I remember when Keanu Reeves personally called me on the phone after watching John Wick to remind me that it was a movie and not real life and I should not try the stuff he does in the film. It's great to see personalities take accountability for every little thing they do, I was this close to actually try and take out the entire russian mafia myself
After I watched Videodrome, David Cronenberg was polite enough to call me and tell me NOT to shoot a network executive on live TV. He then informed me not to commit suicide in some hope of rebirth while crying "DEATH TO VIDEODROME! LONG LIVE THE NEW FLESH!" As Debbie Harry is not actually a Domminatrix who subliminally programs the masses into committing violent crimes. Good thing he called me too because I was in NO way shape or form smart enough to tell the difference.
That was what I thought when I heard that story as his turning point. That idiot probably would've said regrettable things in public anyway even without idubbbz existing, it's not his fault some people are too unaware or (purposely I'd argue) misinterpret / add their own meaning to his jokes.
It's funny how there's a double standard when it comes to audience responsibility in new media vs. old media. No one blames Lauren Faust for the weird shit MLP fans do, but God forbid a UA-camr's fan is an asshole.
Cuz most people don't have a parasocial relationships with celebrities. Influencers love to use the power over their audience to get money and sponsors, but then love to act dumb abt the influence they have
@@nomanejane5766 "Most people don't have a parasocial relationship with celebrities"? Yea they absolutely do lmao And you think they don't want money or influence?
@@nomanejane5766 Where do you think the term "stan" comes from? It's literally from an Eminem song about his own toxic fanbase. Eminem ain't no youtuber.
Audience responsibility is a joke. Of course if you encourage something, then you are atleast partially responsible. But aside from that, the audience is their own problem. Your a human, not some alien hivemind.
This! Best explanation I have seen yet. You can’t be responsible for your audience unless you are inciting something. Should be common sense, but not many people have that these days.
On the other hand, we're on a way different time then 2014 ~ 2016, we joked about things because we didn't believe in it, now you have people that could do serious harm in the real world (like the covering of Jacob Blake by the media and then antifa riots)
Just like if you like someone's work or vote for a political party that doesn't make you a bad person. Poor Scott Cawthon for example, literally donated an ungodly amount to charity and even indie projects of his fans but people wanted to cancel him over donations to political candidates that were a drop in the bucket. He ended up retiring as it was easier to retire than risk the lives of his family over a bunch radicals who can't handle their beliefs aren't the majority but the minority.
@@Logan-zp8bi Scott Cawthon is a textbook example of a parasocial relationship gone wrong. People started getting angry at him because he voted in his own best interest and not theirs. They somehow felt entitled to his personal political opinions because they wanted him to be this progressive vanguard of video games that they imagined him to be in their heads and when it was discovered that he was his own person with his own opinions, they took it as a personal attack against something that belonged to them.
Their idea that you are responsible for every single one of potentially millions of people you have never met, on how could they interpret your content is insane. Also, it is completely one-sided if one of Ethan Klein's fans hears him wishing for something terrible to happen to the NRA or the Catholic Church and acts upon it, none of those people who advocate for this would demand Ethan to go to jail.
This is exactly what the PMRC tried to do in America, or the video nasties list in the UK.. Parents trying to sue musical artists like Judas Priest for their kid asserting a specific meaning in the lyrics and tried to blow their head off and survived, and he went along with the suit. Columbine with Marilyn Mason and KMFDM. Humans have been doing it for ages for all sorts of reasons but a major identifier is religion or cultural beliefs. People just as equally need to accept history repeats itself, so we're going to keep encountering this.. Many jut had hoped we could get past it eventually but, the same issue with justice and blame is everywhere now because of the various political and cultural systems and elites battling in the US now.
Your responsible for the way your audience thinks, not what your fans do individually. You put content out there as "news" or "information", you're actively campaigning to influence the way that person thinks about a situation. That's why you have all of these fake crocodile tear UA-camrs getting their fans to be their white knights. Take the Etika and Keemstar situation, for example. Keemstars fans bullied Etika into suicide... KEEMSTAR is an oftentimes offensive individual who attracts the attention of trolls/assholes. HIS CONTENT DEFINITELY influenced a lot of people, you're not responsible for the audience's actions but you are responsible for their feelings/opinion/behavior toward things, and a lot of kids/teens get on UA-cam and their minds absorb everything their favorite influencer tells them
Ludwig: "I'm not your Dad, I'm not your friend, I don't know you." Also Ludwig: "I'm gonna act like your Dad and feel I should take responsibility." Which is it Ludwig? Because if you are my Dad we could really use that milk you said you were going to get all those years ago.
pretty sure he used that double speak to omit him of any wrong doing e.g. fan commits crime -> I said I wasn't your friend so that isn't my problem, e.g. streamer accuses ludwig of having bad audience -> I'm trying my best
It’s almost like they only want the benefits of being the subject of parasocial relationships without any of the downsides. How about that shit? For real though, the egos on these streamers are immense, but I guess that’s what happens when you give random 20 year olds massive success and adoration from teenagers. It’s not surprising to me that they would try to game the system they’re a part of, it’s just annoying to see people be so openly self-righteous, believing that they are responsible for controlling their viewers’ actions, while simultaneously arguing that they dislike parasocial relationships with their viewers.
Are you actually older than Tom? I ask because I am and I always just find it really laughable that people think creators only attract kids or like I’m going to be influenced in some meaningful way.
@@WithDiameter Both myself and my wife are older than Tom, we don't necessarily seek his content out but are happy to have a watch if it happens to come up.
I can't believe the dude that wrote the catcher in the rye personally controlled someone into killing John Lennon. Wild. Someone should really hold them accountable!
Ludwig will go after anyone with a lower sub-count than him. I have legit never seen him say anything bad about someone adjacent/above him. Absolute climber.
Lud used to be cool. I used to follow him back in the melee scene with slime and when he started to become a streamer. It went downhill around 2020. Now he hangs with some shitty streamers and has learned part of their personalities
"if you make content, you're responsible for everything all of your fans do" is an insane take. what other kind of media is like that? if you watch a spider man movie then jump off a building, who's fault is that? the directors? no.
I'm pretty sure a lot of people don't think that. As a content creator. YOU'RE responsible for the MINDSET people have to make bad/good decisions. Lie and say it's not true.
Can confirm, I said it 10 years ago about a person I idolized and it was literally before I was on meds and in therapy LOL. I said it because I wanted to find people to relate to my issues and like the things I like. It's a veiled misery-loves-company thing, and only people with a God complex will believe they have an influence over every single person's individual lives. We're people with our own personalities, sometimes we just suck, or sometimes we feel inspired to finally make a better decision that we were likely going to make at some point anyway.
This is exactly it! Back in 2016 I was suicidal because my life was in tatters and I felt like nothing was gonna get better. However I tried to look at the positives of life and certain content creators did help me see the good side to life but would I say they "Saved my life"? No way, my life was saved not only by my own actions but also by the real-life people I knew that went out of their way to help me. To claim somebody across the pond that doesn't even know of my existence "saved my life" is asinine. Yeah they helped with passing the time but they didn't save me.
@@TheGamersState correct and I’m glad you’re feeling better! I was suicidal as well and I pulled myself out of it with work and dedication. Stay well brotha!
@@dan5609 what do you mean, if you direct your audience to do something you’re absolutely responsible in some part for actions they take or if they push a hurtful agenda you espouse to them Disagree* in response to the guy saying they’re 100% responsible because of course you aren’t for anything someone in your audience might do
The argument that a creator is responsible for their audience is no different than the argument from years ago that violent movies and video games produce mass murderers. Its unfounded, its unsound, its moronic, and its used as a way to stifle the expression of potential politically opposing views from commentary creators who might have a take on a situation that's considered "wrong think". Its a broken system of logic that forces a creator to forfeit their right to expression for fear that some idiot who follows them will do or say something stupid and that event being traced back to the creator who can then be openly discredited and ostracized. Its 100% politically driven and 80% of that idea is being enforced by left leaning creators atm. Thank you Tom for keeping your channel pretty much apolitical and bringing the logic home. Keep calling out morons no matter what side they lean. We got you.
Exactly. It's a tactic to try and guilt trip you into never wanting to criticize them or point out their problems by exploiting your good will. It's basically "Bad thing happened to us by stupid bad person because you kept pointing out our bad behavior! Stop doing that or your bad person who wants more of these bad things to happen! You don't to be labeled bad person, do you!!?" Someone who does this is NOT in any shape or position to go labeling who's "good" or "bad" and isn't someone you should allow to make you feel bad just for brining up a criticism. I assure you.
Don't forget the "Ozzy Osbourne caused us to kill ourselves" and subliminal messages in records they were touting before that. No one is responsible for their own actions anymore.
This is 100% an attempt to make it easier to de-platform opposition. Wouldn't it be nice if you could de-platform someone you don't like because a member of their audience crossed a line, especially if they've successfully dissected one of your strong arguments? That would be a really handy tool, for some.
@@dorugoramon0518 It's primarily social media. Social media companies profit off of attention-seeking and narcissistic behavior, so they encourage it with their apps. That's why society has been shifting into how it is now.
@@ZarHakkar Legitimately, I agree. This is a weird thing to relate it to, but more than any other media: You see it extremely, extremely severely in roleplay communities, like, RP servers, games, sims, forums, discords, etc. In the early 2000s, people were very loose and liberal with their characters, pretty much no one really considered a 'character' to be part of the player, and often things like out of character communication was banned or extremely discouraged. These were RP spaces, and they should only be violated for things like 'fuck I need to afk there's a medical emergency' in real time roleplays. More then that, it was expected your characters would die and be replaced. It wasn't uncommon for some groups to enforce 'age' death so say, you only had a year to play a character before they 'died of old age' or 'retired' or whatever. The idea was your character was separate from you and the story was not about you. Then, in the 2010s, it shifted first to tumblr's 'egos' and 'muses' in which OCs/Original characters turned into more like 'sacred expressions of self', and became much more sensitive, characters became more permanent, rather than disposable (and sometimes iterative) they were more clearly part of the self. But still usually separate, often kept clean by community 'fun' RP games like playing someone else's character, or playing a character from a show rather than your character, or your character 'if X had changed them' Then, now? Culture has again changed dramatically. For the first time in memory, as I've RPed way too long since I was young kid in the early 00s, now? You have people upset at the idea tehy should not *play themself* and confusion at the idea of 'sona play' and debating why wish-fulfillment and powergaming is a bad idea in a sandbox community roleplay environment. (Where, hint, no one is a main character, as there are...hundreds of players, minimum.)
I'm not even surprised that there are people who are blaming creators/influencers/whatever for the actions of their fans. We are living in times where people are literally treated like children. They are doing everything they can to put the blame for their actions on someone else... If we would follow that logic we could put majority of big influencers in jail because there will be always someone dumb who will do stupid/illegal things.
Tom. You need to take responsibility for my problems. I watch your channels, therefore everything I do and have ever done falls on you. That's just the way it works.
It's usually those sitting on an audience of cancel culture freaks too, who act in ways that is greater levels of harassment than what they typically talk about.
You should just ban people under 18 from your server. I don’t have discord but it sounds deplorable and not having children messaging you is probably a good decision
@@WalkerTheSpy Ironically, banning under 18s from your server might make it safer for any actual children who stay in the server because if you knowingly allow under 18s then groomers might come in to specifically cause an "incident". Ultimately if anything does happen it's on the parents for allowing their kids to access social media but generally speaking I think most people would rather avoid catching any flak in the vent something does happen.
its funny how idubbz cant comprehend that maybe his fans did that only to him because he would understand the joke. Its like walking up to any youtuber and saying an inside joke from their channel. (the only example I can think of right now is Coop772 and asking him if the AR-15 has an N-Strike barrel lug or something like that). They will reflect the behavior in your videos not because they are actually like that, but because you understand the humor in it, unlike a random person.
I really dislike the fact that people see this "you are responsible for your audience" situation as black and white - it's really not. If you cultivated a very toxic audience, I think that says a lot about you as a content creator, and in some way you are responsible for creating that environment, but at the same time, you're still not directly responsible for their actions (unless you told them to do X). That's my honest take on it.
Yeah literally this. Like you can't personally watch over every individual but 'trends' are a thing for a reason. If you notice a specific type of people are predominantly in your audience, it *does* mean you're cultivating that type of environment, unintentionally or no, so sometimes addressing it will push those people away, *but that's all you can do, though* This is an extreme example, but think about some of the mass shooters we've had and when research is done into who they were following/watching or who helped them shape these beliefs, there's a specific type of figurehead that will pop up most times than not. While they themselves are not directly responsible for pulling the trigger (obviously) they should look into what type of environment/ideology they might be festering with their content (I'm obviously talking about media figureheads outside of UA-cam but similar type of logic).
If I got a toxic audience right? That is my envorinment a inside joke in my discord server, in my youtube channel, my twitch. Once they get out of it that is on them I never said to go off and do dumbshit do X or do Y. That is just stupid it is a whole "Work Mask, social mask, family mask" thing.
It’s simple: the bigger the audience the bigger the responsibility. At a certain point though, there’s only so much you can do. Some people are just here to cause chaos and you can’t really stop that.
That is the dumbest take I've ever heard, congrats, by your logic ima be a fan of you, then go do a terrible crime and blame it on you and you better take responsibility
If that's the case, then Bollywood idol Amir Khan must be personally responsible for the Indian rape epidemic. Or is that perhaps not actually how that works?
Tom my man you literally saved my life :))))) it's crazy how you never talk about charging into that burning building and dragging every animal, man, woman, and child out AND THEN helping the fire fighters put the fire out. You're my hero Tom!!!
They're content creators not babysitters. At the end of the day everyone will do what they will do regardless of the content creators. It's the video games are the cause of violence argument all over again history repeating itself in a funny way once again.
Individuals are responsible for their own actions. A person cannot be responsible for most of the people they know, let alone the people that they don't.
My take: You’re only responsible for your audience if you tell them to do something. If not, you have no control over their actions and how they respond to the content you make.
I really really hate this era of the internet where you need to be verbally abused and berrated if you even so much as say the word "retard" online, like fr get a life. Go outside someday and realize you cant control everything someone does or says that doesnt match your humor/thought style/sense of humor. If you see someone use language or humor you think is offensive, take a deep long breath and turn your phone off.
There's a difference between "keeping tabs on every single audience member" and inciting teenagers to do violence against a person or group knowingly, knowing ppl are going to get hurt, and doing nothing to try and stop that from happening. ESPECIALLY when your audience is young. The creator isn't to blame, but having the forethought to not give directions to an audience you know to contain bad actors is important. You're a good example. You give your opinions, based on evidence you share, and leave it on that, and you discourage harassment. I think that's enough
You're right. We all completely forgot about the time JD Salinger _explicitly instructed_ his readers to go shoot British pop stars for promoting secularism.
I love one of the things you had to say in here, something to the effect of "I have much more respect for the person who has the worst opinions but very strong reasons for believing them than the person with the best opinions who has the worst reasons for believing in them." I've been espousing this idea for such a long time and this is the first instance in which I've heard it said by anyone who wasn't some kind of philospher. I think it's a really important concept that isn't taught in school unfortunately, but then again if it was my choice everyone would be forced to learn ethics and game theory before middle-school.
saying you're responsible for what your audience does implies you have total control over them. These people are such narcissists, and they don't even realize they're outing themselves to the world
Remember when Michael Jackson released The Way You Make Me Feel, and we had an epidemic of teenage boys chasing girls in alleys yelling "HOOOO HEEHEE"? Because I don't.
Even Josh tells his audience not to idolize him and have a para-social relationship with him. As he said it best, He's literally some guy. The parasocial superchats he gets on MATI are weird.
It really is fucking telling about the whole thing of "audience responcibility" when Josh, the *literal father of Kiwi Farms* , is telling his own audience not to have a parasocial relationship with him. Also, nice profile picture. Where'd you get it?
A thing I've talked to my psychologist about more than once is accountability and whether or not something is within my "circle" of control. It's literally called "Circles of Control" as a psychological concept and it goes something like this - The circle of control, a small circle, representing me and what I have control over; my thoughts, my actions. A larger circle encasing the former circle, which represent my circle of influence; how people react to my actions, their thoughts, my commitments, things like who I voted for. And a third, even larger circle - the circle of concern, things of which I have no control over, like traffic, the weather, wars/geopolitical problems and even our own past. The reason I bring this up is because these days, a lot of regressive lefties and remotely political content creators have completely forgotten that an individual is an individual, regardless of what kind of politics they consume, the content they consume as entertainment, their job or their mental illness etc. They think everyone should be held accountable for something that is outside of their individual control, like idubbbz saying he's responsible for his old fanbase (the ones that liked his "edgy" content when he said the N and F slur frequently) and he somehow has to atone for his past - things that are outside of his control. There's nothing a content creator can do to prevent their viewerbase from doing XYZ in their name or reacting to their content because the viewerbase are individuals in control of their own reaction. Stop making people feel like they have to atone for something that is outside of their control. Let the sins of the past stay in the past. Let people grow and change as persons. Cancel culture is helping no one, it only adds stress to our already stressful lives. The purity spiral is consuming all until you cannot apologize for something hard enough unless you self-delete and even then, people will screech that you self-deleted because you're a bad person. More and more people are diagnosed with an array of mental health issues like personality disorders, more and more people break down crying or worse when some dingbat online decides to attempt cancelation of them over a tweet they sent five years ago. It's time to stop.
It’s so insanely narcissistic and conceited to think you’re the “mother” of your audience and have any control over their actions. iDubbbz is ridiculously full of himself if he thinks that and so is anyone else lol and I wouldn’t be surprised if people who think like that are pretty authoritarian deep down tbh. The fact iDubbbz thinks he “caused a lot of damage” makes me laugh every time like what a dork :D
He’s not narcissistic for understanding that he provided an argument to justify racism and bigotry and it was viewed over 30 million times and clearly impacted how often people used the slur…
@@alythiasplaylist4425 He didn't provide any argument to justify anything. He recited something George Carlin did on stage much better and years before he had been born, which btw isn't "justifying racism" but I know how much you wanna hang onto your special word.
The 2 things I do get about the “you saved me” 1. They wanted to get the entertainers attention 2. They probably had a lot going on, some do need a distraction, Ludwig might’ve been the only one at the time for those people because *maybe* no entertainment got them interested I get that it wasn’t necessarily Ludwig’s fault for ‘helping’ that singular person but he still did help. Like every kind of entertainment helps people through rough times, aswell as suicidal times. But you just can’t forget that when going through those times you’re weak, and everyone can basically manipulate people into doing anything. (Adin Ross) You can even see it with the huge amount of cults existing
fantastic take man, honestly. - This is a very important topic to discuss.. I've been thinking like that for years now. You gotta be careful with how much of actual responsibility you want to put onto your fanbase and make sure to know where to draw the line between what is still entertainment and what is not. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who still don't quite get it and content creators who put too much pressure on themselves because of that
what's understated is the effect audiences have on creators views, likes and subscriber counts influence what content creators make, especially if the creators wanna be highly successful and popular
The truest take. I’d bet that about every creator who believes they have responsibility for their audiences behavior happens to have an audience full of people that can’t take full responsibility for their OWN behavior
I just dont understand how people can believe these parasocial relationships are real or meaningful in any way, it boggles the mind sometimes. With that said, I wanna say thanks to Daddy Tom for teaching me how I should think and feel about any given topic, especially this one. If it wasnt for your videos Idk how I would get through my lonely meaningless existence every day, they are a beacon of hope for all mankind. You've been such a good friend to me throughout these tough years, so here a $1. When you read my super chat it'll be my only human interaction for the day and it's like we're having a real conversation, how cool!!! P.S. I cant believe what happened to you last week, I wish I could be there to comfort and console you and help you get through this rough patch, but unfortunately we live so far apart, 1246 miles to be exact, maybe some day tho, in the mean time heres another $1, hope it helps the medicine go down!!! I'll see ya at vidcon, take care homie!
You perfectly articulated exactly how I felt about these things and even gave me some insight. I completely agree that these Twitter users love playing victim and they would put the blame for their wrongdoings on others for no reason.
Internet Ajay has made his last farewell movie. He also called you out for saying the N-word in 2021 and called you cringe and toxic. He did you dirty, as well as calling you a leech. It would only feel right to respond to his graduation from the internet.
Not even gonna lie I've been watching ShoeOnHead since middle school and I'm turning 22 next month. It's definitely a guilty pleasure but I do really enjoy the content and find it funny that she basically pisses off every corner of the internet bc her beliefs don't align perfectly into one faction
Im really glad that you don't go for clickbait tittle like pyro or moist critikal goes for, and you don't hype that much of the talk, you go for it, i grew up acostumed that people on this webside don't put that much effort into making videos, but when someone out there wants to create good content it shows in the quality and personality, maturity and creativity
Bet if one of H3’s fans blew up the NRA building people in his audience and all these people saying you’re responsible for everyone who could ever stumble across your content would instantly change their opinions even though he straight up said you should go out and do it to all his viewers. They’d probably say that he’s not responsible for it and that he was just joking and that the person who did it took it to far.
istg most of these people where saying "youre not responsible for what your fans do as theyre an individual" or somethin like that when dreams fans where out of control and sending death threats to everybody but all of sudden the creator is now responsible?!?
Hey Tom, you're a pretty smart guy. The way you talk and explain things are level headed, straight to the point and intelligently worded. I like to hear your opinion on things
You should care about your conduct in the sense to not get banned or direct hatred onto people. This happened with Leafy's content since he would callously make fun of nobodies online and the losers that watched him would harass people. But I never really got this from iDubbbz. It never felt angrily hateful, the purpose was to laugh. Feeling like you shouldn't do or have done a certain thing is cool but I don't care for how overdramatic some people are
Yeah, that's what turkey meant when he said he does bow to UA-cam and doesn't wanna make things hard for them. It's not because he feels bad for his audience being trash, it's because he has to do certain things in order to not get banned.
It's such a strange idea that you as an individual need to take responsibility for the actions of potentially millions of people, because they're a fan of yours. Considering that all of those potential millions of people won't just be fans of that singular person, are all of the other people they're fans of share in the same responsibility, all at the same time?
With the way UA-cam is lately. He was probably trying to save it on his Watch Later playlist or another playlist and when he pressed the button the video got saved on the last playlist he used
The ironic world we live in that the same people who bashed the right for saying video games causes violence are now agreeing with them, as well as sexism and racism. We as a society are really that scared to take some accountability, it takes a miracle for most people to admit that they were wrong and that it’s their own fault for whatever…and yet the same people bash others for not doing just that. How does that even work?
I remember when Keanu Reeves personally called me on the phone after watching John Wick to remind me that it was a movie and not real life and I should not try the stuff he does in the film. It's great to see personalities take accountability for every little thing they do, I was this close to actually try and take out the entire russian mafia myself
Same. What an accountable saint.
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Lmfaooo
After I watched Videodrome, David Cronenberg was polite enough to call me and tell me NOT to shoot a network executive on live TV. He then informed me not to commit suicide in some hope of rebirth while crying "DEATH TO VIDEODROME! LONG LIVE THE NEW FLESH!" As Debbie Harry is not actually a Domminatrix who subliminally programs the masses into committing violent crimes. Good thing he called me too because I was in NO way shape or form smart enough to tell the difference.
Keanu never called me to warn me.
Safe to say I'm built different, Imma go hunt down some Mafias
Im sorry but if any idubbz fans went around shouting slurs at people its thier own fault not idubbz
That was what I thought when I heard that story as his turning point. That idiot probably would've said regrettable things in public anyway even without idubbbz existing, it's not his fault some people are too unaware or (purposely I'd argue) misinterpret / add their own meaning to his jokes.
Yes and no tbh
@@Hydranox Yes and Yes tbh
@@Hydranox What? xD Because you heard someone use slurs you used them? you are insane
@@zlocish More stupid than insane imo
I ran a poll a while ago asking if my audience had been to prison. 6% had. That's almost 80K people lmao. Not gonna feel bad
I think 1% of your audience went to prison and 5% are wise acres
And you shouldnt. Some people might even be watching from inside a cell.
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This comment is so funny to me
Lmaooo
It's funny how there's a double standard when it comes to audience responsibility in new media vs. old media. No one blames Lauren Faust for the weird shit MLP fans do, but God forbid a UA-camr's fan is an asshole.
Who is Lauren faust?
@@IceFalcon38 The creator of MLP
Cuz most people don't have a parasocial relationships with celebrities. Influencers love to use the power over their audience to get money and sponsors, but then love to act dumb abt the influence they have
@@nomanejane5766 "Most people don't have a parasocial relationship with celebrities"? Yea they absolutely do lmao
And you think they don't want money or influence?
@@nomanejane5766 Where do you think the term "stan" comes from? It's literally from an Eminem song about his own toxic fanbase. Eminem ain't no youtuber.
Audience responsibility is a joke. Of course if you encourage something, then you are atleast partially responsible. But aside from that, the audience is their own problem. Your a human, not some alien hivemind.
This! Best explanation I have seen yet. You can’t be responsible for your audience unless you are inciting something. Should be common sense, but not many people have that these days.
On the other hand, we're on a way different time then 2014 ~ 2016, we joked about things because we didn't believe in it, now you have people that could do serious harm in the real world (like the covering of Jacob Blake by the media and then antifa riots)
Just like if you like someone's work or vote for a political party that doesn't make you a bad person. Poor Scott Cawthon for example, literally donated an ungodly amount to charity and even indie projects of his fans but people wanted to cancel him over donations to political candidates that were a drop in the bucket. He ended up retiring as it was easier to retire than risk the lives of his family over a bunch radicals who can't handle their beliefs aren't the majority but the minority.
@@Logan-zp8bi Scott Cawthon is a textbook example of a parasocial relationship gone wrong. People started getting angry at him because he voted in his own best interest and not theirs. They somehow felt entitled to his personal political opinions because they wanted him to be this progressive vanguard of video games that they imagined him to be in their heads and when it was discovered that he was his own person with his own opinions, they took it as a personal attack against something that belonged to them.
Don’t join the military if you don’t like this. You’ll get in trouble for others uncontrollable actions all the time. 😂
Their idea that you are responsible for every single one of potentially millions of people you have never met, on how could they interpret your content is insane. Also, it is completely one-sided if one of Ethan Klein's fans hears him wishing for something terrible to happen to the NRA or the Catholic Church and acts upon it, none of those people who advocate for this would demand Ethan to go to jail.
I watched Ethan Klein for years and because of his influence I am now fat. He should claim responsibility for this.
i dunno man there are some people who take "influencer responsibility" to the extreme and might actually advocate for that. it's kinda insane.
This is exactly what the PMRC tried to do in America, or the video nasties list in the UK.. Parents trying to sue musical artists like Judas Priest for their kid asserting a specific meaning in the lyrics and tried to blow their head off and survived, and he went along with the suit. Columbine with Marilyn Mason and KMFDM. Humans have been doing it for ages for all sorts of reasons but a major identifier is religion or cultural beliefs. People just as equally need to accept history repeats itself, so we're going to keep encountering this.. Many jut had hoped we could get past it eventually but, the same issue with justice and blame is everywhere now because of the various political and cultural systems and elites battling in the US now.
Yeah
@Lelwani ~ I think you must have had that effect on him too. 🤣
The "you are responsible for your audience" argument is just the "violent video games causes violence in real life" argument for zoomers
Best way I’ve heard it put honestly lmao
How is it even remotely the same thing?
It's absolutely not the same thing lmao
Yeah Zoomers is becoming the new boomers with how scarily similar they both are when it comes to personal responsibility and censorship lol
Your responsible for the way your audience thinks, not what your fans do individually. You put content out there as "news" or "information", you're actively campaigning to influence the way that person thinks about a situation. That's why you have all of these fake crocodile tear UA-camrs getting their fans to be their white knights.
Take the Etika and Keemstar situation, for example. Keemstars fans bullied Etika into suicide... KEEMSTAR is an oftentimes offensive individual who attracts the attention of trolls/assholes. HIS CONTENT DEFINITELY influenced a lot of people, you're not responsible for the audience's actions but you are responsible for their feelings/opinion/behavior toward things, and a lot of kids/teens get on UA-cam and their minds absorb everything their favorite influencer tells them
Ludwig: "I'm not your Dad, I'm not your friend, I don't know you."
Also Ludwig: "I'm gonna act like your Dad and feel I should take responsibility."
Which is it Ludwig? Because if you are my Dad we could really use that milk you said you were going to get all those years ago.
If one of his fans was arrested for a DUI he should serve their sentence
I don't think anyone ever accidentally claimed Ludwig to be intelligent
pretty sure he used that double speak to omit him of any wrong doing
e.g. fan commits crime -> I said I wasn't your friend so that isn't my problem,
e.g. streamer accuses ludwig of having bad audience -> I'm trying my best
It’s almost like they only want the benefits of being the subject of parasocial relationships without any of the downsides. How about that shit?
For real though, the egos on these streamers are immense, but I guess that’s what happens when you give random 20 year olds massive success and adoration from teenagers. It’s not surprising to me that they would try to game the system they’re a part of, it’s just annoying to see people be so openly self-righteous, believing that they are responsible for controlling their viewers’ actions, while simultaneously arguing that they dislike parasocial relationships with their viewers.
If Ludwig was my dad I'd end my entire bloodline.
Shoe's politics are whatever her boyfriend at the time believes
Don't let her fans read this
Rip my boy HaloCE 😔
Women tend to do this quite often.
@@Stereo-hb2loWhat do you mean, like women shouldn't vote, or ShoeOnHead fans shouldn't vote?
@@jackmehoff8392 Maybe stupid women.
I was an inncocent 43 year old before I found this channel. Now I am a member of the mythic dawn cult because of the actions of a certain Thomas Dark.
Are you actually older than Tom? I ask because I am and I always just find it really laughable that people think creators only attract kids or like I’m going to be influenced in some meaningful way.
Ah based Mythic Dawn Chad
@@WithDiameter Both myself and my wife are older than Tom, we don't necessarily seek his content out but are happy to have a watch if it happens to come up.
I watched Count Dankula once, and now I'm the head of the House of Telvanni.
The dawn greets the new day brother
I can't believe the dude that wrote the catcher in the rye personally controlled someone into killing John Lennon. Wild. Someone should really hold them accountable!
The author was really upset that guy decided to read his book after killing John Lennon. I think he even said, "Why my book?"
@@karakreativevlog hate that they did my man salinger like that :(
That point does the opposite of supporting your argument, this is incredibly odd
@@karakreativevlogSuch a mid book too.
Ludwig will go after anyone with a lower sub-count than him.
I have legit never seen him say anything bad about someone adjacent/above him.
Absolute climber.
Lud used to be cool. I used to follow him back in the melee scene with slime and when he started to become a streamer. It went downhill around 2020. Now he hangs with some shitty streamers and has learned part of their personalities
@@R1gBoN3Gamingwhen he sticks to his genre of content it's some entertaining stuff, but i don't need a frenchmen to be my morality police
Everytime idupz says "human Beings", I get this weird dehumanizing feeling. Why do LA people talk so oddly
Because they aren't people. (LA "people")
Drugs
Scientologists believe they're extraterrestrial starchildren, which is why they talk down to the human chattel beneath them.
Delusion and politics
"if you make content, you're responsible for everything all of your fans do" is an insane take. what other kind of media is like that? if you watch a spider man movie then jump off a building, who's fault is that? the directors? no.
Only jump off buildings if you have a web shooter
@@thehyperion5333 true
I'm pretty sure a lot of people don't think that. As a content creator. YOU'RE responsible for the MINDSET people have to make bad/good decisions. Lie and say it's not true.
@@NACtheMC no you aren't lmao
That's literally not the argument that's being made
Keep in mind, the man saying “you are responsible for what your audience does” he and Ludwig made a ad telling their fans to double down when gambling
I have clogged every toilet in every fast food provider in my city because of a joke Tom said 3 years ago.
Actual Chad
Did you piss in the sinks too?
Omg that was you?!?
I think Tom should pay for the damages
8:21 this guy absolutely nails it. People use the “you saved my life” thing way too liberally and I think it’s just for attention, it’s super silly.
Can confirm, I said it 10 years ago about a person I idolized and it was literally before I was on meds and in therapy LOL. I said it because I wanted to find people to relate to my issues and like the things I like. It's a veiled misery-loves-company thing, and only people with a God complex will believe they have an influence over every single person's individual lives. We're people with our own personalities, sometimes we just suck, or sometimes we feel inspired to finally make a better decision that we were likely going to make at some point anyway.
This is exactly it!
Back in 2016 I was suicidal because my life was in tatters and I felt like nothing was gonna get better. However I tried to look at the positives of life and certain content creators did help me see the good side to life but would I say they "Saved my life"? No way, my life was saved not only by my own actions but also by the real-life people I knew that went out of their way to help me. To claim somebody across the pond that doesn't even know of my existence "saved my life" is asinine. Yeah they helped with passing the time but they didn't save me.
It is a reddit thing to say.
@@TheGamersState correct and I’m glad you’re feeling better! I was suicidal as well and I pulled myself out of it with work and dedication. Stay well brotha!
It's amazing. He scored a touchdown but then called for a redo so he could fumble at the 1.
Nobody is fully responsible for the actions of their fanbase.
Agreed
Has anyone made that argument though? If so that is absurd but they of course have some responsibility
Not even partially
@@dustyyshellz1320 no. That's absurd. We're adults here come on grow up
@@dan5609 what do you mean, if you direct your audience to do something you’re absolutely responsible in some part for actions they take or if they push a hurtful agenda you espouse to them
Disagree* in response to the guy saying they’re 100% responsible because of course you aren’t for anything someone in your audience might do
The argument that a creator is responsible for their audience is no different than the argument from years ago that violent movies and video games produce mass murderers. Its unfounded, its unsound, its moronic, and its used as a way to stifle the expression of potential politically opposing views from commentary creators who might have a take on a situation that's considered "wrong think".
Its a broken system of logic that forces a creator to forfeit their right to expression for fear that some idiot who follows them will do or say something stupid and that event being traced back to the creator who can then be openly discredited and ostracized. Its 100% politically driven and 80% of that idea is being enforced by left leaning creators atm. Thank you Tom for keeping your channel pretty much apolitical and bringing the logic home. Keep calling out morons no matter what side they lean. We got you.
Really good analogy & absolutely correct imo.
Real as hell
It's been a hot minute since I've seen anyone on the left who's just "leaning"; but your point still stands.
Exactly. It's a tactic to try and guilt trip you into never wanting to criticize them or point out their problems by exploiting your good will.
It's basically "Bad thing happened to us by stupid bad person because you kept pointing out our bad behavior! Stop doing that or your bad person who wants more of these bad things to happen! You don't to be labeled bad person, do you!!?"
Someone who does this is NOT in any shape or position to go labeling who's "good" or "bad" and isn't someone you should allow to make you feel bad just for brining up a criticism. I assure you.
Don't forget the "Ozzy Osbourne caused us to kill ourselves" and subliminal messages in records they were touting before that.
No one is responsible for their own actions anymore.
This is 100% an attempt to make it easier to de-platform opposition. Wouldn't it be nice if you could de-platform someone you don't like because a member of their audience crossed a line, especially if they've successfully dissected one of your strong arguments? That would be a really handy tool, for some.
There is
NO SUCH THING
as "Muh Audience Responsibility".
EVERYONE is responsible for their own actions.
Based
Why is the idea of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY so foreign to people today
Because it suggests that they can be wrong or make bad judgments and some people can't handle that reality.
It's easier to be a victim
@@tripplejaz In fact, our current society glorifies that.
@@dorugoramon0518 It's primarily social media. Social media companies profit off of attention-seeking and narcissistic behavior, so they encourage it with their apps.
That's why society has been shifting into how it is now.
@@ZarHakkar Legitimately, I agree. This is a weird thing to relate it to, but more than any other media: You see it extremely, extremely severely in roleplay communities, like, RP servers, games, sims, forums, discords, etc.
In the early 2000s, people were very loose and liberal with their characters, pretty much no one really considered a 'character' to be part of the player, and often things like out of character communication was banned or extremely discouraged. These were RP spaces, and they should only be violated for things like 'fuck I need to afk there's a medical emergency' in real time roleplays.
More then that, it was expected your characters would die and be replaced. It wasn't uncommon for some groups to enforce 'age' death so say, you only had a year to play a character before they 'died of old age' or 'retired' or whatever. The idea was your character was separate from you and the story was not about you.
Then, in the 2010s, it shifted first to tumblr's 'egos' and 'muses' in which OCs/Original characters turned into more like 'sacred expressions of self', and became much more sensitive, characters became more permanent, rather than disposable (and sometimes iterative) they were more clearly part of the self. But still usually separate, often kept clean by community 'fun' RP games like playing someone else's character, or playing a character from a show rather than your character, or your character 'if X had changed them'
Then, now? Culture has again changed dramatically. For the first time in memory, as I've RPed way too long since I was young kid in the early 00s, now? You have people upset at the idea tehy should not *play themself* and confusion at the idea of 'sona play' and debating why wish-fulfillment and powergaming is a bad idea in a sandbox community roleplay environment. (Where, hint, no one is a main character, as there are...hundreds of players, minimum.)
That second Ludwig clip was painful to watch. He is literally making his audience have a parasocial relationship with him. Disgusting
I'm not even surprised that there are people who are blaming creators/influencers/whatever for the actions of their fans. We are living in times where people are literally treated like children. They are doing everything they can to put the blame for their actions on someone else... If we would follow that logic we could put majority of big influencers in jail because there will be always someone dumb who will do stupid/illegal things.
don't use the word dumb. Some of those people are extremely intelligent and smart, but lack morals or have wrong morals or some other issue
Tom. You need to take responsibility for my problems. I watch your channels, therefore everything I do and have ever done falls on you. That's just the way it works.
Your arch nemesis has quit UA-cam
😱
@@upon.my.liars.chair. you
Who?
I love how they never define a criteria for what this "responsibility" looks like. Responsibility according to who's standards?
It's usually those sitting on an audience of cancel culture freaks too, who act in ways that is greater levels of harassment than what they typically talk about.
Why did i have to see Boxxy in 2023
You should just ban people under 18 from your server. I don’t have discord but it sounds deplorable and not having children messaging you is probably a good decision
real. discord is no place for children
what's stopping me from just saying I'm 18 when I'm not
@@WalkerTheSpy Ironically, banning under 18s from your server might make it safer for any actual children who stay in the server because if you knowingly allow under 18s then groomers might come in to specifically cause an "incident". Ultimately if anything does happen it's on the parents for allowing their kids to access social media but generally speaking I think most people would rather avoid catching any flak in the vent something does happen.
its funny how idubbz cant comprehend that maybe his fans did that only to him because he would understand the joke. Its like walking up to any youtuber and saying an inside joke from their channel. (the only example I can think of right now is Coop772 and asking him if the AR-15 has an N-Strike barrel lug or something like that). They will reflect the behavior in your videos not because they are actually like that, but because you understand the humor in it, unlike a random person.
Imagine if Marilyn Manson came out and was like "hey, guys. They were right. Columbine WAS my fault. I'm taking my old music off of spotify."
I really dislike the fact that people see this "you are responsible for your audience" situation as black and white - it's really not.
If you cultivated a very toxic audience, I think that says a lot about you as a content creator, and in some way you are responsible for creating that environment, but at the same time, you're still not directly responsible for their actions (unless you told them to do X).
That's my honest take on it.
Yeah literally this. Like you can't personally watch over every individual but 'trends' are a thing for a reason. If you notice a specific type of people are predominantly in your audience, it *does* mean you're cultivating that type of environment, unintentionally or no, so sometimes addressing it will push those people away, *but that's all you can do, though*
This is an extreme example, but think about some of the mass shooters we've had and when research is done into who they were following/watching or who helped them shape these beliefs, there's a specific type of figurehead that will pop up most times than not. While they themselves are not directly responsible for pulling the trigger (obviously) they should look into what type of environment/ideology they might be festering with their content (I'm obviously talking about media figureheads outside of UA-cam but similar type of logic).
If I got a toxic audience right? That is my envorinment a inside joke in my discord server, in my youtube channel, my twitch.
Once they get out of it that is on them I never said to go off and do dumbshit do X or do Y. That is just stupid it is a whole "Work Mask, social mask, family mask" thing.
Tom please father my kids
Anyone can watch you and that's not your fault.
Anyone who tries to blame someone for the people who watch them doesn't understand how people work.
It’s simple: the bigger the audience the bigger the responsibility. At a certain point though, there’s only so much you can do. Some people are just here to cause chaos and you can’t really stop that.
That is the dumbest take I've ever heard, congrats, by your logic ima be a fan of you, then go do a terrible crime and blame it on you and you better take responsibility
If that's the case, then Bollywood idol Amir Khan must be personally responsible for the Indian rape epidemic. Or is that perhaps not actually how that works?
Tom my man you literally saved my life :))))) it's crazy how you never talk about charging into that burning building and dragging every animal, man, woman, and child out AND THEN helping the fire fighters put the fire out. You're my hero Tom!!!
Was it a library? He could have literary literally saved you!
They're content creators not babysitters.
At the end of the day everyone will do what they will do regardless of the content creators.
It's the video games are the cause of violence argument all over again history repeating itself in a funny way once again.
Individuals are responsible for their own actions. A person cannot be responsible for most of the people they know, let alone the people that they don't.
My take:
You’re only responsible for your audience if you tell them to do something. If not, you have no control over their actions and how they respond to the content you make.
I will clog the Chick-fil-A bathroom in the name of turkey tom 😂
I really really hate this era of the internet where you need to be verbally abused and berrated if you even so much as say the word "retard" online, like fr get a life. Go outside someday and realize you cant control everything someone does or says that doesnt match your humor/thought style/sense of humor. If you see someone use language or humor you think is offensive, take a deep long breath and turn your phone off.
The influence discussion makes sense if you’re a philosopher or political scientist, not if you’re a person that does stuff for internet views.
There's a difference between "keeping tabs on every single audience member" and inciting teenagers to do violence against a person or group knowingly, knowing ppl are going to get hurt, and doing nothing to try and stop that from happening. ESPECIALLY when your audience is young. The creator isn't to blame, but having the forethought to not give directions to an audience you know to contain bad actors is important. You're a good example. You give your opinions, based on evidence you share, and leave it on that, and you discourage harassment. I think that's enough
facts
You're right. We all completely forgot about the time JD Salinger _explicitly instructed_ his readers to go shoot British pop stars for promoting secularism.
I love one of the things you had to say in here, something to the effect of "I have much more respect for the person who has the worst opinions but very strong reasons for believing them than the person with the best opinions who has the worst reasons for believing in them."
I've been espousing this idea for such a long time and this is the first instance in which I've heard it said by anyone who wasn't some kind of philospher. I think it's a really important concept that isn't taught in school unfortunately, but then again if it was my choice everyone would be forced to learn ethics and game theory before middle-school.
Shoe on head is not radical at all. She is also left wing. People are wild acting like she of all people radicalized them
Shoe is awesome and one of the least radical people EVER
She used to be center/center-right and made a lot of videos making fun of dumb SJWs (which is a good thing)
@@chucksfeedandseed Who do you consider to be a good leftie?
saying you're responsible for what your audience does implies you have total control over them. These people are such narcissists, and they don't even realize they're outing themselves to the world
Remember when Michael Jackson released The Way You Make Me Feel, and we had an epidemic of teenage boys chasing girls in alleys yelling "HOOOO HEEHEE"? Because I don't.
😂
Even Josh tells his audience not to idolize him and have a para-social relationship with him. As he said it best, He's literally some guy. The parasocial superchats he gets on MATI are weird.
It really is fucking telling about the whole thing of "audience responcibility" when Josh, the *literal father of Kiwi Farms* , is telling his own audience not to have a parasocial relationship with him.
Also, nice profile picture. Where'd you get it?
This was such an awesome take on the matter. This “I’m going to apologize for these people” culture is so cringe.
A thing I've talked to my psychologist about more than once is accountability and whether or not something is within my "circle" of control. It's literally called "Circles of Control" as a psychological concept and it goes something like this - The circle of control, a small circle, representing me and what I have control over; my thoughts, my actions. A larger circle encasing the former circle, which represent my circle of influence; how people react to my actions, their thoughts, my commitments, things like who I voted for. And a third, even larger circle - the circle of concern, things of which I have no control over, like traffic, the weather, wars/geopolitical problems and even our own past.
The reason I bring this up is because these days, a lot of regressive lefties and remotely political content creators have completely forgotten that an individual is an individual, regardless of what kind of politics they consume, the content they consume as entertainment, their job or their mental illness etc. They think everyone should be held accountable for something that is outside of their individual control, like idubbbz saying he's responsible for his old fanbase (the ones that liked his "edgy" content when he said the N and F slur frequently) and he somehow has to atone for his past - things that are outside of his control.
There's nothing a content creator can do to prevent their viewerbase from doing XYZ in their name or reacting to their content because the viewerbase are individuals in control of their own reaction.
Stop making people feel like they have to atone for something that is outside of their control. Let the sins of the past stay in the past. Let people grow and change as persons. Cancel culture is helping no one, it only adds stress to our already stressful lives. The purity spiral is consuming all until you cannot apologize for something hard enough unless you self-delete and even then, people will screech that you self-deleted because you're a bad person.
More and more people are diagnosed with an array of mental health issues like personality disorders, more and more people break down crying or worse when some dingbat online decides to attempt cancelation of them over a tweet they sent five years ago. It's time to stop.
Unless you are inciting or encouraging toxic behavior of your audience, you can't be responsible for the stupidity of someone else
This is why you're my best friend you always have such good takes. ILY bestie
I see this comment right as he says “if you have 10,000 viewers one of them is bound to be unhinged”
@@PositiveVibes-lw7gl challenge accepted 😎
@@PositiveVibes-lw7gl yeah we are besties ofcourse he is gonna mention me in his vids :)
@@PassThePurp945 your profile picture 😂😂
@@PositiveVibes-lw7gl 🫡🤝
It’s so insanely narcissistic and conceited to think you’re the “mother” of your audience and have any control over their actions. iDubbbz is ridiculously full of himself if he thinks that and so is anyone else lol and I wouldn’t be surprised if people who think like that are pretty authoritarian deep down tbh. The fact iDubbbz thinks he “caused a lot of damage” makes me laugh every time like what a dork :D
He’s not narcissistic for understanding that he provided an argument to justify racism and bigotry and it was viewed over 30 million times and clearly impacted how often people used the slur…
I would agree with you if he didn’t directly make an argument justifying the use of the n word lmao
@@alythiasplaylist4425but the issue is these people already felt that. Idubbz isn't the creator of thoughts like that lol
@@alythiasplaylist4425he verbalized something people already felt
@@alythiasplaylist4425 He didn't provide any argument to justify anything. He recited something George Carlin did on stage much better and years before he had been born, which btw isn't "justifying racism" but I know how much you wanna hang onto your special word.
You’re so ridiculously well-adjusted and not just for your age but in general
Chudwig shouldn't be taken seriously, none of these people should.
The 2 things I do get about the “you saved me”
1. They wanted to get the entertainers attention
2. They probably had a lot going on, some do need a distraction, Ludwig might’ve been the only one at the time for those people because *maybe* no entertainment got them interested
I get that it wasn’t necessarily Ludwig’s fault for ‘helping’ that singular person but he still did help.
Like every kind of entertainment helps people through rough times, aswell as suicidal times. But you just can’t forget that when going through those times you’re weak, and everyone can basically manipulate people into doing anything. (Adin Ross) You can even see it with the huge amount of cults existing
fantastic take man, honestly. - This is a very important topic to discuss..
I've been thinking like that for years now. You gotta be careful with how much of actual responsibility you want to put onto your fanbase and make sure to know where to draw the line between what is still entertainment and what is not.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who still don't quite get it and content creators who put too much pressure on themselves because of that
what's understated is the effect audiences have on creators
views, likes and subscriber counts influence what content creators make, especially if the creators wanna be highly successful and popular
The truest take. I’d bet that about every creator who believes they have responsibility for their audiences behavior happens to have an audience full of people that can’t take full responsibility for their OWN behavior
you are not responsible for your audience
You’re right Tom. I very much do appreciate that you make these videos.💪🏾
Tom dark influenced me to drive drunk like the Alpha i am thanks tom.
I just dont understand how people can believe these parasocial relationships are real or meaningful in any way, it boggles the mind sometimes.
With that said, I wanna say thanks to Daddy Tom for teaching me how I should think and feel about any given topic, especially this one. If it wasnt for your videos Idk how I would get through my lonely meaningless existence every day, they are a beacon of hope for all mankind. You've been such a good friend to me throughout these tough years, so here a $1. When you read my super chat it'll be my only human interaction for the day and it's like we're having a real conversation, how cool!!! P.S. I cant believe what happened to you last week, I wish I could be there to comfort and console you and help you get through this rough patch, but unfortunately we live so far apart, 1246 miles to be exact, maybe some day tho, in the mean time heres another $1, hope it helps the medicine go down!!! I'll see ya at vidcon, take care homie!
You perfectly articulated exactly how I felt about these things and even gave me some insight. I completely agree that these Twitter users love playing victim and they would put the blame for their wrongdoings on others for no reason.
This is a great video, honestly. Important and I’m glad you were able to explain it so well.
As a fellow Tomboy, I agree with everything Tom said. 🙏
Internet Ajay has made his last farewell movie. He also called you out for saying the N-word in 2021 and called you cringe and toxic. He did you dirty, as well as calling you a leech. It would only feel right to respond to his graduation from the internet.
Now this I gotta see lmao.
22 minutes of entertainment consumed, and on with my day
Tom, you are a good influence on UA-cam. Keep up the good work.
Person in power definetly has some forms of responsibility, and always if they make any call-to-action
Not even gonna lie I've been watching ShoeOnHead since middle school and I'm turning 22 next month. It's definitely a guilty pleasure but I do really enjoy the content and find it funny that she basically pisses off every corner of the internet bc her beliefs don't align perfectly into one faction
Translation: I've been simping for a boxxy lookalike political grifter for the past decade.
Same.
Shoe is wonderful. Only egirl that is genuinely funny
@@poruks7745 that clip of Sneako being so mad that he couldn't stop laughing at her jokes was hilarious
@@poruks7745 This, funny waman, how rare is that.
Creators have zero effect on how I conduct myself.
Im really glad that you don't go for clickbait tittle like pyro or moist critikal goes for, and you don't hype that much of the talk, you go for it, i grew up acostumed that people on this webside don't put that much effort into making videos, but when someone out there wants to create good content it shows in the quality and personality, maturity and creativity
Poor shoe, the socialist who doesn't fit in.
talk about a fire vid 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Honestly, i feel like Tom is the one creator i have that i really only agree with 50% of the time but i still enjoy every video be makes.
I had a crazy idea - how about adults take responsibility for themselves?!
Bet if one of H3’s fans blew up the NRA building people in his audience and all these people saying you’re responsible for everyone who could ever stumble across your content would instantly change their opinions even though he straight up said you should go out and do it to all his viewers. They’d probably say that he’s not responsible for it and that he was just joking and that the person who did it took it to far.
They would probably celebrate, honestly.
Tom with the W take and still able to retain humor. you got a bright future ahead of you birdbrain.🦃💪 (no sarcasm intended)
tom has some of the best takes i hear on youtube
RIP Ted Kaczynski
istg most of these people where saying "youre not responsible for what your fans do as theyre an individual" or somethin like that when dreams fans where out of control and sending death threats to everybody but all of sudden the creator is now responsible?!?
Great vid Tom ! I agree 100% with you.
Hey Tom, you're a pretty smart guy. The way you talk and explain things are level headed, straight to the point and intelligently worded. I like to hear your opinion on things
idk but everytime i see a twitch chat next to someone’s face i immediately wanna go Patrick Bateman on ‘em.Especially with Hasan.
based
You should care about your conduct in the sense to not get banned or direct hatred onto people. This happened with Leafy's content since he would callously make fun of nobodies online and the losers that watched him would harass people. But I never really got this from iDubbbz. It never felt angrily hateful, the purpose was to laugh. Feeling like you shouldn't do or have done a certain thing is cool but I don't care for how overdramatic some people are
Yeah, that's what turkey meant when he said he does bow to UA-cam and doesn't wanna make things hard for them. It's not because he feels bad for his audience being trash, it's because he has to do certain things in order to not get banned.
Tom playing banjo kazooie is so wholesome
I see Tom as mail man who screams news through the crack in my window
Pewdiepie wasn’t responsible for Breton Tarrant’s hatred for Muslims. He saw Anissa’s only fans and that was how it all started.
LOL HOLY SHIT
It's such a strange idea that you as an individual need to take responsibility for the actions of potentially millions of people, because they're a fan of yours. Considering that all of those potential millions of people won't just be fans of that singular person, are all of the other people they're fans of share in the same responsibility, all at the same time?
That diverge my balls line made me laugh so god damned hard. Immediate like
trying to make a creator responsible for their audience's behaviors is about the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard.
cant wait to see tom cook ajay ☠
The day an entertainer is responsible for their audience is the day comedy dies.
Thank you Tom for saving me,
from boredom
Tom really cranks out content like network tv i swear.
Its a really good thing. So im jealous
the young idubbbz would 100% roast the current idubbbz for being so c**ked
Thumbnail had me rock hard
I am loving the Banjo-Kazooie background music bro. Please keep using it
why is this on coffeezilla's traders domain playlist 💀
Asking the same thing
With the way UA-cam is lately. He was probably trying to save it on his Watch Later playlist or another playlist and when he pressed the button the video got saved on the last playlist he used
The ironic world we live in that the same people who bashed the right for saying video games causes violence are now agreeing with them, as well as sexism and racism. We as a society are really that scared to take some accountability, it takes a miracle for most people to admit that they were wrong and that it’s their own fault for whatever…and yet the same people bash others for not doing just that. How does that even work?