Who Cares About Legions Imperialis?
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The Legions Imperialis bases aren't 40mm, they're on 25mm bases.
As for the little nubs between the models' feets, I don't like them, but hoping they'll be easy enough to trim off.
It’s true
I think the bases being flatter in LI makes people real confused about what the scale actually is
By the way i just epic.
Bro should get his facts straight before ragging on something...
@@uh1066hastingsI didn’t get the feeling that that was his only issue with the game.
Including the Auxilia is a winning move. But it pains me that scaling down Edgar Somorowski's incredible sculpts removes almost all of the detail
Wait, what did edgar sculpt? Is he working at forgeworld?
@@trovarion He created the Solar Auxilia range as a side project while working at GW and they decided to add it to HH. But he left GW in 2015 to work on new things.
@@AeromatterYT ah ok, i am not up to date. Thanks for the update!
I didn't see the poll, but I am HYPED for legions imperialis!
I've always loved the scale of Titanicus, and Titanicus was by far the best actual game that Games Workshop have put out in years. It felt like it was designed from the start to be enjoyable and fun to play first, and to sell miniatures second, unlike basically all of the other main-line GW games. The main part that really excites me, is being able to own armies and models at a fraction of the cost that it'd cost me for the normal heroic scale size minis, and when you get a good game of titanicus on board with all the terrain, the scale really makes the battle feel... epic. A problem I've always had with 40k is the scale is all wrong; The amount of troops and tanks involved at the relative distances always felt more like small skirmishes rather than the all-out epic battles of the stories and lore, but Titanicus and soon Legions will give me that; battles of armies of reasonable numbers across a sprawling sector of city or barren wasteland, slugging it out, with the god-engines present, able to wipe out entire cityblocks in a blink of an eye!
I suppose it isn't totally surprising though, because I've always enjoyed the specialist games more than the mainline series in terms of game-play, despite having much more 40k than anything else. Kill team, Necromunda, Blood Bowl, Titanicus, all games I much prefer to the main ones!
It sold out almost everywhere I checked so people are very excited for it.
Ive been struggling for weeks trying to pick up minis, the websitr keeps runnjng out hours after they restock
@@unpotatoedsalmon best place to look is finding it in stock in random, small, Local Game Stores (LGS) that happen to not be well known so have it in stock. Luckily, I know of a few shops that have some of it in stock, whether its single boxes of individual units, or the big release box, and they're all small LGSs. That, and they tend to be cheaper than GWs prices!
I bought from a Wayland Games originally on preorder 2 weeks before, but on release day, they turned around and said "Oops, we don't have it in stock, you'll have to wait for an unknown time" so I refunded, and found it down at my LGS for almost the same price!
I'd be interested to see how other games do in a poll with a "who cares?" option in it. I suspect that option would do rather well for all games other than 40k...
Legions Imperialis seems to share quite a lot of DNA with the 1991 edition of Space Marine, stuff like the orders is taken right from that edition of Epic, for instance. I really enjoyed Epic back in the day, being able to have a large army containing both tiny and huge models is quite appealing.
I think a "who cares?" option might do well even for 40k. Not everyone who wargames is into 40k.
I would be curious to see that quiz for The Old World. I don't know if I'm in the same boat as the rest of the community, but Games Workshop has basically eroded all my hype for The Old World.
@@TheLordofMetroids I am glad that boomers get a new rule book to play with their old fantasy armies, but I am not paying GW prices for ancient models because they aren't invested in the game, so neither am I.
@@JanitorScruffyyeah. Honestly if they revealed everything at once i might be into it, but for like a year they have been like "heres a 20 year old mini, we stopped making because they sold worse than paint. You didn't buy it before, but hopefully you'll buy it now."
It got really old, really fast.
@@TheLordofMetroids yeah GW seems to think that the only way to make money is to drip feed with everything hoping you will buy it as it comes out in the hopes that what you really want might be coming down the line.
It's a weird decision and quite the commercial gamble. In other words something you try when you have wiggle room in your production line - not when your manufacturing capacity is completely maxed out by more popular IPs and you're entering a holiday season.
Legion imperialis actually looks sweet…ALSO, did anyone see that MANTIC is doing full scale epic via a kickstarter
Link?
@@Lewismarty1it will be released early 2024
Whoop whoop yea I did!!!!
I saw that but I prefer skirmish games and I'm already happy with Deadzone.
Yep. I'll be backing... Hope they support Veer-myn
I am pretty sure LI is marine vs marines is because that is how Epic started out with the original Space Marine. I am sure if this is successful we’ll see a Codex Titanicus expansion.
I totally agree! I only play xenos for 25 years in 40k and so there is no faction for me in legion imperialis. Epic was really nice because of those dimensions where eldar jetbikes zoomed 36" over the board which was representing increadible speed. If there was a new 40k epic with eldar or tyranids I would be totally hyped!
I suspect that releasing a full epic scale game for 40k with the level of support for all of the factions that would expected by the community would strain even GW's resources. Maybe if Legions Imperialis does well GW will start to release others factions in the same scale, but doing it all at once would be challenging and I can imagine the community backlash if several popular factions were missing at launch would harm the game's reputation. At least with 30k nobody's surprised if only marines are supported - getting the Solar Auxilia in the box too is almost a pleasant surprise.
Honestly just play the Epic Armageddon fan-ported rules, it is still fun.
the ridiculous amount of space marine content and players in normal tabletop is already annoying enough. whey would I want to play a setting that is basically all space marines?
@@anotherzingbo as long as no one is buying it with the expectation that they even might start doing xenos. All signs indicate it will be limited to 30k only.
Actually, they DID reveal new Epic Tyranids. But that video was quickly taken down.
See I don't care about it because it's HH, not Epic 40k, I'm sure many others would agree, if it were Epic 40k it'd sell
My biggest let down is that the game is about the Horusy Heresy. I’m a craftworld player and like many of us I came back into the hobby during lockdows. I always wanted to get some Aeronatica Imperials eldar models, but it was never a priority compared to building my 40k army, and now I can’t get them anymore.
Yeah thats the biggest issue.
Like the lore describes the Tyrnids bloting out the sky with bodies. I would love to see the Hive Fleet in all its glory, But for some reason Games Worship sided to not have the Nids here.
The marine fatigue is real. I'd have liked a real mini waaaagh without having to buy a bungalow to store the models
@@aaron1037 I actually met people that completely switched to 30k because they didn’t want to play with or against anything that wasn’t a spacemarine. Guess is time to 3D print some eldar space-ship then.
@@Astronometric meanwhile for me I just don't like seeing more than half the armies I play against being blue or green Space Marines.
Like I get it You want to play The cool Space Marines, but at least pick something that isn't the main characters.
Part of why I like AOS a lot more now. I've never played against the same general list twice in a row.
@@TheLordofMetroids I think people fail to realize that 30k is the safest option. Having this game being 40k to start with would be a MASSIVE risk, this is them testing the waters to see if the market for epic is even there. IMO honestly people who shit on it for being 30k are fools. If they ever want a new 40k epic game, this needs to sell well enough. And by no means did they ever say they won't expand into other armies, in fact quite the opposite. With possibly Custodes, Daemons, and Mechanics coming out later. So if you like marines are Auxillia, maybe just buy a model or two to see how you like painting at that scale. It will support the game, and eventually we might see it brought into 40k
The concept of epic and hearing the potential “re-release” of it is what brought me back into the hobby HARD after playing plastic grey-necrons through high school. Im incredibly hyped for the release but also Pretty Bummed it doesnt have any xenos armies yet, but I’m holding out hope! Im worried about the local scene however, considering I bought into underworlds without any games happening nearby, so that was a bummer.
It's a HH game, don't hold your breath for xenos. In fact, I'd cross my fingers that this got actual support from GW, unlike HH did.
Horus Heresy 2.0 just came out. I would be interested in this IF it was a 40k game.
I'm bored of 30k
Two things holding me back with LI. Incredibly expensive, and placed in 30k. When you look at what it costs to field a tabletop game (that's actually an epic army on both sides) it's a punch in the gut. 30k? Come on GW. People love 40k. Stop with the HH marine on marine orgy. I collected just about all of the Epic stuff from the 90's. It was easy. An affordable small box came with a full infantry detachment. A blister pack of tanks came with a full squad for about $6. The army boxes came with terrain, titans, tanks, and infantry that truly came in epic numbers.
30k is where it started and where it belongs. I wouldn’t play 40k epic.
The Shaltari from Dropzone Commander have to be one of the most creative sci-fi aesthetics I've seen. So damn cool. Would love to see you paint some. Come on, Jay, you know you want to make an army for yet another game... :P
Well, I like the idea that they are bringing back smaller scale minis to play huge battles with, I'm with everyone else on not wanting to just have loyalist vs traitors.
Fictional wargames (not counting Star Wars), really seem to live or die based on the quality and variety of factions to chose from. That's probably the reason why both the Starship Troopers and Aliens games didn't really go anywhere, limited factions. Most games try to ship with at least 5-6 different factions, each with stuff that makes them different from the others.
My complete disinterest in 30k extends to legions imperialis. It definitely would be completely different if it was 40k epic.
I think people fail to realize that 30k is the safest option. Having this game being 40k to start with would be a MASSIVE risk, this is them testing the waters to see if the market for epic is even there. IMO honestly people who shit on it for being 30k are fools. If they ever want a new 40k epic game, this needs to sell well enough. And by no means did they ever say they won't expand into other armies, in fact quite the opposite. With possibly Custodes, Daemons, and Mechanics coming out later. So if you like marines are Auxillia, maybe just buy a model or two to see how you like painting at that scale. It will support the game, and eventually we might see it brought into 40k
Honestly just play the Epic Armageddon fan-ported rules, it is still fun.
yeah I have no interest in Horus Heresy stuff. Normal tabletop is already mostly space marines. why have a setting thats basically all space marines? lets make it extra boring!
@@ZectifinI think the appeal for me is the ability to incorporate larger armies and play out larger campaigns.
This. Marines vs marines is the most boring type of game imaginable for me.
Until I can field a Epic scale Manta and deploy ALL the troops, suits and tanks they are supposedly carries, I am not interested in the Legions Imperialis.we are making things super tiny already, I don't want to squint just to read tiny dot of the colour on the mini, just to figure out if that is mine or my opponent's. I want shapes, themes of other races.
Not really excited for this, and the price point to have an army plus painting and assembling the smaller models would be a pain unless you plan to dip everything in washes/oils.
Imagine trying to airbrush a guardsman that small.
Or even worse, a grott.
I mean, small models paint fast. I can paint 3 stands of infantry to a decent standard in less time than it takes to paint even a single 32mm space marine
Looks cool, but I'm in no rush to go out and buy it. Also not enough shelf space for another army, doesn't matter how small it is.
Starting a newsletter? That's really old-school. I like it.
I might get some Legions Imperallis minis if they add the Mechanacum, but right now it just doesn't appeal to me.
I love these videos but I need more visual references like when you do a review for upcoming releases
would be nice, yeah
Very much so
some of us are looking forward to imperialis
X-Wing 1.0 really was something special, everything around the wave 9/10 era was just so goddamn good
I even loved x-wing 2nd edition when it first dropped. They had some struggles with trying to get the game to continue at that point when we all had what we needed on launch, but the game was super solid.
Then AMG got ahold of it and murdered it.
I won't take it because I really don't care about the heresy or marines in general...
they should have made this for 40k with xenos ngl
I think people fail to realize that 30k is the safest option. Having this game being 40k to start with would be a MASSIVE risk, this is them testing the waters to see if the market for epic is even there. IMO honestly people who shit on it for being 30k are fools. If they ever want a new 40k epic game, this needs to sell well enough. And by no means did they ever say they won't expand into other armies, in fact quite the opposite. With possibly Custodes, Daemons, and Mechanics coming out later. So if you like marines are Auxillia, maybe just buy a model or two to see how you like painting at that scale. It will support the game, and eventually we might see it brought into 40k
@@Naco-ic9qz I mean, how would that be a risk?
Just make 3-4 units per army... you don't need every single model in the 40k range.
Also, aeronautica imperialis already has many xeno flyers so you don't need ti resculpt those.
Not every faction would have a titanic unit tho, like necron or aeldari... but that's fixable with time
Having only 4 units per faction would absolutely suck ass on release. When they release armies, they should have a good range@@vittoriodicredico5985
Old epic models luckily weren't multipart models designed to get prices high and building results shitty
I'm so excited for LI. I just want to play out proper warhammer scale battles.
I just want to make and paint some giant tiny stompy robots. Without paying over £1,500 for just one warlord. So for me, I will be enjoying a few small big bois.
Tiny titans exist for years. Even new plastic kits from Adeptus Titanicus have already became old. And Battletech of course... Hundreds of 'big stompy robots'.
@@Haroith Battletech mechs look like shit lol
The problems with Epic 30k are a few fold, People who like the setting (Meeeeee) already have one or (Me again) numerous 30k armies in normal scale, they aren't ready to have another one of their games be abandoned in a few years. The people who like epic already have an epic army, either a classic army or they have 3d printed an army because GW abandoned the game they liked once before and have been playing with home brew already. The people who would be interested in epic but haven't touched it want xenos and chaos stuff in epic so 30k is no dice for them.
The rules sound fun and I think people will be interested in the rule books, and I personally like that it has plastic titans (I am not spending 4 truck payments on a Reaver for 30k), but I don't like beakie marines that much so I would be 3d printing my own marines instead of buying this box.
How do you know that it's going to be expensive? I've not seen anything regarding the cost of the box or minis.
I’m really excited for Legions Imperials myself because I just love seeing the tiny Titian’s and Dreadnoughts and be able to field an entire army in just one box. I can see how anyone who isn’t interested in space marines would be bummed out about it being 30k. I’m a Tau player myself but I can appreciate some space marines. Yes I would love some epic scale Tau but I can settle with the tiny space marines instead because they still look cool to me.
Li has been what I've been looking forward to for months now
That judge: *Chaos in the court*
Its a bit of a niche in a niche, dont see it selling like horus heresy or 40k, plus personally there is a ton of stls online that cover 30k, 40k hell even fantasy and at that scale detail doesnt really matter and it uses like zero resin
Warmaster is absolutely gorgeous now! Thanks for 3d-printers!
Like the idea but nah....might use the models for Resin Table diarama with valleys represented by the wood.....or in some Xmas tree decorations
The way this ep was shot the lights were reflecting just above your head. It looked like a fae or druid crown and I loved it.
Really hyped for it. I’m a 1 system guy usually middle earth but this is really pulling me in. Really looking forward to it and the models look fantastic
"[....] seeing the same exact models small, it doesn't do much for me."
- Jay/ Eob/ miniature painter....
Am I the only one who sees the irony...?
Yea, you are, cause the point of mini painting doesn't mean mini of a mini
Being 30k is a huge turn off for me. I'm worried that it's gonna sell so poorly they won't even bother trying a proper 40k Epic version. If they'd started with 40k I reckon people would be a lot more hyped. I don't think I've come across a single person saying they're hyped for this.
30k sucks.
@@skazkatzroy3444 I mean, that's just your opinion
I'm actually really excited for LI.
Fielding huge armies always makes my brain tingle so an easier way to do that appeals to me
"Teeny weeny space mariney? Commissar! You’re up!”
I’d be more interested if it were 40K. I play Tau, they don’t exist in 30k and there isn’t anything else I’m interested to play in that setting.
The game is 70% the old ‘space marine’ game from the 80s. Which is a good thing! Lots of people already have the titans and the aircraft, so adding infantry and tanks isn’t overwhelming. What really makes the game is the terrain. Ive bought into this big time. It’s true combined arms. If it does well (it’s mostly sold out on the GW website currently), I’m sure they will expand it to 40k races. And by the way, the bases for the infantry are only 25mm, not 40mm.
"Teeny Weeny Space Mariney"? I just spat my coffee all over my desk and laughed out loud, genius!
Where did you get the idea that any of the infantry is gonna be 40mm??
I was ready for this when it was due out this year, it being pushed back has chilled me out a bit. I like that I can integrate my Adeptus Titanicus models straight in though. With the starter box set & my adeptus titanicus I should have a formidable force !
i honestly dont think it will last for a few reason, 1 its only HH which limits who will be interested in it, and 2/3 is its pric (prices i think hurt both arinautica and the titian game) and its going to be competing again classic epic which has a vary large 3rd party and 3d printing scene that produces models for much cheaper. also the rules just look like updated epic rules so not that much difrent then old epic or net epic. basicly i think thay are trying to get into a corner of the hobby that was already saturated and has huge options other then GW which will hurt them long term on such a nitch game.
The flesh eater courts are something I’m waiting for WHEN, not if, but WHEN they revamp the faction
A question , what does Imperialis mean for Titanicus ? is this now dead ?
I’m interested in legion imperialis but I’m really wanting to wait for the Mechanicum so I can run a forge world force. Or atleast ally them in to a legion
Also as a Knights player I’m fine with the giant model of the Warlord being at knight scale because that means I can actually reasonably afford and play one now in a Titan legion
You are just wrong about the infantry, but thats okay. the hwole point is that it is a massive scale battle, and infrantry is a big part of that battle.
OK that's it dude, that's too good - this game is officially known as Teeny-Weeny-Space-Mariney from now on XD
I was a little iffy myself on Legions Imperialis but after watching the Battle Report WH+ posted with actual gameplay on a 3x3 board, the game looks really fun! Definitely picking up a couple starter sets
As a wargamer Im looking forward to playing large story driven games with Legion Imperialis. Ive played several really good games in mirco armor and with the scale allows such a massive scope of battlefields.
Am I crazy or did the last video get deleted?
Привет, Джей! Наверное было бы интереснее: 1) подставки были на один отряд - со съёмными миниатюрами (на магнитах); 2) размеры отрядов ограничены правилами (чем мощнее юнит - тем их меньше по количеству на подставке); 3) сделать сапёров (в жетонах с цифрами вклеить магниты - наступил - подбросило - значит подорвался на мине); 4) имеют значение стены, зенитки, укрепления, противотанковые рвы и т.п.; 5) для крупных юнитов (титанов и рыцарей) оборудовать места для пехоты прямо на броне, то есть рыцарь или титан выполняют роль осадной башни. Успехов!
I played Zone for years! The current iteration of the rules are a mess, sadly. But V1.1 and the Beta of 2nd Ed were really good games. Infantry is extremely important in DZC. Your dropships were carrying APCs full of troops, your light dropships were rapid troop deployment. You, depending on faction, probably fielded 4 squads on average. A typical squad is 10 dudes, so 40 soldiers on average along with your armor support.
I was really excited for Legions, but in typical GW fashion they’ll probably price me out of interest.
Agree, I do not like the second edition at all. But! Dropzone is the perfect tactical level game for Dropfleet. Only when playing both of them in the linked system you can feel planetary invasion.
Legions Imperialis is the first GW game I’ve actually been excited about in …. A long time. Since Necromunda let me down, I haven’t cared about anything GW really. But this, I am excited about. I do wish it was Epic 40k, but I’ll take what I can get
"No Juice" is a perfect way to describe it.
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It should be like a tabletop version of something like halo wars. Would be much more interesting
Meanwhile, one of our local stores has people preordering LI at about the same amount as 10th edition and I'm all aboard. I already love Titanicus, have a bunch of aeronatucia models, and already have an entire epic sisters army I plan to proxy in.
Super excited for the return of Epic. And dont be stressed about it being 30k. If the game is successful I can see them bringing in Chaos, Xenos and a more modern day take. This is exactly what they did with the original release.
I'm super interested in Legions Imperialis, honestly
When you try to sleep at 5am, but bro releases another vid
I do look forward to the 3d prints that will come out with this. This scale could make some sweet mjni dioramas
I for one am really excited for old world as is basically my entire FLGS
It so smoll. It so cute, Neeed.
I do, Jay, I do.
Hey Jay, you know what'd bump up the numbers for the year? The '223' individual models of Legions Imperialwhogivesafug?
Dropzone Commander does have the Behemoths which are huge resin models (compared to the infantry/vehicles). Biggest difference between Dropzone and Legions is price - £45 vs £120 for the starter set and even the Behemoths are only (!) £95 - plus monorails.
"My space marines are gonna shoot at your space marines!" and yet he still just loses to Shawn every time ;_;
The main problem with old world is bringing back a rule that no one liked, dice charges
Petition to rename this “Tiny winey space marine-y”
Another amazing video, but what we all really want to know is if the baneblade is painted?!?!?
There is those who are excited for Legions and those who are wrong.
I fucking died at 'teeny weeny space mariney' thank you
I care about Star wars legion, coffee and supporting this channel.
Jay : *finishes the titan*
Gimli : "IT STILL ONLY COUNTS AS ONE"
My local Warhammer store got the box in today for some demo games tomorrow, after seeing all the teeny tiny tanks I might be interested 😊
I’m actually really excited for this. My dad, rip, collected model trains. While he mainly collected O scale he had a bunch of N scale. The N scale ones were my favorite. I’m exited that there will be a tiny line now for GW. The gameplay also looks really fun.
Are these the right scale to use a model train set as a battlefield?
If so, that's actually really cool.
I'm pretty hype about it. It's the only way I'd like to play the horus heresy era. The scale just makes more sense considering how huge the legions were. Im a xenos player in 40k so it's pretty cool getting to play the legions.
The only fathomable way I get into Legions Imperialis is if they do the entire 30k line teeny tiny and cheap. Really, I just want a thumb-sized Daemon Fulgrim.
I will proparbly buy some Titans or Tanks as Display pieces
Same, I have zero desire to play the game but cute little Baneblade is calling to me.
Heck with how big Baneblades normally are, you can probably find a way to run it in 40k, like a heavy weapons team or something.
Battlefleet remake when GW. My favorite game they stopped supporting.
My main friend I play 40k with is Tyranids only, if it was 40k setting we would totally play. Alas, the Horus Heresy timeline is not for us
I must have missed the poll because I'm well up for it! 😁
I'm all in. It's 96 all over again. It's not really influenced by X-Wing. It's actually really close to the original games.
I admit, I may get a box or two, just to put on my flyer bases for scenery.
I disagree, but I feel like your points are definitely things that a lot of other people will agree with. I love the look and 30k is exciting to me. I get to mess about with stuff from the books I love. I can field much more stuff, much more quickly and have exciting interactions with vehicles that usually don't fit into my army in the numbers I'd like. I'm excited to get the models and have a go.
I care about legions imperialis and been waiting for this for ages! Im buying the core box and the mega terrain box to start off with!
JAY! Get Dropzone AND Dropfleet Commander! They have made the system that GW refused to complete: full scale planetary invasion! They are the greatest and the awesomest games in the history!
Yeah Jay, come on and give in to the call of chaos, brother of the word 😂😊
Speed paint your Konflikt ‘47 stuff in the style of Command and Conquer: Red Alert 2, that’ll get your numbers up. Plus it would be an awesome way to play a “historical wargame” in a non historical way that would really sync with your audience. Who else here loves Red Alert 2?
Not interested in minitures so small, some of the current minatures 28.32mm are a nightmare to build/paint because of smallness so no way am I interested in something so small.
I like it, I'm excited for it
Can I fight Xenos/as Xenos?
No?
I’ll pass them, thanks.
My favorite thing about EOB videos is how Jay figures out to shove the Patreon plug in XD it makes me giggle every time
I just slowed down the intro to .25x and finally figured out it is Orkade Wash that he’s throwing in those imperial fists, Lol.