As a chef who works in fine dining, Its disheartening to see how uncomfortable they are, worried about being judged. I assure anyone who is from the hood and maybe in this situation, just be polite and you are fine. Don't worry about what others think . Don't be fooled by the uniforms and dress code of the employees. Most of us who work in restaurants can't afford to eat where we work and we sure as hell don't fit in. So Laugh, smile, eat and enjoy yourselves.
I had forgotten this scene. I agree--it was excruciatingly painful. Namond may live in a lush home, his mother's SUV costing more than many families' yearly salaries, but he wouldn't know the difference between shallots and sorbet. Ruth's Chris Steak House may be more menacing than Marlo.
This scene and what was taking place with the kids in season 4 exemplifies why the wire is the goat show. The youngins showed exuberant confidence on their way to the restaurant to compensate for their anxiety of experiencing new things. So sheltered by poverty and contention that a peaceful dinner actually intimidated them and being in an environment that was unfamiliar to them and made them feel insecure about what they thought they actually knew drew a resentment from them and they immediately coward back to old defensive habits and got shelled. It speaks to how much we need to make good experiences available to young kids in order for them to get familiarized with something other than poverty and contention to bring the best attitude towards life out of them. It speaks a lot to how those kids are a product of those failed environments and not the progenitors of them.
This scene was a callback to when D and Donnette went to a fancy restaurant (same one?) back in the first season. Colvin was indeed rewarding them for their project but also wanted to show them how to act civilized and that there is life outside the hood.
What breaks my heart is how damn discouraged the kids look, both in the resturant and in the classroom as soon as they're embarrassed by a teacher or waitress. All the fight just goes right out of them, like they know they don't even have a chance.
Yes, it's a sorry victimhood mentality. These kids are just as good as others, why become upset or be uptight. If we dont know something, or feel uncomfortable about, there isn't a reason to act or be discouraged. Horrible portrayal of young black kids
@@tonye.5410 But growing up in that environment myself . They portrayed the kids EXACTLY TO A T. I knew plenty of kids tough as hell but get embarrased in public or at school amd you could see the innocence in there eyes
@@cashinn7490 understood. That still does nothing to push the truth of value. The representation of victimhood in this work is beyond belief. That is why communities continue to be marginalized
Same thing with D when he grabbed the display model of the cake his gf wanted in season 1. He felt ashamed for being there when Donnette tried to tell him if you have money you get to be whatever you want.
@@tonye.5410so are they supposed to depict an idealized fantasy world, or a accurate representation of the cold reality of inner city youth's ignorance of behavioral norms in certain social situations, stemming from street violence, dysfunctional homes, and poor education system?
Nobody got shot, no drugs were dealt, and yet out of all 5 seasons of The Wire this was one of the most gut-wrenching scenes. Like tdot22, that was me -to a T. When you grow up poor and ghetto, with that being your environment on a daily basis, you just don't know. What to order?HOW to order? What do you say in conversation? What's a tip? What fork to use first?Do you use a straw to sip water? On and on and on, man! Mentally jumping to a higher socioeconomic level is EXTREMELY hard. Painful
As unfamiliar as they were in that setting, Zenobia and Namond basically knew most of the rules for formal dining. They were more uncomfortable than unfamiliar (dressed differently, looked different, worried they were laughing too loud). Namond in season 5 proved it wasn't too late for them to learn but they had to start somewhere. It wasn't pretty, but I still think Colvin did them a favor.
“What about you? Drinking without a straw, all ghetto and shit.” When I tell you this scene still makes me holler with laughter. 😂😂😂😂 I bet they had to do a bunch of takes doing this scene due to uncontrollable laughter.
What’s crazy is how naturally every line is delivered. When Darnell be like “just cuz you a girl don’t mean I’ll f** u all up” it feel like bruh he even still acting?
This is how I felt when I started a professional job in 2016. I was one of the very few people of colour in the work place. I felt like a fish out of water.
anthony etuk Your so ignorant. Of course he could've prepared them. Can't your dumbass see they were fish out of water. Just a quick conversation about the entire experience. They couldn't enjoy themselves because it was all just too much information flooding them. Stupid fuck.
Sometimes you gotta show people with less the people with more for inspiration. This works best in person. There's a difference between seeing something fancy on a screen and being there in person.
This scene always reminded me of that scene in Dangerous Minds when Michelle Pfieffer took the Mexican kid to that fancy restaurant for winning that prize in class. Such a fish out of water situation.
its so real and heartbreaking. like they know no matter how nice the place is- its not a treat to them- but a glimpse into a life they ll never get to live or have. i remember taking a friend from a not so great background to a restaurant - and he spun out how the waiter kept filling his water. it was an average place too- nothing special. but that lack of entitlement- the thing that tells people 'you deserve to be successful" - that allows those people to be succesful- its s big determinant in how we end up. I've seen entitled idiots end up more successful and as bosses of unentitled geniuses at work- because of the attitude that- oh that guy is meant to be the boss- cos he or she is white, wealthy, educated, or has a confidence. the genius of this show is that its able to make a social commentary but in the context of serving the story and of the characters- it never feels like a soapbox show yelling social commentary- but rather just a glimpse of reality - a real look at what its like to not be a young white male in a country that sees black and assumes. which makes it so powerful , dramatic and real. its as much an issue of how we see ourselves- as much as how others see us. and of course one is influenced by the other.
Plenty of black people have succeeded and become wealthy in America. The options and opportunities are everywhere. It’s a choice to ignore them and keep playing the victim like so many do. To the point when a black person does try to better themselves their own community shuns them and calls them an Uncle Tom. They do this to justify and reaffirm their victim status. It’s much easier to not try and expect hand outs then to push oneself to overcome adversity. Everyone sees through it and is tired of it. Which is why welfare reform is always brought up.
“The genius of this show is that it’s able to make a social commentary but in the context of serving the story and the characters. It never feels like a soapbox yelling social commentary - but rather just a glimpse of reality” Perfect
How you view yourself has more to do with how you are raised than anything. Just because someone is white doesn’t mean they are expected to succeed or they expect to succeed. Black people usually aren’t raised by both parents and grow up being told by their family and peers that they are inferior to white people in society. Asians make the highest income of any race in America, you won’t see them complaining about white people. I actually agree with most of what you said but the talk about white people is some race baiting bullshit.
i think the meaning of this scene is to show, that these kids no matter what, they come from the ghetto and the lifestyle is all they know. or to show how social construct segregates the rich from the poor
"...Lookin all Fred Flintstone" Funny as heck but terribly painful at the same time. If you don't know how to conduct yourself in environment like that (because you grew up in a completely different environment) you just DON'T KNOW. 30+ years ago, I guarantee that guy was me...lookin all Fred Flintstone.
You know, in a lot of ways you're right. I don't think that Bunny was thinking on that plane, unfortunately. He didn't think it all the way through, but due to his character I don't believe that it was intentional. I still believe this was one of the most painful scenes in all the seasons of the wire. Anyone of those kids -was me. I tell my wife (who was blessed to be born to two college professors) that one of the hardest things to do is jump from one socio-economic level to another.
To most gang bangers and drug dealers being normal is considered lame and doing crime is looked up to in a major way. Going to jail is a badge of honor while staying in school and trying to make something of yourself is frowned upon.
@TelephoneTormentors that is how some of us like to eat meat. Fully cooked. My mom like her meat rare. The first time I had rare steak in my life was 2 weeks ago. It was weird but my steak was less chewy and it was good, but I will continue to eat my meat fully cooked.
He probably thought it would be a good idea to show them normal society. That there's more to life than just the corner. Or maybe he just wanted to reward them with a quality meal, not realizing how uncomfortable they'd be
"Ima get the biggest quarter pounder they got!" Cant believe so many people seem to miss that classic bit of comedy gold.
As a chef who works in fine dining, Its disheartening to see how uncomfortable they are, worried about being judged. I assure anyone who is from the hood and maybe in this situation, just be polite and you are fine. Don't worry about what others think . Don't be fooled by the uniforms and dress code of the employees. Most of us who work in restaurants can't afford to eat where we work and we sure as hell don't fit in. So Laugh, smile, eat and enjoy yourselves.
Top man for taking the time to comment this, i hope it reaches the right people.
I wish the help would just serve my flank and stop philosophizing.
yeah they dont really know how to be in polite society is kinda the point right?
Enjoy deeznuts on your chin
I had forgotten this scene. I agree--it was excruciatingly painful. Namond may live in a lush home, his mother's SUV costing more than many families' yearly salaries, but he wouldn't know the difference between shallots and sorbet.
Ruth's Chris Steak House may be more menacing than Marlo.
He probably didn’t even know the difference between paté and foie gras…the poor bastard. 😔
@@parkermudsen1063 mmmm but some foie gras pate sounds good as hell!
Those kids were drowning and he just stood there.
Zonobia has more class than I thought. She's teaching the boys a lot.
Yea 😂
what is class to you? Making white people feel comfortable? Why you just ain say home training?
Something that doesn't get talked about enough is how good the child actors were in The Wire.
Unbelievably good.
The Wire has literally NO bad performances or unnecessary characters. All the pieces matter
I read dude who played Prop Joe doubled down as an acting coach for the kids who joined in season 4, always respected that
This scene and what was taking place with the kids in season 4 exemplifies why the wire is the goat show. The youngins showed exuberant confidence on their way to the restaurant to compensate for their anxiety of experiencing new things. So sheltered by poverty and contention that a peaceful dinner actually intimidated them and being in an environment that was unfamiliar to them and made them feel insecure about what they thought they actually knew drew a resentment from them and they immediately coward back to old defensive habits and got shelled.
It speaks to how much we need to make good experiences available to young kids in order for them to get familiarized with something other than poverty and contention to bring the best attitude towards life out of them. It speaks a lot to how those kids are a product of those failed environments and not the progenitors of them.
Even Bunny was like "I didn't know they were THIS messed up."
No not really
If Dookie went he would of ordered the turkey grease
LMAO!!
Lol 😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hahah
You wrong for this. 🤣
This was some scene. Literally no character in The Wire was unforgettable. Don't know how they did it
i think it's cute how zenobia has a working knowledge of what goes on in a fine establishment.
It's sad how uncomfortable they are, It just shows how bad it is in Baltimore or any hood for that matter,
No it's only Baltimore, there are other hoods than there is Baltimore
Ain’t nobody that oblivious in Baltimore yo. It’s just the show being dramatic
You are aware this is not a reality tv show right? How are you going to judge the city of Baltimore based off a fictional show
Even if the show is fictional its so realistic
@@andrewgoldin6905He is talking about the context of the show
Lol stop being uptight
This scene was a callback to when D and Donnette went to a fancy restaurant (same one?) back in the first season. Colvin was indeed rewarding them for their project but also wanted to show them how to act civilized and that there is life outside the hood.
What breaks my heart is how damn discouraged the kids look, both in the resturant and in the classroom as soon as they're embarrassed by a teacher or waitress. All the fight just goes right out of them, like they know they don't even have a chance.
Yes, it's a sorry victimhood mentality. These kids are just as good as others, why become upset or be uptight. If we dont know something, or feel uncomfortable about, there isn't a reason to act or be discouraged.
Horrible portrayal of young black kids
@@tonye.5410 But growing up in that environment myself . They portrayed the kids EXACTLY TO A T. I knew plenty of kids tough as hell but get embarrased in public or at school amd you could see the innocence in there eyes
@@cashinn7490 understood. That still does nothing to push the truth of value. The representation of victimhood in this work is beyond belief. That is why communities continue to be marginalized
Same thing with D when he grabbed the display model of the cake his gf wanted in season 1. He felt ashamed for being there when Donnette tried to tell him if you have money you get to be whatever you want.
@@tonye.5410so are they supposed to depict an idealized fantasy world, or a accurate representation of the cold reality of inner city youth's ignorance of behavioral norms in certain social situations, stemming from street violence, dysfunctional homes, and poor education system?
Nobody got shot, no drugs were dealt, and yet out of all 5 seasons of The Wire this was one of the most gut-wrenching scenes. Like tdot22, that was me -to a T. When you grow up poor and ghetto, with that being your environment on a daily basis, you just don't know.
What to order?HOW to order? What do you say in conversation? What's a tip? What fork to use first?Do you use a straw to sip water? On and on and on, man! Mentally jumping to a higher socioeconomic level is EXTREMELY hard. Painful
As unfamiliar as they were in that setting, Zenobia and Namond basically knew most of the rules for formal dining. They were more uncomfortable than unfamiliar (dressed differently, looked different, worried they were laughing too loud). Namond in season 5 proved it wasn't too late for them to learn but they had to start somewhere. It wasn't pretty, but I still think Colvin did them a favor.
“What about you? Drinking without a straw, all ghetto and shit.” When I tell you this scene still makes me holler with laughter. 😂😂😂😂 I bet they had to do a bunch of takes doing this scene due to uncontrollable laughter.
What’s crazy is how naturally every line is delivered. When Darnell be like “just cuz you a girl don’t mean I’ll f** u all up” it feel like bruh he even still acting?
Queen what’s your ig?
Fr😂
@@slimbosstv_329hats off for shooting ur shot bro😂
This is how I felt when I started a professional job in 2016. I was one of the very few people of colour in the work place. I felt like a fish out of water.
Colvin should have anticipated this and prepared them a bit =(
I think the point was to culture shock them
What's to prepare?? Grow up!!!
Nonofya Bidnez Agreed
anthony etuk Your so ignorant. Of course he could've prepared them. Can't your dumbass see they were fish out of water. Just a quick conversation about the entire experience. They couldn't enjoy themselves because it was all just too much information flooding them. Stupid fuck.
I moved from Newark to Charlotte in 95 I was eighteen then and the change of environment changed me to this day
Moved to Charlotte in 97 from Brooklyn. I thought Red Lobster was high class before moving there. Lol. 😄
I'll have a chicken. A whole one.
"Yo , shut the fuck up" to Zenobia ... LMAO
Sometimes you gotta show people with less the people with more for inspiration. This works best in person. There's a difference between seeing something fancy on a screen and being there in person.
"You see anyone else in here lookin like fred flintstone n shit?"
Fuckin' lol.
Damn I thought y’all had steak 😂
This scene always reminded me of that scene in Dangerous Minds when Michelle Pfieffer took the Mexican kid to that fancy restaurant for winning that prize in class. Such a fish out of water situation.
its so real and heartbreaking. like they know no matter how nice the place is- its not a treat to them- but a glimpse into a life they ll never get to live or have. i remember taking a friend from a not so great background to a restaurant - and he spun out how the waiter kept filling his water. it was an average place too- nothing special. but that lack of entitlement- the thing that tells people 'you deserve to be successful" - that allows those people to be succesful- its s big determinant in how we end up. I've seen entitled idiots end up more successful and as bosses of unentitled geniuses at work- because of the attitude that- oh that guy is meant to be the boss- cos he or she is white, wealthy, educated, or has a confidence.
the genius of this show is that its able to make a social commentary but in the context of serving the story and of the characters- it never feels like a soapbox show yelling social commentary- but rather just a glimpse of reality - a real look at what its like to not be a young white male in a country that sees black and assumes. which makes it so powerful , dramatic and real.
its as much an issue of how we see ourselves- as much as how others see us. and of course one is influenced by the other.
M A K O your dumb friend gave power to the big man. His own fault. There is no fate, but we make.
Plenty of black people have succeeded and become wealthy in America. The options and opportunities are everywhere. It’s a choice to ignore them and keep playing the victim like so many do. To the point when a black person does try to better themselves their own community shuns them and calls them an Uncle Tom. They do this to justify and reaffirm their victim status. It’s much easier to not try and expect hand outs then to push oneself to overcome adversity. Everyone sees through it and is tired of it. Which is why welfare reform is always brought up.
Where is your friend from lol
“The genius of this show is that it’s able to make a social commentary but in the context of serving the story and the characters. It never feels like a soapbox yelling social commentary - but rather just a glimpse of reality”
Perfect
How you view yourself has more to do with how you are raised than anything. Just because someone is white doesn’t mean they are expected to succeed or they expect to succeed. Black people usually aren’t raised by both parents and grow up being told by their family and peers that they are inferior to white people in society. Asians make the highest income of any race in America, you won’t see them complaining about white people. I actually agree with most of what you said but the talk about white people is some race baiting bullshit.
I got a little lump in my throat when Namond assured Colvin that he wasn't going to run up the bill.
This is how I feel if I eat in a fancy restaurant. Like I'm an outsider eating with rich people.
Hard to believe that there’s people who’ve never been to a fancy restaurant……
But here it is…….
Couldn’t get any realer than this.
Powerful scene
i think the meaning of this scene is to show, that these kids no matter what, they come from the ghetto and the lifestyle is all they know. or to show how social construct segregates the rich from the poor
"...Lookin all Fred Flintstone" Funny as heck but terribly painful at the same time. If you don't know how to conduct yourself in environment like that (because you grew up in a completely different environment) you just DON'T KNOW. 30+ years ago, I guarantee that guy was me...lookin all Fred Flintstone.
i dont care, that darnell guy must be held back like 7 years, he looks atleast 20
This scene looks straight out of the movie Dangerous Minds.
Randomizer can I get a chicken. A whole one.
Probably where they ripped it from. Classic fish outta water story.
From a "keep hope alive" dreamer, I'll take that as a compliment.
You know, in a lot of ways you're right. I don't think that Bunny was thinking on that plane, unfortunately. He didn't think it all the way through, but due to his character I don't believe that it was intentional.
I still believe this was one of the most painful scenes in all the seasons of the wire. Anyone of those kids -was me. I tell my wife (who was blessed to be born to two college professors) that one of the hardest things to do is jump from one socio-economic level to another.
This reminded me of the first season when D was in the restaurant.
To most gang bangers and drug dealers being normal is considered lame and doing crime is looked up to in a major way. Going to jail is a badge of honor while staying in school and trying to make something of yourself is frowned upon.
007thday the backwards ass mindset of Black America and why our community looks like it does.
It aint frowned upon on lol
Avon gave money to Cutty for his boxing gym at least 💯
I didn’t like when Colvin told Namond 2 turn it down & they didn’t wanna take no photo.
I'm definitely like namond i don't run up the bill.
U like micheal
Crazy how different life is for different people
This scene reminds me when D'Angelo and his BM ate at a fancy restaurant in Season 1.
Bunny’s a good guy. I liked him on the show.
u can take them out the hood but you can take the hood out of them
You can take the boy out the hood, but you can’t take the hood out the homie
great, sad scene.
Why do black people hate rare steak? Well-done steak is the worst way to cook or eat a steak.
rare steak got parasites and microbes g. cook that shit
@@kaoo4932 No it doesn't, the sear kills all of that, only exists on the outside of steaks.
Maybe it's the internet equivalent of invading another group's territory, taking what's not yours and pizzing on it.
I think they got the idea of this scene from the movie "dangerous minds"
Zonobia was a G lol
@TelephoneTormentors that is how some of us like to eat meat. Fully cooked. My mom like her meat rare. The first time I had rare steak in my life was 2 weeks ago. It was weird but my steak was less chewy and it was good, but I will continue to eat my meat fully cooked.
"Nigga, this ain't Mickey D's!"
Had you not seen the end of the season or something? Naymond turned out fine
Love the wire
Did anyone catch Darnell's face when the waitress mentioned the chicken XD.
What is Namond doing eating dinner with the Cop and his family, I thought he was Wee-Bey's son.
Who is the other dude at the table with the braids cuz he fine ass hell yo:-)
This is hilarious, why did Colvin think they needed this?
He probably thought it would be a good idea to show them normal society. That there's more to life than just the corner. Or maybe he just wanted to reward them with a quality meal, not realizing how uncomfortable they'd be
Ruth's Chris used to be great, not so much in the last 10 years or so.
YOU CAN DO WHATEVER THE FUCKK YOU WANNA DOOOOO
What are you talking about?
Lmao @ 2:34
Yooooo he sounds exactly like Cornell the ig comedian lmaoo
Sad but true!
namond reminds me of Prodigy from Mobb Deep
those kids want for something for fancy restaurant.
I feel the same way
Ruth’s Chris? Ruthless Chris Partlows restaurant?
DeAngelo was worse he was about 8 years older 😂
He shoulda just took them to some pizza restaurant
He NEVER had a chair pulled out for him and didn’t know what a hostess was smh. That’s sad as shit
wat the hell is zenobia wearin hahaha
That many felonies?
What’s the song in the background
CANIGETTO1,000SUBSWITHNOVIDS 3 6 mafia popping my collar
I like Julito but i don't like that other clown Darnell. His character has a bad attitude lol
this scene was ridiculous. Had them acting like they from a third world country. Even people from the trenches been to nice restaurant.
They are a bunch of kids from poor neighbourhoods the only thing they know is the Ruth streets
They have never been to a fancy expensive restaurant
After the age of 5 (some say 3) it's to late. Those first 5 years are the most important, these kids are a lost cause and he knows it.
Fred Flinstone 😂
And that is why they are doomed.
This scene gets me angry sometimes smh
2:26 HAHAHA PARANOID
Everybody he shouldv'e did this with the kids and that....the point was to show us what its like...if he would've we would never know...
bruh ruth's chris steak house is the shit!
Spoken like a true chest-beating, Social Darwinist with a Superiority Complex.
3:01-3:04 😂😂😂😂
Fries teew
Words from a Social Darwinist.
clothes i think
Why did they get soo mad about the steak menu?
Funny you say that. I thought her face looked old looking also. You can tell she's going to age fast and badly.
ha
I hate Namond