect app and I immediately got two issues:
Please check left dipped beam.
Then I got
Error, dynamic cornering light.
At this point I am on holiday in Cornwall, UK so there was no dealer with availability. I kept driving it for the rest of the holiday and found the infotainment system started misbehaving. Sometimes it would not play music from apple air play and other times it would not allow me to change the background as it said something about the option not being available. I also got another warning pop up;
Front assist availability is limited.
I took it to Volkswagen Basingstoke on Monday this week and they ran the diagnostics and it came back that the left front light was faulty! So they replaced it and the sensor with another they had ordered in but that didn’t fix it. So later Monday they ordered another front light and light sensor and today on Tuesday they replaced it again and it fixed it and the errors all went away. So the dealer rang me up and I picked the car up
Driving it home was fine. No warnings .. all good so far. Then I went out in the evening and the Front assist availability is limited warning popped up again. I stopped at a shop then got back in after shopping (about 5 mins) then drove off again and that warning didn’t appear. However further down the road I got a new warning:
Electric drive not working correctly. Please visit workshop. (This one was alarming)
So I have had a 2 month old car for 2 weeks and had 5 different faults and a front headlight replaced! This is such a shame as I love the car.
Update:
In the morning I took it back in first thing and cutting a long story short, it has a faulty drive train! So it has to go back to Volkswagen to get sorted which will take approx 12-14 weeks. I guess parts are an issue.
At this point I could get a full refund, but I opted to be loaned a new brand new golf 8 until my ID.3 is fixed. If I have any more problems after that, I still have the option of a full refund as I will have this in writing.
Here’s hoping BOB is fixed properly when he come back from his adventure and all will be well.
I have a VW ID3 that has traveled 2000 km and today the heat broke inside the car only cold air from the fan. But I managed to fix it so now I share with you how to do. Open the bonnet and find the starter battery on the right side. Take a 10mm tool and write off the minus pole. Then wait for 10 seconds and turn it on again. Now your heating fan works again :) Works safely on many more electrical faults on the car as well :)
Did you try switching it off and on again?
Sorry, it's a reference to the "IT Crowd" TV show.
🤣 Love the IT Crowd...
The reason this quote is so very funny is because its true :). you know this if you work in IT... and going forward your ev dealer will ask you to try the same... 😂
Thank you for making detailed aspects of the ID3. I love this ID3 and the fact that VW finally moved into electric vehicle future
But really like that you love ID3, but still analyse its good and bad things with total fairness. Appreciate your wife's opinions also about it.
Indeed these cars are initially for nerds like us :) :)
Will continue to watch your presentations about it. Its natural for it to have initial flaws, coz if VW got an electric vehicle perfect from first model, that would be a miracle. Great job by VW and thanks for its initiative to move with full power into environmentally friendly mode!
Cheers!!!
Forced to move
@@adalmartinez2340 Correct, but even better. Coz normally they would never move, they were doing pretty good. The scam was the best thing that happened for the world eventually
Sorry to hear about your problem but it seems easily to be fixed in an update. Cool to see your reaction to this issue - - > no problem.
Can you tell me what software version is in your car and when it will be fixed? Is it in the main update next year?
I will get my ID.3 on October 30th. 😊
Hi Chris, I have exactly the same problem as you, the only difference is that my ID3 is blocked at the dealership! I called for assistance, I saw the car restart with the booster but it was taken back to Volkvagen ... Thank you for your videos, they give me lots of information about my own car!
Thierry from France (with the help of Google Translate because I do not speak English well)
12V batteries: the 50€ single point of failure that can strand even a 500,000€ car! :)
A 1$ screw can ruin your day, in almost any car.
It is the software, battery is the victim.
Teslas notoriously have had this issue as well.
Tesla 3 gets power from the big battery, very simple
Like an bannana peal can ruin your entire life.
The headlights are a huge drain on the 12 volt battery. It should automatically turn off the headlights when the battery is low and the car is in park.
Thank you for your money and taking your time to beta test this.
Thank you for trying to be funny. Didn't work this time thou...
@@attilazk Well I think it is true and funny in a sad way!!
Hi Chris, I Have a 2019 Kia Soul EV and the only way to keep it's 12 volt battery up is by regularly driving it, or charging the main drive Highvoltage battery. My new 2020 Kia Soul EV (64KWH) has a 12volt battery keeper in the setup screen, the system will start the 400VDC to 12VDC converter to top up the battery when necessary, check you manual to see if you have that option.
Have you asked Kia if there is a Technical Service Bulletin for a BMS update to correct this? Hyundai (parent company of Kia) did this for the 2019-2020 Kona EVs. This update actually removed the "Aux Battery Saver" as an owner adjustable option and solved the dead 12V battery issues some owners experienced. I'd be surprised if Kia haven't done this yet.
this is really unfortunate. hope you didn't loose your great entusiasm for this car, it still looks amazing
I didn't!
So, the 12 volt battery on my MiEV was dying this weekend and I could briefly resurrect it by plugging in the EVSE which also kicks on the 12 volt dc/dc. But you need a teeny bit of 12 volt left to get the contactor for the traction pack going. Also, if the booster works, just turn on the ignition which will enable the 12 charger, and remove the boost pack and leave it on for 10 minutes and you should have charged the 12v battery enough. Does not require actual driving, just time. Just like charging the car.
Totally normal problem to have on an EV. Certainly not unique to VW. It took other brands years to sort this problem. Most of us experienced EVers are not judging VW by this problem, but we are watching how long it takes them to fix it.
Most comments here are overeacting. It's not like the roof blew off driving home from the dealer or anything crazy like that....
No issue with the kona if you tick the right box.
I left it 4 weeks last summer, no battery drain.
I have a tracker on mine which tends to give me advanced warning if the 12v is getting low. I also use a C-TEK MXS5.0 12v smart trickle charger to top it up where necessary or to recondition the battery.
Same story here,first i had airbag failure yellow and dealer have to contact volkswagen for installation procedure ... they Saïd raplace nattere 12 v, don that and testen ,then everyting on steering Wheel callapsed so car was returning to dealer same workmethode ,now they replaced the J533 canbus unit thats the mainframe safety checker ,my car was 10 days away by second repair , the brought it yesterday to my house,so at night we wanted to make a test in id3 ,and error again light assist so today back to dealer have the car more days on the dealer than enjoying it , maybe you can tell volkswagen contact about this, have lost my trust in the car en volkswagen
I know the GOLF GTE had issues with some chargers keeping the 12v systems active while it was on a timer and not charging and this would drain the battery
The Leaf gets a bad rap, but its an ultra reliable EV. Maybe it was a sign.
OMG... your username says it all. You are an addict. Leaf has many faults. Many proof of this on many forums.
Cold gate, rapid gate, just to name a few. That is the definition of unreliable.
@@UndefeatedDeity at least its bumper manages to stay attached in the rain lol
@@osimmac Don't forget the glass roof, it turns out its removable on the Y, but only on the highway.
@@douglasalanthompson falls under warranty (no pun intended). Battery degradation and cold gate does not.
Also remember these cars were sitting at storage yards for a long time before delivery. Not healthy for 12v battery so try get a new replacement from the dealer
Good point. Any lead acid can have issues if left at under 40% charge for long periods.
Are you sure they still have the same 12 V batteries in? They also had to do some work on other parts, like the disc brakes
@@simonm1447 he probably isn't but its totally possible
Not true, agm batteries have very little to non drain if the car is shut off properly before delivery as it should be. Normal lead acid does lose energy but not a modern agm. We use them in diesel generator start up batteries.
@@Deuxiit Even if a car is shut off it still consumes a little bit of electricity, all modern cars do this. This may be not much, but over months it's enough to drain a 12 V battery.
I drive only little with my ICE car, however I have to use a charger if I don't use it for more than 4 weeks to prevent it from emptying the 12 V battery.
Your diesel generator is completely switched off if you switch it off, it has no clock, and no radio which needs electricity for data storage
Great informative video. Do you have any info on the differences between the interior of the id3 and the e-gulf? I have heard that the e gulf is actually nicer with a more upscale feel to it, ie less hard plastic than the id3.
I prefer the Id.3. More space, less buttons.
Chris, both the Kia E-Niro and the Hyundai Kona have a setting that allows the main battery to charge the 12 volt battery. Without this set, the 12 volt battery will run down. Maybe the ID3 has a similar setting? I also think that the cars were sitting for months in fields and Leipzig airport after they were made. This surely resulted in the 12 volt batteries draining?
Nope, it should do it automatically.
The same problem is been found in a E-up!! In Italy came a stock of e up with the same problem!!
One thing you could try if the update doesn't work is to connect a float battery maintainer to your 12V battery.
These are between 0.75A and 1.5A, just enough to trickle charge, but not over charge your 12V battery.
Not that you should have to use one, as they should fix the software problem, but in case it lingers fir repair.
I use one of these on my ICE car when driving my EV most of the time.
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We all have to say thank you for beta testing this car.
VW should be paying him to test this Windows 95 powered car
@@Auraxium sadly the computer is so slow that your statement is 100% correct :D
As always you are cool and informative. VW should give you a new battery and pay for the booster. Thanks for updating us. Respect!👍😁
Excellent video. I experienced this terrific event yesterday morning. Last time I drove the car was saturday morning. i tested 3 V tension so I suppose that the battery had been undercharged since time. I really had no knowledge about this bug. The software is still the old version. Bought the car at the end of november. Very disappointed.
Since 0783 update no problems anymore. Get an update!
@@BatteryLife received today a letter announcing software update and invitation to contact VW service...
“It can be solved with a software update, but the dealer has a 2 week waiting list”... how loud do we consumers have to shout? “LEARN FROM TESLA!”
Waiting list not just Id3 all VW
@@BatteryLife what I meant was, if it’s just a software update why do you need to take it in at all? Just push the software OTA. It’s short sighted of VW to stick with the old way of only doing software updates by having the dealer plug in a CANBUS cable.
@@andreacoppini There will be OTA updates, just not the very first one.
@@andreacoppini First of all, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHOUT!
The ID.3 was the first VW to have OTA. The old staff was failing to make it reliable, so VW hired 3000 new software engineers who rewrote the system from the basics. They could develop to a level where the ID.3s can get to customers. Some of the ECUs already have OTA capability, but not all. One such is this CAN level one that has the draining issue. The complete, full functional software is expected to be ready before next summer.
Well now there is update available for some id3 isssues, it takes 5 hours to update this thing 🥳
Great report. Thank you.
Thanks Chris for another honest real world, 'tell it as it is' post. Glad you can laugh if off like you do... saying that, maybe it would have been a different story if Mrs Battery Life had been the one to discover the car flat as a pancake? Your many videos helped us decide some time back to go for the Kia Soul EV instead of waiting for the ID3. Your recent videos are still confirming that decision to be correct! As you know, nearly all of your 30 wish list improvements on the software, are already implemented on the Kia... as is of course the improved regen strength and control. If the ID3 had real switches, rock solid software, and 7 year warranty/free data usage (like the Soul EV), then it would be a different story entirely... but so far, absolutely no regrets going Kia! (from a previous 6x VW /Skoda owner). As an aside, I think 'soft' regen is something you are generally going to find designed into rear wheel drive EVs (as a precaution) to improve power lift off stability in poor (icy) conditions. Yes, I know you and I would likely look at the weather and switch to minimum regen, but just think of the other 'turn it on and drive' owners... it would be like watching a bunch of RWD BMW drivers... a slipping and a sliding (hilarious)!
Funny you mention it since the rwd BMW i3 has strong recuperation...
@@abraxastulammo9940 In the UK, almost nobody runs winter tyres, so on the random few days we get snow or ice, it is total carnage! Since the dawn of motoring, braking has been rightly biased to the front of the vehicle... in the ball park of 60/40. RWD regen braking would give you 0/100... which is absolutely fine in normal driving, but obviously not desirable in snow, ice or say muddy conditions. In that situation you are heavily dependent on the stability software! Traction is a different matter of course... FWD for everyday driving, RWD for fun, and AWD for maximum safety. The Kia Soul (FWD) has a measured delivery of torque (from rest) to combat wheel spin, unlike it's sibling the Hyundai Kona, which is a bit squirrely. Chris likes his RWD power delivery, which is his choice! When we bought the Soul, we tried the maximum regen level (which to me feels adequate for one pedal driving), but settled on regen level 1 (of 3), and Auto Regen. This gives a much more comfortable driving / passenger experience... and still gives you maximum automatic regen when approaching roundabouts, junctions, traffic, parked cars, etc, etc. I know auto regen is not popular on most other brands of EV (the few that have it fitted, anyway), but Kia / Hyundai seem to have it mastered, fantastically! I've recently owned mid engined, RWD cars that were the best driving experience ever... but now owning an EV with 200ps of instant torque, I'd be a little worried what an in experienced driver could do on a tight roundabout... in the snow, or even wet... with that applied to the rear wheels?
@@stvutelvc The Kia Soul does not work at all on snow, see ua-cam.com/video/NO5gQ80Bke4/v-deo.htmlm50s 😱
ID.3 has no problems:
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It doesn‘t make sens to drive the car if the 12 V battery is down because E-Cars has no alternator. E-cars use a DC-to-DC step down converter from the 400 volt traction battery to recharge the 12 V battery. It‘s sufficient to start the car and switch into park mode and wait 30 minutes until 12V battery is recharged.
Hallo, wie ist der Status? Ist das Problem erledigt? Update beim Händler erfogreich?
Erzähl alles heute im wöchentlichen Livestream.
Can’t help with electrics but the narrow garage, that I can help with. If you want to make sure the car doors don’t get scratched getting in and out. Just stick some thin, (10mm will do) foam sheet to the wall/s, where the front & back doors would touch the walls. I use exercise mat in two garages.
I also carry a cut-off strip in the trunk/boot, roughly 15cm wide x 90cm long. So if I open the trunk/boot lid in a low roofed area, such as a multi-storey car park. I can protect the lid from impacting the roof. It need to be long enough, so you hold one end with one hand, while opening the lid with the other. I learned the hard way, when a friend opened my boot of a new car, the lid hit the kayaks we were carrying. The kayaks were fine but the lid’s paint got chipped.
I see a few people here suggesting that you can charge the 12v battery from the hv battery by placing the car in N or D. Is it possible to do that without first having had to boost the 12v battery?
No need to drive. But car has to be on first.
Thanks for that and glad you got it sorted. I think I would have been a bit less mellow than you appeared to be. Also interesting that it is not only new Teslas that have issues.
Maybe if they didn't leave these id3 the best part of a year parked up before they started selling them then they would not have issues with the 12v battery.
the 12 v battery should last longer than a year though, but yes it may be worth taking the car to a third party battery place and having the 12v battery tested to see if it needs replacing
Once this is fixed can you let us know hat specific software was installed? Maybe you can see what version you have before and after this fix ?
After not driving for a few weeks, this sometimes happens to my Prius as well. Because it also only needs the 12 volt battery to boot up the system, these tiny power banks with an additional 12 volt connector have it going again in a minute. I paid $25 for mine and works like a charm (and fits any glove compartment.)
@timemachine_194 It takes roughly 2 kW to crank a small engine. You'd have to transfer enough energy to the starter battery before turning the engine. As long as the current is limited to the appropriate amperage the auxiliary/starter battery can be changed via a 12 V outlet in most cars.
Hi,
I have the same case with my e-Golf zwo year ago After Picking Up in Dresden. After the Update ist works up to today fine.
You have a garage, this meins That you can leg the car in Drive ready Mode and leg the 12V battery charge from the driving battery.
Turn the liegt from Auto into of and take the time for the charging.
The erforscht schuld disappear After a time of driving.
Does the ID.3 not recharge the 12V battery periodically when parked? I know my Kia e-Niro does it. There's a light on the dash which flashes when it's topping up the 12V.
I guess not yet !?!
@@BatteryLife perhaps it has it - otherwise how would it power the connected features, alarm and keyless entry? But it's possible that the bus causing the vampire drain uses more than can be supplied.
Sorry to see that you have a problem, not good! It is a shame it cannot be fixed with an Over The Air update.
Please inform me as soon as you know how to charge the 12V battery "with an Over The Air update"!!! LOL
@@attilazk why you have to be such a moron?
@@GabrielAlejandroZorrilla It wasn't me who started it. :D
@@attilazk LOL 😁👍
It's a very long time ago that I was into electronics - but this seems something like the crudest piece of even analog kit could cure - basic low voltage power supply permanent hooked up to main battery and trickle charging 12V - when drops below threshold. Amazing this can occur -especially the time thay have had to develop and test.
Anyway - thanks for report , though this is not good to hear. At all
VW was always going to have this problem, it’s just a repeat of the Taycan 12V problem that’s still not fixed! In fact, still not acknowledged as a problem by Porsche, let alone fixed!
Hi, had the same problem last Sunday. I left my ID idle for 2 days and my 12V dropped to 11.3V when first 12V low warning came on. I took car for 10min drive, then parked and 4 hrs later could not start it. If you will not connect the 12V battery to charger tonight then you will have the same problem in the morning. Unfortunately now, 12V is only charged from hiVolt when Ignition is ON (you don't have to drive, ignore that stupid message on the screen). I measured my voltage for few days now and lost on average 0.37V overnight. I drive 40km on average day and this allows me to keep my 12V balance on 0. Get the charger Bro or you will be stranded tomorrow again 😉
11:35 "Maneuver braking" is when the car brakes automatically during low-speed parking maneuvers due to the Parking Sensors seeing an obstacle too close.
It can be temporarily disabled from the Parking Sensors screen, there is a "Settings" wheel to get to the setting.
Hello, I have an ID3 and I want to turn off the central locking which locks all doors when I drive more than 15 km / h. Is it possible right?
No, maybe with Me2.1
I will give you a tip
When you start your car cold in the morning buckle up the seatbelt so the car will run the fan on full power when you remove the ice :)
Only a bug could (or a default battery) could cause this problem. My ID3 even parked during 3 hours on saturday, with loud music ON and 2 phones charging, recharged the 12v battery with "N" on. No other problems whatsoever.
Sorry to hear that you have electrical problems Chris . Hopefully the VW garage will fix it !
I really enjoy you posting the good, bad, and the ugly of the ID.3. would be curious to know if the e brake warning went off as your drove and charged up the 12V battery
to recharge 12 V battery by HV battery when 12 V battery is going to drain (for whatever reason), is a standard/optional feature of other cars like Kona Elektro. Should be standard in all cars ...
If the electronic parking brake fails, does the car just roll away in Park? Or is there redundancy -- like a parking pawl on an automatic transmission car? I know on the BMW i3 there's a parking pawl in addition to the electronic parking brake, whereas with Teslas, there is no redundancy -- only the electronic parking brake.
Alter Verwalter wie ruhig der Kerl bleibt, Respekt.
Alles cool.
Glad you got it going, remember to charge your 12V booster kit
Doing it right now.
My dad had this on his Kona because he doesn't closed the trunk properly.
I bought a powerbank with 12V outlet for this case.
And the 12V battery is also been charged when you charge the car at home on AC.
Exactly. Good solution.
But this guy never said that he left anything on. However, the ID.3 has many functions running even if you are not at the car, so if you don't use it for days, this can happen (like for some other new cars too).
@@attilazk The HV battery is designed to charge the 12V battery based on "normal" power drain. The cannbuss issue was not accounted for, resulting in the 12V battery draining before it could be recharged. VW should do two items to correct this:
1. Repair/replace the cannbuss that caused the issue
2. Update the BMS to recognize the 12V battery needs to be charged before it drains and send out an error message before that happens.
@@ScubaSteveCanada While you are right, and obviously VW found out already and made a solution, I don't know why you are writing this to me. :o)
#2 would be practical, but as a hint, I am not aware of other manufacturers using such logic by default. Even Hyundai has it only as an option.
VW: We cannot fix your vehicle but we can tell you in excruciating detail just how damaged it is.
I have a 37-year-old Citroën CX and I get frustrated with it when the battery doesn’t last for 6 weeks without using it. Looks like there’s nothing new under the sun. I don’t miss new cars or tech ;o)
Does anyone know which version of firmware is needed in the ID3 to fix the problem? That way we could preemptively book our cars in at the dealers for an update.
is there no aux battery saver to prevent the 12v going dead. like in ioniq.
1 - does the aux battery only charge when driving but how far or how long does it take to charge back up.
2 - is there no other way to charge up the 12v eg connecting to home charger. turning on main battery in car on does not that charge the battery when just parked.
how long does it take to charge up the battery.
I ask these as my ioniq seems to use the aux battery saver any day not driven or do not drive for a long period.
Never mind you can give back this VW and order a Made in China Tesla Model 3 ST+ with delivery next Februar. :)
I really do admire your positive attitude over this....I would be spitting bullets. VW should have given all 1st Edition owners a two month free trial before a financial commitment.
I got 3 months free leasing!
@@BatteryLife First we had Diesel Gate....now we have EV Gate ☹️
Without the fault, is the ID3 supposed to maintain the 12v battery off the high voltage pack automatically when the car is left standing? I’m only aware of the Korean brands doing this so far.
All Evs should do that.
as for me it's strange that need drive to change 12v battery :) I think it also changes when you stay in d or r mode.
This was fixed in January of 2021
12V battery is charged by the High voltage battery when it goes under a certain threshold
even when the car is off.
ID3 is jealous of Leaf. And not happy about your bug report.
1.Edition....oder wie ich inzwischen sage: erster Versuch;ist für mich trotzdem ein Favorit...in 1-2 Jahren,bis dahin sollten die Softwareprobleme beseitigt sein.
In spite of your problems, it's still a lovely car. One thing I would be tempted to do, is fix some cheap carpet/rubber/ floor vinyl to the walls of your garage. It's a bit tight in there and it would be a shame to damage the edges of your door.
Struggling to understand the problem. Is this right... "bus" draining 12v battery more than it should so it went flat. But does the drive train battery not charge the 12v battery when it gets low? I just assumed it would.
It should, but it doesn't.
What about a daily heating of 10-15 minutes? The car starts and the DC-DC converter should give energy to the 12V battery, as it does with the e-up!
Maybe.
But what if you go on a holiday for a month without taking your car? Imagine heating the car every day for a month 🙈
The 12V battery needs to be fine unless your main battery is completely drained as well.
If you plan to leave your ID.3 again for some days like this, you should set your charge limit to around 60% and leave it plugged into an AC charger, to test whether or not this keeps your 12v battery topped up.
It was charging the day before. Don't think it helps.
When you jumpstart your car, allways connect positive leads first for safety reason! It doesn´t matter if it is a electric car or not. Afterwards disconnect the negative lead first.
Does not really matter with most booster packs because you connect them first an switch them on after
This problem will never happen to my ID.3 when I park it at home because I always connect the 12v battery to my C-TEK battery manager/charger/conditioner which keeps it topped up all the time. For many years I have been connecting my old classic cars to my C-TEK when I put them away in the garage (and also my VW XL1) so this is nothing new for me to do!
However, now I also always take the C-TEK with me when I stay away from home. I hope VW will solve this 12v battery drain problem soon....
I also connect 4 times a month the battery of the combustion-engine-car to the CTEK. Nice to hear, you drive XL1!
Both of you guys are smart and know how to avoid such problems the right way, with (battery) care.
BTW, I also use an MXS 5.0 once in a while, just in case, especially before and during winter season.
Oh, yes, and one more thumbs up for that XL1.
Take care.
This car looks great, I'll probably get it in 1 to 2 years when everyone is finished beta testing it
This is par for the course with any 1st year model being released, EV or ICE.
@@ScubaSteveCanada sure, I currently have a Renault Zoe Wich is kind of "mature" but reading the forums it definitely had some issues at the beginning too...
I'm just letting other deal with that
@@bmallory Very astute ;-) I'm afraid I can't wait that long. I'm interested in the Zoe, but I do find the ID.3 more tempting, to be quite honest.
I like how the Zoe drives, but the charging is kind of slow even with CCS AND, worst of all, the seats. Still, it's a lovely little car ... We'll see.
Just saw this dead Id3 dead video. Hopefully it’s a glitch that gets corrected soon. Has this been an issue with other owners?
Is there any way of knowing which id.3s have the issue? I often don't drive mine for a couple of days but so far have had no issues. But I'm now very nervous about going away on any long trips with the car :(
@Shibby Rj Same here, mine stands in the garage for several days at a time but no issues so far. HOWEVER I was so worried about it happening that I now use a C-TEK battery conditioner which is connected to the terminals of the 12v battery all the time when the car is not being used for a day or two, and keeps it topped up to full charge all the time. I have even also installed a C-TEK wireless (bluetooth) battery monitor which works together with a mobile phone app, so that each time I'm about to use the car I can first look at the app to see what the state of charge is on the 12v battery! And just to make absolutely sure I won't get stranded away from home, I also keep in the car a small compact 12v battery booster pack so that if the car ends up dead due to a totally flat 12v battery I'll be able to "jump start" it with that. I also keep the C-TEK charger in the car on trips! Might seem over the top but not a big investment for peace of mind, and very simple to fit and/or use, and can be used on my other cars too. Here's a UA-cam video I just uploaded about all this: ua-cam.com/video/5ldL5zAIO5A/v-deo.html
This was a great Nissan Leaf commercial! So reliable but you will never take it on a road trip so it will always be your backup car.
Funny. How is your Leaf's battery SOH? Below 75% in 3 years? PTC heating elements going dead? Front strut head full of rust yet? Had a navigation or map update that is newer than 2016? Rear view mirrors still fold... without silly noise? Never mind the #RapidGate problem...
Yes, it's good enough for backup, that's it. :D
I have a model 3 and a Renault Zoe, the last one we do'nt use much. Same problem.. Now and then i use the keyfob to wake up the car and switch on DC/DC converter to charge the 12v battery. Booster i used once after a 3 week holiday... VW could have now this if they did their home work.. I don't think a software update will solve this problem.. It's a design flaw.
I don't think so. Something,is wrongly pulling energy without needing to.
They have to find and fix it.
@@BatteryLife I really hope you are right and they will find it. Shitty "fossil" problem you don't want to deal with. Keep us posted!
That's bad luck ☹️, I hope your dealer can get this repaired asap.
My client's Volvo XC90 hybrid 12V system failed and left him four times on the road. That happened during 8 months and the dealer couldn't repair the car and told that they must send it to Sweden and it will take few months to get it back... They offered him some beat up S40 for a loaner 😂. He got mad and sold the Volvo on that spot.
But my brother has a diesel V70 Volvo that has worked quite well.
Is it possible for the large battery to charge the 12V battery if needed?
It does, but not when it is parked.
How comes that pretty much every electric car does have a problem with the 12v battery? Shouldn't the car recognize a low 12v battery and charge it, even if it's parked?
Safety feature. Car off! High voltage battery disconnected.
See MyID by Frode whois in Norway. His ID3 died as well after only 450 kms of driving. His car seems to have a very similar problem to yours.
After 450 kms running, it should be recharged!
Chris you are going to find this sort of thing being early adopter, hope you get the update soon to fix, guess you will keep booster charged up. 2 days to drain the 12V not good though VW should have that sorted before delivery.
0:45 Atleast you have a mechanical emergency key, try that on a Tesla... :)
Unfortunately many EV and hybrids suffer from problems draining the little 12V- battery. We got that pretty solid with older cars but to me it seems EV´s lack something. Maybe the 12V batteries are too small or get drained too fast while parked...
Hat VW keine Einstellung um die 12V aufzuladen?
Ja, aber nicht ohne Zündung. Sicherheit!
@@BatteryLife Hä?! Sicherheit?! Was für ne Sicherheit, das machen alle andere Hersteller, selbst Kia und Hyundai, Tesla sowieso. Da sehen wir also in der Realität wie VW hinterher läuft. Da wird es noch 3-4 Jahre brauchen, bis die Autos ausgereift sind.
@timemachine_194 Ein Tesla wird bestimmt nicht "komplett leer", das Auto verbraucht gerade mal 10Watt um alle System zu überwachen. Bei 24 Stunden am Tag und 75kWh macht das ungefähr 1 Jahr bis der Wagen "komplett leer " ist. Bitte vorher genau informieren. sonst war auch viel Unwissenheit im kommentar. Ich bleibe dabei, VW ist zwar nicht so ganz hinten wie Daimler und BMW aber schon ganz, ganz hinten.
@timemachine_194 6% pro Monat sind also 72% im Jahr, habe ich was anders gesagt?! Und das verbrannte Geld ist ca. 20€ im Jahr, dann lieber VW und 50€ für einen Adapter und Termin mach 2 Wochen:) Nein danke:)
und bei "die Umwelt bedankt sich bei VW" habe och herzlich gelacht, der Witz des Jahrhunderts!:)