Was just doing the research to do this myself and came across your channel. Absolutely awesome stuff man! I'm following your procedure to make a bit of tetrazene at the moment for a primer project im doing. I will definitely try to send some subscribers your way
Also a word of advice on the tetrazene synthesis. I’d recommend checking ReactiveChem’s video as well since I’ve had some people say that my step by step didn’t work so well for them. Last time I did it I used my procedure from the video and I got nice yields, however I think the vinegar brand and content might be a major factor in that.
Great attempt. Should by posible try Cl2 + NaOH in hot H2O? Should by arised NaCl + NaClO3? Exact preparation is not on entire UA-cam. Maybe it is impossible. Or very uneffective method of preparation NaClO3. Thanks....😎
That’s definitely true. Originally I was planning on doing it with ethylene produced from ethanol and sulfuric but alas I recently purchased an acetylene tank for some other stuff. I work on a pick-your-own farm so sourcing unripe fruit to test should be no problem.
This could technically be feasible using a tube made out of a transparent metal fluoride, such as CaF2. The only issue would be the fact that it would crack easily, and it wouldn't melt like glass, so ampouling it would be extremely difficult and dangerous.
Thats awesome! How much pressure is it at and did you try reaching the critical point with one of these tubes? Wonder if that would work with flourine too?😁
Chlorine gets up to around 7 bar at 20C, but I would test all ampoules in 50C water before ampouling. At that temp pressures around 10-11 bar iirc. Never tried reaching super-criticality with chlorine, though I’ve done that with CO2 (dry ice) in a thicker walled quartz tube. Even considering the high pressures, you would really have to bake a chlorine ampoule for it to go supercritical. Fluorine would work but don’t do that please.
@@DBXLabs Coundnt find a ohase diagaram for fluorine that goes up to normal temperatures. I wonder if it gets liquid at any pressure since it has a very low boiling point...
The internal gas pressure is limited by the vapor pressure of the gas (in this case chlorine). The vapor pressure is the pressure at which a gas will condense to a liquid of exceeded. Rising temperatures will increase this vapor pressure, allowing higher pressures to exist in the ampoule, but once enough liquid has evaporated to create an internal pressure equal to the vapor pressure, the system reaches a pressure equilibrium. The reason why the ampoule doesn’t explode at the room temperature vapor pressure of chlorine (about 7 atmospheres) is because the glass does a decent job handling this pressure without shattering.
I bought a ton of silicone ~1inch deep molds on Amazon with varying widths and lengths. My borosilicate ampoules are about 0.5 in wide so they need the extra quarter inch on either side for acrylic resin reinforcement.
The ampoules I make are from 13mm by 100mm borosilicate test tubes which have a wall thickness of about 1.5 mm. I’ve found that on average these can withstand liquid chlorine at 60 degrees Celsius before bursting which equates to a chlorine vapor pressure of ~15 atmospheres. Pretty good for borosilicate. At room temp, the vapor pressure for chlorine is around 6 atmospheres which places it nicely in the pressure domain of the ampoules.
Really depends on the bottle. The ampoules can take a good 15 atmospheres of pressure before bursting which placed the vapor pressure of chlorine (~7 atm) right in its domain. If your bottle has thick enough walls and an adequate seal, it could probably work, however, the only way I would store any liquid chlorine in such a high pressure would be in an outer encasing of resin. Too risky otherwise.
Vicen Banus I use silicone rectangular molds that are sold for resin use. I also grease the inside of them beforehand with petroleum jelly so it doesn’t stick to the silicone. To cast the ampoules within the resin. I do two castings, first a short layer which I let harden most of the way, then I place the ampoule into the mostly hard resin, then I cast the rest of the way.
You'd be crazy to do this without a respirator, unless you are using a fume hood or have extremely good reasons to believe the wind won't change direction.
Was just doing the research to do this myself and came across your channel. Absolutely awesome stuff man! I'm following your procedure to make a bit of tetrazene at the moment for a primer project im doing. I will definitely try to send some subscribers your way
Dude
I’ve watched your channel for years
Thanks a ton
Also a word of advice on the tetrazene synthesis. I’d recommend checking ReactiveChem’s video as well since I’ve had some people say that my step by step didn’t work so well for them. Last time I did it I used my procedure from the video and I got nice yields, however I think the vinegar brand and content might be a major factor in that.
@@DBXLabs will do my friend! 👍. I've been getting into a chemistry binge lately 😁
That's gonna make for an exiting water balloon fight.
Awesome video man! And i love the resin block idea for the ampules!
Great attempt. Should by posible try Cl2 + NaOH in hot H2O? Should by arised NaCl + NaClO3? Exact preparation is not on entire UA-cam.
Maybe it is impossible. Or very uneffective method of preparation NaClO3. Thanks....😎
A 1-MCP comparison to Acetylene to Ethylene would be cool, not like saying what to do or whatever, but that would happen to also be cool.
That’s definitely true. Originally I was planning on doing it with ethylene produced from ethanol and sulfuric but alas I recently purchased an acetylene tank for some other stuff.
I work on a pick-your-own farm so sourcing unripe fruit to test should be no problem.
@@DBXLabs Awesome! I look forward to it.
you could probably get away with a calcium chloride/ ice bath or peltier module. still very cool.
This is sweet! Very cool, man! Now Fluorine? Lol
This could technically be feasible using a tube made out of a transparent metal fluoride, such as CaF2. The only issue would be the fact that it would crack easily, and it wouldn't melt like glass, so ampouling it would be extremely difficult and dangerous.
Beautiful demo. Thank you!
Just saying; 3-4 mins is my fave vid length, as a nerdfighter: Short vids are grt too!
Neat !!
Can you do liquid acetylene ? Is it possible ?
The chlorine looks quite yellow on camera. I suppose it is a bit more green. Looks impressive. Well done.
The liquid is quite orange/yellow at both very cold temperatures and room temperature. The gas appears to always look relatively yellow/green
@@DBXLabs - They should rename it to something representing orange / yellow color, lol. Awesome vid!
Now do it with a soda bottle and attach a blasting cap to it
Uhhh... why?
@@DBXLabs Chemical warfare.
Ohh ohh I would like to see you doing Astatine!!
U can react Sodium metal and chlorine gas to make Salt. You add a drop of water to start the reaction.
You can indeed. As a matter of fact, at room temperature water isn’t even required.
Also, incredible video! looks cool as hell
Thats awesome!
How much pressure is it at and did you try reaching the critical point with one of these tubes?
Wonder if that would work with flourine too?😁
Chlorine gets up to around 7 bar at 20C, but I would test all ampoules in 50C water before ampouling. At that temp pressures around 10-11 bar iirc. Never tried reaching super-criticality with chlorine, though I’ve done that with CO2 (dry ice) in a thicker walled quartz tube. Even considering the high pressures, you would really have to bake a chlorine ampoule for it to go supercritical. Fluorine would work but don’t do that please.
@@DBXLabs Coundnt find a ohase diagaram for fluorine that goes up to normal temperatures.
I wonder if it gets liquid at any pressure since it has a very low boiling point...
I have never seen chlorine liquid chlorine in an ampoule.
And now you have
Awesome video 🔥🔥
Do you still have the link to the test tubes you used for this? I want to do this as well but I don't want to buy weak test tubes. Thanks.
I’ve gotten the 100mm long ones
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@@DBXLabs thanks!
Why doesn't the bottle explode due to the gas pressure?
The internal gas pressure is limited by the vapor pressure of the gas (in this case chlorine). The vapor pressure is the pressure at which a gas will condense to a liquid of exceeded. Rising temperatures will increase this vapor pressure, allowing higher pressures to exist in the ampoule, but once enough liquid has evaporated to create an internal pressure equal to the vapor pressure, the system reaches a pressure equilibrium. The reason why the ampoule doesn’t explode at the room temperature vapor pressure of chlorine (about 7 atmospheres) is because the glass does a decent job handling this pressure without shattering.
Hi DBX, where did you have buy the torch you used in this video? (Provide link if online shopping)
Honestly, I have no idea since it was my dads torch but it’s really just a regular propane torch head that you can buy at Home Depot.
Sorry
Hey DBX Labs, I'm back again with another question. What did you use to make your resin mold? Thank you!
I bought a ton of silicone ~1inch deep molds on Amazon with varying widths and lengths. My borosilicate ampoules are about 0.5 in wide so they need the extra quarter inch on either side for acrylic resin reinforcement.
@@DBXLabs Thank you and I agree! I wanna make sure no liquid chlorine or bromine leaks out lol
That is crazy cool
Interesting. Whats the vapor pressure of the chlorine at ~standard temperature like vs how much pressure the ampoule can handle?
The ampoules I make are from 13mm by 100mm borosilicate test tubes which have a wall thickness of about 1.5 mm. I’ve found that on average these can withstand liquid chlorine at 60 degrees Celsius before bursting which equates to a chlorine vapor pressure of ~15 atmospheres. Pretty good for borosilicate.
At room temp, the vapor pressure for chlorine is around 6 atmospheres which places it nicely in the pressure domain of the ampoules.
@@DBXLabs up to 15 atm? That’s pretty impressive considering the ones I use have a ~6 atm limit. I gotta make myself some of those, haha
Can i change the ampoules with small bottle? is there possibility the bottle will bursting?
Really depends on the bottle. The ampoules can take a good 15 atmospheres of pressure before bursting which placed the vapor pressure of chlorine (~7 atm) right in its domain. If your bottle has thick enough walls and an adequate seal, it could probably work, however, the only way I would store any liquid chlorine in such a high pressure would be in an outer encasing of resin. Too risky otherwise.
whats the use of the desiccator?
The reaction of the 31% HCl with TCCA is quite exothermic and can drive a bit of water vapor over along with the chlorine. The desiccator stops this.
Beautiful 😍
How do you resin the ampoules? I tried resin bromine ampoules but i did failed
How did it fail?
@@DBXLabs I get an akward shape. What mold do you use to get this shape?
Vicen Banus I use silicone rectangular molds that are sold for resin use. I also grease the inside of them beforehand with petroleum jelly so it doesn’t stick to the silicone.
To cast the ampoules within the resin. I do two castings, first a short layer which I let harden most of the way, then I place the ampoule into the mostly hard resin, then I cast the rest of the way.
@@DBXLabs thx
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did you were a respirator?
Yes, a full face one.
You'd be crazy to do this without a respirator, unless you are using a fume hood or have extremely good reasons to believe the wind won't change direction.
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