Real Letters from the Roman Front Lines - What Do They Say? DOCUMENTARY

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  • A documentary on the letters from the Roman Front Lines. For 21 FREE meals with HelloFresh plus free shipping, use code INVICTA21 at bit.ly/3IQrwgq
    We continue our Live History series which seeks to use reenactment to bring the past to life. This was made possible thanks to the awesome team at Imperium Romanum: / imperiumromanumyt
    Additional clips were purchased through Pond5 which features the reenactment groups "Nova Polaris" and "Veteres Milites Sibiu"
    In this history documentary we explore the process by which Roman soldiers kept in touch with their families and friends. We begin by broadly discussing literacy rates and how one would go about writing a letter in the first place. This involves looking at things like papyrus scrolls, ink pens, and scribes.
    We then turn our attention about the way in which these letters were sent across the Roman Empire. This took the form of both public and private couriers. The former consisted primarily of the Cursus Publicus which used a relay of riders to deliver messages across the Empire at incredibly fast speeds. The latter relied primarily on merchants who criss-crossed the Empire at their own pace.
    And finally we look at the contents of these Roman letters. This is done by quoting select examples which have been recovered at sites such as Vindolanda in England and Oxyrhnychus in Egypt.
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    Credits:
    Research = Chris Das Neves
    Script = Chris Das Neves
    Narration = Guy Michaels
    Reenactment = Imperium Romanum, Veteres Milites Sibiu
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 521

  • @InvictaHistory
    @InvictaHistory  Рік тому +140

    Hope you all enjoy this look at the more human aspect of history. If you like this sort of content then I recommend you check out Imperium Romanum who has been our partner for this series. While they are on a brief hiatus at the moment I've been told they are working on several videos right now! www.youtube.com/@ImperiumRomanumYT

    • @Nitya-001
      @Nitya-001 Рік тому +2

      Amazing

    • @brokenbridge6316
      @brokenbridge6316 Рік тому +2

      This was a curious look into what it was like for a Roman soldier to write a letter. Nice video.

    • @brettbaker5599
      @brettbaker5599 Рік тому +1

      Imperium Romanum is awesome!

    • @Godwinsname
      @Godwinsname Рік тому +1

      So valuable! Thanks!

    • @kellus68lee
      @kellus68lee Рік тому +1

      Enjoyed this story! That last guys letter was great.

  • @Matt-cz6ti
    @Matt-cz6ti Рік тому +693

    I love how trivial some of the stuff in the Vindolanda Tablets is. “I need fresh socks”, “Please come to my birthday party”, “Can I please have some time off to visit Eburacum?”
    People are people, no matter what century

    • @jamesblackwell2067
      @jamesblackwell2067 Рік тому +93

      I saw a documentary about Egypt once and they found some 5000 year old clay tablets that were used as letters, in them were things like shopping lists, love letters, poetry, basically the same stuff as in this video. I found it pretty amazing that humans really dont change all that much, even after 5000 years and in a totally different environment, our values remain the same

    • @current9300
      @current9300 Рік тому +121

      I've heard that there are some Viking era ruins in Britain with wall carvings, and some of the carvings left of the walls is literally stuff like "I love Ingiborg she has huge tits". People are indeed people.

    • @Matt-cz6ti
      @Matt-cz6ti Рік тому +103

      @@current9300 There are Norse runes in the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul, up near the ceiling, which read “This is very high”

    • @ukeyaoitrash2618
      @ukeyaoitrash2618 Рік тому +37

      @@current9300 Cultured viking 😌

    • @Feezec
      @Feezec Рік тому +58

      my favorite was "btw we're out of beer"

  • @cristhianramirez6939
    @cristhianramirez6939 Рік тому +182

    Apolinarius letter is so wholesome, caring for his mom and the rest of his family. Hopefully he saw his mother again and lived a long and peaceful life

    • @Nellis202
      @Nellis202 Рік тому +23

      Hopefully he saw his mother again …….. exactly what I was thinking.

    • @SpartanLeonidas1821
      @SpartanLeonidas1821 Рік тому +11

      Greeks are still that way! 🤣

  • @davidcervantes9336
    @davidcervantes9336 Рік тому +333

    - General: Brothers, what we say in life, echoes in eternity.
    - The echo: I need fresh socks 🧦. 😩

    • @renerpho
      @renerpho Рік тому +19

      Some things never change.

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 Рік тому +27

      p.s we're all out of booze. We... lost it?

    • @toddharig8142
      @toddharig8142 Рік тому +24

      Damn socks, no matter how many you buy you never have enough.

    • @CH-vv2hr
      @CH-vv2hr Рік тому +1

      we all do

    • @robertjones7419
      @robertjones7419 Рік тому +5

      Shouldn’t a people know when they are conquered..? Would you Quintus..? Would I..?

  • @carsoncasmirri3874
    @carsoncasmirri3874 Рік тому +468

    While I was in the US Marine Corps I really took it for granted the fact I got to call my folks once a week. My grandfather was stationed on the same island I was on and he barely got to write let alone phone. It makes you appreciate what you have and it’s nice to know that the ones who came before you were much the same as you are.

    • @BichaelStevens
      @BichaelStevens Рік тому

      @Danny Al not the place to be a sarcastic ass

    • @ben7837
      @ben7837 Рік тому +19

      Thank you for your service man! I just enlisted in the United States Navy as a Seabee, and I go to bootcamp next month

    • @FD-nz7qv
      @FD-nz7qv Рік тому +2

      When I was in bootcamp, we got 1 phone call in Christmas at 5am.

    • @cherylsmith4826
      @cherylsmith4826 Рік тому +2

      @@ben7837 good luck & sending prayers. Be well 🙏

    • @miliba
      @miliba Рік тому +1

      Which island, Okinawa?

  • @ManiusCuriusDenatus
    @ManiusCuriusDenatus Рік тому +307

    I teach U.S History and a small section of one of my units is about archaeology. My students exam artifacts and have to figure out what they are, describe them, etc. I use a mix of photos and old technology (floppy disks and such.) The bonus item is one of the Vindolanda tablets (b-day) and I offer a whole class prize if they get it. I was safe for 10+ years until one of my students last year looked at them, smiled, and asked me if they were from Vindolanda. I was completely shocked and I said yes. I teach five different U.S. History classes every year (100+ students), and no one had ever guessed it. His father worked for the state dept, and had lived in the UK for years. He and his family had gone to the fortress the previous year. That whole class was treated to bakery cookies.

    • @DiaperGranny11
      @DiaperGranny11 Рік тому +20

      As a fellow teacher (English), that is an amazing assignment!

    • @dallaspope8731
      @dallaspope8731 Рік тому +10

      Took a screenshot and sent to my wife! (World history teacher). Pretty rad lesson.

    • @thebiologist8662
      @thebiologist8662 Рік тому +4

      I'm curious as to why none of your students have ever attempted to use google lens to find them. Something famous will be easily recognized by the app.

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 Рік тому +5

      I quite like an American knows all about a sleepy little village in the north of my own country.

    • @ManiusCuriusDenatus
      @ManiusCuriusDenatus Рік тому +5

      @@thebiologist8662 What I show them is a photo of the tablet and they analyze it and try and figure out what it is. Since it is Roman cursive they mix it up with Asian scripts. Occasionally I have heard Greek, but no one ever figured what they actually were until last year. I don't reveal they are from Vindolanda so they do not have that frame of reference. Not at least till the end and I explain the story and what they are looking at is a bday invite. Brings home that people of the past did similar things to us and people are people. Adjusts their perspective.

  • @davidschafer1356
    @davidschafer1356 Рік тому +225

    2k years later and people still talk about the same issues, troubles wants and needs. Thank you guys for this amazing video about our past.

    • @mitch8072
      @mitch8072 Рік тому +10

      time changes, people dont

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 Рік тому +14

      Which reminds me, I'm out of beer...

    • @swedhgemoni8092
      @swedhgemoni8092 Рік тому +4

      Our core needs will always be the same.

    • @r.c.l2569
      @r.c.l2569 Рік тому +2

      Nothing new under the sun.

  • @desmond-hawkins
    @desmond-hawkins Рік тому +134

    Fascinating! Some of these really make you wonder about their lives and priorities. The letter about carrying the standard felt like they mainly wanted to complain about being out of beer but didn't think it would be appropriate as the main topic, so they had to come up with something else. Like "hey I want to make sure we get this right, should all of us carry the flag tomorrow or just half of us? also I almost forgot, we're out of beer."

    • @jamesabestos2800
      @jamesabestos2800 Рік тому +2

      Ough walking is such a treachery anyways, Why hasn't pious sent me a letter yet!??!?!

  • @davidblair9877
    @davidblair9877 Рік тому +160

    I remember one WWII veteran, when asked to describe his experience, told the interviewer “war is 99% boredom and 1% sheer unmitigated terror.”

    • @druidriley3163
      @druidriley3163 Рік тому +10

      War always is.

    • @AGTheOSHAViolationsCounter
      @AGTheOSHAViolationsCounter Рік тому +2

      The age old combination of the orders, "Hurry up and wait" and "MOVE! MOVE! FORWARD YOU BASTARDS!" While contrary to a popular saying from a certain now failed game franchise. "War.....War FREQUENTLY changes, sometimes drastically so. However the beat? That at times thundering heartbeat of war? That always seems to stay the same."

    • @Andy_Babb
      @Andy_Babb 5 місяців тому +2

      Depends on the unit. My grandfather was in the 9th infantry and saw over a years worth of days of action. From North Africa to Sicily, and then Normandy straight through to Berlin.

  • @jonbaxter2254
    @jonbaxter2254 Рік тому +293

    I like how the oldest letter in Britain was from Vindolanda, and it was a birthday party invite. The more things change...

    • @garyfrancis6193
      @garyfrancis6193 Рік тому +20

      Where and when? I’m thinking of going. I might be a little late.

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 Рік тому +18

      @@garyfrancis6193 I think you missed the date by... almost 2,000 years. But Vindolanda still stands! And it's amazing.

  • @keshhan6412
    @keshhan6412 Рік тому +55

    "I beg you then, mother, look after yourself and do not worry about me..." My goodness! How I want to know what happened to Apollinarius and his beloved mother. Did he ever find his way back home? Was he reunited with his loved ones? Did life turn out well for him regardless?
    But especially poor Aurelius Polion, I hope he was reunited with his family, it's concerning that he hasn't heard from them.

  • @tangodroid
    @tangodroid Рік тому +112

    "I salute all who love you" what a beautiful expression.
    Great video, will like more of this style.

    • @Nick-rs5if
      @Nick-rs5if Рік тому +22

      I do really love that expression. It's just beautiful. ☺
      Imagine if they could fathom thousands of people reading their letters, over 2000 years in the future.

  • @wesleyfilms
    @wesleyfilms Рік тому +63

    Unanswered letters, socks as gifts, and requests for beer.
    There truly is nothing new under the sun.

  • @omarmyousry
    @omarmyousry Рік тому +67

    I like how letters haven't really changed all that much throughout the centuries.
    It's still "I hope this email finds you well," "how would you like us to proceed with this task?," and "best regards" but in different wording according to the era. So fascinating.

    • @MihaiRUdeRO
      @MihaiRUdeRO Рік тому +20

      My favourite is “btw please send beer, we’re out”

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 Рік тому +17

      @@MihaiRUdeRO No but seriously, I hope those legionnaires got their booze.

  • @user-oy8dl1er5h
    @user-oy8dl1er5h Рік тому +41

    I really feel for the last soldier. I know all too well what it means to be so far away from home, not knowing whether you'll see your family and friends again. Sometimes you were homesick almost to the point of tears. Not receiving any letters from the people you love really fucks your mind up as you are away. I hope whatever issue he or his family encountered during their correspondence got cleared up eventually. Their letters probably got lost along the way or were sent to the wrong place. Happened to me in bootcamp

    • @jurassicpeter
      @jurassicpeter Рік тому +14

      Imagine telling him that thousands of years later millions of people would hear his words and feel for him.
      Its amazing how you can feel for someone who's been dead for thousands of years, it just proves that humans stay human and will always feel for humans.
      I wish he had a happy life and did not die in battle, I hope he was happy but we'll never know.
      But since we'll never know, Imma just assume it all turned out for the best for him!

    • @druidriley3163
      @druidriley3163 Рік тому +9

      There is an excerpt from the famous Civil War documentary where the narrator speaks of men driven to excitement by the arrival of mail from home, and how some are driven to tears if they didn't receive any.

  • @damnischannel
    @damnischannel Рік тому +124

    The letter about "socks, sandals and underpants" is 346, not 246. In case someone else was looking for it online :D

    • @InvictaHistory
      @InvictaHistory  Рік тому +64

      Ah shoot... my bad. Thanks for catching that.

  • @BayouVeteransInterviews
    @BayouVeteransInterviews Рік тому +96

    I loved this episode. It really hit home for me. I was in the U.S.M.C. for seven years and had two deployments to Iraq. The ache for home seems to be universal whether you are legionnaire or a Marine.

    • @markp44288
      @markp44288 Рік тому +5

      I think at the core there is little difference between a legionnaire and a Marine. Thanks for your service!

    • @lcplapiata5501
      @lcplapiata5501 Рік тому

      @@markp44288 get out of your arse, Lol.

    • @markp44288
      @markp44288 Рік тому +2

      @@lcplapiata5501 what is the impetus for you to be a jerk to me?

    • @jeanbrozek3046
      @jeanbrozek3046 Рік тому +1

      Thank you for your service

    • @moritamikamikara3879
      @moritamikamikara3879 Рік тому

      @@markp44288 Feelsbadman

  • @mfaizsyahmi
    @mfaizsyahmi Рік тому +77

    #JusticeForAureliusPolion Write the poor man back!

  • @ronnonyabizness5240
    @ronnonyabizness5240 Рік тому +26

    There's an old cathedral church in Napoli (just under the Vomero) that has a large document storage room (converted an old family crypt). My history Professor Micheal Karis read a few documents to the class that were letters to home from Roman soldiers. They talked about missing home and the food. They miss their sister or brother and mothers and ask of others. They talk about passing time doing drills and camp chores. It was very cool being connected to real history, and understanding how some things never change.

  • @felixcat9318
    @felixcat9318 Рік тому +9

    These findings show just how similar we are to those that lived before us.
    The aspects of people that never change are clearly seen in these treasure trove of documents.
    The request for beer for his fellow troops, the gift of new sicks and underwear, the payment of three gold pieces for travel expenses, these are truly timeless aspects of people.
    Irrespective of the time, location or status, we humans are all so very alike.

  • @chadst0r
    @chadst0r Рік тому +29

    that letter he wrote his family where none wrote back, that's sad and though impossible i hope he actually got a response in the end.
    being a soldier during those times would be difficult.

  • @AB-gk8cs
    @AB-gk8cs Рік тому +65

    For me it is always touching to read such letters of common soldiers (f. e. the Vindolanda letters) and imagine the people at the frontier, writing home almost 2.000 years ago - and sounding often so strangly familiar and timeless.
    P.S.: Concerning the letter from the Decurio to his commander, asking for instructions (and in a P.S. for beer for the men): Somehow I think, that this Post Sriptum was the main cause for the letter...😆
    And the letter of Appolinarius to his mother...just sweet.

  • @samwill7259
    @samwill7259 Рік тому +65

    I don't think I could handle the extended periods of STRESS that would come from a world that was this disconnected.
    Your son marches off to war and he doesn't come home, for YEARS, and even the most emergency messages from him are days, weeks or months away.
    And maybe sometimes they just...never come home. Were they resettled? Captured? Killed? And you just...never know.

    • @defaultytuser
      @defaultytuser Рік тому +12

      I've come to think the level of stress and grief would be equivalent of what a parent would feel
      today if their teenage kid didn't text back in X amount of minutes/hours. It's tempting to extrapolate what we would feel in such situations but a fallacious exercise in the end; because we are doing so through the lens of modern lifestyle and technology while ultimately civilizations always _work with what they have_ . I was lucky enough to enjoy my grandfather in excellent state of mind until his death at 101 in 2005. When he told me about his youth, early adulthood, etc I would be both mesmerized and terrified but he, with a huge smile on his face, said: "it took half a day in horseback to the train station and then a full day in train to reach the city where I could send my love letters to your grandma; and then had to wait a month or more for her response." to which my replies were something in the lines of "A MONTH? if I write someone an email and they don't answer the same day I feel ghosted!". Now I see my nieces and nephews loose their temper when someone doesn't answer their texts in a 2 minute timeframe and can't help to think of grandpa and smile myself. Our ability to suffer seems to be highly adaptabe, haha! Cheers!

    • @remilenoir1271
      @remilenoir1271 Рік тому +2

      You couldn't handle it if you lived then with the awareness of what you are missing out.
      If you were born in such a period and unaware of the future, you wouldn't even think about it.

  • @robinaboy
    @robinaboy Рік тому +21

    I actually got a bit emotional hearing these. It’s so long ago but the human-ness of these hard, tough warriors is the same as us today. You shouldn’t expect their wants and desires to be different but I was still surprised. Fascinating.

  • @Diogolindir
    @Diogolindir Рік тому +12

    the Birthday invitation touched my heart since one of my sisters live abroad and her presence during my birthday would make my day more joyful. I hope that person got visited by her sister back then.

  • @robinharwood5044
    @robinharwood5044 Рік тому +20

    Nothing trivial about requests for socks and underpants. If you are standing guard on Hadrian’s Wall at midnight in January, you’ll want a lot more than a tunic between the North Wind and your essentials.

    • @Pesmog
      @Pesmog Рік тому +2

      I believe I read somewhere that the Romans eventually gave up wearing sandals in winter in that part of the England. The amazing display of excavated and preserved Roman footwear at Vindolanda museum shows that sandals remained popular throughout the life of the forts. Some of them were really very ornate in design and were clearly for fashion. I have been to that area many times and have never contemplated wearing such lightweight footwear !

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ Рік тому +56

    Awesome video! So much is written about the "great men" of history but there's something delightfully endearing about these glimpses into the lives of the common folks.

    • @Wandererbane
      @Wandererbane Рік тому +5

      This is how history is truly learned

  • @DEPARTMENTOFREDUNDANCYDEPT
    @DEPARTMENTOFREDUNDANCYDEPT Рік тому +8

    If, by some miracle, a soldier from 2000 years ago and a modern soldier and could sit down and communicate with each other, they would definitely have much to share with each other in conversation.

  • @wesleylee4962
    @wesleylee4962 Рік тому +15

    As a retired soldier of thirty years, I can confirm that these letters could have been written from Panama or Vietnam, only the names/addresses need change.

  • @markbanash921
    @markbanash921 Рік тому +14

    Having visited Vindolanda in person, seeing these preserved letters on display was a special high point. When seeing them in the environment for which they were intended they really come alive.

  • @nefariouspersephone9447
    @nefariouspersephone9447 Рік тому +10

    i feel so sad for aurelius polion. i hope he was able to receive atleast one letter in his time away

  • @rickb1973
    @rickb1973 Рік тому +11

    I'm reminded of the scene in the film Dances with Wolves, where Lt. Dunbar and his wagon driver find a skeleton out on the prairie, with Indian arrows sticking out between the ribs, and the wagoneer laughs and says, "Someone back East is asking..... 'Now, why don't he write?'".

    • @samilturnali3875
      @samilturnali3875 5 місяців тому +2

      You drew a perfect (fitting) analogy here...👍👏 I remembered the scene (in the film) you described....

  • @ryanhampson673
    @ryanhampson673 Рік тому +8

    If I remember correctly one of the earliest surviving pieces of writing was a merchant suing someone for receiving substandard product and wanted to be reimbursed…We think we are so different from our ancestors but other than technology and overall collective knowledge we are the exact same thing physically, emotionally and mentally that sat around a campfire 30,000 years ago.

  • @graceamerican3558
    @graceamerican3558 Рік тому +26

    I have written letters just like these while I was stationed overseas. I guess the more things change… the more things stay the same. It makes me sad no one was answering his letters. Thank you for these letters. Quite touching really.

  • @matthewjay660
    @matthewjay660 Рік тому +10

    Salve Invicta. I could sit here for hours and just listen to these voices from the past. What treasures! ✒️📜🗣️

  • @ElizabethDerlin
    @ElizabethDerlin Рік тому +5

    When my husband was in boot camp I wrote over 200 letters to him. They called him the mail man and made him hold the box of letters every night. I kept every letter from him and I. I can imagine how hard it would be back in the day longing for a letter from your loved ones. I always felt such joy getting a letter from my love and that was just boot camp.

    • @twiss9341
      @twiss9341 Рік тому

      Haha that’s awesome. The mail man

  • @ryanharris1052
    @ryanharris1052 Рік тому +26

    Excellent, simply excellent. This is the pinnacle of history content. Exploring a niche but highly interesting topic : letter writing and communication within the Roman state. Battles are always informative, but the more uncovered and mundane parts of the past are highly illustrative and give a fresh perspective of the past. It is amazing how similar the people of the so long distant past are to us. I really enjoyed this video.

  • @BigT2664
    @BigT2664 Рік тому +12

    After 9-11 I deployed too many times. We were spoiled in Iraq and Afghanistan in that many of us had the opportunity to stay in contact. The longest I was out of contact was two weeks. Contrast with Vietnam where my father-in-law served and went half a year without being able to phone home. So an occasional letter from home was a treat.

    • @janyenyo
      @janyenyo Рік тому +4

      My Husband was in "Nam, of course we were dating back then. I would get a letter perhaps a week or two after he sent it but I couldn't relax cause I didn't know if he was alive or dead with the letter in my hand......

  • @kaarlimakela3413
    @kaarlimakela3413 Рік тому +3

    The arrogant expressions of the freelance Roman scribe actor was cracking me up.
    I have no doubt he nailed it. 😆

  • @chippyonline001
    @chippyonline001 Рік тому +29

    I am so down for what a scribe's life was in ancient Rome. Looking forward to that! Another excellent video from you guys and Imperium Romanum!

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 Рік тому

      Slice-of-life Roman scribe anime when?

    • @ericwilliams1659
      @ericwilliams1659 Рік тому

      I have always wondered about the scribes busy transcribing news and the gossip they learned just by being near someone important

    • @druidriley3163
      @druidriley3163 Рік тому

      Hand cramping. Hard to write in cold weather.

  • @stefanschleps8758
    @stefanschleps8758 Рік тому +4

    Fascinating, and a bit sobering, almost sad.
    Thanks for sharing with us.

  • @Doping1234
    @Doping1234 Рік тому +10

    It's somehow hard to see people in history as what they were...people. Thanks for digging!
    The most memorable historic letter to me was from a bark somewhere in russia where the author asks his sister to bring him his shirt because he forgot it. The context...we will unfortunately never know.

  • @milkyman1995
    @milkyman1995 Рік тому +8

    Imagine that in 2000 years, all that is left from your existence is an email to your boss, requesting him to send you and your bros some beer

  • @Kimchiboy08
    @Kimchiboy08 Рік тому +7

    I find these letters very emotionally intimate and touching. They express their love for family with conviction, yet I've never spoken that way with my own parents. Very intriguing.

  • @yanceyricks2601
    @yanceyricks2601 Рік тому +16

    It’s good to know that sibling rivalry did not effect everyone, even back then. What a pleasant surprise that letter is! 10:13

    • @dirtfarmer7070
      @dirtfarmer7070 Рік тому

      Perhaps he did not think his letter was the proper venue for that?

  • @eric2685
    @eric2685 Рік тому +6

    Very interesting . I live close to Hadrian's Wall , and have visited the forts ot Vindolanda , and Banna a few times . Whole communities were built up around them , and I doubt that all of the soldiers left these when the final call came to withdraw from Britain . Of course , I can't prove this , but there were generations of families here then , and they may have chosen to stay put , together . At least some of them ...

  • @LateralTwitlerLT
    @LateralTwitlerLT Рік тому +10

    Some of these letters are outright beautiful and somewhat poetic. Even the mundane ones touch me. Thank you for this upload.
    Oh, and this guy here: 16:30 What an absolute neck beard, if one ever saw one. Outstanding!

  • @helenamcginty4920
    @helenamcginty4920 Рік тому +4

    I recall seeing the reconstruction of a gateway at Vindolanda with my son way back in the mid 1970s. We holidayed for several years in one of 2 caravans at a farm in Westmorland (now Cumbria) 7 miles from Appleby. So just an hour from Hadrian's wall by car so we visited sites along it a lot.
    Also all the standing stones and stone circles that dot the area in between slogging up and down lake district fells.

  • @louiserabie1651
    @louiserabie1651 Рік тому +5

    It’s quite moving to read such intimate correspondence written so long ago and yet as relevant as yesterday. Thanks for making this film!

  • @marystone860
    @marystone860 Рік тому +5

    Wow! This was so interesting! It's amazing any of these survived to today! To end on a funny note, one letter was someone trying to get their stuff back, just like neighbors in our time!

  • @Baltasarmk
    @Baltasarmk Рік тому +47

    Rome: a patriarchal society where daughters sometimes can be given numbers instead of names
    Also Rome: the most human letters are from/to mothers and sisters.

    • @peterfireflylund
      @peterfireflylund Рік тому +10

      Sons could also have number-names: Primus, Secundus, Tertius, ..., Decimus.

    • @someshtbaglcpl5455
      @someshtbaglcpl5455 Рік тому +8

      Almost like “patriarchy” and misogyny aren’t interchangeable, no matter how much people wish to insist.

    • @cristhianramirez6939
      @cristhianramirez6939 Рік тому +24

      Patriarcal doesn't mean the men didn't love their wives, mother,sisters, daughters, etc just that the Pater had the legal control of every member in his family

    • @druidriley3163
      @druidriley3163 Рік тому +7

      @@cristhianramirez6939 And even then, despite the idea of paterfamilias having legal and literally life and death control over family members, you still had fathers who were softies who loved their kids, boys and girls and would indulge them.

    • @simonw1252
      @simonw1252 Рік тому +2

      Life for women was unimaginably bad... Just awful.. The sons would have seen this, and would have pitied their lot compared to the men. So respect was total from the sons, they would have seen their mothers and sisters struggle on.

  • @cugelchannel4733
    @cugelchannel4733 Рік тому +7

    Well, this one will resonate with troops from every era: "My soldiers have no beer! Please order some to be sent!" 😆

  • @Sanakudou
    @Sanakudou Рік тому +25

    I always adore these collab videos, the footage truly enhances the topic and particularly in this video complimented the idea of humanising those from the past.
    It’s always fascinating getting such personal glimpses into peoples lives and one can only wonder how the rest of their lives played out for them and all their families.
    Hope that one guy eventually got a letter back from his family 😅 tho who knows if they just weren’t bothering, if they had issues with getting a reliable letter sent back or if something bad had actually happened to them all while he was away.

  • @TheCbtje123321
    @TheCbtje123321 Рік тому +17

    Imperium Romanum is a fantastic channel! Especially if you are a fan of this channel. Show them some support!

  • @jeffzeiler346
    @jeffzeiler346 Рік тому +3

    Very cool bits of humanity on display here. It's amazing how current and familiar the letters sound.

  • @teleriferchnyfain
    @teleriferchnyfain Рік тому +7

    Excellent video. I would like to point out that legionnaires came from all over the Empire & were usually sent away from their homes, so letters home weren’t going to Rome all the time 😮 In the Republic more of the regular Legions were at least from the Italian peninsula of course.
    Love that letter about the birthday party - military wives 🤗

  • @hugodesrosiers-plaisance3156
    @hugodesrosiers-plaisance3156 Рік тому +5

    People are always people. Wonderful video, and stunning live-action material by Imperium Romanum.

  • @chrisleonard2066
    @chrisleonard2066 Рік тому +4

    I remember being in fort Benning and frantically writing my family and friends often, written mail means so much more!

  • @indiosveritas
    @indiosveritas Рік тому +3

    Nice video !
    That being said, the concept of Hello Fresh is insane.

  • @lestercoons3962
    @lestercoons3962 Рік тому +2

    I studied classical Latin in school. I truly desired to read about history first person and live. Such as Plinny the Younger writing about seeing the eruption of Vesuvius and the destruction of Pompeii in his native language.

  • @PoorRightousTeacher
    @PoorRightousTeacher Рік тому +5

    Thank you for sharing this, it shows people weren't much different then. Love and Humanity Mother's missed their children who were serving on the Front lines and Soldiers missed their Families.

  • @canadious6933
    @canadious6933 Рік тому +8

    The older you get the more you hear of the more human parts of History and seeing what soldiers and people do today, it makes me sad. A lot of people deserve to live in peace and not through war or disease.

  • @safeysmith6720
    @safeysmith6720 Рік тому +13

    I feel sorry for the guy who was writing to all his family members and not getting any replies.
    Maybe they were all dead. Or maybe they just didn’t like him very much. Perhaps, he was overbearing and needy.. who knows.
    Also I liked that one captain’s(equivalent) letter ending with, “The men have no more beer. Please order more.” 😂😂

  • @paoloviti6156
    @paoloviti6156 Рік тому +6

    A very interesting but unfortunately very small glimpse of the the Roman correspondence of the frontier. I really would love to read more of those correspondence but I think reading those lines after 2,000 years is nothing short of a miracle! Really a good job 👏 👌

  • @larsrons7937
    @larsrons7937 Рік тому +11

    Thank you for sharing this with us, I much appreciate it. Sometimes trivial things can be the most interesting. In return I wish to share a modern 2022 version not that different. A middleaged Ukrainian soldier sending greetings to his mother:
    _"Mom, hello. I ate, dressed warmly, put on a hat, and am going for a walk. No need to worry. My friends are with me. We will behave well. In fact, this message is not only for my mother, but for all our mothers who love us, wait for us and worry about us. I know you didn't raise us for war, but you raised us to be real men. And when trouble came to our country, we went to protect the most precious things that we have. Wait for us, we will definitely all come back and you can once again quarrel with us at home, tell us what we are doing wrong and cook something delicious for us. See you, at home."_
    Note: The "hat" is a helmet and the "walk" probably a venture into contested territory.

    • @janicem9225
      @janicem9225 Рік тому

      "And we're getting hundreds of billions of dollars from the nincompoop American government, so our own president and his family can become filthy rich, while the rest of us suffer"
      Yep.
      That would be about it.

    • @larsrons7937
      @larsrons7937 Рік тому

      @@janicem9225 You appear to be trying to post pro-Kremlin nonsense. Would you like to help getting lost?

  • @Baltasarmk
    @Baltasarmk Рік тому +23

    I was surprised with the birthday party invitation. For some reason, I thought birthday celebrations are a recent thing.

    • @renerpho
      @renerpho Рік тому +14

      The Romans were the first to celebrate the birthdays of common people. However, the practice basically died out during the middle ages, and only reappeared again in the 1800s.

    • @janyenyo
      @janyenyo Рік тому +2

      ancient Egyptians celebrated Birthdays-Read the account in Genesis about Joseph in Egypt......

    • @RedRocket4000
      @RedRocket4000 Рік тому

      It varies until 1900's in Japan they did not keep birthdays everyone celebrated getting one year older on New Years.

    • @RedRocket4000
      @RedRocket4000 Рік тому

      @@renerpho Note with complex Roman dating system that at least up to Julius Caesar the actual date was only known to the Pontiff Maximus, the top religious leader and scribes, which Caesar held possession of that title and job. (fun the Senate picked who was religious leader in fact and also in name only there were two higher titles than Pontiff Maximus but they held no power.) Julius used that ability in Civil war to know when he could cross from Italy to Macedonia with less worry about the weather. His enemy did not and thus Caesar crossed safety.
      Thus at that point you had to wait till local temple stated the date and month every so often.

  • @johndavenport8843
    @johndavenport8843 Рік тому +2

    The letters are a reminder that we are all the same and have always been. Good job

  • @acebrandon3522
    @acebrandon3522 Рік тому +4

    Letters from the past were so down to earth. Yesteryear soldiers and modern soldiers likes, and such never go out of style. Worries, Family, New Socks (very important) to a foot soldier.

  • @cj-hw3pv
    @cj-hw3pv Рік тому +9

    2 am upload? I'm here for it

    • @InvictaHistory
      @InvictaHistory  Рік тому +6

      Always gotta keep you guys on your toes! Actually it was supposed to go up earlier today but I wanted to fit in more direct quotes from ancient letters. Hopefully this enriches the video further.

  • @Caesars_Legate
    @Caesars_Legate Рік тому +9

    Great video, love seeing these humanizing aspects of history, would love to see more of this type of stuff in the future. Keep up the good work Invicta!

  • @djpat5998
    @djpat5998 Рік тому +3

    I was at an antique mall here in fort worth and I read some letters from Union and confederate soldiers to their wives, mothers, and girlfriends and some of them were really sad. People don't realize that we're all the same no where we're from, our language, skin color, and our religion.

  • @EntropicTroponin
    @EntropicTroponin Рік тому +5

    That sock scene at 16:44 is amazing.

    • @renerpho
      @renerpho Рік тому +3

      Reenactment at its finest.

  • @EvMund
    @EvMund Рік тому +4

    12:07 now we get to the really important stuff

  • @junebyrne4491
    @junebyrne4491 Рік тому +5

    When my husband was in viet nam I sent him socks. Nothing has changed. I wrote him every day and sent packages with cookies.

    • @druidriley3163
      @druidriley3163 Рік тому +1

      Some soldier wrote that his mother sent him cookies. When they arrived, they were covered in mold, but the man and his buddies scraped the mold off and ate them anyway and he never told his mother.

  • @ImagineMySurprise510
    @ImagineMySurprise510 Рік тому +9

    This was interesting and I am reminded of the letters collected in the New Testament, particularly the introductions and salutations at the ends. It appears that Paul was using a format and prose that was common in writing letters at the time.

    • @markp44288
      @markp44288 Рік тому +6

      He was a Roman citizen. So it shouldn't be completely surprising. I thought the same thing myself.

    • @druidriley3163
      @druidriley3163 Рік тому

      We all do this. Don't we almost always start a letter or email with a greeting and end it with some sort of goodbye?

  • @darthcalanil5333
    @darthcalanil5333 Рік тому +28

    The guy not getting replies was so sad 😭

    • @renerpho
      @renerpho Рік тому +6

      The fact that we know about it may indicate that his letters never arrived. Which doesn't make it any less sad...

    • @jacopofolin6400
      @jacopofolin6400 Рік тому +3

      @@renerpho why? 1 or 2 can be lost, but he Said sent 6 only to 1 family member, more likly his family moved/dead or they hated him

    • @druidriley3163
      @druidriley3163 Рік тому +1

      @@renerpho Or maybe the letter arrived, was read and then trashed. We don't keep all the letters we get, even today. Or at least back in the day when we sent letters (pre internet).

  • @Lillarpy
    @Lillarpy Рік тому +5

    Such a beautiful and humane subject as a paus to the war videos (which are also great). Thank you for the video.

  • @malahamavet
    @malahamavet Рік тому +12

    I love these kind of texts that presents the common people and how they have the same needs and feelings as us. it's obvious but not so obvious since most of us are more familiar whith wars and politicians, and it's easy to dehumanize people who died such a long time ago. So for me letters like this are more valuable than Caesar's writings, since they're unique, not mass produced and don't serve political purposes but emotional ones

  • @porcus123
    @porcus123 Рік тому +1

    amazing how thrash yeps gives us the most wholesome roman side

  • @roeljoseph7905
    @roeljoseph7905 Рік тому +15

    There must've been a lot of "Dear Marcuses" written, lmao. Inb4 "Britannia wasn't a real deployment."

    • @willlasdf123
      @willlasdf123 Рік тому +3

      Scribes being the OG "chair force" with "air conditioned tents" lol

    • @robinharwood5044
      @robinharwood5044 Рік тому

      @@willlasdf123 Well, if you’d learned to write, you could have had a cushy job too. But no, you were always off gawking at the chariot races and chasing after the slave girls.

  • @speederscout
    @speederscout Рік тому

    That last letter broke my heart. I will be thinking of him for years to come.

  • @voyaristika5673
    @voyaristika5673 2 місяці тому

    More proof that times change but people don't. Thank you for posting this video. It's amazing that we have any letters at all from those times. Being from everyday people makes them priceless.

  • @SpartanLeonidas1821
    @SpartanLeonidas1821 Рік тому +3

    A lot of Beautiful Greek Names in some of these Letters 👍

  • @GUDAJLasd
    @GUDAJLasd Рік тому +1

    Great video! I would love more of this kind of videos.

  • @RexGalilae
    @RexGalilae Рік тому +4

    The Vindolanda letters are basically WhatsApp "Happy New Year", "Happy Birthday" messages from the ancient world

  • @morgan97475
    @morgan97475 Рік тому +5

    Great video. I have book titled "Life and Letters on the Roman Frontier" by Alan K. Bowman that addresses this specific topic. It is based on the numerous letters found at Vindolanda.

  • @legatuslegionarii2284
    @legatuslegionarii2284 Рік тому +1

    Great video! Many thanks for this!

  • @helenamcginty4920
    @helenamcginty4920 Рік тому +2

    I understood that the Vindolanda letters were found in the remains of a bonfire assumed to have been extinguished by rain. Anyone who knows the northern moorlands of England would not be at all surprised that it rained.

    • @Pesmog
      @Pesmog Рік тому +2

      Some of those Roman forts on Hadrian's wall and the Northern Pennines are in some pretty godforsaken places in terms of weather. A foot soldier posted there from the Mediterranean would have needed a robust constitution and a sense of humour.

  • @yanceyricks2601
    @yanceyricks2601 Рік тому +2

    It’s good to know that sibling rivalry did not effect everyone, even back then. What a pleasant surprise that letter is! 10:13.

  • @markos2529
    @markos2529 Рік тому +2

    Human nature never changes. Every soldier's wish is to come back home! As i did.

  • @nachox64
    @nachox64 4 місяці тому

    The letter of Apollinarus, its very wholesome, and full of hope of this young lad, Love to all who love you.
    A gentleman from many years ago, to you, cheers!😊

  • @IMBRAHIMOVIC100
    @IMBRAHIMOVIC100 Рік тому +2

    wow you guys went deep with the philosophy in this episode it touch my cold heart

  • @paulwood6729
    @paulwood6729 Рік тому +2

    The Vindolanda museum is a great place.

  • @DISTurbedwaffle918
    @DISTurbedwaffle918 Рік тому +4

    "The soldiers are out of beer, please order some."

    • @tyvernoverlord5363
      @tyvernoverlord5363 Рік тому

      I mean, if your squad/platoon can easily slice your throat at the ass end of night and it doesn't take much to get to your part of the barracks cause you're not that far up the chain of command and don't warrant guards posted outside; I'd ask(BEG) my liege if he could most rapidly aquire a stock as soon as humanly possible . . .

  • @JAGzilla-ur3lh
    @JAGzilla-ur3lh Рік тому

    You guys have one of the best history channels out there. Videos like this really help remind us that people thousands of years ago were no different than we are today. That fact tends to get lost, sometimes.

  • @Frenchylikeshikes
    @Frenchylikeshikes Рік тому +2

    Might sound dumb to say but I find it pretty cool that Bithdays were already celebrated at the time. I mean why wouldn't they, I know, but still...pretty cool to know.

  • @markdean1984
    @markdean1984 Рік тому +1

    Very very nice done and documented. Thank you

  • @aragorn1780
    @aragorn1780 Рік тому +1

    considering that the typical term of service for Legionnaires was 20-25 years, and many of them would be posted away at frontiers where they'd never have a chance to visit home for R&R or leave, and that the frontier posts were also the most dangerous postings where all the action happened, you can imagine how heavily that weighed on the soldiers, and how something so small and simple and even stupid could lift a sullen spirit
    imagine being posted on Hadrian's wall for the last 10 years of your life, the only comforts of modern life is the small nearby Britonic town half a day's walk away where some Roman merchants and craftsmen live, every few months there's a raid happening and you have to march north of the wall into the frontiers of Scotland to fend off the Picts, occasionally a few of your own get killed in battle... and you come back to the garrison to see a small letter from your younger sister teasing you in 2 lines, and a fresh blanket from your mom... you'd be a crying mess!

  • @pyeitme508
    @pyeitme508 Рік тому +10

    No matter what era, letters ✉️ works in similar situations.

  • @stefanocamoni229
    @stefanocamoni229 Рік тому +1

    In Italy present days a letter needs 2 weeks minimum to be delivered (If not lost).