Learn to play high over the net : this net clearance is key

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  • @heladar
    @heladar 9 місяців тому +596

    Not do I only play high over the net, I play high over the line too 😂

    • @yumajohnny
      @yumajohnny 7 місяців тому +3

      😂😂😂😂

    • @hahope
      @hahope 7 місяців тому +4

      Would this tip work for doubles? It would give easier chance for opponent to do volley.

    • @rs8247
      @rs8247 5 місяців тому +4

      @@hahope in my opinion doubles is a whole different ballgame. You have more court to work with which gives you an opportunity to hit even bigger with sharper angles. If you are rallying cross court, I would highly recommend hitting high over the night other than that absolutely not in doubles

    • @yybio5067
      @yybio5067 3 місяці тому

      Ahaha me too😂

    • @aygaara
      @aygaara 3 місяці тому

      Get that fly outta here lol

  • @blackspiderman1887
    @blackspiderman1887 8 місяців тому +226

    I usually play high over the fence

    • @titankk916
      @titankk916 5 місяців тому +4

      AGGGGGHHHHHHHH 😂😂😂😂😂 literally me a while ago

    • @chrissturk5539
      @chrissturk5539 3 місяці тому +1

      Weve all been there❤

    • @GuacamoleyNacho
      @GuacamoleyNacho 6 днів тому

      🤣🤣🤣

  • @janotopspin
    @janotopspin 9 місяців тому +224

    My take away is that I'm very stupid because I'm hitting the net a lot....

    • @JP6649
      @JP6649 9 місяців тому +4

      Play how you're comfortable playing which yields the best results.

    • @4justiceagainstevil
      @4justiceagainstevil 9 місяців тому +2

      Work on your top spin, that will fix it

    • @JP6649
      @JP6649 9 місяців тому +10

      @@4justiceagainstevil I've got plenty of topspin. I developed a one hand backhand with more topspin than the adults around me as a kid. Don't need two hands on a backhand for extra power either. I like Patrick and subscribe to his channel but I found it mildly condescending. Of course it's not good to hit the net. Of course you better know where you're on the court to try and hit over the low part of the next. If you can't then you need to clear the higher part. That requires topspin. I personally don't need to hit 8 feet over the net for depth is all. And I'm old. Tennis evolves anyway. Players getting their hands held by their coaches boxes all match long is boring. It makes it a team sport which it isn't. Team before and after the match, but while you're playing you better be able to problem solve on your own. Last night Medvedev beat Alcaraz partly because no one was in his ear, while Alcaraz had a constant amount of coaching chatter. Also most coaches have never been to a slam semi. They have no clue in that situation what to do or say either. Can't recall ever seeing Patrick play on the tour. I'm sure he has, but I've been WATCHING this sport for 48 years as well.
      Sorry for the lengthy response. Tennis is a passion for me.

    • @johanandhira5429
      @johanandhira5429 8 місяців тому

      Probably it wasn't the stupid, it's the random brain fart when returning the ball

    • @solideomusical
      @solideomusical 10 днів тому

      Because your ball trajectory is too flat.

  • @laurastone6578
    @laurastone6578 9 місяців тому +87

    If only I could execute that topspin….that is what allows me to hit high over the net!

    • @goldencalf5144
      @goldencalf5144 9 місяців тому +4

      You don't necessarily need a lot of topspin to hit high over the net, though it certainly helps. You can even slice high to achieve depth.

    • @CC-te4jz
      @CC-te4jz 9 місяців тому

      @@goldencalf5144how can we slice high over the net?

    • @markconner5341
      @markconner5341 9 місяців тому +2

      Change grip and swing path…use a semi-western and go up rather than out….it’ll suck for six months, but you’ll be glad you did.

    • @donkey3187
      @donkey3187 8 місяців тому

      @@goldencalf5144 If he cant hit top spin, he wont be able to hit slices either dude...thats even more advanced than topspin.

    • @DjokovicIsOurLordAndSaviour
      @DjokovicIsOurLordAndSaviour 8 місяців тому

      ​@@goldencalf5144You could also reduce your racquet speed. You'll get less pace of course. But, it will go in and be high.

  • @ElectricanMV
    @ElectricanMV 9 місяців тому +13

    Thanks for this video Patrick! This is one of the things that my coach usually emphasizes a lot during training. Both this and accelerating have a huge potential to allow us to actually play safer balls. For someone who used to play very flat like me, this is great.

  • @dennisl1303
    @dennisl1303 2 місяці тому +4

    I play high. Just high.

  • @alexw7875
    @alexw7875 9 місяців тому +70

    Someone famously said, play high in singles but play low in doubles. I don't think playing high over the net is a good idea in doubles - being poached easily.

    • @ramyg5037
      @ramyg5037 9 місяців тому +5

      Play extreme angles in doubles

    • @jokuheppu3920
      @jokuheppu3920 9 місяців тому +3

      Doubles is irrelevant anyways.

    • @alexw7875
      @alexw7875 8 місяців тому

      Said by you and you are ?@@jokuheppu3920 Even if you only play singles, when you do passing shots, you want to keep it low around the net level, or at an extreme angel. Same philosophy as in doubles. Also, look at players in singles who have a attacking style: Federer, Rublev, they all play lower over the net in singles.

    • @RoyCosioVegantennis
      @RoyCosioVegantennis 7 місяців тому +1

      Not really, a high crosscourt shot is unpoachable

    • @JnoPrds
      @JnoPrds 14 днів тому

      Doubles is a different sport and is irrelevant to this video.

  • @rihssty
    @rihssty 9 місяців тому +3

    This has been my main focus for about a couple of years now. Still a work in progress but it's funny because now if I hit my groundstrokes (except slice) within 2 feet above the net I get annoyed even if it's a good shot.😂

  • @Lenobboy
    @Lenobboy 7 місяців тому +4

    I play high over the fence too 😂😂

  • @anirvinkandarpa5544
    @anirvinkandarpa5544 2 місяці тому +1

    you can hit a flat shot with all your power, but you must aim just above the net. in topspin you can go for net clearnce thing. As simple as that, its not the tendency but top players require to hit flat shots alot hence they aim for just above the net and sometimes they hit net.

    • @willkittwk
      @willkittwk 10 днів тому

      You put topspin on most every drive to bring the ball down but we're talking the difference between a more natural line and a loopy ball. The more straight line topspin is going from point A to B faster and direct the loopy shot slows down in the air but gets an extra kick when it hits but will lose speed faster after the initial kick. It's the same physical law that governs a flat serve and a kick/topspin serve. Like Elon Musk said the laws of physics are unforgiving. If any coach or dumbbell player wants to change them good luck 🤞

  • @ThisDesignLife
    @ThisDesignLife 8 місяців тому +1

    Really learning this at the moment.

  • @Tom-Utd
    @Tom-Utd 4 місяці тому +2

    I’ve always done this by default but struggle to get any power when trying to finish the point using a flat groundstroke.

    • @willkittwk
      @willkittwk 10 днів тому

      Why not hit a deep flat shot in the corner then take a weak bouncing near service line a topspin in the corner for a winner or come to net and volley. If you hit flatten out or slice shot hard in corner the guy has to hit up on the ball for you to pick off at the net. Also try this hit very slow and low deep slice chip shot down the line and make the guy pick it off his shoelaces with zero pace jump on the net and angle volley for winner. Johnny Mac favorite tactic.

  • @lisa-mariewatts5579
    @lisa-mariewatts5579 4 місяці тому

    I just started playing and all your tips are spot on. Amazing coaching videos.

  • @ramyg5037
    @ramyg5037 9 місяців тому +4

    The closer you are towards the net the more topspin you need...

  • @RahulSaha1712
    @RahulSaha1712 5 місяців тому +1

    Awesome tip
    Thanks a lot

  • @yumajohnny
    @yumajohnny 7 місяців тому +2

    I like to play over the fence to the next court

  • @chrismellon127
    @chrismellon127 8 місяців тому

    love ur tips!

  • @joseh899
    @joseh899 9 місяців тому

    EXCELLENT ADVICE COACH PATRICK!! 👏👍

  • @robbyconings9081
    @robbyconings9081 7 місяців тому +1

    i've won a bowling tournement with this tips

  • @kevinlee597
    @kevinlee597 7 місяців тому

    Your videos are very helpful and informative. Many thanks from Korea!

  • @bobgil3464
    @bobgil3464 7 місяців тому

    Thanks Great Advice.

  • @lenarindegard1203
    @lenarindegard1203 9 місяців тому +1

    Great tip! PS. He’s so dreamy;)❤️❤❤❤

  • @markconner5341
    @markconner5341 9 місяців тому +2

    Great advice….I am a 5.0 player and my hitting partner has a very heavy ball, so if you watched us, it’d be like “why does that guy keep dumping the ball in the net?” It’s because I’m playing against a ducking bowling ball. You just have to have strength in your legs (which I don’t) to push that ball back.

  • @itsdebbiecakeyoubigdummy828
    @itsdebbiecakeyoubigdummy828 9 місяців тому +1

    I'm struggling with this currently

  • @liamkingsbury7438
    @liamkingsbury7438 9 місяців тому +13

    This is a new perspective for me. I always try to play short above the net because I don’t want to hit “rainbows”.

    • @willkittwk
      @willkittwk 9 місяців тому +1

      And the high ball gives the guy more time to get to it hence the 30 40 shot rallies of today.

    • @liamkingsbury7438
      @liamkingsbury7438 9 місяців тому +2

      @@willkittwk exactly, a ball with small angle (almost skimming the ground its so low to the net) is way better than playing deep in my opinion

    • @ForceOfWill100
      @ForceOfWill100 7 місяців тому +1

      @@liamkingsbury7438 Depends a ton on who you're playing against. Most decent singles players are looking for an approach shot, and if you hit low you're bound to give them one pretty quickly and put yourself at disadvantage

    • @willkittwk
      @willkittwk 10 днів тому

      @@liamkingsbury7438 yep and if you can play deep and low that's the best like Delpo blew Roger of the court in the US Open. The ball just skidding by. It's a more risky game but it works. Risk/ rewards dynamic

  • @massimoreina5936
    @massimoreina5936 9 місяців тому +9

    but I have seen many professionals play low

    • @javihernandez2755
      @javihernandez2755 9 місяців тому +4

      It depends on the phase of the game and the playstyle as well, of course, but the thing is that when players use flat, low clearance balls, is with a purpose, usually to attack or change pace, and they have extreme accuracy as they are pros. Amateurs don't usually have the tactics/point building of pros nor the technique to hit low clearance shots consistently, so playing higher as the rule and lower as the exception will allow them to keep the ball in play longer and avoid dumb unforced errors

    • @markconner5341
      @markconner5341 9 місяців тому +1

      Watch the camera angles behind…it’s usually two to three feet above the net. nadal has insane net clearance. On attacking balls, you have to flatten out, means changing grip and swing path, you aim lower.

    • @stefan33uk
      @stefan33uk 7 місяців тому

      @@markconner5341two feet is not a lot of clearance! And when I watch these behind the court angles they’re often hitting it within a foot of the tape. Nadal and other heavy topspin players are an exception of course.

    • @dthorne4602
      @dthorne4602 6 місяців тому

      No any that are good enough to be on TV

  • @RoyCosioVegantennis
    @RoyCosioVegantennis 7 місяців тому

    I teach this everyday....I think we come from the same school. Another benefit is the bounce is high making your opponent hit above his/hers shoulder

  • @boiurtrash8974
    @boiurtrash8974 3 місяці тому +1

    I prefer high over the fence and into the trees

  • @superMarwin12345
    @superMarwin12345 9 місяців тому +1

    low over the net and deep

  • @borisi.
    @borisi. 2 місяці тому

    Sooo true. Tried that million times 😊🎉

  • @mrxman581
    @mrxman581 11 днів тому +1

    This is true today because everyone has been taught to hit with excessive topspin. Which is only possible because of the huge racquet faces now being made. Try doing that with a 70 sq in face. Now you have pros playing with 100+ sq in. The terrible consequence is the lack of variety/style of play in the game. The huge racquet faces have given too much advantage to the power game and not enough to the touch, skill, and strategy game. It's also responsible for the huge increase in two-handed backhands. Why? Because the excessive topspin being used is more easily dealt with using two hands. Again, this results in less variety of skills and strokes.

    • @antoinev9733
      @antoinev9733 10 днів тому

      leisure players ... pleasure ! ;)

  • @FrancescaTe
    @FrancescaTe 4 місяці тому

    Nothing more true than that, Coach

  • @mikek4400
    @mikek4400 9 місяців тому

    I tried it & it works thank you

  • @antoinev9733
    @antoinev9733 10 днів тому

    the length can be reached by the go through dear Patrick ;)

  • @berfava
    @berfava 18 годин тому

    I guess my problem is the exact opposite 😂 So much talks on the importance of topspin that I just didn't learn how to godamn hit a flat horizontal ball and now my brain-arm is hardwired this way.

  • @chaiveenendaal
    @chaiveenendaal 3 місяці тому

    Avid saying it aint bout the money but immediately accepting it when jynxi offers it😂

  • @rbarreira2
    @rbarreira2 8 місяців тому

    Robin Söderling and his forehand say hi. Tennis is not just about avoiding mistakes.

  • @user-pe1ur2yt1k
    @user-pe1ur2yt1k 7 місяців тому

    Yes excellent correct sir

  • @amirozani1212
    @amirozani1212 9 місяців тому +5

    When u are right u r right ✅️

  • @franciscomanrique4979
    @franciscomanrique4979 7 місяців тому

    Gracias Patrick

  • @JM-si7gr
    @JM-si7gr 3 місяці тому

    If you are not on a pro Level Most opponents struggle with high top Spin shots which go deep into their court. Best way to put pressure and it’s a fairly safe shot since you always have high net clearance. Im not Talking about rainbows, but heavy spin, powerful strokes, Full swings. It also gives you an extra second to move since the Ball is in the air longer so you can reposition much easier which is maybe even the Most important aspect.

    • @antoinev9733
      @antoinev9733 10 днів тому

      did you see ALcaraz in RG2024 and even Wimby 2023 ?? ;)

  • @Joseph-zh7fm
    @Joseph-zh7fm 9 місяців тому +1

    This is all the confirmation I need that I am indeed stupid 😂

  • @jasontran4525
    @jasontran4525 9 місяців тому

    I come from a small town. I went to OU tennis camp where Jason Roddick was the coach (Andy Roddick's brother)
    He tought us how to play deep. Went back to my small town and dominated people.

  • @geemy9675
    @geemy9675 9 місяців тому

    what about the pressure to keep the ball inside the court..

  • @shaolima9362
    @shaolima9362 8 місяців тому

    This is for both double and single; or just single?

  • @georgesunaryo5080
    @georgesunaryo5080 9 місяців тому +2

    But it's boring to see high balls,looks too defensive

  • @thebooknanny
    @thebooknanny 3 місяці тому

    My club pro drilled us to hit 5 ft over the net.

  • @Crimzyt1
    @Crimzyt1 2 місяці тому

    In a match should I push or should I hit hard

  • @h.p.734
    @h.p.734 8 місяців тому

    Very cool! It's not quite the same in table tennis, where you want it low and fast, not high and deep.

    • @dthorne4602
      @dthorne4602 6 місяців тому

      The difference between a sport and a game.

    • @h.p.734
      @h.p.734 6 місяців тому

      @@dthorne4602 ah! The blissful ignorant 😄

    • @dthorne4602
      @dthorne4602 6 місяців тому

      @@h.p.734 I play both, and both at competitive level. Though a much higher level in tennis. But ping pong is a game, it is a sport because it is a marginally physical activity that allows for competition, but compared to any athletic sports, it's a game, kind of like golf and bowling are. But I would place it slightly above those, physically.

    • @solideomusical
      @solideomusical 5 місяців тому

      @h.p this tip applies 100% to table tennis. If you watch high level players the amount of net clearance is ridiculous!

    • @solideomusical
      @solideomusical 5 місяців тому

      ​@@dthorne4602Respectfully, your comment betrays total ignorance of the sport of table tennis. Look up WTT - pick a match blindfolded and see if I am correct.

  • @antoinev9733
    @antoinev9733 10 днів тому

    Moura : leisure mentality !

  • @user-jo1hk4xo4m
    @user-jo1hk4xo4m 2 місяці тому

    It so useful tennis knowledge. Thank Master ❤❤❤

  • @ashwinkumart8642
    @ashwinkumart8642 6 місяців тому

    Counter intuitive. Rings true

  • @swingman50
    @swingman50 8 місяців тому

    What about the doubles? I tend to get a poacher on these high balls and it's easier to put away.

  • @johanserre2301
    @johanserre2301 2 місяці тому

    Training to shoot the net with right effect and you will gain every points when you need it .. without apologies ...

  • @karadagmert
    @karadagmert 8 місяців тому

    Flat = low and fast ball, topspin = high and slow ball

  • @ebuyukakincak
    @ebuyukakincak 9 місяців тому

    Fed used to play low, forcing the opponent come close to the baseline.

  • @peterkavanagh64
    @peterkavanagh64 9 місяців тому

    Super lesson a cgabce mire chances not one

  • @igustibagusmahendrayasa3383
    @igustibagusmahendrayasa3383 8 місяців тому

    what abaout if we playing double...are the rule is the same....??? because if we hit the high...the opponent will easely hit with the voley...

  • @paulolcst4872
    @paulolcst4872 9 місяців тому

    Excelent

  • @agangmkhokheliscotch8564
    @agangmkhokheliscotch8564 9 місяців тому +2

    funny how my coach wants me to play lower balls

  • @fazetrack9892
    @fazetrack9892 5 місяців тому

    Im was a short player but now i high

  • @stefan33uk
    @stefan33uk 7 місяців тому

    Actually when I observe professionals in real life, I’m astounded how low they play over the net. They hit the ball hard and deep and low. In contrast amateur players (of a minimum standard, myself included) tend to give the ball much more margin.

  • @henryng9406
    @henryng9406 9 місяців тому +2

    Hit high could also mean hit long. Some of us don't have topspin. 😢😢😢

    • @carlosdias92
      @carlosdias92 9 місяців тому +2

      Try to change the grip. It helped me a lot when I changed the Eastern grip to Semi Western.

    • @watermelonindianboi
      @watermelonindianboi 9 місяців тому +1

      @@carlosdias92I’m a eastern grip that hits spin but it just depends on what grip u use

    • @goldencalf5144
      @goldencalf5144 9 місяців тому +1

      You don't need a ton of topspin to hit high over the net, although you may need to back off the pace a bit if you don't have topspin. Depth of shot is usually more important than pace.

    • @watcher687
      @watcher687 9 місяців тому

      With a racket face vertical to the ground at contact it’s extremely hard to make balls land behind the baseline. Try it if you doubt.

    • @antoinev9733
      @antoinev9733 10 днів тому

      hit lower that simple ;)
      keep in mind that the hand have to go where you want the ball to go :)
      it works very well ;)

  • @sherdogsherdog4177
    @sherdogsherdog4177 7 місяців тому

    This is my problem I'm trying to fix it 😢

  • @Titanup98
    @Titanup98 9 місяців тому +1

    NGL i play low and my balls barley hit the end of the box how do u play deep

    • @parkercrossland410
      @parkercrossland410 9 місяців тому

      swing harder, have a more aggressively rotated grip to counteract the pace and keep the ball from sailing.

  • @haljam8828
    @haljam8828 8 місяців тому

    Sinner huts flatter and ball bounces at servuce line a lot vut ball bounces fast so??

  • @rab008
    @rab008 8 місяців тому

    So So true

  • @Didymus1984
    @Didymus1984 8 місяців тому

    Hitting it into the net is, indeed, a stupid mistake. Never thought of it that way before but it’s so simple and yet so true. All it took was for me to hear it from Patrick. 😅

    • @antoinev9733
      @antoinev9733 10 днів тому

      you ( and Patrick) just forget something : the fastest line is the straigth line ;)
      then adding net clearance gives you confort for sure ! but give confort ( more time) to the opponent too ;)

  • @jedidiahhuang1362
    @jedidiahhuang1362 4 місяці тому +1

    but the low balls look so good…..

    • @antoinev9733
      @antoinev9733 10 днів тому

      yeaaaah :) leisure !! pleasure ! keep in mind it is a game :)
      it is just your choice.

  • @andrewlilico2218
    @andrewlilico2218 Місяць тому

    Is it really a "mistake"? Leisure players I see hit the ball low over the net and deep, because they aren't capable of generating much topspin. It isn't a "mistake" for them to hit the ball low over the net. It's the only way they can possibly prevent the ball from going out long, other than by slicing or lobbing all their shots.

    • @antoinev9733
      @antoinev9733 10 днів тому

      there is no true rule :)
      it is depending on your way to play , mainly agressive ot not :)

  • @eddyp5495
    @eddyp5495 9 місяців тому +1

    Quelques vidéos en français ( origine de l'auteur) ,ça serait pas mal également...
    On comprend bien son accent mais par respect pour sa langue d'origine...

    • @antoinev9733
      @antoinev9733 10 днів тому

      ça payera moins ^^^^ et puis tant qu'à dire des trucs si basiques mais encore contestables hein autant que ce ne soit pas dans notre chère langue :)

  • @MrDmitry4ever
    @MrDmitry4ever 9 місяців тому +1

    Instructions unclear. Now it’s all out

  • @lukmanpelu8135
    @lukmanpelu8135 5 місяців тому

    mamy player think being tight with the next show how accurate your stroke is 😂 but they do unforced eror so much

    • @antoinev9733
      @antoinev9733 10 днів тому

      it is a way to be accurate for sure !
      not the only one. it is just an agressive way to play ;)

  • @chrissturk5539
    @chrissturk5539 3 місяці тому

    Not just in tennis is it important to play deep 😏

  • @bopaunovic5751
    @bopaunovic5751 19 годин тому

    High over net, seems way too much time for the opponent. Take time away. That seems to be best. Especially in doubles.

  • @ayanmukherjee2946
    @ayanmukherjee2946 8 місяців тому

    Depth is effective 90% of the time, but depth does not give you the angles to open up the court.

    • @ForceOfWill100
      @ForceOfWill100 7 місяців тому +1

      It absolutely does. If your opponent is impatient, 99% of the time they will return one of your deep balls shorter than they wanted. This allows you to hit an approach shot safely, and completely open up the angles which you can counter with (as opposed to hitting low and shallow, which gives your opponent this opportunity if they're savvy enough to take it)

    • @antoinev9733
      @antoinev9733 10 днів тому

      YOUR OWN length protect you !
      so yes it don't give ( or less )angles.
      and can bring you shorter shots of your opponent ... opening angles for you ! :)
      note: if you have the length, the lower net clearance just ... remove time for you r opponent so ??
      what says Mlouratoglou is partly wrong.
      it is depending on what is your intention :)

  • @vpandemix
    @vpandemix 8 місяців тому +2

    Gotta have heavy topspin to bring the ball back down though!

  • @ericclayton6670
    @ericclayton6670 9 місяців тому +1

    I am a going to be counter intuitive on this one. The high target that you are aiming for doesn't exist. So your target will always be variable. I am a tennis nobody so no one will listen to me. If you tell the player to aim for the net tape, how many can hit the tape twice in a row while hitting topspin from the baseline. When you aim for the net tape you will miss high most of the time. When you aim at the tape with foward intentioned topspin as opposed to upward intentioned topspin you will get the ball in and deep in the court But don't listen to me, I am a tenni nobody.

  • @USALibertarian
    @USALibertarian 2 місяці тому

    I alwayw hit too long, how do I fix that?

    • @antoinev9733
      @antoinev9733 10 днів тому

      usually by pushing your hand ( more ) forward instead of higher ;)

    • @antoinev9733
      @antoinev9733 10 днів тому

      the hand goes where you want your ball to go ;)

  • @solideomusical
    @solideomusical 5 місяців тому

    I like to think of it this way: given all the space you have OVER the net, there is no reason to hit the ball INTO the net. If I hit a ball 30 feet into the air and it lands on my opponent's court it remains in play; if I hit the ball one inch below the net I lose the point.
    A healthy amount of net clearance increases your odds of winning the point or, at a minimum, staying in the point.
    This is 'cross-over' theory from table tennis. ✅️

    • @antoinev9733
      @antoinev9733 10 днів тому

      magnificently ... boring ^^^^

    • @solideomusical
      @solideomusical 10 днів тому

      @@antoinev9733 The clip?

    • @antoinev9733
      @antoinev9733 10 днів тому

      "leisure players"
      there is many good reasons to hit the ball into the net . the best is ..pleasure.
      as a leisure player i ( am) should feel free about stats considerations.
      the time to change , improve and or create :)
      try a winner .. a drop shot ...a smash ... feel free to hit into the net 10 times 50 times ...until you undestand " how it works" ;)
      you will learn from your errors :)

    • @solideomusical
      @solideomusical 10 днів тому

      @@antoinev9733 🤔

    • @antoinev9733
      @antoinev9733 10 днів тому

      @@solideomusical i will say in another way :
      hittting balls just to keep them "in court " won't make you improve a lot ;)
      take pleasure to experiment , try, analyse , undestand and try again until " it works " :)

  • @Novak73
    @Novak73 9 місяців тому

    idk why, I've always hated seeing my forehand go high over the net.

    • @dthorne4602
      @dthorne4602 6 місяців тому

      Because you think that low over the net means you are good. It doesn't.

    • @antoinev9733
      @antoinev9733 10 днів тому

      @@dthorne4602 if he is able too, he is good.
      if you are not able you are weak :o)
      just another way , less boring to play.

  • @deluxewaterless7229
    @deluxewaterless7229 9 місяців тому +2

    Good tip but in watching matches on UA-cam most of the players seem to be hitting low over the net

    • @top_gun_academy
      @top_gun_academy 9 місяців тому

      I guess the choice is yours. Trust your eyes, or trust your ears?

    • @rihssty
      @rihssty 9 місяців тому +2

      I agree that most pro shots look close to the net but when you see a court level camera angle and behind them, their balls are actually at least 3 feet above the net. That's my observation anyway😊

    • @dthorne4602
      @dthorne4602 6 місяців тому

      Your eyes are fooling you because the camera is above the action. Any pros who mostly hit their balls low over the net will have very short careers

  • @VARMOT123
    @VARMOT123 9 місяців тому +2

    Djokovic actually doesn't. He plays mostly flat unless he wants to topspin it cross court

    • @willkittwk
      @willkittwk 9 місяців тому +1

      That's what I think plus too high slows ball down. You gotta watch tennis at court level from back of the players. Djoks and Fed don't play too high.

    • @vincenttran5920
      @vincenttran5920 9 місяців тому +1

      watch his match court level its high. of course it varies depending on situation

    • @vincenttran5920
      @vincenttran5920 9 місяців тому +1

      2019 nitto atp vs Federer court level you will see they varied the length and height of ball clearance.

    • @goldencalf5144
      @goldencalf5144 9 місяців тому +1

      Most ATP pros, including Djokovic, hit a lot higher than what appears on TV. The camera angle is deceptive. The massive topspin allows them to swing fast, hit high over the net and still get the ball in.

    • @vincenttran5920
      @vincenttran5920 9 місяців тому +1

      @@goldencalf5144 exactly why hit flat with low clearance, low percentage when you can hit just as hard with tons of topspin and more margin of error

  • @AF-gt1fv
    @AF-gt1fv 9 місяців тому

    Thanks Patrick. How high over the net is the ideal height?

    • @honganhpham2729
      @honganhpham2729 9 місяців тому +3

      for me it is 50cm above the net or higher

    • @ElectricanMV
      @ElectricanMV 9 місяців тому

      ​@@honganhpham2729agree, at least that's what my coaches teach me as well

  • @RoluLoru
    @RoluLoru 7 місяців тому

    I think a lot of people just play high

  • @ricardolombardini
    @ricardolombardini 5 місяців тому

    I play high over the fence...

  • @tristanmarshall5633
    @tristanmarshall5633 9 місяців тому

    Wow thought the opposite

  • @dl4703
    @dl4703 9 місяців тому

    I don't see any pros hitting high over the net. Tsippas hits hard and low.

    • @dthorne4602
      @dthorne4602 6 місяців тому

      Tsitsipas hits higher over the net than most pros, im not sure how you came to the conclusion you just stated.

  • @euroclyde
    @euroclyde 7 місяців тому

    I'd pay $7500/hr for this kind of incredible advice.

  • @JP6649
    @JP6649 9 місяців тому +2

    The only reason to play high over the net is to make your opponent hit at shoulder/head height. You receive a week shot back and spank it for a winner. Most people can't produce the extreme rpm to play high over the net. Seems to me that everyone hits the net at some point or other. Those stupid pros. I recall a guy named Jimmy Connors who played flat and hard and did real well. Lendl never hit extremely high and had some of the best groundies ever. Of course I'm no expert. I never coached Serena. This is almost a small slight to rec players. Recreational players already know this information unless they're just starting to play. Again I have no idea. I've only played for 48 years. If you can buggywhip your forehand do it. If you can't, crush it with pace.

    • @goldencalf5144
      @goldencalf5144 9 місяців тому +1

      If you've been playing for 48 years, you should know that depth is one of the main reasons you hit high over the net. A deeper ball makes it more difficult for your opponent to attack your shot and deprives them of angles. You only need extreme rpm to hit high over the net if you want to rip the ball. Lendl and other pros probably hit higher over the net than you think. The camera angle can be deceiving.

    • @JP6649
      @JP6649 9 місяців тому +1

      @@goldencalf5144 I appreciate the response. I was a ball boy at WCT matches for a couple of years in '80-'81 Worked a Lendl match and a McEnroe match. Lendl was hitting possibly three feet over the net and kept his opponent pinned to the baseline. Great depth without the windshield wiper forehand. A lot of power in his strokes. McEnroe would sometimes needed to play higher to achieve the same depth. Height over the net with a Western forehand is easily done by those taught in that style. Try a modified Continental/Eastern grip to get height over the net and your shot is weak. Playing with an Eastern forehand grip gets me the necessary topspin and depth. My backhand drive is less strong but again gets depth with moderate topspin: with a minor grip change and correct point of contact it was a weapon. I was taught to hit away. It's literally a different game these days, compared to when I learned.

    • @goldencalf5144
      @goldencalf5144 9 місяців тому +2

      @@JP6649 Well, I'll certainly defer to your experience watching Lendl live. But 3 feet is higher than what a lot of rec players consistently hit. The average rec player will also have nowhere near the pace of Lendl. So in order to achieve the same sort of depth, they will need to hit even higher over the net. Or hit with less topspin. Your point about McEnroe hitting higher over the net illustrates this. He knew that he needed depth to neutralize Lendl's pace.

    • @JP6649
      @JP6649 9 місяців тому

      @@goldencalf5144my friend, you are absolutely right. I learned by coaching and observation. As long as I could keep someone pinned at the baseline and attack the net when available to me I was pleased. The average rec player absolutely does need a higher percentage shot. Going higher over the net is necessary. In today's game at the pro level, with players that have so much spin It's inevitable. With that much spin the ball will dip down and stay in. A high bounce results in playing shoulder height. Making the game very different than when I learned. These days I hear the phrase "so and so has great shape on the ball". It's true! They have to add shape with so much spin to keep it in play, the word makes sense. Seen a lot of matches, and different playing styles. They all work as long as you win. I must say I didn't even bother considering the club player, you did. I must cede to your very valid point.

    • @dthorne4602
      @dthorne4602 6 місяців тому

      3 feet over the net, as you say Lendl did, is considered high over the net and is exactly what Patrick is saying to do here. So you agree with him.

  • @myviews469
    @myviews469 9 місяців тому

    But if you don’t hit the net keep
    Playing that way

    • @antoinev9733
      @antoinev9733 10 днів тому

      lol yes :)
      just don't forget length ;)

  • @claudeasset2617
    @claudeasset2617 8 місяців тому

    Patrick en français svp

  • @11Garrett11
    @11Garrett11 9 місяців тому +2

    But first you have to learn how to put spin on the ball otherwise you’re just hitting lame moon balls

  • @goggleboy2464
    @goggleboy2464 Місяць тому

    This is completely false. When pros attack they arent playing high over the net

  • @lavanyasunku1441
    @lavanyasunku1441 9 місяців тому

    It’s
    My common mistake

  • @andreasfrose9150
    @andreasfrose9150 9 місяців тому

    Medvedev ist playing extremly low over the net.

  • @christianbourrel7554
    @christianbourrel7554 9 місяців тому

    traduisez en français merfum

  • @zaidhakki4054
    @zaidhakki4054 5 місяців тому

    I don’t know if I should trust that guy! What does he know😀

  • @TheMorphrick
    @TheMorphrick 4 місяці тому

    But we amateurs blow away the tennis ball by one mile 😂😢

  • @RobManser77
    @RobManser77 9 місяців тому +4

    Doesn’t this just relate to the amount of top spin the player can generate?
    To clear the net high, the player needs to generate a lot of top spin, which a good player can, which is why they can take this low risk strategy of a lot of net clearance. The reason people like me skim the net low is because we can't arc the ball down as much, so we have to do that to hit it hard. For me to clear the net by as much as is shown in this video would require me to tap the ball, almost as in a lob.
    I'd guess that I'd win more points getting 80% of my shots close over the net and in the court at 50mph than I would if I hit the balls at 10mph, cleared the net by 50cm each time and got 99% in. Cause for me, 50mph and 50cm over the net isn't possible.
    Am I right, or have I misunderstood?

    • @goldencalf5144
      @goldencalf5144 9 місяців тому +1

      Heavy topspin helps, but it's not essential. You can even hit high, deep slice albeit at a slower pace. What topspin allows you to do is hit high over the net at pace. If you don't have heavy topspin, just dial back the swing speed a bit until you get the depth you want.

    • @dthorne4602
      @dthorne4602 6 місяців тому

      No, it doesn't. If you hit flat and low over the net you may hit deep if you hit hard enough, but if you have any topspin and hit low over the net, your ball will be short every time.