This is great! Thanks for making ProPhoto RGB so easy to understand. I was always confused at the "sRGB or Adobe RGB" choices in my camera. It's wonderful to finally know that those settings only apply to JPEG, not RAW. Thank you!
Why can not everybody else on the planet explain things so eloquently and clearly. If I was looking for a hero and I am not, I have just found one. This is GOLD standard stuff. Simply exquisite.
Very true, I mostly shoot in Adobe RGB. Have monitor with 99% RGB. I save images as PSD in Adobe RGB. Convert them to file formats and colour space as required.
I had always wandering about, should i change my “monitor color mode” to Adobe RGB, when I am retouching in Photoshop in Pro Photo mode, or should I not switch “Monitor color mode” from s-RGB to Adobe RGB. I am confused since I have monitor that covers 99% of Adobe rgb, when should i activate Adobe RGB mode on my monitor?
always srgb, also some high end printed magazines works with srgb. for my prints or art printing I work in the icc profile of the printer considering also the particoular paper/canvas. I’m using eizo.
If you edit start to finish in you RAW converter or just do minor tweaks in Photoshop, it doesn't really make much difference. But, if you retouch and use multiple adjustment layers in Photoshop after RAW conversion, you will benefit from ProPhoto RGB. You can always convert to sRGB and your printers profile after retouch.
I’ve been using prophoto all the time in order to utilize all information of raw.And set this as working profile in ps to make the most accurate color adjustments.I’ve watched your videos for just few days (as a new subscriber)and I find these are very informative.Thank you.
Great video! Very thorough and very well explained. I have a question: Why do colors look different between ProPhotoRGB and sRGB in Photoshop? If I create a new document in Photoshop with sRGB as the color space and add a solid color adjustment layer with a color of say #d7bd96 and then create another document in PS with ProphotoRGB with the same exact color (#d7bd96), the result are very different when viewed side-by-side on the same monitor. Should these colors look the same on my screen? My monitor is sRGB gamut and is calibrated to within 1dE. The interesting thing is that if I then softproof the ProphotoRGB file with my monitor profile it now looks the same as the sRGB file. Should I be softproofing ProphotoRGB files with my monitor profile? I have always thought that is a no-no...
The "same exact color" ist not the same. Your #d7bd96 transtlates to RGB 215, 189, 150 which in ProPhotoRGB is much more saturated. The numbers (0 to 255 in 8bit) are stretched around a vastly larger colorspace (the steps from each number to the next are much larger). This is also the problem, when you combine 8bit per colourchannel with a large colourspace like ProPhotoRGB, which can lead to visible colour-banding. When you use softproof, the colors are mapped to the gamut of the target-colourspace which ist often smaller. So you don´t see much difference. The colorspaces for rgb and cmyk in the settings in photoshop etc. are only fallbacks if you open a picture with no colourspace embedded. Monitorprofiles: programs like photoshop can use the different monitorprofiles of different monitors when you drag the picture to another monitor. A software which requires to assign a monitorprofile in the settings is not able to correctly display colours on a second monitor unless you assign the other monitorprofile. The program optimally should be able to detect the display and to switch automatically to the appropriate monitorprofile of the respective monitor.
I am facing a strange issue thought I would check here. There is an image i edited in photoshop on Mac, exported as sRgb , jpeg. Now when i download the same jpeg image on windows machine, the image shows perfect color in the photo viewer. But when I open the same image in photoshop/ lightroom or Capture one or Affinity I see a sepia tone to it. What should I change in my windows machine, so that I get consistent color across application. Just bought a new surface book 3, and this issue is making me nuts.
Great summary. I started using ProPhoto about 12 years ago as I shoot almost exclusively in RAW. However, my primary focus is multi-shot stitched panoramas and these became incredibly large in the ProPhoto RGB space. File space management and processing time quickly became an issue. So I only kept my best work originals in RAW and saved my larger panos in Adobe RGB 1998. My wide format Epson printer does a great job on the Adobe profile. Now with larger storage, faster CPUs, GPUs, file transfers, SSD and super fast ram, ProPhoto would be my choice, if starting today.
It depends on what you do in Photoshop. I would suggest Adobe RGB just for the fact you are editing the jpeg, but If you do any excess exposure and color corrections, your 8 bit Jpeg image instantly loses detail. See why: ua-cam.com/video/Y-wSHpNJs-8/v-deo.html That being said, if your final image is strictly for the web in a maximum size something around 1500x1500 pixels, should be fine with sRGB.
The best video I have see and which is covering ALL aspects related!! Thanks a lot for your work and sharing all these information. I`d have one question which I hope is not too foolish, but is there a way to fit the settings of a macbook monitor to a Adobe RGB colour space?
V vK All modern Apple displays are based on P3 color space. Adobe RGB and P3 are similarly larger than sRGB, and have a lot of colors in common. Adobe RGB leans more toward blues and greens, while P3 is more into yellows and reds, so the entire Adobe RGB color space can’t be fit/displayed on your macbook monitor.
But on most monitors, you wont be able to tell the difference between pro rgb and srgb. because it doesnt display more, so can you give me some profesional examples of outputs where pro rgb is essential?
If you don't manipulate lighting and color during retouching, you won't see any difference. The only reason to make use of all the extra color 'information' that is available in ProPhoto during retouching, which should result in smoother color transition mainly with extreme edits. So you have a great starting point before you convert it to Adobe rgb for printing or sRgb for web.
awesome.... this kind of technical details is very important to understand how to best capture the image and edit it for various purposes. Thank you so much,
I am pretty new to worrying about colour spaces. I have watched several videos and read several forums but do not get how you can edit a photo in Photoshop using ProPhoto RGB given you cannot see the colours you are creating on an sRGB or Adobe RGB supporting monitor. Is it just guess work, which you then periodically check by exporting to sRGB for display?
It doesn't matter if you can't see the prophoto colours because there isn't any display or print that can show it - whatever your moniter can show is the limit to what you can see on that moniter. Prophoto isn't used for the purpose of "seeing" it - only for editing and preserving colour info before exporting. If you have a 99% SRGB moniter you will see the same thing regardless of which colour space you use What you don't do though is export a prophoto and upload it, or change from an SRGB file to a prophoto file. The reverse is normal though
You are partly wrong when you say that raw has no colorspace. There may be no profile embedded but the raw-editors use one. After debayering there is a measurable color-reproduction (you could say sensorspecific color space). It is not greybalanced and has some weird colorshifts. Therefore it has to be converted into a standardised working colorspace (via an input profile). This is only possible, when there are starting points. You can´t compute something, if there are no values to compute from. RawTherapee works exactly like i described. Think about it. The camera-manufacturers and software-companies measure the color-reproduction of the sensors and this you can see as the raw-colorspace. Sorry for my mediocre english, it´s not my native language.
You seem to have a deep understanding of these questions, and perhaps you know the answer. In Adobe Profile Editor one can create linear raw profile with linear curve. It is also can create an accurate color profile with colorchecker target, but it seems possible use only one. When we go to ACR we can choose one only. How to combine accurate color profile created with colorchecker target with linear raw profile so that they works together?
Thank you for teaching me! This video was very helpful. My questions is, if I plan to print, I should work in Adobe RGB. (I would consider that is the best workflow editing for print) But let's say I am only going to upload my picture for the web. Do I only work on a sRGB profile so my color doesn't shift when I upload? Or do I work in Adobe RGB and then convert it in sRGB when uploading on the web only?
Jennefer Cooper If you ever plan to print high quality in future where color reproduction is important, then Work in Adobe, if not sRGB is fine for web and general prints.
Jennefer Cooper It won’t change if you convert the colorspace by using the option convert to profile. If at all, the changes won’t be visible. But, if you ‘assign’ color profile instead of ‘convert’ profile, that is when the colors get drastically affected.
Whenever I convert a ProPhoto RGB to a sRGB there is a major color change. The image becomes duller. I even elect "perceptual" when switching from ProPhoto to sRGB like instructed in the video. Any ideas? I cannot find a solution to this anywhere I look.
Are you working with very high saturated colors? Most probably those colors are out of gamut of sRGB color space. See if this video helps understand better: ua-cam.com/video/8ZXXpomtODc/v-deo.html
It doesn't matter if you shoot portraits or landscape. If you shoot RAW, the camera settings won't matter. If you shoot JPG, then the setting makes a difference. The important thing is how will you finally output the image. If the final image is meant to be seen only on screen, then sRGB is fine. For high quality prints, Adobe RGB is better.
I shoot in Raw with my Canon 5D Mark 4 DSLR, I edit in Lightroom (not the classic) on my computer desktop, and I export my image as JPEG, with Color Space sRGB. But when I upload images PASS Gallery, a message shows up saying my image Color Space isn't sRGB so color image will look different. Has anyone had this problem? and how can I fix it?
One thing confuses me a lot. Does it make sense to retouch in ProPhoto even if my monitor is able to show 99% of AdobeRGB and not ProPhoto color gamut? Can I see all Prophoto gamut on my monitor? Thanks.
No you won't see all the ProPhoto colors. But if your images have high saturation areas, then editing in ProPhoto RGB will give you a better quality AdobeRGB when you convert the final edited image.
but if i have a monitor that can display all Adobe rgb colors is it better to shoot Adobe rgb in camera jpg or raw to Adobe rgb or will srgb Pictures look better on a Adobe rgb monitor
Definitely shoot in RAW if you retouch your images, regardless of what monitor you have. RAW gives color flexibility for editing while camera jpeg will bake in those colors. Convert the raw to adobe rgb for printing or srgb for internet.
If my 4K monitor ( LG27UK650)has 100% of SRGB coverage and only 80% Adobe RGB and it is calibrated by Spyder X Pro, should I set sRGB or Adobe RGB, or ProPhoto RGB when editing RAW files as my Working Color Space? Data Color reached out to me and said I should calibrate it as a standard LED, not Wide Gamut. (8 bit panel + 2 bit FRC) Thank you
If you export your RAW file to Photoshop for further editing, then export it as ProPhoto RGB. You can also set the working space to ProPhoto RGB in Photoshop. The larger ProPhoto color space lets you edit with color values that might exist in your image but can't be seen. Once final edit is done in Photoshop, then export in any other colorspace as required. Data Color is talking about your display monitor colorspace, which is different.
Elf Waldgeist The main reason is to make use of all the extra color information that is available in ProPhoto during editing which should result in smoother color transition mainly with extreme edits.
Adobe RGB has more colors, due to this the RGB values are mapped differently than sRGB. So a certain RGB value might show different colors in sRGB and Adobe RGB.
DCI P3 is a newer color space which has slightly larger color gamut than sRGB color space, and slightly less than Adobe RGB. So it fits right in between sRGB and Adobe RGB. Pro PhotoRGB color gamut is even larger than Adobe RGB.
@@Stylemypic Thanks! Also, I recently bought a nikon d610 as my first full frame camera. What "cheap" zoom lenses would you recommend me to get started?
I would suggest you go for a couple of cheap/budget primes as the quality is always MUCH better than the cheap zooms, and sometimes even on par with expensive zooms.
b1blazin13 The main reason is to make use of all the extra color information that is available in ProPhoto during editing which should result in smoother color transition mainly with extreme edits. So you have a great starting place before you convert it to Adobe rgb for printing or sRgb for web.
There could be so many factors...is your monitor calibrated? what is the color space you are editing on? Make sure your color profile isn't stripped during export. And if it is not stripped, did you convert or assign profile to sRGB?
Only use ProPhoto if your monitor can display it AND if you are going to be printing your images, use sRGB all other times. ProPhoto doesn't give you any perks over sRGB if you are eventually going to convert to sRGB. All it does is let YOU see those extra tones (with a monitor that displays that profile), everyone else sees the same image on their sRGB screens. Also, once it is converted to sRGB it looks exactly the same as it would if you were to edit in sRGB to begin with. Trust me, try it for yourself and see. This is one of the most misunderstood things in photography and everyone seems to think they are an expert. An easy to understand explanation - A 500ml jug of water (prophoto) poured into a 250ml cup (srgb) = a 250ml cup (srgb). The conversion does not do shit, it doesn't magically turn sRGB into a bigger colour space.
@Jaroslav Bolina Sadly not true. All it does is let you SEE (with a monitor that can display...) the colours your monitor is capable of displaying. It lets you make better adjustments in terms of 'accuracy' to things like WB since you can SEE the difference in colours/tones. But it DOES NOT do anything to the file or final image by itself.
@@keioghein9514 Sorry, bad explanation. The colour profiles are only good for DISPLAYING colours while you edit them, once they are converted down to sRGB, the end product looks exactly the same way it would if you were to edit with sRGB. A 500ml jug of water poured into a 250ml cup = a 250ml cup. thats essentially what AdobeRGB/ProPhoto to sRGB is doing (metaphor ftw). Hope this helps.
@@WizardOfCheese So you're saying ProPhoto can be seen on some monitors while you edit them, right? So I'm asking which monitors. But StyleMyPic just says there are no monitors that can show ProPhoto. But he also says if you use ProPhoto, you will have smoother color transition! I'm confused!
@@keioghein9514 I have no clue, google, I'm assuming there is a monitor out there that can display it, otherwise why are they bringing it up? the bigger question is: is there a printer out there that can use the larger colour space? if not, whats the point? Most peoples monitors are sRGB so there is DEFINITELY no point in using it 'for web'. Yes, you'll SEE smoother color transition (and more variations of tones) with larger colour spaces IF your monitor can display them (but it wont look any different from sRGB to everybody else viewing from sRGB monitors - which the majority of people use). I guess its hard to explain and thats why people make these stupid videos. Here is a test you can try out yourself - in preferences set your colour space to ProPhoto and apply a preset, convert to sRGB and save as a jpeg. Next - change your prefs to sRGB, open the same raw image, apply the same preset, save as jpeg (no need to convert because its already sRGB). Now compare the two images side-by-side in ANY colour space you like. They will look identical. There are no extra tones or smoother colour transitions. Check the histogram if you want to double-check, its a placebo. The greatest 'unlock' you can do with raw files is always edit in 16 Bit and don't re-edit Jpegs because they are 8 Bit and degrade quickly due to compression. The only way you get to keep those 'extra tones' is if you save it as a 16bit TIFF with the colour space embedded - for print. If you upload an AdobeRGB/ProPhoto online it can mess with the colours in a bad way (pale green tones). Best to just keep it on sRGB and edit what you know everybody else will see, UNLESS you are printing, then sure go with AdobeRGB/ProPhoto.
This misinformed! How and why would you 'edit' in ProPhoto when there is NO DISPLAY that can even display (show you visually) all of the colors / range? As of today, there isn't even a printer that can print the full range of colors in ProPhoto! So, if there is no display or printer that can show the full gamut of colors in ProPhoto, why on earth would you edit and then export in ProPhoto color space? You will 100% not get what you see while editing.
This is great! Thanks for making ProPhoto RGB so easy to understand. I was always confused at the "sRGB or Adobe RGB" choices in my camera. It's wonderful to finally know that those settings only apply to JPEG, not RAW. Thank you!
By far the most useful thing I have ever watched when it comes to Colour profiles! Thank you so much!
Why can not everybody else on the planet explain things so eloquently and clearly. If I was looking for a hero and I am not, I have just found one. This is GOLD standard stuff. Simply exquisite.
Very true, I mostly shoot in Adobe RGB. Have monitor with 99% RGB. I save images as PSD in Adobe RGB. Convert them to file formats and colour space as required.
RGB is a color model, sRGB, AdobeRGB etc. are colourspaces. Correctly said your monitor has 99% sRGB or 99% AdobeRGB, not RGB.
Finally I understand! What an ability you have to clarify a subject.
I had always wandering about, should i change my “monitor color mode” to Adobe RGB, when I am retouching in Photoshop in Pro Photo mode, or should I not switch “Monitor color mode” from s-RGB to Adobe RGB. I am confused since I have monitor that covers 99% of Adobe rgb, when should i activate Adobe RGB mode on my monitor?
Bam! Simplicity at it's finest.
Excellent Video. Simple, Precise and straight to the point. Thanks I will try working with Adobe RGB
Answered all of my questions, extremely helpful :)
Brilliantly put together information 👍🏻
always srgb, also some high end printed magazines works with srgb. for my prints or art printing I work in the icc profile of the printer considering also the particoular paper/canvas. I’m using eizo.
If you edit start to finish in you RAW converter or just do minor tweaks in Photoshop, it doesn't really make much difference. But, if you retouch and use multiple adjustment layers in Photoshop after RAW conversion, you will benefit from ProPhoto RGB. You can always convert to sRGB and your printers profile after retouch.
I’ve been using prophoto all the time in order to utilize all information of raw.And set this as working profile in ps to make the most accurate color adjustments.I’ve watched your videos for just few days (as a new subscriber)and I find these are very informative.Thank you.
I am using photoshop for painting and drawing, which color profile should I use
Excellent, helpful work here.
tyvm!!
Awesome video! Thank you!
Can you please tell me the colour numbers used for the Colour Space text close to the intro 0:16. Appreciate it so much.😉
Great video! Very thorough and very well explained. I have a question: Why do colors look different between ProPhotoRGB and sRGB in Photoshop? If I create a new document in Photoshop with sRGB as the color space and add a solid color adjustment layer with a color of say #d7bd96 and then create another document in PS with ProphotoRGB with the same exact color (#d7bd96), the result are very different when viewed side-by-side on the same monitor. Should these colors look the same on my screen? My monitor is sRGB gamut and is calibrated to within 1dE. The interesting thing is that if I then softproof the ProphotoRGB file with my monitor profile it now looks the same as the sRGB file. Should I be softproofing ProphotoRGB files with my monitor profile? I have always thought that is a no-no...
The "same exact color" ist not the same. Your #d7bd96 transtlates to RGB 215, 189, 150 which in ProPhotoRGB is much more saturated. The numbers (0 to 255 in 8bit) are stretched around a vastly larger colorspace (the steps from each number to the next are much larger). This is also the problem, when you combine 8bit per colourchannel with a large colourspace like ProPhotoRGB, which can lead to visible colour-banding.
When you use softproof, the colors are mapped to the gamut of the target-colourspace which ist often smaller. So you don´t see much difference. The colorspaces for rgb and cmyk in the settings in photoshop etc. are only fallbacks if you open a picture with no colourspace embedded.
Monitorprofiles: programs like photoshop can use the different monitorprofiles of different monitors when you drag the picture to another monitor. A software which requires to assign a monitorprofile in the settings is not able to correctly display colours on a second monitor unless you assign the other monitorprofile. The program optimally should be able to detect the display and to switch automatically to the appropriate monitorprofile of the respective monitor.
I am facing a strange issue thought I would check here.
There is an image i edited in photoshop on Mac, exported as sRgb , jpeg.
Now when i download the same jpeg image on windows machine, the image shows perfect color in the photo viewer. But when I open the same image in photoshop/ lightroom or Capture one or Affinity I see a sepia tone to it.
What should I change in my windows machine, so that I get consistent color across application. Just bought a new surface book 3, and this issue is making me nuts.
A very informative tutorial,but honestly I have to watch it more than onetime as I am slow learner. Thanks for your support.
So I do most of my editing on a 4K tablet if I choose Adobe sjrb Will I get good results
Clear and to the point, thank you
Which monitor will be right for photoshop editing sir ji
Shopping for a monitor and this is the most informative video I’ve seen!
It helps more than I knew to understand why things are the way they are. thank you so much.
Thanks u sir . 4 ur impact of knowledge.
Did you give ProPhoto RGB a try? If yes, what do you prefer now for retouching in Photoshop?
Great summary. I started using ProPhoto about 12 years ago as I shoot almost exclusively in RAW. However, my primary focus is multi-shot stitched panoramas and these became incredibly large in the ProPhoto RGB space. File space management and processing time quickly became an issue. So I only kept my best work originals in RAW and saved my larger panos in Adobe RGB 1998. My wide format Epson printer does a great job on the Adobe profile. Now with larger storage, faster CPUs, GPUs, file transfers, SSD and super fast ram, ProPhoto would be my choice, if starting today.
If I shoot Jpeg What should I choose on my camera if I open the photo in photoshop or lightroom after?
It depends on what you do in Photoshop. I would suggest Adobe RGB just for the fact you are editing the jpeg, but If you do any excess exposure and color corrections, your 8 bit Jpeg image instantly loses detail. See why: ua-cam.com/video/Y-wSHpNJs-8/v-deo.html
That being said, if your final image is strictly for the web in a maximum size something around 1500x1500 pixels, should be fine with sRGB.
The best video I have see and which is covering ALL aspects related!! Thanks a lot for your work and sharing all these information. I`d have one question which I hope is not too foolish, but is there a way to fit the settings of a macbook monitor to a Adobe RGB colour space?
V vK All modern Apple displays are based on P3 color space. Adobe RGB and P3 are similarly larger than sRGB, and have a lot of colors in common. Adobe RGB leans more toward blues and greens, while P3 is more into yellows and reds, so the entire Adobe RGB color space can’t be fit/displayed on your macbook monitor.
@@Stylemypic Thanks a lot for your answer!
where shuld i get this for for my screen calliberation of laptop
Wonderful and detailable video thanks
But on most monitors, you wont be able to tell the difference between pro rgb and srgb. because it doesnt display more, so can you give me some profesional examples of outputs where pro rgb is essential?
If you don't manipulate lighting and color during retouching, you won't see any difference. The only reason to make use of all the extra color 'information' that is available in ProPhoto during retouching, which should result in smoother color transition mainly with extreme edits. So you have a great starting point before you convert it to Adobe rgb for printing or sRgb for web.
awesome.... this kind of technical details is very important to understand how to best capture the image and edit it for various purposes. Thank you so much,
I wonder how you know so much about all these things? Have you done any course ??
Hey! quick reminder if you put a wallpaper on your phone that is prophoto rgb it might break your phone! pls be careful what wallpapers you use
Thanks for the great vid and sharing it.
Great info presentation!
I am pretty new to worrying about colour spaces. I have watched several videos and read several forums but do not get how you can edit a photo in Photoshop using ProPhoto RGB given you cannot see the colours you are creating on an sRGB or Adobe RGB supporting monitor. Is it just guess work, which you then periodically check by exporting to sRGB for display?
It doesn't matter if you can't see the prophoto colours because there isn't any display or print that can show it - whatever your moniter can show is the limit to what you can see on that moniter.
Prophoto isn't used for the purpose of "seeing" it - only for editing and preserving colour info before exporting.
If you have a 99% SRGB moniter you will see the same thing regardless of which colour space you use
What you don't do though is export a prophoto and upload it, or change from an SRGB file to a prophoto file. The reverse is normal though
You are partly wrong when you say that raw has no colorspace. There may be no profile embedded but the raw-editors use one. After debayering there is a measurable color-reproduction (you could say sensorspecific color space). It is not greybalanced and has some weird colorshifts. Therefore it has to be converted into a standardised working colorspace (via an input profile). This is only possible, when there are starting points. You can´t compute something, if there are no values to compute from. RawTherapee works exactly like i described. Think about it. The camera-manufacturers and software-companies measure the color-reproduction of the sensors and this you can see as the raw-colorspace. Sorry for my mediocre english, it´s not my native language.
You seem to have a deep understanding of these questions, and perhaps you know the answer. In Adobe Profile Editor one can create linear raw profile with linear curve. It is also can create an accurate color profile with colorchecker target, but it seems possible use only one. When we go to ACR we can choose one only. How to combine accurate color profile created with colorchecker target with linear raw profile so that they works together?
Thank you for teaching me! This video was very helpful. My questions is, if I plan to print, I should work in Adobe RGB. (I would consider that is the best workflow editing for print) But let's say I am only going to upload my picture for the web. Do I only work on a sRGB profile so my color doesn't shift when I upload? Or do I work in Adobe RGB and then convert it in sRGB when uploading on the web only?
Jennefer Cooper If you ever plan to print high quality in future where color reproduction is important, then Work in Adobe, if not sRGB is fine for web and general prints.
@@Stylemypic just a quick clarification for me, will the color shift if I work in pro and then convert to sRGB? it will be slightly dull?
Jennefer Cooper It won’t change if you convert the colorspace by using the option convert to profile. If at all, the changes won’t be visible. But, if you ‘assign’ color profile instead of ‘convert’ profile, that is when the colors get drastically affected.
@@Stylemypic oh good to know. Thank you for the responsive and clear answers! very helpful!
Whenever I convert a ProPhoto RGB to a sRGB there is a major color change. The image becomes duller. I even elect "perceptual" when switching from ProPhoto to sRGB like instructed in the video. Any ideas? I cannot find a solution to this anywhere I look.
Are you working with very high saturated colors? Most probably those colors are out of gamut of sRGB color space. See if this video helps understand better: ua-cam.com/video/8ZXXpomtODc/v-deo.html
Thanks so much for this video! it's super amazing
Which is more better for portrait s photography in camera Adobe rgb or srgb
It doesn't matter if you shoot portraits or landscape. If you shoot RAW, the camera settings won't matter. If you shoot JPG, then the setting makes a difference. The important thing is how will you finally output the image. If the final image is meant to be seen only on screen, then sRGB is fine. For high quality prints, Adobe RGB is better.
Really Great Video !!
thanks
I shoot in Raw with my Canon 5D Mark 4 DSLR, I edit in Lightroom (not the classic) on my computer desktop, and I export my image as JPEG, with Color Space sRGB. But when I upload images PASS Gallery, a message shows up saying my image Color Space isn't sRGB so color image will look different. Has anyone had this problem? and how can I fix it?
Did you try uploading from a different browser?
One thing confuses me a lot. Does it make sense to retouch in ProPhoto even if my monitor is able to show 99% of AdobeRGB and not ProPhoto color gamut? Can I see all Prophoto gamut on my monitor?
Thanks.
No you won't see all the ProPhoto colors. But if your images have high saturation areas, then editing in ProPhoto RGB will give you a better quality AdobeRGB when you convert the final edited image.
@@Stylemypic thanks a lot
but if i have a monitor that can display all Adobe rgb colors is it better to shoot Adobe rgb in camera jpg or raw to Adobe rgb or will srgb Pictures look better on a Adobe rgb monitor
Definitely shoot in RAW if you retouch your images, regardless of what monitor you have. RAW gives color flexibility for editing while camera jpeg will bake in those colors. Convert the raw to adobe rgb for printing or srgb for internet.
If my 4K monitor ( LG27UK650)has 100% of SRGB coverage and only 80% Adobe RGB and it is calibrated by Spyder X Pro, should I set sRGB or Adobe RGB, or ProPhoto RGB when editing RAW files as my Working Color Space? Data Color reached out to me and said I should calibrate it as a standard LED, not Wide Gamut. (8 bit panel + 2 bit FRC) Thank you
If you export your RAW file to Photoshop for further editing, then export it as ProPhoto RGB. You can also set the working space to ProPhoto RGB in Photoshop. The larger ProPhoto color space lets you edit with color values that might exist in your image but can't be seen. Once final edit is done in Photoshop, then export in any other colorspace as required. Data Color is talking about your display monitor colorspace, which is different.
Elf Waldgeist The main reason is to make use of all the extra color information that is available in ProPhoto during editing which should result in smoother color transition mainly with extreme edits.
@@Stylemypic Elf was asking how, not why.
keioghein hi Keioghein, you should learn working on colours using RGB or LAB number values.
So Adobe Rgb has different Colors than sRGB , not more ?
Adobe RGB has more colors, due to this the RGB values are mapped differently than sRGB. So a certain RGB value might show different colors in sRGB and Adobe RGB.
What is the difference between prophoto rgb vs dci p3 colour gamut
DCI P3 is a newer color space which has slightly larger color gamut than sRGB color space, and slightly less than Adobe RGB. So it fits right in between sRGB and Adobe RGB. Pro PhotoRGB color gamut is even larger than Adobe RGB.
@@Stylemypic thanks so overall price to performance display should have 💯% adobe rgb right
@@TechPill_ As of 2021, Yes.
How can I shoot Prophoto RGB with a nikon? Do I have to set it in the camera settings?
Firstly, Shoot in Raw... and then while converting the Raw image in Lightroom (or Capture One) make sure to assign the ProPhoto RGB profile.
@@Stylemypic Thanks! Also, I recently bought a nikon d610 as my first full frame camera. What "cheap" zoom lenses would you recommend me to get started?
I would suggest you go for a couple of cheap/budget primes as the quality is always MUCH better than the cheap zooms, and sometimes even on par with expensive zooms.
what about ACES.....
sRGB all the way!
great!!
why use pro photo if it cant be used or seen on a printer or on the web?
b1blazin13 The main reason is to make use of all the extra color information that is available in ProPhoto during editing which should result in smoother color transition mainly with extreme edits. So you have a great starting place before you convert it to Adobe rgb for printing or sRgb for web.
After I edit my photos on my 99% colour accurate monitor then export sRGB and look on my phone everything is green. Can anyone help?
There could be so many factors...is your monitor calibrated? what is the color space you are editing on? Make sure your color profile isn't stripped during export. And if it is not stripped, did you convert or assign profile to sRGB?
This video can be helpful: ua-cam.com/video/nB7aEiKQw6E/v-deo.html
@@Stylemypic thank you. I will have a look and get back to you
Where is dci p3?
DCI P3 is slightly better than sRGB and could completely replace sRGB in future as the new standard and take the third place in the list.
Only use ProPhoto if your monitor can display it AND if you are going to be printing your images, use sRGB all other times. ProPhoto doesn't give you any perks over sRGB if you are eventually going to convert to sRGB. All it does is let YOU see those extra tones (with a monitor that displays that profile), everyone else sees the same image on their sRGB screens. Also, once it is converted to sRGB it looks exactly the same as it would if you were to edit in sRGB to begin with. Trust me, try it for yourself and see. This is one of the most misunderstood things in photography and everyone seems to think they are an expert.
An easy to understand explanation - A 500ml jug of water (prophoto) poured into a 250ml cup (srgb) = a 250ml cup (srgb). The conversion does not do shit, it doesn't magically turn sRGB into a bigger colour space.
@Jaroslav Bolina Sadly not true. All it does is let you SEE (with a monitor that can display...) the colours your monitor is capable of displaying. It lets you make better adjustments in terms of 'accuracy' to things like WB since you can SEE the difference in colours/tones. But it DOES NOT do anything to the file or final image by itself.
@@WizardOfCheese "with a monitor that can display..."
Which monitor is that?
@@keioghein9514 Sorry, bad explanation. The colour profiles are only good for DISPLAYING colours while you edit them, once they are converted down to sRGB, the end product looks exactly the same way it would if you were to edit with sRGB. A 500ml jug of water poured into a 250ml cup = a 250ml cup. thats essentially what AdobeRGB/ProPhoto to sRGB is doing (metaphor ftw). Hope this helps.
@@WizardOfCheese So you're saying ProPhoto can be seen on some monitors while you edit them, right? So I'm asking which monitors. But StyleMyPic just says there are no monitors that can show ProPhoto. But he also says if you use ProPhoto, you will have smoother color transition! I'm confused!
@@keioghein9514 I have no clue, google, I'm assuming there is a monitor out there that can display it, otherwise why are they bringing it up? the bigger question is: is there a printer out there that can use the larger colour space? if not, whats the point? Most peoples monitors are sRGB so there is DEFINITELY no point in using it 'for web'.
Yes, you'll SEE smoother color transition (and more variations of tones) with larger colour spaces IF your monitor can display them (but it wont look any different from sRGB to everybody else viewing from sRGB monitors - which the majority of people use). I guess its hard to explain and thats why people make these stupid videos.
Here is a test you can try out yourself - in preferences set your colour space to ProPhoto and apply a preset, convert to sRGB and save as a jpeg. Next - change your prefs to sRGB, open the same raw image, apply the same preset, save as jpeg (no need to convert because its already sRGB). Now compare the two images side-by-side in ANY colour space you like. They will look identical. There are no extra tones or smoother colour transitions. Check the histogram if you want to double-check, its a placebo. The greatest 'unlock' you can do with raw files is always edit in 16 Bit and don't re-edit Jpegs because they are 8 Bit and degrade quickly due to compression.
The only way you get to keep those 'extra tones' is if you save it as a 16bit TIFF with the colour space embedded - for print. If you upload an AdobeRGB/ProPhoto online it can mess with the colours in a bad way (pale green tones). Best to just keep it on sRGB and edit what you know everybody else will see, UNLESS you are printing, then sure go with AdobeRGB/ProPhoto.
ProPhoto? Ha! So small ;) xTreme RGB is where it's at, yo.
This misinformed! How and why would you 'edit' in ProPhoto when there is NO DISPLAY that can even display (show you visually) all of the colors / range? As of today, there isn't even a printer that can print the full range of colors in ProPhoto!
So, if there is no display or printer that can show the full gamut of colors in ProPhoto, why on earth would you edit and then export in ProPhoto color space? You will 100% not get what you see while editing.
Photoshop is a ripoff.