Intro 0:10 | Diplomacy Overview 1:10 | Diplomacy Encounter Round One Rules & Strategy Walkthrough 15:34 | Round Two 30:36 Real-time Diplomacy Encounter: 2-5 minutes solo Tainted Grail Playthrough: ua-cam.com/video/207RDTXGEbY/v-deo.html Hello Rollers! I'm excited to be heading back to Avalon to show you how Diplomatic Encounters work within the Tainted Grail. Remember all components/rules are subject to change. Remember this videos length is cover new players. Those familiar with the game can pick it up from Round 2 onwards. Enjoy! For those curious on the order of operations to check after playing your first diplomacy card (connected with an Attribute Key or not) it goes like this currently (subject to change): #1. Check if any Attribute Keys connect to Bonus Keys. Apply these Bonuses. Remember that in order for them to connect, you need to have the Attribute level specified by the key. #2. If both parts of a Magic Key join, you may connect this Key by paying 1 Magic and gain its Bonus. #3. Connect the Free Key and gain its Bonus. #4. Check the Ability. If it triggers now, resolve it. Then move into playing as many bonus actions as you want/can (icon with brown card and lighting bolt) and they must be connected to an attribute key. Resolve any cards you play in the order above. If the bonus action connects on the bottom only that’s ok. Nothing happens when paired with a x1 or x2. It just serves to connect and set you up for the next bonus action card. Remember you ‘may’ play bonus actions. You’re not forced to. Just have to remember the discard down to three cards. Correction: 26:00 The Bonus Action key on the bottom of the card (Backtrack) could have been played at this point. Just missed this opportunity! 26:33 When the response from the AI triggered and lowered the marker on the Affinity track, it should have gone up instead based on the ability of the Rhetorics card. Then the Rhetorics card would have been removed from the sequence. Great catch by Elias H and Gastel!
At 22:23 when you put Holy Verse, the Affinity is not green. Does that mean you should have go 1 up on the Affinity with the power at the center of the card ?
I've been asked this quite a bit haha It's a great question If you check the description or pinned comment there is an order of operations to follow for 'playing diplomacy cards'. Triggering abilities on played cards comes last in the last to resolve. So in this case, it wouldn't have increased it as it wouldn't have been in the neutral position once the card ability triggered. Hope this helps!
Before I jump in here, thanks for the video. I have been hungry for more Tainted Grail content lately. It seems like some people are a little weary of ALL the changes that have been added to the diplomacy cards and I am in the same boat. I am still excited about the game but I feel like they are trying to hard with this style of card play. I felt like the original set-up, needing to match cards and make a long enough row worked well and quickly. Moving all the icons over to the left side of most cards was a tremendous improvement to reduce the overall length but they just kept going and now there seems to be a lot of tedious rules that one will need to check against while building your row. Adam, as someone who has gotten a chance to actually sit down with the updated rule book, do you feel like these encounters became too fiddly/convoluted or do you feel like these changes will enhance the experience once someone becomes familiar with the rules?
Thanks so much! The biggest thing people are confusing is the length of the video against the time it takes to play. The overview and rules explanations are for brand new players. I found the changes to diplomacy to be an good upgrade. It’s more interesting and I like the way cards go in the sequence now based on the icons being on the left side. Takes up less space and moves quicker. It takes about 2-5 minutes to do a diplomatic encounter solo which is perfect. The rules state the order to follow and there is only four things to check when playing your diplomacy cards. All quickly done when you know them. Hope this helps!
They should probably specify on the player aid that the "Trigger when placed" icon goes after other card effects. Reffering to the first placement of the Holy Verse card.
Hey Elias! I can understand that. Good feedback. Seeing as it is last in the list of things to gain, that would be beneficial on the reference card. It’s in the rulebook for sure. Cheers!
Since posting this I have learned that the final player aid does not match the one shown in the video. This rule about the “trigger” icon is probably more clear on the new cards.
Great video, and tackling a tough and potentially complicated ruleset... Thank you so much for your help with understanding how this game will play out. No pressure, but rest assured I'll be looking to your vids to help guide me through anything I'm struggling with where this particular hand is concerned. Thanx again.
Thanks for the video and presenting the new diplomacy encounter system. Honestly I'm kinda disappointed about the convolution of stuff going on on the cards: way more icons and some cards of a very different graphic style compared to the Celtic ones, very Euro-like text effects dominated by a lot of different symbols, weird decision of de-gamification by including a table on the encounter card. This takes the RPG element of facing an encounter and boils it down to a very euro puzzle solving.
Hey Titus! First off thanks for watching and the feedback. The video included an overview and rules for new players. The pinned comment mentions the timeframe off camera with all that removed. Experienced players can start at the second round timestamp. Thanks for watching!
At 27:05 what is about the effect from the last card? Would you not increase the bar to three instead to two and then discard it? Thanks for your great videos i love them :).
No problem! Thanks for the question. Was this answered in the pinned comment? If not, I may need to look into it. I remember others asking but if I remember correctly it was a timing thing as to why it didn’t. Would need to double check though!
Thx good update on the current state of diplomatic encounters, looking forward to my copy. One question at 23:33 the symbols position left to right doesn`t match 100 % on both cards. Doesn´t look very appealing to me.
I believe your first Holy Verse card would bump you up the affinity track 3 times. First for the card ability which activates immediately when it is played down, second the “wild” symbol and third the x1 connection.
Rolling Solo I was referring to the card played at the beginning which connects to spirituality. 20:30. I believe the card ability is activated before the keys.
Elias Hartmark Ah I see what you’re referring to now. The keys connecting are first not the ability on the card. Once all the keys are resolved than you check the ability and if it triggers (like the Holy Verse) then do so. By then it wouldn’t have been on the neutral position so no extra gain on the Affinity Track in that case. Hope this helps! :)
@@RollingSolo I think you are wrong there, The symbol on the card has the "trigger when placed" icon as shown by your own reference card at 30:20 meaning it should trigger its effect before any other actions are taken?
Great video still quite a bit confused but I am sure this will come in hand when I have the cards in front of me. Would you also be able to do a combat video that would be very useful I think? Thanks
Hey Nick! I’d love to do a Tainted Grail playthrough when it arrives. I won’t want to spoil too much but it would be fun to revisit the final version. No promises but I’m interested for sure! :)
I don't care for the new icons for energy, health, and terror. They don't seem to fit in with the aesthetic of the game and are a bit jarring to the eye.
Hey, nice video (even though it was a bit long for me, but I always want to go too fast ;D) ! I had a question @45:04 : You put elaborate argument which links 3 times : 1 wild caution, 1 wild spirituality and the bottom side wild. You raised only two times the thingy, when it should have been thrice? (because both your caution and spirituality connected). Or do you only chose one link to connect each turn plus the bottom link with the multiplier?
From what I can gather, the topmost wild doesn't activate as it's connected via caution (mouse). The affinity track for this encounter only gets increased for either spirituality (wolf) or empathy (dove) as those are the traits listed next to "Comfort the Widow"
Pingu is correct! Great question though! :) Sorry for the length. I wanted to also cover those that have never heard of the Tainted Grail before. The time stamps allow you to jump past explanations. Hope it helped!
Absolutely correct. I would have! Remember this is a disconnected encounter from a playthrough. I wanted the focus to be on diplomacy. I do mention what would happen in the case of insanity briefly. You draw a card for that and follow its instructions. Hope this helps! :)
Hey Jordan! I’m behind this one for sure. One thing to note is that off camera, a diplomacy encounter can be played in 2-5 minutes solo depending on how familiar with your cards you are. I don’t see downtime being an issue. :)
Thanks a lot for your great video! I have a doubt, the last card that you played does not connect to the sequence, but you still applied the effect. Is this correct? it doesn't seem very intuitive to me.
I refer to the card played at 49:36, "mind trick". You were panicking so you played the first card from the deck. It didn't connect with the previous, but you still applied the effect (rolled the coin, get the grail, and win the encounter!!!). I am wondering if this is correct. Also, since the first card I play does not have to be linked with the previous one, can I always do this? Thanks a lot for all the feedback, you are amazing!
Ah! I know what you mean. You’re allowed to play a card that isn’t linked for your first card. The icon on the card mentions it triggers as the last thing in sequence. I get no key bonuses or the free bonus but I do get to trigger the card. Maybe this will change in the final rules but at the moment, it’s valid!
Rolling Solo Yeah. I just ask because I‘m so excited of this Game. I‘ve a question to the „Backtrack“-card... You mentioned that the bonus at the bottom of all cards only triggers if you connect any other Icon before on your turn. But then you can Never use the bold in the bonus row of the „Backtrack“-card... Maybe it‘s better to wait for the final version, But that is still 6 months more for me to wait because I ordered the german version... Maybe you can explain....
Hey Michael, you can use the bonus in the bottom of the Backtrack card when it's played as a 'Bonus Action' which is what the symbol means. So it must be played as a Bonus Action after you've played your first diplomacy card. I noted in the pinned comment that I missed actually playing this during the bonus action stage around 26:00. I should have! Hope this helps :)
Great work, thanks for taking the time to make this video. There were some points I didn't understand from the demo: In the bonus phase, can you add only cards with the brown bolted sign? Cause I saw that you connected a card with only the green (plus card) bonus symbol in this phase, like in 32:52. At this point you had another card with the green sign in your hand but you said you were unable to connect more since you don't have the brown bolted sign on any of the remaining cards, as with the Holy verse in 33:17. Since it is a big change from the previous demo (freely building your sequence) I would really appreciate any clarification 😊 The other thing is regarding the bottom row. Sometimes the brown bolted sign showed down there - what does it mean? You didn't count this card when you had it in your hand as a playable card and I wonder why is that, like in 26:04? Thanks again!
Hey Yorai! Thanks for watching and good questions. If you could timestamp where these took place to ensure I answer them correctly that would be awesome. Thanks so much! :)
Basically you play one diplomacy card when you start you turn. Doesn't need to be connected (but if you don't you're losing out on bonuses you can collect to help you succeed at the encounter). Then you're allowed to play as many bonus action cards as you like connecting on the brown card with the bolt. Going back to the first card played, if you choose to connect on an attribute key with your first card you need to have one or two red cubes in that attribute on your player board otherwise you cannot connect it. Remember whether connecting a card to an attribute key or a bonus action key, you must have the corresponding amount of that attribute on your player board in red cubes. If the attribute shows two owls, you need two red cubes in the owl attribute to connect. Hope this helps!
Looks interesting and confusing.. I get most of it...but.. all the bonus times up at the bottom of the cards. Sometimes a x1 or an x2 or a up or other symbol.. it was hard to tell why you didn’t always do the times or up stuff.
Hey Johnny! I promise you that it’ll be much clearer in person if there was anything that was tough to decipher here. You have to connect on a valid key which you have an attribute for on your player board if you want to take advantage of the bonuses at the bottom of the card. You are allowed to play a disconnected card at the start of your turn but you lose out on bonuses that way. However, you may need to to set yourself up for a string of good bonus actions. I believe when the terminology gets tweaked it’ll make perfect sense. I promise you, when the game is in front of you it clicks after one encounter!
Adam - as usual excellent presentation and insights to this developing game ...I am a top tier KS orderer and trying to eat up all info possible - and your videos are going a long way to helping me ...I am also very pleased to see the on going refining of the game by the company and to see the improvements as they appear ... Awesome stuff and I am super stoked for this game - I have 18 KS game on the go ATM and this game is the one I am really excited for the most ...I am about to purchase my KS for the Middara reprint / expansion on June 24th which I also see you reviewed etc ...on this occasion I was glad I missed the first print run due to some errata etc but on the downside I have to wait until the reprint is finished - guess you can’t have it all lol... Ric
Would it make sense to make a new row each round, instead of constantly growing the single row's columns? This would prevent the confusion about not having to connect the first card in a round to the last. 111 222 333
That could work, but it would make it harder to see the connection between the cards of previous rounds. Even though the first card played on the round does not need to connect does not mean you don't want the benefits of connecting them.
Thank you for this demonstration! Very informative. A question, please: on the first card - Holy Verse: Don't you need to immediately raise Affinity (cause it is not green, says the command on the card) and then use the Wild symbol (another raise 1) and the X1 bonus (that's the third one): for total of three raises and a victory on first card? A second Q: After you panicked - you played a card that did not give you progress. End of turn. Don't you need to gain ANOTHER panic due to enemy's response? If so, one could not only spend cards from diplomacy deck but also gain wild amounts of Panic, one for each turn. Am I correct? VERY brutal!
Ophir Gonen I thought as well that the first Holy Verse card should have done this. It depends on if the card ability or the keys activate first. I am waiting on a response from Rolling Solo.
Hey Ophir! You’re correct on the first one as I noted in the pinned comment. In terms of the second it simply increases the panic on your player board which for the purposes of the example I didn’t show as it was just an example and the terror was already above my health. You will panic each round going forward unless you can reduce it under your health. Hope this helps!
@@RollingSolo Clarification on panic does help, thanks. As of this moment, though, you haven't noted it on pinned comment, as you referred to a different card there, with a different immediate action. (Talking about "Holy Verse" not "Rhetorics")
Ah, I see you wrote Elias that the immediate action is not all that immediate, and only occur after resolving symbols (opposed to none immediate action which occur.. at the enemy's response or something like that?)
That's correct, its last in the order of operations to check for. Abilities on cards are after Attribute key check, magic key check, free (bonus) key check and then abilities on cards trigger (if they do). Hope this helps!
I think (not more informed than anyone else) that it’s inaccurate to say you will ever play a card that does not connect to the previous one. Every spoiled diplomacy and combat will connect to each other and all encounter cards via the bottom key. The bottom key may be the only one that connects and that is fine. The rules then state that every card after the first one played that turn must have a connecting ‘lightning bolt’ key in order to be played. This may be found on the bottom key on some cards. So panic will never force you to play a card that doesn’t connect (because they all do) but it will force your first card, limiting your follow up options (seems pretty thematic).
Firstly thanks for this insight in the Diplomacy system! Now I'm wondering (maybe I missed something) will there be any kind of flavor text or rather do you know if these dipolmacy encounters are story driven? If we take the Mourners card: "A mourning ritual known as keening is now a common sight in Avalon." in conjunction with "Comfort the Widow." seems a bit random and dull to me. It seems like, I'm just wandering around Avalon on my "epic quest", joining some random people mourning some random dude, comforting the widow...but why? ^^ Is there any story, sense or purpose around those encounters, am I missing something?
Hey Marcus! Think of Encounters as unexpected things you’d encounter. Even in real life, if you go to a city you may have a plan as to how things will unfold but certain things will cross your path you weren’t expecting or prepared for. To me Encounters even if they aren’t directly lined up with the story make the world feel alive. However, saying that there are certain narrative pieces that require you to find a specific encounter card and deal with it. So that angle is covered as well. It can go either way!
The two owl icons are there to ensure you check your player board and have two red cubes in the owl attribute. If you don't, you cannot connect the key. Hope that helps! :)
So I rewatched now and it is intriguing but I still don't get everything. In the second round of the encounter, why didn't you get a bonus for the bottom line (x1 arrow x2)? In the first round you did... 🤔
Hello! I did get the bonus for the x1 arrow connection after the first card played in the second round. The x2 hangs until the next card is placed. The connection is between the cards remember :)
@@RollingSolo Ah so I guess x1 cannot connect to x2. And there are some Icons that do connect (the successes and the draw one more card icon) and some that only connect when they are additional cards (the flashes). Oh my. This is going to take some time. Good thing that I ordered the German version, gonna have some months to watch the videos of the English speaking community... 👍
I promise you it’s much easier up close in person. It clicks in one encounter. Takes 2-5 minutes and gets faster the more familiar you are with your character deck. :)
@@RollingSolo yeah watching some play throughs, doing the tutorial, I guess this will be fun playing. But as so many people backed this, you really have to wonder if this is for everybody cause it really gives a very fiddly first impression... 🤔
I am most confused on the “wild” symbol. Does the affinity raise only activate if you connect to a key corresponding to the symbols on the encounter card? I ask this as the symbols look slightly different and match the symbols on the character board more than on the diplomacy keys. For a second, I was thinking the affinity track would raise up for each point you had in that stat.
The wild symbol will raise the the affinity if the same attribute key you connected it on is on the encounter card within the stage you're in. It also needs to have the up arrow next to the attribute icon. So, use wilds with attribute keys you have on your player board in order to gain advantages (if any) on the encounter card. It goes up by how many arrows are shown on the encounter card. Hope this helps!
Yes I could have used Back Track using the Bonus Action symbol within the key at the bottom of the card. This was a miss on my part and I've now put it in the pinned comment. Great catch ;)
It seems like you forgot the Rhetorics card ability which would have increased the affinity track to the top and advanced the card progress. This would have destroyed the Rhetorics card from the sequence.
Wow. This game never looked that complicated when I backed it. I'm totally lost. Guess I'll take a break and rewatch your video once I have habituated to this new development 😝
I can assure you it’s not! Might seem like it but when it’s in front of you it clicks fast. Takes about 2-5 mins to do an encounter. Once you play one or two it’s smooth sailing! :)
@@RollingSolo thank you for reassuring me 👍 I'm in this game for the story but that Gameplay just did not click. Maybe I'm just not in the right state of mind as I'm currently traveling... 🤷♂️
I really hope they take out the symbol for when you put a card down. It literally doesn't mean anything if you activate the other symbols on the card first. Unless, of course, none of the symbols activate. However, where else is the card going besides down on the table . That symbol can be taken off and the activation in the box will always be secondary to the side symbols unless otherwise specified in said box.
Ah! That symbol just means it triggers as the last of four things you check for when connecting cards. Helps you not miss it. Those four things can be found in the pinned comment. Hope that helps!
@@RollingSolo I understand. The symbol is irrelevant though. There is no symbol for the first 3 actions that you do when you put a card down. To me that symbol should mean "as soon as you put the card down" implying that the text on the card goes first. I think most people can remember 4 steps:) Regardless, I am beyond excited for this game! Love your videos, they are my favorite! Thanks so much
@@AndyGeroldMusic It's purpose is not really to tell you when to perform the action, but to tell you that the related text happens when the card is played, in the same way that the skull symbol tells you that the text happens during the enemy response phase, and text without a symbol applies continuously, as long as it isn't covered over by another card...
It may seem that way but the game is very streamlined off camera. I also go in-depth on explanation to ensure there isn’t any confusion. If you want to see it moving quicker start at one of the later time stamps. :)
starting to feel like a gloomhaven/mage knight puzzle.. which will be fine, i guess, if the story is good, but i was hoping to spend more time immersing myself into a world and less time on the mechanics. Also, why are such drastic design changes happening NOW? Reeks of ad hoc and no playtesting
Hey Simon, these changes have streamlined the encounters. The majority of the video is for those unfamiliar with the Tainted Grail. Starting at about Round 2 is where things pick up. When playing this off camera, its about 2-5 minutes for an encounter. The tweaks they have made are from the original design which hasn't changed but has been streamlined and allows for more strategic options in defeating an encounter. It's tough to translate through video, however you'll see that it clicks after one encounter very easily!
@@RollingSolo Yeah, I get that this is more of a tutorial/walkthough than a playthrough, and that playing straight up is a different beast, but my fear is that changes are being made to core mechanics throughout the game, not just to deplomacy. Appreciating market feedback is one thing, but this feels a bit like design-by-committee, which is troublesome. Anyway, appreciate your channel, mate, keep up the great content.
I have big concerns with the panic. it seems to just take away your control over your character, which is traditionally not a very fun game concept. Just sitting there and hoping you will get lucky is not my idea of an engaging encounter. Not sure how often this might happen but not looking forward to this.
Thanks for the feedback! This would happen rarely if course depending on how well you manage your terror. It also makes thematic sense. You don’t act rationale when you’re beyond terrified. You’re always able to manage this during the main game to keep yourself out of this situation. However, the odd encounter may push you over the edge!
@@RollingSolo I don't have an issue with the thematic reasoning and think it fits very well. But taking away control from a player is general a bad game design choice as it's never fun losing slowly without actually being able to do much except watch painfully as you get closer to defeat. It's great to hear that terror would happen rarely as I'm not a big fan of how it works currently.
Terrible changes for the game imho. Too many colours, borders, symbols, cluttered on the card. Even the font looks completely out of place. This has become from my most anticipated game to the most dreaded one. What a shame :(
Personally for me, I believe the changes are great. More streamlined and make thematic sense as well. Once you try it in front of yourself you will be surprised how quick it clicks. Thanks for watching!
Well, coming from you this means a lot. However, I won't hold my breath. The hype for me is gone, perhaps it is better this way, I will be pleasantly surprised if you are right!
Intro 0:10 | Diplomacy Overview 1:10 | Diplomacy Encounter Round One Rules & Strategy Walkthrough 15:34 | Round Two 30:36
Real-time Diplomacy Encounter: 2-5 minutes solo
Tainted Grail Playthrough: ua-cam.com/video/207RDTXGEbY/v-deo.html
Hello Rollers! I'm excited to be heading back to Avalon to show you how Diplomatic Encounters work within the Tainted Grail. Remember all components/rules are subject to change. Remember this videos length is cover new players. Those familiar with the game can pick it up from Round 2 onwards. Enjoy!
For those curious on the order of operations to check after playing your first diplomacy card (connected with an Attribute Key or not) it goes like this currently (subject to change):
#1. Check if any Attribute Keys connect to Bonus Keys. Apply these Bonuses. Remember that in order for them to connect, you need to have the Attribute level specified by the key.
#2. If both parts of a Magic Key join, you may connect this Key by paying 1 Magic and gain its Bonus.
#3. Connect the Free Key and gain its Bonus.
#4. Check the Ability. If it triggers now, resolve it.
Then move into playing as many bonus actions as you want/can (icon with brown card and lighting bolt) and they must be connected to an attribute key. Resolve any cards you play in the order above. If the bonus action connects on the bottom only that’s ok. Nothing happens when paired with a x1 or x2. It just serves to connect and set you up for the next bonus action card. Remember you ‘may’ play bonus actions. You’re not forced to. Just have to remember the discard down to three cards.
Correction:
26:00 The Bonus Action key on the bottom of the card (Backtrack) could have been played at this point. Just missed this opportunity!
26:33 When the response from the AI triggered and lowered the marker on the Affinity track, it should have gone up instead based on the ability of the Rhetorics card. Then the Rhetorics card would have been removed from the sequence. Great catch by Elias H and Gastel!
At 22:23 when you put Holy Verse, the Affinity is not green. Does that mean you should have go 1 up on the Affinity with the power at the center of the card ?
I've been asked this quite a bit haha
It's a great question If you check the description or pinned comment there is an order of operations to follow for 'playing diplomacy cards'. Triggering abilities on played cards comes last in the last to resolve. So in this case, it wouldn't have increased it as it wouldn't have been in the neutral position once the card ability triggered. Hope this helps!
@@RollingSolo yes, it is !
Finally another update. Thanks for all you do. Your a great benefit to the community!
Appreciate that and happy to help!
This is one very involved game and you did a great job of explaning it, thanks Adam, keep em coming.
Appreciate that Trev! Was fun to do :)
Appreciate that Trev! Was fun to do :)
Before I jump in here, thanks for the video. I have been hungry for more Tainted Grail content lately.
It seems like some people are a little weary of ALL the changes that have been added to the diplomacy cards and I am in the same boat. I am still excited about the game but I feel like they are trying to hard with this style of card play. I felt like the original set-up, needing to match cards and make a long enough row worked well and quickly. Moving all the icons over to the left side of most cards was a tremendous improvement to reduce the overall length but they just kept going and now there seems to be a lot of tedious rules that one will need to check against while building your row.
Adam, as someone who has gotten a chance to actually sit down with the updated rule book, do you feel like these encounters became too fiddly/convoluted or do you feel like these changes will enhance the experience once someone becomes familiar with the rules?
Thanks so much! The biggest thing people are confusing is the length of the video against the time it takes to play. The overview and rules explanations are for brand new players.
I found the changes to diplomacy to be an good upgrade. It’s more interesting and I like the way cards go in the sequence now based on the icons being on the left side. Takes up less space and moves quicker. It takes about 2-5 minutes to do a diplomatic encounter solo which is perfect. The rules state the order to follow and there is only four things to check when playing your diplomacy cards. All quickly done when you know them. Hope this helps!
Of course once becoming familiar with your hand this speeds up and you only adjust as you add advanced cards in later. :)
So excited for tainted grail!
Great showcase, keep up the great work :)
Thanks Gil! Happy to hear you enjoyed it :D
They should probably specify on the player aid that the "Trigger when placed" icon goes after other card effects. Reffering to the first placement of the Holy Verse card.
Hey Elias! I can understand that. Good feedback. Seeing as it is last in the list of things to gain, that would be beneficial on the reference card. It’s in the rulebook for sure. Cheers!
Since posting this I have learned that the final player aid does not match the one shown in the video. This rule about the “trigger” icon is probably more clear on the new cards.
Great video, and tackling a tough and potentially complicated ruleset... Thank you so much for your help with understanding how this game will play out. No pressure, but rest assured I'll be looking to your vids to help guide me through anything I'm struggling with where this particular hand is concerned. Thanx again.
Thanks! I can assure you that once you play it yourself it clicks quickly! Glad to hear it helped :)
Thanks for the video and presenting the new diplomacy encounter system.
Honestly I'm kinda disappointed about the convolution of stuff going on on the cards: way more icons and some cards of a very different graphic style compared to the Celtic ones, very Euro-like text effects dominated by a lot of different symbols, weird decision of de-gamification by including a table on the encounter card.
This takes the RPG element of facing an encounter and boils it down to a very euro puzzle solving.
Hey Titus! First off thanks for watching and the feedback. The video included an overview and rules for new players. The pinned comment mentions the timeframe off camera with all that removed. Experienced players can start at the second round timestamp. Thanks for watching!
At 27:05 what is about the effect from the last card? Would you not increase the bar to three instead to two and then discard it? Thanks for your great videos i love them :).
No problem! Thanks for the question. Was this answered in the pinned comment? If not, I may need to look into it. I remember others asking but if I remember correctly it was a timing thing as to why it didn’t. Would need to double check though!
Thx good update on the current state of diplomatic encounters, looking forward to my copy. One question at 23:33 the symbols position left to right doesn`t match 100 % on both cards. Doesn´t look very appealing to me.
Brettspieler Remember this is prototype form! Good feedback for the designers. Thanks for the feedback and watching :)
I believe your first Holy Verse card would bump you up the affinity track 3 times. First for the card ability which activates immediately when it is played down, second the “wild” symbol and third the x1 connection.
Rolling Solo I was referring to the card played at the beginning which connects to spirituality. 20:30. I believe the card ability is activated before the keys.
Elias Hartmark Ah I see what you’re referring to now. The keys connecting are first not the ability on the card. Once all the keys are resolved than you check the ability and if it triggers (like the Holy Verse) then do so. By then it wouldn’t have been on the neutral position so no extra gain on the Affinity Track in that case. Hope this helps! :)
Rolling Solo Thank you again for explaining this to me. :)
No problem my friend :)
@@RollingSolo I think you are wrong there, The symbol on the card has the "trigger when placed" icon as shown by your own reference card at 30:20 meaning it should trigger its effect before any other actions are taken?
Great video still quite a bit confused but I am sure this will come in hand when I have the cards in front of me. Would you also be able to do a combat video that would be very useful I think? Thanks
Hey Nick! I’d love to do a Tainted Grail playthrough when it arrives. I won’t want to spoil too much but it would be fun to revisit the final version. No promises but I’m interested for sure! :)
@@RollingSolo Thank you that would be nice as your videos are very clear and help greatly
I can’t wait for it to show up! :D
I don't care for the new icons for energy, health, and terror. They don't seem to fit in with the aesthetic of the game and are a bit jarring to the eye.
Hey Blake! Thanks for watching and I’m sure they’ll take that feedback into consideration. Cheers :)
@@RollingSolo Thanks! Apologies for that initial comment sounding so negative. I appreciate your videos as always, keep up the good work!
No worries! I didn’t take it that way. The developers are likely happy to hear the communities thoughts! :)
So why wouldn't you be able to connect the bottom key at 50:00?
Good question! It’s been some time since in did this one. I may have missed that possibility. If so, good catch! :)
Hey, nice video (even though it was a bit long for me, but I always want to go too fast ;D) !
I had a question @45:04 : You put elaborate argument which links 3 times : 1 wild caution, 1 wild spirituality and the bottom side wild. You raised only two times the thingy, when it should have been thrice? (because both your caution and spirituality connected). Or do you only chose one link to connect each turn plus the bottom link with the multiplier?
From what I can gather, the topmost wild doesn't activate as it's connected via caution (mouse). The affinity track for this encounter only gets increased for either spirituality (wolf) or empathy (dove) as those are the traits listed next to "Comfort the Widow"
@@PinguWithAnAxe Ah yea true, I did forget to check that part!
Pingu is correct! Great question though! :)
Sorry for the length. I wanted to also cover those that have never heard of the Tainted Grail before. The time stamps allow you to jump past explanations. Hope it helped!
48:54 wouldn't you have had to increase terror again, thus going insane?
Absolutely correct. I would have! Remember this is a disconnected encounter from a playthrough. I wanted the focus to be on diplomacy. I do mention what would happen in the case of insanity briefly. You draw a card for that and follow its instructions. Hope this helps! :)
do you think downtime will be a serious issue in the game? looking forward to it either way. are you backing it?
Hey Jordan! I’m behind this one for sure. One thing to note is that off camera, a diplomacy encounter can be played in 2-5 minutes solo depending on how familiar with your cards you are. I don’t see downtime being an issue. :)
Thanks a lot for your great video!
I have a doubt, the last card that you played does not connect to the sequence, but you still applied the effect. Is this correct? it doesn't seem very intuitive to me.
Hey Fabio! Can you timestamp it so I know which last card you’re referring to? Thanks! :)
I refer to the card played at 49:36, "mind trick".
You were panicking so you played the first card from the deck. It didn't connect with the previous, but you still applied the effect (rolled the coin, get the grail, and win the encounter!!!). I am wondering if this is correct. Also, since the first card I play does not have to be linked with the previous one, can I always do this?
Thanks a lot for all the feedback, you are amazing!
Ah! I know what you mean. You’re allowed to play a card that isn’t linked for your first card. The icon on the card mentions it triggers as the last thing in sequence. I get no key bonuses or the free bonus but I do get to trigger the card. Maybe this will change in the final rules but at the moment, it’s valid!
Great Job!
Are you planning to do one more Video for combat?
Hello Michael, I don’t have plans to cover Combat. I have other games I want to show you all. AR made a combat video however!
Rolling Solo Yeah. I just ask because I‘m so excited of this Game.
I‘ve a question to the „Backtrack“-card...
You mentioned that the bonus at the bottom of all cards only triggers if you connect any other Icon before on your turn.
But then you can Never use the bold in the bonus row of the „Backtrack“-card...
Maybe it‘s better to wait for the final version, But that is still 6 months more for me to wait because I ordered the german version...
Maybe you can explain....
Hey Michael, you can use the bonus in the bottom of the Backtrack card when it's played as a 'Bonus Action' which is what the symbol means. So it must be played as a Bonus Action after you've played your first diplomacy card. I noted in the pinned comment that I missed actually playing this during the bonus action stage around 26:00. I should have! Hope this helps :)
Thanks for making this, I can't wait for this game. Question: @27:02, shouldn't the tracker have moved up due to the effect on the final card?
It indeed should have. Good eye. Consider this added to the pinned comment! :)
Great work, thanks for taking the time to make this video.
There were some points I didn't understand from the demo:
In the bonus phase, can you add only cards with the brown bolted sign? Cause I saw that you connected a card with only the green (plus card) bonus symbol in this phase, like in 32:52. At this point you had another card with the green sign in your hand but you said you were unable to connect more since you don't have the brown bolted sign on any of the remaining cards, as with the Holy verse in 33:17. Since it is a big change from the previous demo (freely building your sequence) I would really appreciate any clarification 😊
The other thing is regarding the bottom row. Sometimes the brown bolted sign showed down there - what does it mean? You didn't count this card when you had it in your hand as a playable card and I wonder why is that, like in 26:04?
Thanks again!
Hey Yorai! Thanks for watching and good questions. If you could timestamp where these took place to ensure I answer them correctly that would be awesome. Thanks so much! :)
Thanks so much, I edited the comment to include the time stamps, hope it's clearer now
Thanks Yorai. I'll take a look soon! :)
Yeah I'm confused too about when you brown bolt and when you connect on keys...
Basically you play one diplomacy card when you start you turn. Doesn't need to be connected (but if you don't you're losing out on bonuses you can collect to help you succeed at the encounter). Then you're allowed to play as many bonus action cards as you like connecting on the brown card with the bolt.
Going back to the first card played, if you choose to connect on an attribute key with your first card you need to have one or two red cubes in that attribute on your player board otherwise you cannot connect it.
Remember whether connecting a card to an attribute key or a bonus action key, you must have the corresponding amount of that attribute on your player board in red cubes. If the attribute shows two owls, you need two red cubes in the owl attribute to connect.
Hope this helps!
Looks interesting and confusing.. I get most of it...but.. all the bonus times up at the bottom of the cards. Sometimes a x1 or an x2 or a up or other symbol.. it was hard to tell why you didn’t always do the times or up stuff.
Hey Johnny! I promise you that it’ll be much clearer in person if there was anything that was tough to decipher here. You have to connect on a valid key which you have an attribute for on your player board if you want to take advantage of the bonuses at the bottom of the card. You are allowed to play a disconnected card at the start of your turn but you lose out on bonuses that way. However, you may need to to set yourself up for a string of good bonus actions. I believe when the terminology gets tweaked it’ll make perfect sense. I promise you, when the game is in front of you it clicks after one encounter!
Adam - as usual excellent presentation and insights to this developing game ...I am a top tier KS orderer and trying to eat up all info possible - and your videos are going a long way to helping me ...I am also very pleased to see the on going refining of the game by the company and to see the improvements as they appear ...
Awesome stuff and I am super stoked for this game - I have 18 KS game on the go ATM and this game is the one I am really excited for the most ...I am about to purchase my KS for the Middara reprint / expansion on June 24th which I also see you reviewed etc ...on this occasion I was glad I missed the first print run due to some errata etc but on the downside I have to wait until the reprint is finished - guess you can’t have it all lol...
Ric
haha I hear you! TG is up their on my most anticipated list. The Middara reprint is going to be interesting as well! Looking forward to it. Cheers!
Would it make sense to make a new row each round, instead of constantly growing the single row's columns? This would prevent the confusion about not having to connect the first card in a round to the last.
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That could work, but it would make it harder to see the connection between the cards of previous rounds. Even though the first card played on the round does not need to connect does not mean you don't want the benefits of connecting them.
Certainly something you could do. I think this feedback will be valuable for them! I wondered this myself when filming. Thanks Dave!
Thank you for this demonstration! Very informative.
A question, please:
on the first card - Holy Verse: Don't you need to immediately raise Affinity (cause it is not green, says the command on the card) and then use the Wild symbol (another raise 1) and the X1 bonus (that's the third one): for total of three raises and a victory on first card?
A second Q:
After you panicked - you played a card that did not give you progress. End of turn. Don't you need to gain ANOTHER panic due to enemy's response? If so, one could not only spend cards from diplomacy deck but also gain wild amounts of Panic, one for each turn. Am I correct? VERY brutal!
Ophir Gonen I thought as well that the first Holy Verse card should have done this. It depends on if the card ability or the keys activate first. I am waiting on a response from Rolling Solo.
Hey Ophir!
You’re correct on the first one as I noted in the pinned comment.
In terms of the second it simply increases the panic on your player board which for the purposes of the example I didn’t show as it was just an example and the terror was already above my health. You will panic each round going forward unless you can reduce it under your health. Hope this helps!
@@RollingSolo Clarification on panic does help, thanks.
As of this moment, though, you haven't noted it on pinned comment, as you referred to a different card there, with a different immediate action. (Talking about "Holy Verse" not "Rhetorics")
Ah, I see you wrote Elias that the immediate action is not all that immediate, and only occur after resolving symbols (opposed to none immediate action which occur.. at the enemy's response or something like that?)
That's correct, its last in the order of operations to check for. Abilities on cards are after Attribute key check, magic key check, free (bonus) key check and then abilities on cards trigger (if they do). Hope this helps!
I think (not more informed than anyone else) that it’s inaccurate to say you will ever play a card that does not connect to the previous one. Every spoiled diplomacy and combat will connect to each other and all encounter cards via the bottom key. The bottom key may be the only one that connects and that is fine.
The rules then state that every card after the first one played that turn must have a connecting ‘lightning bolt’ key in order to be played. This may be found on the bottom key on some cards.
So panic will never force you to play a card that doesn’t connect (because they all do) but it will force your first card, limiting your follow up options (seems pretty thematic).
Thanks for the feedback. Seems like a good way to sum it up! Looking forward to the final version myself.
That comment should have started with “Great video, thanks for the content, and keep up the good work.”
haha I appreciate all comments! Thanks for the kinds words too. Have a good one!
Firstly thanks for this insight in the Diplomacy system!
Now I'm wondering (maybe I missed something) will there be any kind of flavor text or rather do you know if these dipolmacy encounters are story driven? If we take the Mourners card: "A mourning ritual known as keening is now a common sight in Avalon." in conjunction with "Comfort the Widow." seems a bit random and dull to me.
It seems like, I'm just wandering around Avalon on my "epic quest", joining some random people mourning some random dude, comforting the widow...but why? ^^ Is there any story, sense or purpose around those encounters, am I missing something?
Hey Marcus! Think of Encounters as unexpected things you’d encounter. Even in real life, if you go to a city you may have a plan as to how things will unfold but certain things will cross your path you weren’t expecting or prepared for. To me Encounters even if they aren’t directly lined up with the story make the world feel alive. However, saying that there are certain narrative pieces that require you to find a specific encounter card and deal with it. So that angle is covered as well. It can go either way!
another question would the icons that show two owls move you up the affinity track two nodes?
The two owl icons are there to ensure you check your player board and have two red cubes in the owl attribute. If you don't, you cannot connect the key. Hope that helps! :)
Thank you soo very much for making this.
Elias Hartmark No problem. Happy to help!
So I rewatched now and it is intriguing but I still don't get everything. In the second round of the encounter, why didn't you get a bonus for the bottom line (x1 arrow x2)? In the first round you did... 🤔
Hello! I did get the bonus for the x1 arrow connection after the first card played in the second round. The x2 hangs until the next card is placed. The connection is between the cards remember :)
@@RollingSolo Ah so I guess x1 cannot connect to x2. And there are some Icons that do connect (the successes and the draw one more card icon) and some that only connect when they are additional cards (the flashes). Oh my. This is going to take some time. Good thing that I ordered the German version, gonna have some months to watch the videos of the English speaking community... 👍
I promise you it’s much easier up close in person. It clicks in one encounter. Takes 2-5 minutes and gets faster the more familiar you are with your character deck. :)
@@RollingSolo yeah watching some play throughs, doing the tutorial, I guess this will be fun playing. But as so many people backed this, you really have to wonder if this is for everybody cause it really gives a very fiddly first impression... 🤔
I think the gameplay is quite smooth based on my plays. Nice balance of narrative driven and strategic choices!
I am most confused on the “wild” symbol. Does the affinity raise only activate if you connect to a key corresponding to the symbols on the encounter card? I ask this as the symbols look slightly different and match the symbols on the character board more than on the diplomacy keys. For a second, I was thinking the affinity track would raise up for each point you had in that stat.
The wild symbol will raise the the affinity if the same attribute key you connected it on is on the encounter card within the stage you're in. It also needs to have the up arrow next to the attribute icon. So, use wilds with attribute keys you have on your player board in order to gain advantages (if any) on the encounter card. It goes up by how many arrows are shown on the encounter card. Hope this helps!
at 26 mins couldn't you have used your new card since it did in fact have the bonus marker on the very bottom?
Yes I could have used Back Track using the Bonus Action symbol within the key at the bottom of the card. This was a miss on my part and I've now put it in the pinned comment. Great catch ;)
@@RollingSolo Woooo! I might not be as completely lost as I thought with this game haha! Great vid! :)
Good to hear that! Sounds like it clicked :)
It seems like you forgot the Rhetorics card ability which would have increased the affinity track to the top and advanced the card progress. This would have destroyed the Rhetorics card from the sequence.
Elias Hartmark Hey! This is a fantastic catch. I’ve noted it in the pinned comment. Thanks for watching! :)
I like the charge mechanic. It seems like such a nice way to mitigate random card draws.
Has combat been updated in the same way?
I liked that as well. Spices things up and helps to mitigate some nasty effects! :)
I haven’t dived into the combat portion yet but they mentioned they have tweaked some things to further improve it.
@@RollingSolo I'll look forward to more details on that
Sounds good :)
Wow. This game never looked that complicated when I backed it. I'm totally lost. Guess I'll take a break and rewatch your video once I have habituated to this new development 😝
I can assure you it’s not! Might seem like it but when it’s in front of you it clicks fast. Takes about 2-5 mins to do an encounter. Once you play one or two it’s smooth sailing! :)
@@RollingSolo thank you for reassuring me 👍 I'm in this game for the story but that Gameplay just did not click. Maybe I'm just not in the right state of mind as I'm currently traveling... 🤷♂️
Safe travels!
I really hope they take out the symbol for when you put a card down. It literally doesn't mean anything if you activate the other symbols on the card first. Unless, of course, none of the symbols activate. However, where else is the card going besides down on the table . That symbol can be taken off and the activation in the box will always be secondary to the side symbols unless otherwise specified in said box.
Hey Andy! Which symbol is that again? I’m drawing a blank. Timestamp it if you know. Cheers!
@@RollingSolo The symbol with the down arrow and oval. It represents when you "put a card down"
Ah! That symbol just means it triggers as the last of four things you check for when connecting cards. Helps you not miss it. Those four things can be found in the pinned comment. Hope that helps!
@@RollingSolo I understand. The symbol is irrelevant though. There is no symbol for the first 3 actions that you do when you put a card down. To me that symbol should mean "as soon as you put the card down" implying that the text on the card goes first. I think most people can remember 4 steps:)
Regardless, I am beyond excited for this game! Love your videos, they are my favorite! Thanks so much
@@AndyGeroldMusic It's purpose is not really to tell you when to perform the action, but to tell you that the related text happens when the card is played, in the same way that the skull symbol tells you that the text happens during the enemy response phase, and text without a symbol applies continuously, as long as it isn't covered over by another card...
Seems a lot going on
It may seem that way but the game is very streamlined off camera. I also go in-depth on explanation to ensure there isn’t any confusion. If you want to see it moving quicker start at one of the later time stamps. :)
starting to feel like a gloomhaven/mage knight puzzle.. which will be fine, i guess, if the story is good, but i was hoping to spend more time immersing myself into a world and less time on the mechanics. Also, why are such drastic design changes happening NOW? Reeks of ad hoc and no playtesting
Hey Simon, these changes have streamlined the encounters. The majority of the video is for those unfamiliar with the Tainted Grail. Starting at about Round 2 is where things pick up. When playing this off camera, its about 2-5 minutes for an encounter. The tweaks they have made are from the original design which hasn't changed but has been streamlined and allows for more strategic options in defeating an encounter. It's tough to translate through video, however you'll see that it clicks after one encounter very easily!
@@RollingSolo Yeah, I get that this is more of a tutorial/walkthough than a playthrough, and that playing straight up is a different beast, but my fear is that changes are being made to core mechanics throughout the game, not just to deplomacy. Appreciating market feedback is one thing, but this feels a bit like design-by-committee, which is troublesome. Anyway, appreciate your channel, mate, keep up the great content.
Totally understand your concerns! Appreciate you sharing them here as well. See you around Simon :)
I have big concerns with the panic. it seems to just take away your control over your character, which is traditionally not a very fun game concept. Just sitting there and hoping you will get lucky is not my idea of an engaging encounter. Not sure how often this might happen but not looking forward to this.
Thanks for the feedback! This would happen rarely if course depending on how well you manage your terror. It also makes thematic sense. You don’t act rationale when you’re beyond terrified. You’re always able to manage this during the main game to keep yourself out of this situation. However, the odd encounter may push you over the edge!
@@RollingSolo I don't have an issue with the thematic reasoning and think it fits very well. But taking away control from a player is general a bad game design choice as it's never fun losing slowly without actually being able to do much except watch painfully as you get closer to defeat. It's great to hear that terror would happen rarely as I'm not a big fan of how it works currently.
Terrible changes for the game imho. Too many colours, borders, symbols, cluttered on the card. Even the font looks completely out of place. This has become from my most anticipated game to the most dreaded one. What a shame :(
Personally for me, I believe the changes are great. More streamlined and make thematic sense as well. Once you try it in front of yourself you will be surprised how quick it clicks. Thanks for watching!
Well, coming from you this means a lot. However, I won't hold my breath. The hype for me is gone, perhaps it is better this way, I will be pleasantly surprised if you are right!
I think you will be!