Not a production carpenter, but more of an advanced DIYer. I went a third route, that’s more hybrid. Since I have all the trim guns from finishing my basement and previous handyman projects, I didn’t want to buy all new cordless guns, mostly based on cost. After some looking around and reviews, I bought a cordless quiet portable air compressor. I’m already invested in the Milwaukee battery systems, so I picked up the M18 compressor and was very surprised how quiet it was. With that compressor and a short urethane coil hose, I can just bring the compressor right with me into the room I’m working in, with minimal setup and cords/hoses to deal with. I remember originally laughing at the cordless compressor when it came out, but after using it, it’s a great way to add cordless portability to many of my pneumatic tools.
You're right! Plus I hate costly proprietary systems, whether batteries or fuel cells. I replaced all cordless nailers with new pneumatics (Metabo/Hitachi) to integrate with other pneumatic nailers/staplers in my system. I had some Paslode cordless nailers that worked fine until Paslode stopped supporting fuel cell adapters. I won't repeat that mistake.
Nice video Ron! Thanks for making it, for those of us that were interested. I think it comes down to weight and the right tool for the job, to which you have proven. Thanks again, and keep the videos coming!
Couldn't agree more on all points. I went through the same sequence... started with air, then slowly introduced cordless starting with Paslode... didn't like dealing with the fuel cartridges. Went to DeWalt, didn't like the flywheel type mechanism... caused a recoil which dented the wood and also didn't' drive consistently. Now using Milwaukee for cordless trim nailers, they are excellent. But... I still prefer air... you can't beat it for gun weight and size (fit into tighter spaces), and consistent driving. As others have pointed out, it is a pain sometimes due to tripping breakers. To solve that, I have recently been running the cordless Milwaukee compressor with my 18 gauge pneumatic gun, love it. The compressor is light and easy to move around, and you get the benefits of air without the drawbacks of a high amp draw compressor. Plus it's incredibly quiet. I haven't been running it long enough to testify as to longevity, but so far so great.
Ive got the milwaukee platform, enjoyed it initially and if all you do is nail and cut timber its the answer. Bought a mig and plasma without inbuilt compressor, the compressor has become a staple for me again. With air pop riviters, nailers, fixers, plasmas, spraying etc, the compressor has become my go to now. The final thing for me was the ability to run the compressor on a solar powered 12 volt inverter off grid and do anything i need to do was the winner for me
I have a similarly built Paulk trailer, and run all Milwaukee M18 nail guns, and one M12 nail gun. (15g DA nailer, 18g brad, 18g narrow crown, 33° framer, M12 23g pinner). I have a small compressor for a few pneumatic tools, and as a backup, but otherwise a mostly cordless jobsite. Asside from the obvious weight (& cost) difference, they’ve worked out just fine the last few years. Working 24’ up high installing nickel gap ceiling boards without an air-hose was worth it.
I totally agree, but having said that, 😊I find myself using my 18g cordless brad nailer and 18g narrow crown stapler all the time in the workshop because of the extra weight and their ability to sink the brads/staples so consitently. I do still use the pneumatic nailers and staplers from time to time, but nowhere near as often now. I pre hang doors on a regular basis for a local hardware store and for that i use the 18g cordless stapler for the jambs as i then don't need to take a compressor and hose. Most of my work is in the shop, but then i am typically spending a day or two installing the stuff & that's where the cordless stuff shines. I also have the Milwaukee M12 23g pinner, which i like, but just like my pneumatic 23g pinner, i will often reach for the 21g pinner over the 23g pinner, as i find it holds way better if there is any twist or bow to whatever i'm nailing up. Great video!
My Milwaukee 18g and Framing nailers are the first nailers I’ll grab when needed. I’ll only grab an air nailer if I’m working overhead for long periods. Cordless is perfect for most of my needs. Hate dragging hoses and cords.
I agree with you, Ron. I mostly do cabinet installation and use my dewalt 18 and 23 cordless nailers, and they work great. Just recently, i picked up a whole house trim job. I started with the cordless, and I found area's wear my cordless guns would not fit (building build-ins and stair work ), and it felt slower and awkward. I said enough is enough and pulled out my pneumatic guns and compressor . So much faster and less problems. I believe cordless has it place, but it does not supersede pneumatic tools for production and ease.
“Qualified” agreement. When I do (rare) rough carpentry, decades of experience with Hitachi framing and siding nailers and I’ve no compelling reason to change it up. No longer do production trim work but long experience with Senco guns (primarily 15 gauge) but honestly don’t know to comment on cordless for the use case. Shop work, I prefer air and when warranted (because of scale) will setup onsite. My experience has me preferring Grex. However, most of my site work is fine finish, built ins and the like. The homes are already finished so battery guns fit the use case better. When I bought them, I didn’t like the noise of Dewalt (my then battery platform) and went with Metabo (15,18, and 23 gauge). Heavy but quiet. Ok but, I agree with Ron in that inferior ergonomics and inconsistent vs air. Worth mentioning that air compressors have improved. Tried the Dewalt 60v and wouldn’t recommend it (power demand too great for battery) but recently bought a California Air and it’s impressive (in particular) quiet. To do it again (onsite finishing nailers) I’d go with air and a tiny California Air compressor/short hose for onsite fine finish.
II have used Senco forever and have never encountered any problems. When I started purchasing Senco products, it was mainly because the parts were readily available and the local service center was outstanding. That may not be true today, so perhaps I will switch to another gun if service becomes an issue. Every tool is like a chainsaw - they need to be serviced, and if you cannot get it serviced quickly, it is a useless tool. However, I own one Paslode gas-driven gun and can honestly say it has worked flawlessly. I really appreciate it when I’m using a body harness and lifeline. While the gas cartridges can be a hassle, overall, it has no more under-driven nails than my pneumatic guns. The battery-powered guns are still heavier than I prefer, but the roofing guns show promise since the work is primarily at your feet instead of overhead. I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas.
Nice video Ron! I feel the same way if i have a small trim projects i love my Bostich finish and brad nailer. But on bigger trim projects and framing i still like my pneumatics.
Have both the Hitachi 18g and 23g air guns for about 15 years now. They are my primary nailers in the shop. Great nailers. Also have an 18g Ryobi battery powered nailer that I've had since they came out, great for doors and jams on the job site when air availability is questionable. . Also have a Harbor Freight 18g nailer / narrow crown staple gun that I only use for staples in the shop. It works just fine for the few times a year I need it. Even reclaimed my old Iron Maiden C+H framing nailer from my brother to build a shed for a friend. That thing weighs a ton, but it still air drives those nails. I keep some test blocks around the shop that I use for test firing the first nails when using a gun after I've oiled it. I guess that it really depends on the type of work you are doing. In the shop, its air all the way. But for installs of cabinets, doors, and trim work, I kinda like the battery operated stuff the best. Going to try the Ryobi 23g pin nailer next year (It's a battery thing). Just don't like pulling an air hose around a job site any more.
Ron is wrong on this. Cordless nail guns have come a long way and except for roofing, cordless nail guns are just more convenient when in a jobsite. Milwaukee nail guns are the top of the line. For working inside a wood shop that you don’t need to kove the tools around, sure having a hose connected to a tool works. Not when working in a jobsite going from floor to floor working.
As a home hobbyist, building things for my house and family, I've switched to cordless and LOVE them. Have not used my Dewalt air nails for years, actually they are up for sale. Sorry, I am going to continue to enjoy using my cordless units.
Just an anecdote a man I worked for for several years here in WA gave me one of the good mid 2000's Hitachi stick framers and a bostitch strapshot Teko nailer when he retired and downsized his shop, I absolutely adore those guns. Those two and a Semco palmnailer for the sinkers and I can make a passable imitation of a good framer even though I'm an oddball finish guy😂
The new Hitachi (Metabo?) Stick framer that replaced my vintage don't compare. Every person I've talked to that committed to one ended up breaking it or switching back😂
I was highly skeptical of the cordless finish nailers. I slowly added them to my trim business and no longer use air. No more stringing out multiple hoses, competing with other trades for limited power on new construction, tripping breakers etc etc. Time saved pays for the cordless cost in just a few jobs.
I do a lot of work in off grid locations and cordless using nailers beats listening to a gas powered compressor. The only exceptions are framing, siding and roofing when driving so many nails that waiting for a cordless nailer to go through its cycle slows production.
Hanging doors and doing small trim jobs I would take Milwaukee cordless all day long. If I’m running a house full of baseboard and casing windows I tend to lead more towards my pneumatic. I love my cordless but they do get heavy. They both have their place and a person won’t go wrong with either one. It comes down to personal preference
The weight on cordless is a problem. That said, I hate chords and compressors so much, that I choose cordless almost always. I don't even carry a compressor anymore.
Paul I have used those GRK cabinet screws for window flange, they have the same coating as the exterior GRK lags so I think its copacetic. Do you do something like that or hand nail roofing nails?
The performance is in the portability. Compressors need electricity or gas. I can go to my Amish neighbor's house with some 3.0 batteries and work with them putting up T&G or shiplap and no generators, compressors plus nobody is tripping overt cords or hoses. Cordless wins. I have M12 stapler, 23ga pinner, NM cable stapler, M18 30deg, 18ga and 15ga. All fantastic and I can use them anywhere and transport them in a car trunk instead of lugging compressors around.
The milwakke come a long way.Been a GC for last 24 years.I agree but love cordless, cost is stupid ,but im mostly doing high end trim now and high vault lids and built ins.Been at it 40+ In my shop I have stacks of guns and air ports all over.At one time I had 6- secco 2'' nailers.I have multiple of the small single secco compressors,put one on each level of the homed the same with my cordless chop saws.Have one of the old 1'' gray secco Pinner.I have a wide crown that I stick backing in for towel bars ,curtains etc.t a 3' wide type version of your table saw top for my job site stuff.Lucky I have home shop w/built in unisaw.I have wheel barrow in jog trlr w/300' on hose reel right thru wall on roller fairlead, air chucks on ext too.I have on board air in the vehicles also Your old school just like me !
I disagree wholeheartedly. Milwaukee line of cordless nailers are the best and fastest you can buy. They all are excellent at nailing (sorry for the pun) a consistent depth and all are extremely fast. Besides, who wants to carry a hose around with them when you are 20 feet up a ladder?
Have you used that new roofer they added to the M18 suite? I roof infrequently enough that I wouldn't worry about burning it up, and I have more m18 batteries than teeth at this point
I would have to disagree in my experience. Cordless is good for small jobs or punch but can’t keep up with air in volume or consistently setting nails. Every time I use my Milwaukee guns I have to set half the nails. Weight comes in to play also. Just my opinion. Cordless is nice at times but if I had to choose one I’d choose air.
Went cordless on all my nailers in the past year. Pneumatic stays in shop or as backup. cordless esp convenient for framing or anything on ladders/ scaffolding. Love them for trim too. No noisy compressors, tripping on chords. Sorry. Respectfully disagree.
I prefer air. You get power and light weight. There are times and jobs where cordless is more convenient, but it is never better. Years ago I picked up a Hitachi 2 tank lightweight portable compressor. It is no more than 20 pounds and is silent. That is my portable setup, while not as portable as a cordless it is close enough for me. For context, I am not full time carpenter, but end up doing a lot where I work.
I’d be curious as to contractors age group when it comes to tool purchaced. I’m retired and have been building since the 70s. My first cordless was the Makita 7.2 drill. I side on the air hose school of thought but there is an alternative not mentioned. In the 90s I bought a (JacPac) co2 for the occasion I had a small repair or had to climb a ladder for something like a facia. It hangs on a belt with a short hose. Downside,bottles need refilling. One day in my shop I looked at all the thousands of dollars of obsolete cordless tools sitting on a shelf and realized how I was scammed. The industry has us by the balls with its marketing wank. Cheers
These young guys focus on the drawback of the hose. Well cordless is handy but that hose and compressor will fill your tire up when you get a nail in it also, itll blow sawdust out of the way and blow water out of lines before soldering.
There is absolutely no way i am using air. Cordless is the way, 23, 18, 16 & 15 gauge nailers from FLEX is the way to go. My 21° framing nailer is heavy but tha hose.
I won't buy a cordless nailer. For small nails, a small quiet compressor works. Air tools are more easily reparable and you're not also carrying a motor and battery. For large nails I don't nail because I don't need speed. And the price difference between cordless and air is just insane, as noted.
Because air nail gun only has a valve and piston that pushes the striker , if you have workshop pneumatic tools make more sense. If you work on field and need to haul that nail gun 3 floors up , with compressor, in a apartment house , cordless start to make sense . Also old piston compressor tech is noisy , new rotary compressor can be in same room and you may not even notice its running.
Every carpentry shop I’ve worked in has a collection of senco guns waiting for repairs. I bought a battery operated senco gun, which jammed, as all nail guns do, but that’s when I learned it had to be sent back to the factory for 2-3 weeks to clear a jam! I’ll never buy a senco product again.
When you use them all day everyday you learn to repair yourself. I used to have a kit that had o-rings, driver blades, etc. There is not much to them, I could repair them on the job during lunch time if I needed that gun back up. I typically had extras though, that I could plug in if I had a gun go down.
Installing windows and doors everyday from a residential remodel perspective, i would never make my guys use an airhose and compressor... up stairs, around furniture, trip hazard for old homeowners, pets, etc etc etc battery all day everyday!
LOL that same reviewer which lives in the north east recommended the Gen 1 of that Milwaukee 15 gauge nail gun. BIGGEST PIECE of CRAP. All those nail guns should have been recalled and it’s definitely left a stain on their reputation.
Purchase price of a pneumatic nail gun is initially cheaper, but when you start adding up the time spent lugging compressors and coiling hoses, cordless ends up being cheaper.
He did say he never takes his compressor out of the trailer and has a reel outside his trailer that can reach anywhere he needs on a site so means he doesnt lose time there. Would imagine there are times he has to reset his hose run though, so would lose time there depending on where in the building he needs to reach.
It all depends on the application. If Ron is rolling up with his trailer and taking the time to set it up anyway and he's gonna do a lot of production he's 100% right. I used to have a trailer very similar to his. But now I live in a place where using a trailer isn't an option. And often I'm only hanging one door or doing a small repair. And all of this in a place where the grid isn't always available to run a compressor. I do all I can to not even load a compressor into my truck.
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Not a production carpenter, but more of an advanced DIYer. I went a third route, that’s more hybrid. Since I have all the trim guns from finishing my basement and previous handyman projects, I didn’t want to buy all new cordless guns, mostly based on cost. After some looking around and reviews, I bought a cordless quiet portable air compressor. I’m already invested in the Milwaukee battery systems, so I picked up the M18 compressor and was very surprised how quiet it was. With that compressor and a short urethane coil hose, I can just bring the compressor right with me into the room I’m working in, with minimal setup and cords/hoses to deal with. I remember originally laughing at the cordless compressor when it came out, but after using it, it’s a great way to add cordless portability to many of my pneumatic tools.
I just jumped on this train and installed a door, casing, etc last week. Worked great and came with a free 8.0 forge battery. Happy so far!
You're right! Plus I hate costly proprietary systems, whether batteries or fuel cells.
I replaced all cordless nailers with new pneumatics (Metabo/Hitachi) to integrate with other pneumatic nailers/staplers in my system.
I had some Paslode cordless nailers that worked fine until Paslode stopped supporting fuel cell adapters. I won't repeat that mistake.
Nice video Ron! Thanks for making it, for those of us that were interested. I think it comes down to weight and the right tool for the job, to which you have proven. Thanks again, and keep the videos coming!
Couldn't agree more on all points. I went through the same sequence... started with air, then slowly introduced cordless starting with Paslode... didn't like dealing with the fuel cartridges. Went to DeWalt, didn't like the flywheel type mechanism... caused a recoil which dented the wood and also didn't' drive consistently. Now using Milwaukee for cordless trim nailers, they are excellent. But... I still prefer air... you can't beat it for gun weight and size (fit into tighter spaces), and consistent driving. As others have pointed out, it is a pain sometimes due to tripping breakers. To solve that, I have recently been running the cordless Milwaukee compressor with my 18 gauge pneumatic gun, love it. The compressor is light and easy to move around, and you get the benefits of air without the drawbacks of a high amp draw compressor. Plus it's incredibly quiet. I haven't been running it long enough to testify as to longevity, but so far so great.
Ive got the milwaukee platform, enjoyed it initially and if all you do is nail and cut timber its the answer. Bought a mig and plasma without inbuilt compressor, the compressor has become a staple for me again.
With air pop riviters, nailers, fixers, plasmas, spraying etc, the compressor has become my go to now.
The final thing for me was the ability to run the compressor on a solar powered 12 volt inverter off grid and do anything i need to do was the winner for me
I have a similarly built Paulk trailer, and run all Milwaukee M18 nail guns, and one M12 nail gun. (15g DA nailer, 18g brad, 18g narrow crown, 33° framer, M12 23g pinner). I have a small compressor for a few pneumatic tools, and as a backup, but otherwise a mostly cordless jobsite. Asside from the obvious weight (& cost) difference, they’ve worked out just fine the last few years. Working 24’ up high installing nickel gap ceiling boards without an air-hose was worth it.
I totally agree, but having said that, 😊I find myself using my 18g cordless brad nailer and 18g narrow crown stapler all the time in the workshop because of the extra weight and their ability to sink the brads/staples so consitently. I do still use the pneumatic nailers and staplers from time to time, but nowhere near as often now. I pre hang doors on a regular basis for a local hardware store and for that i use the 18g cordless stapler for the jambs as i then don't need to take a compressor and hose. Most of my work is in the shop, but then i am typically spending a day or two installing the stuff & that's where the cordless stuff shines. I also have the Milwaukee M12 23g pinner, which i like, but just like my pneumatic 23g pinner, i will often reach for the 21g pinner over the 23g pinner, as i find it holds way better if there is any twist or bow to whatever i'm nailing up. Great video!
My Milwaukee 18g and Framing nailers are the first nailers I’ll grab when needed. I’ll only grab an air nailer if I’m working overhead for long periods. Cordless is perfect for most of my needs. Hate dragging hoses and cords.
I agree with you, Ron. I mostly do cabinet installation and use my dewalt 18 and 23 cordless nailers, and they work great. Just recently, i picked up a whole house trim job. I started with the cordless, and I found area's wear my cordless guns would not fit (building build-ins and stair work ), and it felt slower and awkward. I said enough is enough and pulled out my pneumatic guns and compressor . So much faster and less problems. I believe cordless has it place, but it does not supersede pneumatic tools for production and ease.
“Qualified” agreement. When I do (rare) rough carpentry, decades of experience with Hitachi framing and siding nailers and I’ve no compelling reason to change it up. No longer do production trim work but long experience with Senco guns (primarily 15 gauge) but honestly don’t know to comment on cordless for the use case. Shop work, I prefer air and when warranted (because of scale) will setup onsite. My experience has me preferring Grex. However, most of my site work is fine finish, built ins and the like. The homes are already finished so battery guns fit the use case better. When I bought them, I didn’t like the noise of Dewalt (my then battery platform) and went with Metabo (15,18, and 23 gauge). Heavy but quiet. Ok but, I agree with Ron in that inferior ergonomics and inconsistent vs air. Worth mentioning that air compressors have improved. Tried the Dewalt 60v and wouldn’t recommend it (power demand too great for battery) but recently bought a California Air and it’s impressive (in particular) quiet. To do it again (onsite finishing nailers) I’d go with air and a tiny California Air compressor/short hose for onsite fine finish.
II have used Senco forever and have never encountered any problems. When I started purchasing Senco products, it was mainly because the parts were readily available and the local service center was outstanding. That may not be true today, so perhaps I will switch to another gun if service becomes an issue. Every tool is like a chainsaw - they need to be serviced, and if you cannot get it serviced quickly, it is a useless tool.
However, I own one Paslode gas-driven gun and can honestly say it has worked flawlessly. I really appreciate it when I’m using a body harness and lifeline. While the gas cartridges can be a hassle, overall, it has no more under-driven nails than my pneumatic guns.
The battery-powered guns are still heavier than I prefer, but the roofing guns show promise since the work is primarily at your feet instead of overhead.
I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas.
Nice video Ron! I feel the same way if i have a small trim projects i love my Bostich finish and brad nailer. But on bigger trim projects and framing i still like my pneumatics.
Have both the Hitachi 18g and 23g air guns for about 15 years now. They are my primary nailers in the shop. Great nailers. Also have an 18g Ryobi battery powered nailer that I've had since they came out, great for doors and jams on the job site when air availability is questionable. . Also have a Harbor Freight 18g nailer / narrow crown staple gun that I only use for staples in the shop. It works just fine for the few times a year I need it. Even reclaimed my old Iron Maiden C+H framing nailer from my brother to build a shed for a friend. That thing weighs a ton, but it still air drives those nails.
I keep some test blocks around the shop that I use for test firing the first nails when using a gun after I've oiled it.
I guess that it really depends on the type of work you are doing. In the shop, its air all the way. But for installs of cabinets, doors, and trim work, I kinda like the battery operated stuff the best. Going to try the Ryobi 23g pin nailer next year (It's a battery thing). Just don't like pulling an air hose around a job site any more.
Ron. i dont mind air. But your tip for using the milwaukee 15g for setting doors is great. No hose to get in the way.
Lugging around an air hose on a roof truss job is a real pain. The weight, the tangles, the constant maneuvering... it's a nightmare.
Ron is wrong on this. Cordless nail guns have come a long way and except for roofing, cordless nail guns are just more convenient when in a jobsite. Milwaukee nail guns are the top of the line.
For working inside a wood shop that you don’t need to kove the tools around, sure having a hose connected to a tool works. Not when working in a jobsite going from floor to floor working.
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As a home hobbyist, building things for my house and family, I've switched to cordless and LOVE them. Have not used my Dewalt air nails for years, actually they are up for sale. Sorry, I am going to continue to enjoy using my cordless units.
Sounds like you’ve found your solution. 😎🤙
Just an anecdote a man I worked for for several years here in WA gave me one of the good mid 2000's Hitachi stick framers and a bostitch strapshot Teko nailer when he retired and downsized his shop, I absolutely adore those guns. Those two and a Semco palmnailer for the sinkers and I can make a passable imitation of a good framer even though I'm an oddball finish guy😂
For sinkers in hardware that is
Those old school guns still work like a charm. 😎🤙
The new Hitachi (Metabo?) Stick framer that replaced my vintage don't compare. Every person I've talked to that committed to one ended up breaking it or switching back😂
I was highly skeptical of the cordless finish nailers. I slowly added them to my trim business and no longer use air. No more stringing out multiple hoses, competing with other trades for limited power on new construction, tripping breakers etc etc. Time saved pays for the cordless cost in just a few jobs.
I do a lot of work in off grid locations and cordless using nailers beats listening to a gas powered compressor. The only exceptions are framing, siding and roofing when driving so many nails that waiting for a cordless nailer to go through its cycle slows production.
Thanks Peter
Hanging doors and doing small trim jobs I would take Milwaukee cordless all day long. If I’m running a house full of baseboard and casing windows I tend to lead more towards my pneumatic. I love my cordless but they do get heavy. They both have their place and a person won’t go wrong with either one. It comes down to personal preference
I am with you 100%! Battery nailers can't touch air nailers! I am team air for nailers, all the way. But battery for just about everything else.
The weight on cordless is a problem. That said, I hate chords and compressors so much, that I choose cordless almost always. I don't even carry a compressor anymore.
Paul I have used those GRK cabinet screws for window flange, they have the same coating as the exterior GRK lags so I think its copacetic. Do you do something like that or hand nail roofing nails?
I use roofing nails most, but screws work great.😎🤙
The performance is in the portability. Compressors need electricity or gas. I can go to my Amish neighbor's house with some 3.0 batteries and work with them putting up T&G or shiplap and no generators, compressors plus nobody is tripping overt cords or hoses. Cordless wins. I have M12 stapler, 23ga pinner, NM cable stapler, M18 30deg, 18ga and 15ga. All fantastic and I can use them anywhere and transport them in a car trunk instead of lugging compressors around.
The milwakke come a long way.Been a GC for last 24 years.I agree but love cordless, cost is stupid ,but im mostly doing high end trim now and high vault lids and built ins.Been at it 40+ In my shop I have stacks of guns and air ports all over.At one time I had 6- secco 2'' nailers.I have multiple of the small single secco compressors,put one on each level of the homed the same with my cordless chop saws.Have one of the old 1'' gray secco Pinner.I have a wide crown that I stick backing in for towel bars ,curtains etc.t a 3' wide type version of your table saw top for my job site stuff.Lucky I have home shop w/built in unisaw.I have wheel barrow in jog trlr w/300' on hose reel right thru wall on roller fairlead, air chucks on ext too.I have on board air in the vehicles also Your old school just like me !
thanks Ron!
Very welcome! 😎🤙
I disagree wholeheartedly. Milwaukee line of cordless nailers are the best and fastest you can buy. They all are excellent at nailing (sorry for the pun) a consistent depth and all are extremely fast. Besides, who wants to carry a hose around with them when you are 20 feet up a ladder?
Have you used that new roofer they added to the M18 suite? I roof infrequently enough that I wouldn't worry about burning it up, and I have more m18 batteries than teeth at this point
(Still got all my teeth btw)
I would have to disagree in my experience. Cordless is good for small jobs or punch but can’t keep up with air in volume or consistently setting nails. Every time I use my Milwaukee guns I have to set half the nails. Weight comes in to play also. Just my opinion. Cordless is nice at times but if I had to choose one I’d choose air.
I’ve got a Milwaukee 16 gauge it quite good
, but Air guns are much better, and your not up a ladder doing finish work are you.
I had a Dewalt cordless finish gun, and Dewalt suck’s
OK the gun is cheaper but how you get that compressed air?
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I agree air is superior
Went cordless on all my nailers in the past year. Pneumatic stays in shop or as backup. cordless esp convenient for framing or anything on ladders/ scaffolding. Love them for trim too. No noisy compressors, tripping on chords. Sorry. Respectfully disagree.
I prefer air. You get power and light weight. There are times and jobs where cordless is more convenient, but it is never better. Years ago I picked up a Hitachi 2 tank lightweight portable compressor. It is no more than 20 pounds and is silent. That is my portable setup, while not as portable as a cordless it is close enough for me. For context, I am not full time carpenter, but end up doing a lot where I work.
I’d be curious as to contractors age group when it comes to tool purchaced. I’m retired and have been building since the 70s. My first cordless was the Makita 7.2 drill. I side on the air hose school of thought but there is an alternative not mentioned. In the 90s I bought a (JacPac) co2 for the occasion I had a small repair or had to climb a ladder for something like a facia. It hangs on a belt with a short hose. Downside,bottles need refilling. One day in my shop I looked at all the thousands of dollars of obsolete cordless tools sitting on a shelf and realized how I was scammed. The industry has us by the balls with its marketing wank. Cheers
Opening statement that they are superior in every way. I agree but battery nailer don't need a hose and compressor
Paslode is a good compromise
These young guys focus on the drawback of the hose. Well cordless is handy but that hose and compressor will fill your tire up when you get a nail in it also, itll blow sawdust out of the way and blow water out of lines before soldering.
I personally am a Hikoki air powered nail gun fan.
Agreed.
There is absolutely no way i am using air. Cordless is the way, 23, 18, 16 & 15 gauge nailers from FLEX is the way to go.
My 21° framing nailer is heavy but tha hose.
I won't buy a cordless nailer. For small nails, a small quiet compressor works. Air tools are more easily reparable and you're not also carrying a motor and battery. For large nails I don't nail because I don't need speed.
And the price difference between cordless and air is just insane, as noted.
Because air nail gun only has a valve and piston that pushes the striker , if you have workshop pneumatic tools make more sense.
If you work on field and need to haul that nail gun 3 floors up , with compressor, in a apartment house , cordless start to make sense .
Also old piston compressor tech is noisy , new rotary compressor can be in same room and you may not even notice its running.
Every carpentry shop I’ve worked in has a collection of senco guns waiting for repairs. I bought a battery operated senco gun, which jammed, as all nail guns do, but that’s when I learned it had to be sent back to the factory for 2-3 weeks to clear a jam! I’ll never buy a senco product again.
When you use them all day everyday you learn to repair yourself. I used to have a kit that had o-rings, driver blades, etc. There is not much to them, I could repair them on the job during lunch time if I needed that gun back up. I typically had extras though, that I could plug in if I had a gun go down.
Agree
I’ve never retired an air nailer.
Installing windows and doors everyday from a residential remodel perspective, i would never make my guys use an airhose and compressor... up stairs, around furniture, trip hazard for old homeowners, pets, etc etc etc battery all day everyday!
LOL that same reviewer which lives in the north east recommended the Gen 1 of that Milwaukee 15 gauge nail gun. BIGGEST PIECE of CRAP. All those nail guns should have been recalled and it’s definitely left a stain on their reputation.
Purchase price of a pneumatic nail gun is initially cheaper, but when you start adding up the time spent lugging compressors and coiling hoses, cordless ends up being cheaper.
I prefer pneumatic as well.
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Hate to break it to you Ron but by the time you roll out you compressor, hoses and gun we’ve been nailing up for easily 30min
He did say he never takes his compressor out of the trailer and has a reel outside his trailer that can reach anywhere he needs on a site so means he doesnt lose time there. Would imagine there are times he has to reset his hose run though, so would lose time there depending on where in the building he needs to reach.
It all depends on the application. If Ron is rolling up with his trailer and taking the time to set it up anyway and he's gonna do a lot of production he's 100% right. I used to have a trailer very similar to his.
But now I live in a place where using a trailer isn't an option. And often I'm only hanging one door or doing a small repair. And all of this in a place where the grid isn't always available to run a compressor. I do all I can to not even load a compressor into my truck.
disagree.
Only time to use air is for oak or maple crown with 23G pins.