I am an old man of 76, my Father flew the C-47 in W about Market GardenW2, at D-day, and Market Garden also the last jump into Germany. He always said Monty should have been cashiered after Market Garden. But due to politics he wasn;t.
Years before Market Garden Britain went de facto bankrupt and was massively in debt to the US. Britain needed the war to end quickly and Market Garden offered that promise, so in that sense, it may have been worth a shot. But it was always risky and there were far too many working parts that needed to work on time for it to succeed.
@@patrickh4540 name one field marshall that doesnt have an ego thats why they are field Marshell's. but the thing with monty was he was still bloody good.
Monty wasn't cashiered after Market Garden because he won more than he lost. From memory the last British General to never lose a battle was Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington.
This operation was poorly prepared. This greatly increased the risk of Montgomery losing. But the biggest filth is that he blamed the Polish general Sosabowski - the commander of the 1st independent parachute brigade - for the defeat. The unit of which was dropped in installments with delay, deprived of heavy equipment and yet, with improvised means, it moved its soldiers across the Rhine River under German fire to help the British in Anhem, and precisely in Oosterbeek. It was unforgivable crap. Especially that during the operation, Sosabowski, at the commanders' meeting in Valburg, presented a plan on how to save the entire operation. But the British had already decided to end it.
A little detail that I love about the C-47 in IL-2 is that when you're in a combat zone where flak or fighters might be expected, your copilot actually puts on his flak helmet like you can see When Taff first looks at him he has the classic cover on, but after the drop has commenced and Taff looks in his direction you can see he has put his flak helmet on
I love Medal of Honor: Airborne. To this day it remains one of my favorite games, even despite the creative liberty they took with the history it is set around. They would have never jumped directly into the city of Nijmegen like that, but I understand they made the jumps into urban areas in the game for time constraint reasons.
@@jerrysmooth24 Brothers in Arms remains one of my favorite video game series of all time. I just wish Gearbox would be honest with us on whether or not they are ever going to make another one though. Every time somebody asks Randy Pitchford about it he says one is in the works, but not ready to be shown. Then years pass, and still nothing.
@@duglife2230 It sucks that we are in a video game dark age and having the humanity in the violence that brothers in arms had especially with confines of small unit tactics on ps2 and early ps3/360 technology i wonder if they would either follow up on baker's personal story through the 101st through the Ardennes, Belgium and the alps basically stealing from the story of band of brothers like the original games or what i fear they would do is make generic mediocrity like most fps games of today and show sanitized war and violence avoid the holocaust and the things that people had to go through in the ETO using video games not as art reflecting life but instead use the franchise for a cheap derivative cash grab something like you would see from 95% these studios today.
Been to the Ginkelse Heide last year for the Market Garden memorial.. From Veterans to parachutists, lovely to see.. The best thing of that whole day was to see the C47 who actually flown in the Market Garden campaign, fly over the Ginkelse Heide yet again, 78 years later to drop guys from the Parachute Group Holland. After the C47 the newer planes and airborne troops went, well over 300 paratroopers and I believe around 20 planes, was an amazing sight to see with some low passes too!
Great video! Thank you for doing this video on the C-47. Not that it will happen, but the developers should correct the exit of the paratroopers. US paratroopers exit the aircraft and form a bit of an L-shape until the chute opens. They don't tumble like aircrew bailing out. Paratroopers tumbling like that have a significantly higher risk of getting tangled in the chute and suspension lines if they're tumbling. Retired paratrooper here. Airborne All the Way!!
I'm currently reading Cornelius Ryan's 'A Bridge Too Far'. Thanks to captured Market-Garden plans the Luftwaffe scraped everything it had and was poised to wreck the airborne drops. Fortunately fog and weather delays postponed the first drops. However by the second drop the flak and Luftwaffe fighters took a heavy toll on the C-47's. One piloted by a Commander Lord was on fire but he circled his plane around until all of the supplies were dropped. He was posthumously awarded the Victoria Cross but sadly the supplies fell into German hands who'd overrun the dropping zones. Market Garden was plagued with problems as soon as the first airdrop hit the ground.
This is great! I know the C47 probably doesn't have enough variety for a career, but this video was a great standalone thing! I always enjoy the less obvious planes in these games.
My dad flew C-47s in China, Burma, India (CBI) over the Himalayan Mountains. Those planes were at maximum altitude flying over those mountains, very difficult.
Nice use of Medal of Honor Airborne back there. That takes me back to my PS3 days plus seeing all those Dakotas take off is kinda like in the first episode of Band of Brothers.
This was an amazing video Hope to see more like this A few years ago, my then partner and my home town were linked to Market Garden and something even more amazing. It turns out her grandfather was a Scottish paratrooper who’d been involved in Market Garden. Not long after he got home, he was ordered to participate in a hugely secret mission. There was a Polish drunk who lived in my home town, Dumbarton, but he was an expert safecracker (I have no idea). I tell this story kinda third hand as my partners grandfather took his oath of silence very seriously and died without ever telling his family but it became linked to me in a very strange way. I’ll try make this make sense but I’ll probably be all over the place. I work in elderly care and the war came up once or twice but, for obvious reasons, it was never dwelled on. I was told a story about this Polish safe cracker, who everyone in Dumbarton knew. I must apologise as his name escapes me. Anyway, he was in jail for something, probably petty larceny or drunk & dusordely, I can’t remember, but he had a terrible record of arrests. Whilst in his cell, the story goes, the army approached him about a mission which, if he took, he’d be free from jail and his criminal record expunged. I can’t remember if there was much persuading or not, but he accepted the mission. He was then dropped in Germany with a paratroop regiment, broke into some place (I don’t think it was Hitler’s famous Eagle’s Nest but it was obviously important. What was smuggled out, amongst other items, was a list of every German spy and where they were located in Britain, which apparebtly brought the war to an end 5 years earlier than it would have. Fascinating stuff. In my head, there were only days apart between me telling my partner this and her receiving a call from a writer, but it was probably way more than that. This writer was writing a book on the incident I just described and he wanted to talk to my the GF about her grandad. She had no idea why but he explained that her grandad was one of the paratroopers that dropped in with this Polish guy. Sadly, hee grandfather passed maybe a year to 18 months before this cane to light so she’d no idea if he had any mementos. The writer was put in to other family members who’d have a better idea. I’ve honestly no idea what became of the book or anything. It’s a shame. I hope his story got out there because it’s a great one to tell. The service users in my day centre told me there was a film based on the whole story but I forget the name and I believe all names were changed. Sorry this was so long I’m not the most succinct of people but, if you made it to the end, thank you and well done lol
Coming from Warthunder I didn’t realise how hard it was to shoot down the larger aircraft. If I use the Bf-109 against a C-47 it’s basically impossible to shoot down without running out of ammo.
In Il-2 gun ballistics and damage will be 1-1, this requires you to be very accurate and hit specific spots like the engines or cockpit. Warthunder's RNG shrapnel mechanic makes damage a lot simpler and fatal as with random chance a shot to the wing can cause critical damage to your engine.
Seeing the C47 now in game. Really makes me want to redownload the game and buy it since i do have most of the DLC maps and the JU52. just missing Normandy now which i plan to get.
Great video. I'm waiting for more C-47. Remember the guys fighting on Earth need a lot of help and supplies. It's a pity that the creators did not include the colors of the parachutes, which made it easier to quickly identify what is in the containers. No markings on the ground. If there was a briefing with maps and drop zones shown, that would also make your video very attractive.
There is a story of the trooper who’s parachute became fouled up on the local church in the town. The trooper pretended to be dead. As the town was occupied by the Germans.
Nah, there was a lot of controversy actually because they dropped them at sites some considered too far from the towns. In my opinion though 8 miles isnt too far to ask a para to walk.
They dropped them into fields. Going directly into a city would be suicide, not just because you'd draw more fire, but because you'd be risking serious bodily harm or even death from smacking into buildings and whatnot. Even dropping into fields was not without injury. The commander of the 82nd Airborne Division, Major General James Gavin, cracked his spine during the Market Garden jump. And it was considered text book, at least for the American paratroopers. Soft landings all around, and only sparse enemy fire in the fields. Another reason is because the major cities and bridges were not the only targets. Different elements of the 82nd, 101st, and British airborne divisions had other objectives such as securing high ground for artillery and securing the Dutch-German border so that the Germans would have a hard time bringing in reinforcements. I reckon they made it like this in the game for time reasons. They also had the Normandy jump take place in daylight and completely ignored the 82nd's crossing of the Waal river to attack the Nijmegen bridge from both sides. Still one of my favorite games though!
I would also like to add that the 82nd most definitely did not secure the Nijmegen bridge on the same day of the jump. It took days of fighting to lock it down, and even after that the Germans were constantly launching counterattacks. But again, time constraints.
Sometimes a sprinkling of luck, good or bad, can change the outcome of an operation. Yes, it was a bridge too far, but taking those other bridges at a later time, or more conventionally, may have changed the outcome too, what impact did that spearhead have on Hitler and his generals that may have altered the battles won in other regions?
I’m puzzled why you’d be flying North to drop on Holland when all aircraft flew from U.K. a relative was on that raid. American paratroopers! Wasn’t it only the British?
@@BullGator-kd6ge yes but only the British where dropped at the bridge as featured in the real bridge battle, the yanks where there to capture the approach bridges
More than one bridge mate, the 82nd and 101st had a pretty good fight at the Bridges at Eindhoven and Nijmegen, the British had the last bridge at Arnhem, which they failed to take due to the German resistance, poor planning and bad drops
Love the little editing of "medal of Honor Airborne" That was a fun game back then until you run into the "Nazi Storm Elite" Troops in the Factory and Flak Tower missions. 😎🍺
I am an old man of 76, my Father flew the C-47 in W about Market GardenW2, at D-day, and Market Garden also the last jump into Germany. He always said Monty should have been cashiered after Market Garden. But due to politics he wasn;t.
Years before Market Garden Britain went de facto bankrupt and was massively in debt to the US. Britain needed the war to end quickly and Market Garden offered that promise, so in that sense, it may have been worth a shot. But it was always risky and there were far too many working parts that needed to work on time for it to succeed.
Montgomery was more an ego than a field marshall as history has proven.
@@patrickh4540 name one field marshall that doesnt have an ego thats why they are field Marshell's. but the thing with monty was he was still bloody good.
Monty wasn't cashiered after Market Garden because he won more than he lost. From memory the last British General to never lose a battle was Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington.
This operation was poorly prepared. This greatly increased the risk of Montgomery losing. But the biggest filth is that he blamed the Polish general Sosabowski - the commander of the 1st independent parachute brigade - for the defeat. The unit of which was dropped in installments with delay, deprived of heavy equipment and yet, with improvised means, it moved its soldiers across the Rhine River under German fire to help the British in Anhem, and precisely in Oosterbeek. It was unforgivable crap. Especially that during the operation, Sosabowski, at the commanders' meeting in Valburg, presented a plan on how to save the entire operation. But the British had already decided to end it.
A little detail that I love about the C-47 in IL-2 is that when you're in a combat zone where flak or fighters might be expected, your copilot actually puts on his flak helmet like you can see
When Taff first looks at him he has the classic cover on, but after the drop has commenced and Taff looks in his direction you can see he has put his flak helmet on
Do the bomber crew do that?
I love Medal of Honor: Airborne. To this day it remains one of my favorite games, even despite the creative liberty they took with the history it is set around. They would have never jumped directly into the city of Nijmegen like that, but I understand they made the jumps into urban areas in the game for time constraint reasons.
Moh Airborne, Cod Waw, and Brothers in arms are the holy trifecta of ww2 fps games
@@jerrysmooth24 Brothers in Arms remains one of my favorite video game series of all time. I just wish Gearbox would be honest with us on whether or not they are ever going to make another one though. Every time somebody asks Randy Pitchford about it he says one is in the works, but not ready to be shown. Then years pass, and still nothing.
@@duglife2230 It sucks that we are in a video game dark age and having the humanity in the violence that brothers in arms had especially with confines of small unit tactics on ps2 and early ps3/360 technology i wonder if they would either follow up on baker's personal story through the 101st through the Ardennes, Belgium and the alps basically stealing from the story of band of brothers like the original games or what i fear they would do is make generic mediocrity like most fps games of today and show sanitized war and violence avoid the holocaust and the things that people had to go through in the ETO using video games not as art reflecting life but instead use the franchise for a cheap derivative cash grab something like you would see from 95% these studios today.
You and me both, my friend. I absolutely love Medal of Honor Airborne too
I agree with you I love playing medal of honour games I got airborne and the pacific game
Been to the Ginkelse Heide last year for the Market Garden memorial.. From Veterans to parachutists, lovely to see.. The best thing of that whole day was to see the C47 who actually flown in the Market Garden campaign, fly over the Ginkelse Heide yet again, 78 years later to drop guys from the Parachute Group Holland. After the C47 the newer planes and airborne troops went, well over 300 paratroopers and I believe around 20 planes, was an amazing sight to see with some low passes too!
Great video! Thank you for doing this video on the C-47.
Not that it will happen, but the developers should correct the exit of the paratroopers. US paratroopers exit the aircraft and form a bit of an L-shape until the chute opens. They don't tumble like aircrew bailing out. Paratroopers tumbling like that have a significantly higher risk of getting tangled in the chute and suspension lines if they're tumbling.
Retired paratrooper here. Airborne All the Way!!
The audio from MoH: Airborne took me years back. Awesome reference.
I knew I recognized that voice
To qoute Ace Combat Zero:"That sound takes me back."
I'm currently reading Cornelius Ryan's 'A Bridge Too Far'. Thanks to captured Market-Garden plans the Luftwaffe scraped everything it had and was poised to wreck the airborne drops. Fortunately fog and weather delays postponed the first drops. However by the second drop the flak and Luftwaffe fighters took a heavy toll on the C-47's. One piloted by a Commander Lord was on fire but he circled his plane around until all of the supplies were dropped. He was posthumously awarded the Victoria Cross but sadly the supplies fell into German hands who'd overrun the dropping zones. Market Garden was plagued with problems as soon as the first airdrop hit the ground.
This is great! I know the C47 probably doesn't have enough variety for a career, but this video was a great standalone thing! I always enjoy the less obvious planes in these games.
And cutting in that FPS footage was genius! You rock!
My dad flew C-47s in China, Burma, India (CBI) over the Himalayan Mountains. Those planes were at maximum altitude flying over those mountains, very difficult.
Really liked this, a really nice change of pace from the other IL-2 videos. Id love another bomber campaign 😊
Loved the Medal of Honour games thanks for the memories mate..
Nice use of Medal of Honor Airborne back there. That takes me back to my PS3 days plus seeing all those Dakotas take off is kinda like in the first episode of Band of Brothers.
Beautiful plane. All the transported have their own beauty.
This was an amazing video
Hope to see more like this
A few years ago, my then partner and my home town were linked to Market Garden and something even more amazing.
It turns out her grandfather was a Scottish paratrooper who’d been involved in Market Garden. Not long after he got home, he was ordered to participate in a hugely secret mission.
There was a Polish drunk who lived in my home town, Dumbarton, but he was an expert safecracker (I have no idea).
I tell this story kinda third hand as my partners grandfather took his oath of silence very seriously and died without ever telling his family but it became linked to me in a very strange way.
I’ll try make this make sense but I’ll probably be all over the place.
I work in elderly care and the war came up once or twice but, for obvious reasons, it was never dwelled on.
I was told a story about this Polish safe cracker, who everyone in Dumbarton knew. I must apologise as his name escapes me. Anyway, he was in jail for something, probably petty larceny or drunk & dusordely, I can’t remember, but he had a terrible record of arrests.
Whilst in his cell, the story goes, the army approached him about a mission which, if he took, he’d be free from jail and his criminal record expunged. I can’t remember if there was much persuading or not, but he accepted the mission.
He was then dropped in Germany with a paratroop regiment, broke into some place (I don’t think it was Hitler’s famous Eagle’s Nest but it was obviously important. What was smuggled out, amongst other items, was a list of every German spy and where they were located in Britain, which apparebtly brought the war to an end 5 years earlier than it would have.
Fascinating stuff.
In my head, there were only days apart between me telling my partner this and her receiving a call from a writer, but it was probably way more than that.
This writer was writing a book on the incident I just described and he wanted to talk to my the GF about her grandad. She had no idea why but he explained that her grandad was one of the paratroopers that dropped in with this Polish guy.
Sadly, hee grandfather passed maybe a year to 18 months before this cane to light so she’d no idea if he had any mementos. The writer was put in to other family members who’d have a better idea.
I’ve honestly no idea what became of the book or anything. It’s a shame. I hope his story got out there because it’s a great one to tell.
The service users in my day centre told me there was a film based on the whole story but I forget the name and I believe all names were changed.
Sorry this was so long
I’m not the most succinct of people but, if you made it to the end, thank you and well done lol
Sounds really interesting.
Coming from Warthunder I didn’t realise how hard it was to shoot down the larger aircraft. If I use the Bf-109 against a C-47 it’s basically impossible to shoot down without running out of ammo.
I think you will find that was not a Bf-109. Those German fighters were Fw-190 Doras.
@@colindouglas7769 Yes I know but I just meant in general and not in this specific circumstance.
In Il-2 gun ballistics and damage will be 1-1, this requires you to be very accurate and hit specific spots like the engines or cockpit. Warthunder's RNG shrapnel mechanic makes damage a lot simpler and fatal as with random chance a shot to the wing can cause critical damage to your engine.
Seeing the C47 now in game. Really makes me want to redownload the game and buy it since i do have most of the DLC maps and the JU52. just missing Normandy now which i plan to get.
Nice one! Great video!
The music accompanying the 109’s when they show themselves, and when they crash adds immense value to immersion honestly I like it a lot Taff
At what point in the video? Do you mean the Fw-190s?
@@InitialiseDisk 190’s*
Those looked like Fw-190 A-8 or D-9 Doras to me; definitely not Bf-109s.
Cool Idea!
That medal of honor frontline soundtrack just fit
Great video. I'm waiting for more C-47. Remember the guys fighting on Earth need a lot of help and supplies. It's a pity that the creators did not include the colors of the parachutes, which made it easier to quickly identify what is in the containers. No markings on the ground. If there was a briefing with maps and drop zones shown, that would also make your video very attractive.
Great to see that you know it's import to keep the tail up on landing.
An nice touch you put in Medal of Honor airborne in the video, please play that game sometime to
Mr Taff…. Do you use VR or TrackrIR? Curious
P 51b's up against Dora's Surely the Dora would wipe them off the map!
Refreshingly different.
Did they really drop the troops right on a town like that? I only saw films of them going in to fields.
There is a story of the trooper who’s parachute became fouled up on the local church in the town. The trooper pretended to be dead. As the town was occupied by the Germans.
Nah, there was a lot of controversy actually because they dropped them at sites some considered too far from the towns. In my opinion though 8 miles isnt too far to ask a para to walk.
They dropped them into fields. Going directly into a city would be suicide, not just because you'd draw more fire, but because you'd be risking serious bodily harm or even death from smacking into buildings and whatnot. Even dropping into fields was not without injury. The commander of the 82nd Airborne Division, Major General James Gavin, cracked his spine during the Market Garden jump. And it was considered text book, at least for the American paratroopers. Soft landings all around, and only sparse enemy fire in the fields. Another reason is because the major cities and bridges were not the only targets. Different elements of the 82nd, 101st, and British airborne divisions had other objectives such as securing high ground for artillery and securing the Dutch-German border so that the Germans would have a hard time bringing in reinforcements.
I reckon they made it like this in the game for time reasons. They also had the Normandy jump take place in daylight and completely ignored the 82nd's crossing of the Waal river to attack the Nijmegen bridge from both sides. Still one of my favorite games though!
I would also like to add that the 82nd most definitely did not secure the Nijmegen bridge on the same day of the jump. It took days of fighting to lock it down, and even after that the Germans were constantly launching counterattacks. But again, time constraints.
They were dropped into fields but a lot of American Canadian and British Paratroopers drifted into towns because of wind
4U - is that some sort of delivery joke ?
Nice one! When‘s the next campaign happening? I‘d love one with the thunderbolt
Are there night flights in IL sturmovik
DO A SERIES ON THIS PLANE PLEASE
Can you control Infantry now?
BAR FTW.
Where were the Tiffys at Arnhem? Seems to me they'd be all over 1st Airborne.
What's a Tiffy?
@@Planefan1000 Typhoon CAS.
God, MOH Airborne was such an INCREDIBLE game! I wish a studio would do something like that again but build on it.
Sometimes a sprinkling of luck, good or bad, can change the outcome of an operation. Yes, it was a bridge too far, but taking those other bridges at a later time, or more conventionally, may have changed the outcome too, what impact did that spearhead have on Hitler and his generals that may have altered the battles won in other regions?
Does anybody knows how to get Medal of honor or the old COD to work on windows 11?
By food its got to be TNT Seasoned German Beef cooked straight from the Field by the Mighty Eighth 😆
Sing along if you're old enough to remember Ricky Nelson, 🎼🎸"Taff went to a Garden Party, said hello to some old friends."
should be below 1000 ft for a combat jump, more like 500-600 to minimize time in the air. just sayin :)
Good video to bad Market garden was a failure, doe the C- 47 have a functional cockpi
I liked your inclusion of Arnhem Knights from MoH:Frontline
I’m puzzled why you’d be flying North to drop on Holland when all aircraft flew from U.K. a relative was on that raid. American paratroopers! Wasn’t it only the British?
Operation Market Garden saw combatants from Canada, The UK, The USA, Poland, Belgium and the Netherlands all working together
The American 101st and 82nd Airborne Divisions took part in Market Garden
@@BullGator-kd6ge yes but only the British where dropped at the bridge as featured in the real bridge battle, the yanks where there to capture the approach bridges
More than one bridge mate, the 82nd and 101st had a pretty good fight at the Bridges at Eindhoven and Nijmegen, the British had the last bridge at Arnhem, which they failed to take due to the German resistance, poor planning and bad drops
You forgot to mention the most important supply: berets.
A myth from the film version of 'A Bridge Too Far', but symbolically accurate, perhaps.
Love the little editing of "medal of Honor Airborne" That was a fun game back then until you run into the "Nazi Storm Elite" Troops in the Factory and Flak Tower missions. 😎🍺
Not sure if anybody is interested, I heard Lidl supermarket is selling Airfix models cheap,UK only.
Hey
If you must insist on using non-period music in your video, you could at least have used "Chaos in Nijmegen" by The Squats.
Was this video just an excuse to play MoH airborne? :P
Another Monty disaster.
First!
Depp!
You dropped them on the flaming town ffs