he seems like a good guy honestly. He's just been raised in a society where this stuff is normalized and it's probably difficult for him to imagine making the change, but he understands that it's a problem and he doesn't try to dodge the fact that he's contributing to it.
@@akhnatenpage4854 he has literally been raised from birth to believe that this is okay. I used to eat meat and you probably did too. This isn't something all good people just instantly recognize as a moral imperative once they're old enough to think. Someone who is willing to listen and try to understand the vegan philosophy, even if he doesn't immediately understand why he should be vegan, is doing something good in my book.
Hi Joey, my name is Cait, I am 19 years old (20 end of year), I have been vegan for 2 years now, I actually discovered your videos and UA-cam channel recently, and I have watched dominion 3 times over the course of me being vegan (I actually only discovered these documentaries after I went vegan), and also earthlings, cowspiracy, what the health, seaspiracy, ect. You have inspired me so much and I cannot even begin to express what gratitude and respect I have for you and for the awareness that you have spread toward these cruel, corrupt businesses who gain profit by the exploitation of the gentle and kind, I live in South Africa and there isn't anything or anyone like that here unfortunately, but that is why I am reaching out to you, I would very much like to, in plain words, do what you do here where animal cruelty is very much active and ignored, it is a major issue and part of religion and culture here, with very closed mind people, and I aspire to be like you, to be what you are for these ignored victims of a violent industry, and I am in all honesty quite overwhelmed and am not sure where to begin or what to do or how to even start to do more because I have to, I need to help these animals to be their voice, I can't JUST be vegan I need to do more, and if you do have the time I would very much like to have guidence, if you are to busy I completely understand, the work you do is incredibly important and I will mange to figure things out as I go, but again, thank you for what you do, love Cait 🖤
Shit this was a good one! A nice, normal and honest young man whos willing to actually sit down and have a conversation. Hats off to him, i reckon he's on the right track. 💚
I'd say the young man just needs to see a bit more of the reality of what these animals go through, do some research on vegan nutrition (specifically for his body building needs) and he would do well. A nice conversation, and he was certainly open and honest too 🌱💪
Agreed let him watch "earthlings" and "cowspiracy"...so many carnists are totally distanced from the suffering, they merely buy the secretions and dead bodies neatly packaged... just as animal ag wants them to.
@@JohnJohn-xb1sn Funny that the phytoestrogen found in plants is 1/10000 of that found in mammalian estrogen. You know, the stuff you guzzle by the gallon from cow teats. 🤦♀️
Joey is an uneducated person that knows nothing about nutrition and pushing harmful diets on babies and growing children, a proper wrongun. He is so uneducated he claims we eat meat for 5 minutes of pleasure.
@@veganm8918 Herbivores ingest plant matter but their nutrition is primarily short chain fatty acids (SCFA) i.e. saturated fat from fibre fermentation. An elephant can get almost 100% of its nutrition from SCFA. Gorillas get about 60% of their nutrition from SCFA. These herbivores have fermentation organs that house the fibre fermenting bacteria. They feed the bacteria fibre, and the bacteria feeds them SCFA. They get their proteins from the bacteria that die in their organs. These animals are strong because they use the most dense energy source, fat. They have a low carb, medium protein and high fat nutrition profile. As a human we have the smallest large intestine (volume relative to size) compared to gibbons, orangutans, gorillas and chimpanzees. Meanwhile we have the largest small intestine (2x bigger). We cannot obtain nutrition from ingesting plants like strict herbivores can. Unless you are fermenting your food on the counter top to get all of those SCFAs (good luck eating that 🤢) I don't think you are getting comparable nutrition to a big strong herbivore. Now I know the average vegan will rebut with this organ size info by stressing our reliance on cooking for nutrition, but cooking still doesn't explain away the herbivore's major reliance on SCFA for their nutrition. So remember to go low carb and eat your grass-fed fatty meat if you want to be healthy 😁
@@veganm8918 Incorrect. Some herbivores use size and numbers as a form of a survival tactic. But it is based on their genetics not what they consume. Silverback gorillas are not herbivores. Some of the strongest animals pound for pound include tigers , bears, eagles and large pythons. Huge animals like blue whales are carnivores.
What's funnier, meat, e.g. chicken breats are more processed than plants, for example broccoli or cabbage. But it's also depends on what kind of meat or plant we are talking about
Another point is.....who cares if it's processed? What even is the definition of processing. You always have to process your food somehow. Grinding something and adding salt to it counts as a "PROCESS" These ppl act as if they are just straight up biting a chunk off of a cow...like an actual animal..or something.
@@Tragicomedy2137 wasn't questioning you..... The whole "it's not natural" shit really gets to me. Especially me being a doctor....when I get patients who refuse actual life saving treatment and then proceed to eat random herbal bullshit or crystals or something. All because, modern medicine isn't NATURAL.
Dude, you should also check Simnet Nutrition, Pickup Limes, Crazy Healthy Cool, Cheap Lazy Vegan, Gaz Oakley, Rainbow Plant Life, The Happy Pear or Edgy Veg. Good luck, you seems to be a good guy!
"The vast majority of human beings don't like to question what they are taught. It takes too much work, too much courage, too much self-esteem to reject what is accepted by all around you. Equal parts of fear and laziness usually convince humanity to just play by the rules handed to them." Daniele Bolelli, Create Your own Religion
@@happycarnivore5481 Carnism is an ancient belief system that refuses to challenge any of its beliefs. It ignores scientific evidence, has inconsistent morality, makes regular animal sacrifices, and has a total disregard for logical processes. All of the above are trademarks of most religions. Which elements of veganism are religious? It would be good to see your workings out because I can think of nothing about veganism that is like a religion. Carnists "think for themselves," and have a reputation for critical thinking and rigorous investigation, so lets see it. It is not like you make wild claims without a second thought is it? 🙂
Good to see a conversation with someone open minded and seemingly honest. I'm pretty sure he is vegan at heart, like most people, but just need the connection and align his actions with the values he actually has. Hope he looks into the practical parts about living plant based and realize he can easily be vegan. Hench Herbivore has a lot of knowledge on plant foods, especially relating to body building. Don't get your gains by taking the gains of animals. Your body doesn't have to be a morgue.
@@Stevelives13 no, he’s just lying. Being generous you could probably hit 5k consistently 3 or 4 days a week cooking at home. But saying he’s hotel hopping, it’s literally impossible.
@@akhnatenpage4854 Yep, as Dorian Yates said, once you hit a certain level whether its protein. steroids or training everything else is just being wasted like continuing to pour water into a full glass.
Joey- I love the citations of studies in your video, and putting them on screen is great, but posting a link to them in the comments would be even better. That way, I could link to this video as a way to cite that evidence in debates on Reddit, etc. Unfortunately, UA-cam currently deletes all comments that include links of any kind
Vegans: explains why consuming animal products is detrimental to the environment and is extremely unethical since it significantly harms and kills animals and is unnecessary Non-Vegan: either accepts that they should be vegan, or says no, or continues the debate and says counterarguments until they either disagree or agree.
@Joey Carbstrong, please give them leaflets with more links they should visit.. Dominion, etc what they see they will not be able to un-see. And obviously in case of this bodybuilding bloke - Delgado staff. What ppl hear .. stays in their memory for short time comparing to visual experience , especially when the links are easily accessible .. in front of their nose. Luv u @Joey Carbstrong xx
my health has improved a lot, after 2.5 years as a vegan!. Before, my blood pressure was way too high and I had heart problems, obesity etc. It is completely gone now, as a good side benefit of doing the moral and ethical right for the animals. If only 25% of the world's population became vegan, there would be enough food for everyone, plus such large forest areas would not have to be felled for animal feed, better climate. I pray for a world without abuse of any animals, no slaughterhouses ❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️
Even if we may never get people on our side about animal cruelty (which they are completely wrong about btw) It is obvious how much it will help the climate.
And let’s not forget the obvious, another species milk is not meant for humans bodies! A lot of these people need to hear this as they don’t really care about the animals. From what I’ve seen most people are disconnected and the way to wake them up is to tell them what is natural for our physiology.
POSSIBLE carcinogen.. they put possible because it's not fact.. they also add in processed meats into that which are obviously not good for you. Anyone is welcome to do simple research "is beef good for babies brain development" "Is beef a superfood" "is beef a nutritional powerhouse" How are you all adults and still no idea what to put in your bodies🤣😂
@@animalsareherewithusnotforuscan you name me ONE vegan food that can replicate how nutritionally packed beef liver is, salmon or even turkey? JUST ONE and please remember your soy, legumes etc are filled with anti nutrients blocking full absorption of protein, zinc, iron, calcium, vit D etc etc
Grass fed beef is the most anti inflammatory food in the planet. Plants are what’s inflammatory, toxic, carcinogenic, etc, and we can’t even digest them properly anymore because of millions of years of eating mainly meat.
This video perfectly illustrates the misconception that bodybuilding and veganism are mutually exclusive. To all the skeptics out there, come check me out if you want to see a real-life example of a strong and compassionate vegan!
So I tend to eat foods that I know make my body feel good when it gives me energy or makes me feel full and satisfied, nothing does that as much as steak seafood and chicken does. I am going to eat what makes my body feel good no matter what anyone says, if my body is happy I am happy
I eat around 4k kcal per day and I have days when I eat 5k kcal. It’s not hard as a vegan. I have at least 250g of protein every day and sometimes 300-350g… If he wants to be vegan, he can do it!
I work as a carpenter 40+ hour weeks, walk 3+ miles a day, and go rock climbing 5+ hours a week. I eat 3500 cals a day. What is this guy doing to need 5000cals a day 😂 And if he is eating 5000 cals a day, why is he worried about protein?? If he ate 5000 calories of peanut butter, he'd be consuming nearly 250 grams of protein.. and nuts are primarily a fat source. He could literally eat 5000 calories of anything WFPB and be getting WAY over his protein needs for bodybuilding..
He seems like a sweet guy, and honest. I doubt he'll go vegan but theres a semblence of compassion there. Hopefully he got a card on his way out? I didnt see joey give him one.
You don’t have to care about everything to have constant moral values. I genuinely don’t care about animals. What they do and how they chose to live. But I care about ME exploiting a living creature when I don’t have to. This is why I’m “vegan” or whatever I am.
Sometimes you wish that one can magically switch places of an ignoramus & a farmed animal so they deeply understand the worst feeling in the world: unnecessary pain & suffering
Riggers tie ropes and sling loads - not physical work! All the work is done mechanically. Ive worked in industrial construction for 42 yrs - now 58 yrs old. Come and work with me son!
That guy does not need 250g of protein haha I don't even eat that and I compete in bodybuilding. Everyone thinks they need so much more protein than we actually need.
It's a common behavior, most people disconnect from the horrors of the world. We hear 23,000 killed in Palestine and do nothing, millions of animals are slaughtered every day, etc. When someone you know (dog, cat, human) is affected by such horror, the connection is much deeper. I wish for all humans to get in touch with empathy for others.
You've given him something to think about at least. His reaction wasn't one of someone who genuinely doesn't give a crap. More like one who does but just isn't really in the frame of mind to be changing yet. It's so important what you're doing. Early days of humanity, someone discovered we can sneak up on an animal, hit them with a rock, and then eat them and we don't die. We actually get energy and get stronger the more savage we become doing that. We are in currently the longest lasting and most successful attempt at separating ourselves from that kind of cruel animalistic behaviour. Society. Civilisation. That's what this is. The fact that we've made several technological and moral leaps in our behaviour regarding other things - transport - clothing - treatment of eachother - homes - heating - light - communication..... but when it comes to food, we still DO THE EXACT THING WE STARTED DOING IN THE EARLY DAYS. When people do a medieval re-enactment fair thing, the ONLY thing that's not being re-enacted and is just the SAME as it was in medieval times is the food banquet everyone serves. That's just Friday night at Denny's!!! There's no difference!!! No progress or technology made - EXCEPT!!! Plant based. This has triggered an awareness, through Veganism, that has resulted in CLONED MEAT actually being a filthy reality!! Yet people want to fight against it, mostly to protect their choice to eat what they want - one of the few actual freedoms afforded to them. So it's essentially a threat to stagnate our technological and moral progress as a species, for a very childish and defensive reason. People like you help to etch away at this.
The size of the shop doesn’t have anything to do with what the animal experienced. If you really truly have to eat meat to survive for some reason, maybe eat meat from wild animals who lived a normal life up until they got killed as quickly as possible with no anticipation of being killed. (That’s one area where humans make “better” predators than other species; if I absolutely HAD to be killed by an animal for some reason but I got to choose the animal, I would choose a human because they shoot you in the heart when you don’t suspect anything instead of chasing you down and ripping your throat out.) But I suspect that when your doctors said to eat meat, they were referring to something that is found in meat but not only in meat. I don’t know enough about your particular situation to say for sure.
No, because it's so nutritionally packed there's not a single vegan food that can replicate beef, beef liver, turkey, salmon, eggs, chicken, deer, elk, rabbit etc etc. Your legumes, soy, rice have high amounts of anti-nutrients in your soy which blocks full absorption of protein, zinc, iron, calcium, vit D etc. Also meat doesn't have stupid amounts of toxic heavy metals like soy, legumes, rice, grains etc not to mention plant estrogens and neurotoxins. Hahaha there are soooo many reasons to never go vegan.
@@benmrgamw681Soy is one of the best vegan sources of protein you can get, soy contains high levels of all 9 essential amino acids making it a COMPLETE PROTEIN. Stop spouting your nonsense 🤫
@@lorraineraven3836 soy as well as all legumes and many of your foods contain high levels of anti nutrients which block full absorption of protein, zinc, iron, calcium etc🤦 literally all of you half decent proteins can't be fully absorbed like animal protein😁
@@KrwiomoczBogurodzicy so then its not sustainable. Even long term vegans who switch back to high quality, no processed/junk, animal foods feel way better. A wholefood animal based diet gives you everything. Being a vegan activist is damn near terrorism. Yall will kill and disrupt the lives of people just cause they choose to eat animals. Yall think yall goin to Heaven tryna get people to go vegan? Yall only create hate and chaos.
Animals behaviour actually changes when they are surrounded by elegant, aware humans who can communicate with them (in regards to the dogs attacking a fox)
i think you should look at tribe at noir for vegan food and how protein works. getting 200g of protein wasd already the first mistake. ppl read that ur supposedf to eat a graM OF protein per pound of lean muscle mass. that means ur weight subtracted by ur body fat percent which typically ppl underestimate by 3-5% even 7 if ur not informed in body fat etc. he needs way less protein, amino acid goals easy to hit, high carb from fruit is gonn have him looking pumped 24/7 and decreased heal;th risks all around. on top of recovery being shot up. our musclesd are 60% plus water and rthe rest is protein and fat. structure wise fruits the best/
That’s wild he said that. That is not something to be proud of. Yeah we been murdering for thousands of years. So let’s not stop?? I hope change comes soon.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 if something bleeds and feels pain right before death. Then yes it is. Doesn’t matter how you value the one who is dying. Last time I checked humans and animals both bleed. They not aliens bleeding some green substance.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 animals reproduce like us, want happiness like us and want a decent life like us. Only thing they do not do is get into trivial conversations deciding the fate of individuals like we are now. Being human does not mean we are the only beings on Earth entitled to a good life. This earth is big enough for us all, humans just need to learn to share is all.
"The robber who breaketh into the house made by man is guilty, but they who break into the house made by God, even of the least of these are the greater sinners. Wherefore I say unto all who desire to be my disciples, keep your hands from bloodshed and let no flesh meat enter your mouths, for God is just and bountiful, who ordaineth that man shall live by the fruits and seeds of the earth alone." Your body is your house. You literally rob when you steal the flesh from another living sentient being.
If you want easy calories, you can't do better than oil. That's literally and exactly why milk itself is easy calories; the high fat content! So just use more oil in your cooking and you accomplish the same thing. Do it with flaxseed oil, and you're even getting a ton of omega-3s on top of it.
I'd not dare to say that you can be grossly massive on 100% plant foods. If it's like this guy sure. Put in the work (out), don't starve yourself with an apples and oranges diet, rest and sleep enough, done.
Unless you're looking to be a competitive professional bodybuilder its a bit pathetic really. Lots of people walking around trying to be big for no reason other than insecurity, whilst billions are starving.
@@Stevelives13 I mean to be fair, for some it's genuinely just a fun hobby. It has a very similar appeal like settlement building sim such as anno etc.
@@lolzerd3745 Nah, its mostly insecure guys who are scared that other men see them as inferior or hoping that muscles will be some kind of compensation for other lacking qualities in the pursuit of attracting women. Its purely done for appearances sake.
@@Stevelives13 That's wrong imo. The similarities between games like anno and muscle building seem so obvious. You manage your calories, macro and micro nutrients (resources) in order to build your body (city). On your journey you find new recipes and food sources (unlock new resources buildings etc.). Moreover there are other kinds of benefits, assuming you don't engage in supplement misuse you will see some health gains and you will also get better in other sports you engage in. Of course for most people looks also play a role, they like that other people find them more attractive but a) there's nothing really wrong with that in itself and b) reducing it to just that seems like a hard cope but that's just the feeling I'm getting.
I'd say it depends. Wanting to be muscular can be fun. Wanting to look like a freak and lose speed, not being able to run long times or distances, etc that screams insecurity.
Free range farming is a great way to not have to compromise on our natural omnivore diet. Our bodies evolved on a mostly meat diet and is what is required to maintain proper brain and body health. It doesn't make any logical sense to alter our diets based on an emotional response of how you don't like unethical farming practices which are much easier to fix then to convince the whole world to go vegan.
Free range can only handle about 10% of the animals a factory farm has... so you willing to pay the 90% difference? There also wouldn't be enough for everyone so the only solution is to stop.
It doesn't make logical sense to use more land and resources to make even less meat available to the public. So vegan is the way. Plus animals don't deserve to die for our taste pleasure.
This is not what anthropologists today say, when i was in school sure, but now they find the diets were mostly starches with fruit and occasionally meat.
@@11235Aodh that's simply not true. There are no cave paintings of bananas and potatoes. We were hunter-gatherers on a mostly meat diet. Our brains require a a lot of energy that can't be supplied by fruits and starches. Even on a fruit and starch diet today with all the availability in a supermarket vegans suffer from malnutrition. Humans would have went extinct a long time.
@@Vegan32 did you know there were about 60 million bison roaming the Great Plains, and only about 30 million cattle here in the United States today? Are vegans saying bison were using up all of the land? You really need to think about what you're saying before you put it in writing.
Something we should do better in our arguments is not necessary tackling the “humane” slaughter myth but bringing forth the estimated 25 percent of animals who don’t even make it to the slaughterhouse because they die a horrible death full of suffering, most of them are chickens. These deaths are from disease, their large bodies, etc. Some are pigs who are thumped to death because they don’t grow quick enough. Just awful.
One thing I know for sure is that he 100% does not eat 5000 calories per day. He may have done it once or twice but no way he consistently eats that many calories per day. He's lying or he's messing up the math. 5000 calories are like Sam Sulek numbers and I bet he's not hitting that all the time.
I'm sure there are some vegan ppl out there who start fangirling when they see Joey on the street. I'm not saying I wanna see how the worship Joey, I evan think it can make Joey a bit uncomfortable, but sometimes it would be nice seeing peole who recognise Joey and say something nice, or share a little story.
If you think about it - “humane” organic meat is not even worth it. You will only lose time, energy and money: FIRST - you have to invest MORE TIME to do your groceries. Imagine: you do all your groceries in one supermarket and then you have to drive to this one shop just for the meat. It may be far away. Then you have to go back. SECOND - you have to invest EVEN MORE TIME to do your research. Do you even know where they sell this kind of “humane” organic meat? Do you know the address of the shop? If not you need to spend some time to find out. What is more - you have to check both - how these animals are treated on the farm and how they are killed. How are you going to do this? First, you need to track both: farm and slaughterhouse addresses. Probably go to the shop and ask them about the farm address. Then, you need to drive to the farm. You need to ask which slaughterhouse they send the animals to. You have to drive there. You have to talk to the people who work on the farm and slaughterhouse and see the entire process on your own. From the beginning to the end - including impregnation, life on farm, transport to the slaughterhouse, killing process etc. Only this way you will be sure there is no abuse, violence and suffering. When we talk about morality (“humane” meat is a matter of morality) you must be sure. You can’t guess or assume. It’s your responsibility to make an effort to check EVERYTHING when you choose this option (especially when there is a vegan option). It’s a matter of animals’ life. THIRD - you will spend more money. Don’t you think this meat is more expensive? On top of that you also have to add the fuel price to drive to the shop and go back. Since this “humane” organic meat is more expensive you either eat less meat and spend the same amount of money as before or eat the same amount of meat but spend more money. IF YOU EAT LESS MEAT you need to start tracking your meals (via cronometer.com or similar app) and planning how to provide enough kcal (what is more: if you don’t have basic knowledge about nutrition you need to educate yourself at least a little) - that’s even more time you need to invest. If you don’t do this you will not consume enough calories, you will be tired all the time and cause deficiencies. But even if you eat less meat to spend the same amount of money you will end up spending more money overall. Sure, you will spend the same amount of money on meat (because you eat less of it) but precisely because you eat less meat you need to eat more other additional food to provide enough calories (remember this additional food also costs money). FOURTH - you need to invest A LOT OF ENERGY to do your research, educate yourself, go to the farm, go to the slaughterhouse, talk to the employees, find the shop, go to the shop, go back from the shop. You need to plan when you go to the shop. If you eat less meat and as a consequence provide not enough calories and nutrition you will have less energy and be tired all the time. TO SUM UP - you will spend more time, money and energy on “humane” organic meat. And what does “humane slaughter” even mean? Can you humanely kill someone who doesn’t want to die? Going vegan is cheaper and easier. In both cases you need to invest some time to educate yourself but at least no animals are killed in the process. I believe in you, because you are a good person. Go vegan! One love.
That was a great video Joey .
At least that guy seemed to be honest and open minded.
he seems like a good guy honestly. He's just been raised in a society where this stuff is normalized and it's probably difficult for him to imagine making the change, but he understands that it's a problem and he doesn't try to dodge the fact that he's contributing to it.
He’s lying multiple times to continue oppressing others. Doesnt sound like a good guy to me.
@@akhnatenpage4854 he has literally been raised from birth to believe that this is okay. I used to eat meat and you probably did too. This isn't something all good people just instantly recognize as a moral imperative once they're old enough to think. Someone who is willing to listen and try to understand the vegan philosophy, even if he doesn't immediately understand why he should be vegan, is doing something good in my book.
@@dohpam1ne it’s fine and all to look and acknowledge the good, but his actions are his actions.
@@akhnatenpage4854 Animals are not others as you try to make it sound like.
@@happycarnivore5481 animals are not other beings? What are they then?
respect to this guy for having a convo with a guy with a totally different viewpoint and bein cool about it, givin the perspective a chance
Hi Joey, my name is Cait, I am 19 years old (20 end of year), I have been vegan for 2 years now, I actually discovered your videos and UA-cam channel recently, and I have watched dominion 3 times over the course of me being vegan (I actually only discovered these documentaries after I went vegan), and also earthlings, cowspiracy, what the health, seaspiracy, ect. You have inspired me so much and I cannot even begin to express what gratitude and respect I have for you and for the awareness that you have spread toward these cruel, corrupt businesses who gain profit by the exploitation of the gentle and kind, I live in South Africa and there isn't anything or anyone like that here unfortunately, but that is why I am reaching out to you, I would very much like to, in plain words, do what you do here where animal cruelty is very much active and ignored, it is a major issue and part of religion and culture here, with very closed mind people, and I aspire to be like you, to be what you are for these ignored victims of a violent industry, and I am in all honesty quite overwhelmed and am not sure where to begin or what to do or how to even start to do more because I have to, I need to help these animals to be their voice, I can't JUST be vegan I need to do more, and if you do have the time I would very much like to have guidence, if you are to busy I completely understand, the work you do is incredibly important and I will mange to figure things out as I go, but again, thank you for what you do, love Cait 🖤
Hey Cait this is fantastic! Thank you for being vegan for the innocent :D
Shit this was a good one! A nice, normal and honest young man whos willing to actually sit down and have a conversation. Hats off to him, i reckon he's on the right track. 💚
I'd say the young man just needs to see a bit more of the reality of what these animals go through, do some research on vegan nutrition (specifically for his body building needs) and he would do well. A nice conversation, and he was certainly open and honest too 🌱💪
He’s seen all of the reality the animals go through. He’s gone into slaughterhouses first hand and everything.
@@HelwysD2 Joey has, I don't know about the other young man.
Agreed let him watch "earthlings" and "cowspiracy"...so many carnists are totally distanced from the suffering, they merely buy the secretions and dead bodies neatly packaged...
just as animal ag wants them to.
I'm twice as beefier than this guy, with no beef.
No one needs to die for my gains. 🌱💪🏽✌🏾✌🏾
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@@matheustomi2609 vegan since feb 2018. "Believe it."
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That's man boobs from all the soy
@@JohnJohn-xb1sn Funny that the phytoestrogen found in plants is 1/10000 of that found in mammalian estrogen. You know, the stuff you guzzle by the gallon from cow teats. 🤦♀️
5000 cals a day seems BS to me . Especially living out of hotels . Unless you're smashing weight gainer shakes or pizza . That's hard
yeh I'm inclined to agree with this. Not that hard to do every now and then , but every day, quite difficult.
@@JoeyCarbstrong yeah man . Easier if you're home and cooking every day .
But out of hotels ....nah I don't see it
Also 250g of protein seems so excessive for this guy's weight
@@JaySlowe it's about 5 times the typical requirement.
he seems like a nice guy tbh, but he's pulling figures out of the air cos he's on the spot.
Eat 3 Mc burger meals and you have gone over that.... newbs
Thank you for having these conversations!!
Thanks so much for your hard work!
Joey is an uneducated person that knows nothing about nutrition and pushing harmful diets on babies and growing children, a proper wrongun.
He is so uneducated he claims we eat meat for 5 minutes of pleasure.
It's super cringe to build muscles on the backs of innocent animals. It''s narcissism through and through.
Well, you cannot build muscle well with plants, the amino acids are super leaky, very bad proportions of them in plants. This is just a fact
The strongest animals walking the earth such as elephants, rhinos, buffalo, hippos, silverback gorilla etc all build their muscle from plants.
@@veganm8918 Herbivores ingest plant matter but their nutrition is primarily short chain fatty acids (SCFA) i.e. saturated fat from fibre fermentation. An elephant can get almost 100% of its nutrition from SCFA. Gorillas get about 60% of their nutrition from SCFA. These herbivores have fermentation organs that house the fibre fermenting bacteria. They feed the bacteria fibre, and the bacteria feeds them SCFA. They get their proteins from the bacteria that die in their organs. These animals are strong because they use the most dense energy source, fat. They have a low carb, medium protein and high fat nutrition profile. As a human we have the smallest large intestine (volume relative to size) compared to gibbons, orangutans, gorillas and chimpanzees. Meanwhile we have the largest small intestine (2x bigger). We cannot obtain nutrition from ingesting plants like strict herbivores can. Unless you are fermenting your food on the counter top to get all of those SCFAs (good luck eating that 🤢) I don't think you are getting comparable nutrition to a big strong herbivore. Now I know the average vegan will rebut with this organ size info by stressing our reliance on cooking for nutrition, but cooking still doesn't explain away the herbivore's major reliance on SCFA for their nutrition. So remember to go low carb and eat your grass-fed fatty meat if you want to be healthy 😁
If they’re so strong then they need to gain some willpower and go vegan!!!! 🌱
@@veganm8918 Incorrect.
Some herbivores use size and numbers as a form of a survival tactic. But it is based on their genetics not what they consume.
Silverback gorillas are not herbivores.
Some of the strongest animals pound for pound include tigers , bears, eagles and large pythons.
Huge animals like blue whales are carnivores.
I appreciate these videos for effectively portraying people's empathy and compassion, even though they haven't entirely made all the connections yet.
Almost three quarters of all food in the West is heavily processed but apparently plants are more processed, weird deflection.
What's funnier, meat, e.g. chicken breats are more processed than plants, for example broccoli or cabbage. But it's also depends on what kind of meat or plant we are talking about
Another point is.....who cares if it's processed?
What even is the definition of processing.
You always have to process your food somehow.
Grinding something and adding salt to it counts as a "PROCESS"
These ppl act as if they are just straight up biting a chunk off of a cow...like an actual animal..or something.
@@siddhanthravichandran3245 If you're asking me, then I dont know. It's idiotic for me
@@Tragicomedy2137 wasn't questioning you.....
The whole "it's not natural" shit really gets to me.
Especially me being a doctor....when I get patients who refuse actual life saving treatment and then proceed to eat random herbal bullshit or crystals or something.
All because, modern medicine isn't NATURAL.
@@siddhanthravichandran3245 indeed, I just mentioned it because non-vegans seem to think that everything processed is vegan.
Dude, you should also check Simnet Nutrition, Pickup Limes, Crazy Healthy Cool, Cheap Lazy Vegan, Gaz Oakley, Rainbow Plant Life, The Happy Pear or Edgy Veg. Good luck, you seems to be a good guy!
"The vast majority of human beings don't like to question what they are taught.
It takes too much work, too much courage, too much self-esteem to reject what is accepted by all around you.
Equal parts of fear and laziness usually convince humanity to just play by the rules handed to them."
Daniele Bolelli, Create Your own Religion
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We are rejecting veganism, we are not accepting it, we think for ourselves. Veganism is a new religion.
@@happycarnivore5481 Carnism is an ancient belief system that refuses to challenge any of its beliefs.
It ignores scientific evidence, has inconsistent morality, makes regular animal sacrifices, and has a total disregard for logical processes.
All of the above are trademarks of most religions. Which elements of veganism are religious?
It would be good to see your workings out because I can think of nothing about veganism that is like a religion.
Carnists "think for themselves," and have a reputation for critical thinking and rigorous investigation, so lets see it. It is not like you make wild claims without a second thought is it? 🙂
@@bbybeatboxx You are incorrect on most points. But hey be vegan, I am not stopping you.
It's not about saving your body. You can eat meat with eggs and cheese once a week and still be perfectly healthy. It's about saving your Soul.
Good to see a conversation with someone open minded and seemingly honest.
I'm pretty sure he is vegan at heart, like most people, but just need the connection and align his actions with the values he actually has.
Hope he looks into the practical parts about living plant based and realize he can easily be vegan.
Hench Herbivore has a lot of knowledge on plant foods, especially relating to body building.
Don't get your gains by taking the gains of animals. Your body doesn't have to be a morgue.
Kickass interview.
No way this guy needs 300g of protein a day. Even a silverback gorilla isn't eating that much.
Bro said he needs 5k calories with a straight face. Lmao
@@akhnatenpage4854 Thats literally double the recommended RDA of an adult male. His digestive system must be struggling.
@@Stevelives13 no, he’s just lying. Being generous you could probably hit 5k consistently 3 or 4 days a week cooking at home. But saying he’s hotel hopping, it’s literally impossible.
Also there’s only so much protein your system can handle. So most of those 5k would be useless calories anyway.
@@akhnatenpage4854 Yep, as Dorian Yates said, once you hit a certain level whether its protein. steroids or training everything else is just being wasted like continuing to pour water into a full glass.
Joey- I love the citations of studies in your video, and putting them on screen is great, but posting a link to them in the comments would be even better. That way, I could link to this video as a way to cite that evidence in debates on Reddit, etc. Unfortunately, UA-cam currently deletes all comments that include links of any kind
Not a terrible conversation. Hopefully the guy does look up Nimai Delgado and other vegan gym bros for some inspiration and information
He's a smart guy! I hope he makes the connection and sticks to it
I’m twice this guys size.
Not eaten meat for 26 years
Being fat doesn't count..
@@mrbeanie5314 Are you blind or stupid. That’s me in the profile pic…(so I’m going to assume both)
@@mrbeanie5314 You must be blind or stupid because that’s me in my profile pic.
@@mrbeanie5314 You must be blind or stupid because that’s me in my profile pic.
@@mrbeanie5314 You must be blind or stupid because that’s me in my profile pic.
5000 cal. Dudes got a 4 inch downpipe for a throat
The vegan debate in a nutshell.
VEGAN: Become vegan.
NON-VEGAN: No.
The End.
Vegans: explains why consuming animal products is detrimental to the environment and is extremely unethical since it significantly harms and kills animals and is unnecessary
Non-Vegan: either accepts that they should be vegan, or says no, or continues the debate and says counterarguments until they either disagree or agree.
Plant the seed.
@Joey Carbstrong, please give them leaflets with more links they should visit.. Dominion, etc what they see they will not be able to un-see. And obviously in case of this bodybuilding bloke - Delgado staff.
What ppl hear .. stays in their memory for short time comparing to visual experience , especially when the links are easily accessible .. in front of their nose. Luv u @Joey Carbstrong xx
my health has improved a lot, after 2.5 years as a vegan!. Before, my blood pressure was way too high and I had heart problems, obesity etc. It is completely gone now, as a good side benefit of doing the moral and ethical right for the animals. If only 25% of the world's population became vegan, there would be enough food for everyone, plus such large forest areas would not have to be felled for animal feed, better climate. I pray for a world without abuse of any animals, no slaughterhouses
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Even if we may never get people on our side about animal cruelty (which they are completely wrong about btw) It is obvious how much it will help the climate.
thanks Joey!
that was good conversation👍
And let’s not forget the obvious, another species milk is not meant for humans bodies! A lot of these people need to hear this as they don’t really care about the animals. From what I’ve seen most people are disconnected and the way to wake them up is to tell them what is natural for our physiology.
the horces have their protein from in hindi called chana.......or brown chick peas
Steak is super food is wild knowing its a class 2a carcinogen...
Oh man, here come the "I eat only grass fed from my local guy people."
POSSIBLE carcinogen.. they put possible because it's not fact.. they also add in processed meats into that which are obviously not good for you. Anyone is welcome to do simple research "is beef good for babies brain development" "Is beef a superfood" "is beef a nutritional powerhouse"
How are you all adults and still no idea what to put in your bodies🤣😂
Inflaming bodies, shortening lives, real superfood
Edit: knowing it is “claimed” to be a class 2a carcinogen. Sometimes we are told things based on faulty science and logic.
@@animalsareherewithusnotforuscan you name me ONE vegan food that can replicate how nutritionally packed beef liver is, salmon or even turkey? JUST ONE and please remember your soy, legumes etc are filled with anti nutrients blocking full absorption of protein, zinc, iron, calcium, vit D etc etc
Grass fed beef is the most anti inflammatory food in the planet. Plants are what’s inflammatory, toxic, carcinogenic, etc, and we can’t even digest them properly anymore because of millions of years of eating mainly meat.
This video perfectly illustrates the misconception that bodybuilding and veganism are mutually exclusive. To all the skeptics out there, come check me out if you want to see a real-life example of a strong and compassionate vegan!
So I tend to eat foods that I know make my body feel good when it gives me energy or makes me feel full and satisfied, nothing does that as much as steak seafood and chicken does. I am going to eat what makes my body feel good no matter what anyone says, if my body is happy I am happy
I eat around 4k kcal per day and I have days when I eat 5k kcal. It’s not hard as a vegan. I have at least 250g of protein every day and sometimes 300-350g…
If he wants to be vegan, he can do it!
@@GrundyMcReilly You have to be a true hater to say that. I'm clearly more buff than him. lol.. but, yeah..motivated reasoning at its best
Why don't you see many old bodybuilders..., because too much protein does wonders for your health. We all get too much protein.
I work as a carpenter 40+ hour weeks, walk 3+ miles a day, and go rock climbing 5+ hours a week. I eat 3500 cals a day. What is this guy doing to need 5000cals a day 😂
And if he is eating 5000 cals a day, why is he worried about protein?? If he ate 5000 calories of peanut butter, he'd be consuming nearly 250 grams of protein.. and nuts are primarily a fat source. He could literally eat 5000 calories of anything WFPB and be getting WAY over his protein needs for bodybuilding..
You should ask this guy why he wants to be muscular to begin with...
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Both relevant questions worthy of being asked.
thank you for your work for the animals!
babe wake up new carbstrong debate just dropped
Thank you Joey and all Vegan activists!🌈
" You can't go vegan for health reasons, you can only go vegan for ethics ". Yes !!!!! This is it !!!!!
good work Joey!!!
great video
5000cal is pretty reasonable if your trying to put on size and strength , physical job , skinny build , it takes alot
He seems like a sweet guy, and honest. I doubt he'll go vegan but theres a semblence of compassion there. Hopefully he got a card on his way out? I didnt see joey give him one.
Great work 😊
You don’t have to care about everything to have constant moral values.
I genuinely don’t care about animals. What they do and how they chose to live.
But I care about ME exploiting a living creature when I don’t have to.
This is why I’m “vegan” or whatever I am.
What did he say about raw milk being illegal? I thought it needed be pasteurized for us to consume it?
Sometimes you wish that one can magically switch places of an ignoramus & a farmed animal so they deeply understand the worst feeling in the world: unnecessary pain & suffering
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Riggers tie ropes and sling loads - not physical work! All the work is done mechanically. Ive worked in industrial construction for 42 yrs - now 58 yrs old. Come and work with me son!
That guy does not need 250g of protein haha I don't even eat that and I compete in bodybuilding. Everyone thinks they need so much more protein than we actually need.
Exactly, at least 100g above what he needs. 200 pounds lean here, much bigger than him and I get between 120 and 150g tops. More than enough
So many people overeat protein. I'm 220lbs and I can gain eating 140g protein a day
5000? What a waste on food ...
Love you joey ❤❤❤ thank you
Make your body a temple, not a tomb
It's a common behavior, most people disconnect from the horrors of the world. We hear 23,000 killed in Palestine and do nothing, millions of animals are slaughtered every day, etc. When someone you know (dog, cat, human) is affected by such horror, the connection is much deeper. I wish for all humans to get in touch with empathy for others.
You've given him something to think about at least. His reaction wasn't one of someone who genuinely doesn't give a crap. More like one who does but just isn't really in the frame of mind to be changing yet.
It's so important what you're doing. Early days of humanity, someone discovered we can sneak up on an animal, hit them with a rock, and then eat them and we don't die. We actually get energy and get stronger the more savage we become doing that.
We are in currently the longest lasting and most successful attempt at separating ourselves from that kind of cruel animalistic behaviour. Society. Civilisation. That's what this is.
The fact that we've made several technological and moral leaps in our behaviour regarding other things - transport - clothing - treatment of eachother - homes - heating - light - communication..... but when it comes to food, we still DO THE EXACT THING WE STARTED DOING IN THE EARLY DAYS.
When people do a medieval re-enactment fair thing, the ONLY thing that's not being re-enacted and is just the SAME as it was in medieval times is the food banquet everyone serves. That's just Friday night at Denny's!!! There's no difference!!! No progress or technology made - EXCEPT!!! Plant based. This has triggered an awareness, through Veganism, that has resulted in CLONED MEAT actually being a filthy reality!!
Yet people want to fight against it, mostly to protect their choice to eat what they want - one of the few actual freedoms afforded to them. So it's essentially a threat to stagnate our technological and moral progress as a species, for a very childish and defensive reason.
People like you help to etch away at this.
vegans please tell me am i a bad person of eating meat from small shops for my diseases that doctors said that i need it?
The size of the shop doesn’t have anything to do with what the animal experienced. If you really truly have to eat meat to survive for some reason, maybe eat meat from wild animals who lived a normal life up until they got killed as quickly as possible with no anticipation of being killed. (That’s one area where humans make “better” predators than other species; if I absolutely HAD to be killed by an animal for some reason but I got to choose the animal, I would choose a human because they shoot you in the heart when you don’t suspect anything instead of chasing you down and ripping your throat out.) But I suspect that when your doctors said to eat meat, they were referring to something that is found in meat but not only in meat. I don’t know enough about your particular situation to say for sure.
Steak Superfood cause it create a lot jobs in the Bigpharma Industries
No, because it's so nutritionally packed there's not a single vegan food that can replicate beef, beef liver, turkey, salmon, eggs, chicken, deer, elk, rabbit etc etc. Your legumes, soy, rice have high amounts of anti-nutrients in your soy which blocks full absorption of protein, zinc, iron, calcium, vit D etc. Also meat doesn't have stupid amounts of toxic heavy metals like soy, legumes, rice, grains etc not to mention plant estrogens and neurotoxins. Hahaha there are soooo many reasons to never go vegan.
I think you mean plants. There’s a reason many health conditions of today we’re super rare when we ate more meat.
@@benmrgamw681plants are also the most toxic and carcinogenic. Grass fed beef, however, if the most anti inflammatory food on the planet.
@@benmrgamw681Soy is one of the best vegan sources of protein you can get, soy contains high levels of all 9 essential amino acids making it a COMPLETE PROTEIN. Stop spouting your nonsense 🤫
@@lorraineraven3836 soy as well as all legumes and many of your foods contain high levels of anti nutrients which block full absorption of protein, zinc, iron, calcium etc🤦 literally all of you half decent proteins can't be fully absorbed like animal protein😁
Thought this was going to be dreadful when he started off saying he watched tristan tate but he seems like a pretty nice guy
I used to think that sh*t was true, until I built more muscle than I ever had whilst fully plant based.
Joey do Vegans need to supplement to have optimal health?
Yes. They do. So what?
@@KrwiomoczBogurodzicy so then its not sustainable. Even long term vegans who switch back to high quality, no processed/junk, animal foods feel way better.
A wholefood animal based diet gives you everything.
Being a vegan activist is damn near terrorism. Yall will kill and disrupt the lives of people just cause they choose to eat animals.
Yall think yall goin to Heaven tryna get people to go vegan? Yall only create hate and chaos.
Animals behaviour actually changes when they are surrounded by elegant, aware humans who can communicate with them (in regards to the dogs attacking a fox)
joey putting words in this lads mouth at 6 mins 13
Looking good with your shirt off is a terrible reason to abuse and slaughter innocent animals.
Unless I know the bulked up person is vegan, the look is grotesque. We gotta keep it in context of whether they acquired the protein in a decent way.
Thanks for this convo. This man is not as bad as Tristan Tate. 🤮🤮
Really
I kinda like this guy, he grew on me
5000 calories. Marines eat about that when they're doing their arctic training in ~-30C
He might be taking that amount on, but he doesn;t need it
i think you should look at tribe at noir for vegan food and how protein works. getting 200g of protein wasd already the first mistake. ppl read that ur supposedf to eat a graM OF protein per pound of lean muscle mass. that means ur weight subtracted by ur body fat percent which typically ppl underestimate by 3-5% even 7 if ur not informed in body fat etc. he needs way less protein, amino acid goals easy to hit, high carb from fruit is gonn have him looking pumped 24/7 and decreased heal;th risks all around. on top of recovery being shot up. our musclesd are 60% plus water and rthe rest is protein and fat. structure wise fruits the best/
But will the fellow FEEL as masculine and virile if he's not tossing back slabs of cow flesh?
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That’s wild he said that. That is not something to be proud of. Yeah we been murdering for thousands of years. So let’s not stop?? I hope change comes soon.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 if something bleeds and feels pain right before death. Then yes it is. Doesn’t matter how you value the one who is dying. Last time I checked humans and animals both bleed. They not aliens bleeding some green substance.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 animals reproduce like us, want happiness like us and want a decent life like us. Only thing they do not do is get into trivial conversations deciding the fate of individuals like we are now. Being human does not mean we are the only beings on Earth entitled to a good life. This earth is big enough for us all, humans just need to learn to share is all.
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@@happycarnivore5481🤯best argument of 2024
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Great conversation Joey, keep it up.
Joey you are a hero💪
"The robber who breaketh into the house made by man is guilty, but they who break into the house made by God, even of the least of these are the greater sinners. Wherefore I say unto all who desire to be my disciples, keep your hands from bloodshed and let no flesh meat enter your mouths, for God is just and bountiful, who ordaineth that man shall live by the fruits and seeds of the earth alone."
Your body is your house. You literally rob when you steal the flesh from another living sentient being.
Ditto. ❤ Could you please tell me where exactly I find this verse?
Joey, you're gorgeous and I'm so attracted to you and what you do, your persistancy is amazing, admirable
If you want easy calories, you can't do better than oil. That's literally and exactly why milk itself is easy calories; the high fat content! So just use more oil in your cooking and you accomplish the same thing. Do it with flaxseed oil, and you're even getting a ton of omega-3s on top of it.
He should watch The Game Changers
I'd not dare to say that you can be grossly massive on 100% plant foods. If it's like this guy sure. Put in the work (out), don't starve yourself with an apples and oranges diet, rest and sleep enough, done.
Unless you're looking to be a competitive professional bodybuilder its a bit pathetic really. Lots of people walking around trying to be big for no reason other than insecurity, whilst billions are starving.
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I mean to be fair, for some it's genuinely just a fun hobby. It has a very similar appeal like settlement building sim such as anno etc.
@@lolzerd3745 Nah, its mostly insecure guys who are scared that other men see them as inferior or hoping that muscles will be some kind of compensation for other lacking qualities in the pursuit of attracting women. Its purely done for appearances sake.
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That's wrong imo. The similarities between games like anno and muscle building seem so obvious. You manage your calories, macro and micro nutrients (resources) in order to build your body (city). On your journey you find new recipes and food sources (unlock new resources buildings etc.). Moreover there are other kinds of benefits, assuming you don't engage in supplement misuse you will see some health gains and you will also get better in other sports you engage in.
Of course for most people looks also play a role, they like that other people find them more attractive but a) there's nothing really wrong with that in itself and b) reducing it to just that seems like a hard cope but that's just the feeling I'm getting.
I'd say it depends. Wanting to be muscular can be fun. Wanting to look like a freak and lose speed, not being able to run long times or distances, etc that screams insecurity.
Free range farming is a great way to not have to compromise on our natural omnivore diet. Our bodies evolved on a mostly meat diet and is what is required to maintain proper brain and body health. It doesn't make any logical sense to alter our diets based on an emotional response of how you don't like unethical farming practices which are much easier to fix then to convince the whole world to go vegan.
Free range can only handle about 10% of the animals a factory farm has... so you willing to pay the 90% difference? There also wouldn't be enough for everyone so the only solution is to stop.
It doesn't make logical sense to use more land and resources to make even less meat available to the public. So vegan is the way. Plus animals don't deserve to die for our taste pleasure.
This is not what anthropologists today say, when i was in school sure, but now they find the diets were mostly starches with fruit and occasionally meat.
@@11235Aodh that's simply not true. There are no cave paintings of bananas and potatoes. We were hunter-gatherers on a mostly meat diet. Our brains require a a lot of energy that can't be supplied by fruits and starches. Even on a fruit and starch diet today with all the availability in a supermarket vegans suffer from malnutrition. Humans would have went extinct a long time.
@@Vegan32 did you know there were about 60 million bison roaming the Great Plains, and only about 30 million cattle here in the United States today? Are vegans saying bison were using up all of the land? You really need to think about what you're saying before you put it in writing.
Oh my god, a Tate fan. All women avoid this bloke at all costs.
They're not your gains, bro
Something we should do better in our arguments is not necessary tackling the “humane” slaughter myth but bringing forth the estimated 25 percent of animals who don’t even make it to the slaughterhouse because they die a horrible death full of suffering, most of them are chickens. These deaths are from disease, their large bodies, etc. Some are pigs who are thumped to death because they don’t grow quick enough. Just awful.
One thing I know for sure is that he 100% does not eat 5000 calories per day. He may have done it once or twice but no way he consistently eats that many calories per day. He's lying or he's messing up the math. 5000 calories are like Sam Sulek numbers and I bet he's not hitting that all the time.
I'm sure there are some vegan ppl out there who start fangirling when they see Joey on the street. I'm not saying I wanna see how the worship Joey, I evan think it can make Joey a bit uncomfortable, but sometimes it would be nice seeing peole who recognise Joey and say something nice, or share a little story.
Joey you da bomb
Awesome video Joey, steak is gross I don’t eat that. ❤
The guest just reminded me of what they do to the poor foxes 😢💔😭
So he doesnt feel his body, is what hes saying by "I've been told i need protein",
HEAR PLEASE
The meat isn’t working that well for this young chap, seems like a good person though
The meat don't work
It just makes you worse
You shouldn't eat things with faces. -Richard ashcroft.
What about veganic farming instead of poisoning animals for vegan food
he is brainwashed...🤔 and if he knew what it's doing to his body...
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If you think about it - “humane” organic meat is not even worth it. You will only lose time, energy and money:
FIRST - you have to invest MORE TIME to do your groceries. Imagine: you do all your groceries in one supermarket and then you have to drive to this one shop just for the meat. It may be far away. Then you have to go back.
SECOND - you have to invest EVEN MORE TIME to do your research. Do you even know where they sell this kind of “humane” organic meat? Do you know the address of the shop? If not you need to spend some time to find out.
What is more - you have to check both - how these animals are treated on the farm and how they are killed. How are you going to do this? First, you need to track both: farm and slaughterhouse addresses. Probably go to the shop and ask them about the farm address. Then, you need to drive to the farm. You need to ask which slaughterhouse they send the animals to. You have to drive there. You have to talk to the people who work on the farm and slaughterhouse and see the entire process on your own. From the beginning to the end - including impregnation, life on farm, transport to the slaughterhouse, killing process etc. Only this way you will be sure there is no abuse, violence and suffering.
When we talk about morality (“humane” meat is a matter of morality) you must be sure. You can’t guess or assume. It’s your responsibility to make an effort to check EVERYTHING when you choose this option (especially when there is a vegan option). It’s a matter of animals’ life.
THIRD - you will spend more money. Don’t you think this meat is more expensive? On top of that you also have to add the fuel price to drive to the shop and go back.
Since this “humane” organic meat is more expensive you either eat less meat and spend the same amount of money as before or eat the same amount of meat but spend more money.
IF YOU EAT LESS MEAT you need to start tracking your meals (via cronometer.com or similar app) and planning how to provide enough kcal (what is more: if you don’t have basic knowledge about nutrition you need to educate yourself at least a little) - that’s even more time you need to invest. If you don’t do this you will not consume enough calories, you will be tired all the time and cause deficiencies.
But even if you eat less meat to spend the same amount of money you will end up spending more money overall. Sure, you will spend the same amount of money on meat (because you eat less of it) but precisely because you eat less meat you need to eat more other additional food to provide enough calories (remember this additional food also costs money).
FOURTH - you need to invest A LOT OF ENERGY to do your research, educate yourself, go to the farm, go to the slaughterhouse, talk to the employees, find the shop, go to the shop, go back from the shop. You need to plan when you go to the shop. If you eat less meat and as a consequence provide not enough calories and nutrition you will have less energy and be tired all the time.
TO SUM UP - you will spend more time, money and energy on “humane” organic meat. And what does “humane slaughter” even mean? Can you humanely kill someone who doesn’t want to die? Going vegan is cheaper and easier. In both cases you need to invest some time to educate yourself but at least no animals are killed in the process.
I believe in you, because you are a good person. Go vegan! One love.
A convicted criminal going on about having morals.
Yeah, and your $hit doesn’t stink?
Loser.
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5000 calories a day seems more fitting for a superhigh carb diet. Carbstrong.