Real Letters from the Roman Front Lines - What Do They Say? DOCUMENTARY

Поділитися
Вставка
  • Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
  • A documentary on the letters from the Roman Front Lines. For 21 FREE meals with HelloFresh plus free shipping, use code INVICTA21 at bit.ly/3IQrwgq
    We continue our Live History series which seeks to use reenactment to bring the past to life. This was made possible thanks to the awesome team at Imperium Romanum: / imperiumromanumyt
    Additional clips were purchased through Pond5 which features the reenactment groups "Nova Polaris" and "Veteres Milites Sibiu"
    In this history documentary we explore the process by which Roman soldiers kept in touch with their families and friends. We begin by broadly discussing literacy rates and how one would go about writing a letter in the first place. This involves looking at things like papyrus scrolls, ink pens, and scribes.
    We then turn our attention about the way in which these letters were sent across the Roman Empire. This took the form of both public and private couriers. The former consisted primarily of the Cursus Publicus which used a relay of riders to deliver messages across the Empire at incredibly fast speeds. The latter relied primarily on merchants who criss-crossed the Empire at their own pace.
    And finally we look at the contents of these Roman letters. This is done by quoting select examples which have been recovered at sites such as Vindolanda in England and Oxyrhnychus in Egypt.
    Check out more videos in our live history series:
    "Gaming in the Roman Army" • Gaming in the Roman Ar...
    "How Did Roman Cataphracts Prepare for War?" • How Did Roman Cataphra...
    "Roman Army Training" • What Was Roman Army Ba...
    "What was Watchtower Duty like on the Roman Frontier?" • What was Watchtower Du...
    "Journey beyond Rome's Rhine Frontier?" • What was it like to jo...
    Credits:
    Research = Chris Das Neves
    Script = Chris Das Neves
    Narration = Guy Michaels
    Reenactment = Imperium Romanum, Veteres Milites Sibiu
    #history
    #documentary
    #military

КОМЕНТАРІ • 523

  • @InvictaHistory
    @InvictaHistory  2 роки тому +145

    Hope you all enjoy this look at the more human aspect of history. If you like this sort of content then I recommend you check out Imperium Romanum who has been our partner for this series. While they are on a brief hiatus at the moment I've been told they are working on several videos right now! www.youtube.com/@ImperiumRomanumYT

    • @Jay-z7p6d
      @Jay-z7p6d 2 роки тому +3

      Amazing

    • @brokenbridge6316
      @brokenbridge6316 2 роки тому +3

      This was a curious look into what it was like for a Roman soldier to write a letter. Nice video.

    • @brettbaker5599
      @brettbaker5599 2 роки тому +2

      Imperium Romanum is awesome!

    • @Godwinsname
      @Godwinsname 2 роки тому +1

      So valuable! Thanks!

    • @kellus68lee
      @kellus68lee Рік тому +2

      Enjoyed this story! That last guys letter was great.

  • @Matt-cz6ti
    @Matt-cz6ti 2 роки тому +710

    I love how trivial some of the stuff in the Vindolanda Tablets is. “I need fresh socks”, “Please come to my birthday party”, “Can I please have some time off to visit Eburacum?”
    People are people, no matter what century

    • @jamesblackwell2067
      @jamesblackwell2067 2 роки тому +94

      I saw a documentary about Egypt once and they found some 5000 year old clay tablets that were used as letters, in them were things like shopping lists, love letters, poetry, basically the same stuff as in this video. I found it pretty amazing that humans really dont change all that much, even after 5000 years and in a totally different environment, our values remain the same

    • @current9300
      @current9300 2 роки тому +121

      I've heard that there are some Viking era ruins in Britain with wall carvings, and some of the carvings left of the walls is literally stuff like "I love Ingiborg she has huge tits". People are indeed people.

    • @Matt-cz6ti
      @Matt-cz6ti 2 роки тому +104

      @@current9300 There are Norse runes in the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul, up near the ceiling, which read “This is very high”

    • @ukeyaoitrash2618
      @ukeyaoitrash2618 2 роки тому +37

      @@current9300 Cultured viking 😌

    • @Feezec
      @Feezec 2 роки тому +59

      my favorite was "btw we're out of beer"

  • @davidcervantes9336
    @davidcervantes9336 2 роки тому +344

    - General: Brothers, what we say in life, echoes in eternity.
    - The echo: I need fresh socks 🧦. 😩

    • @renerpho
      @renerpho 2 роки тому +19

      Some things never change.

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 2 роки тому +27

      p.s we're all out of booze. We... lost it?

    • @toddharig8142
      @toddharig8142 2 роки тому +25

      Damn socks, no matter how many you buy you never have enough.

    • @CH-vv2hr
      @CH-vv2hr 2 роки тому +1

      we all do

    • @robertjones7419
      @robertjones7419 2 роки тому +5

      Shouldn’t a people know when they are conquered..? Would you Quintus..? Would I..?

  • @cristhianramirez6939
    @cristhianramirez6939 2 роки тому +189

    Apolinarius letter is so wholesome, caring for his mom and the rest of his family. Hopefully he saw his mother again and lived a long and peaceful life

    • @Nellis202
      @Nellis202 2 роки тому +26

      Hopefully he saw his mother again …….. exactly what I was thinking.

    • @SpartanLeonidas1821
      @SpartanLeonidas1821 2 роки тому +11

      Greeks are still that way! 🤣

  • @carsoncasmirri3874
    @carsoncasmirri3874 2 роки тому +477

    While I was in the US Marine Corps I really took it for granted the fact I got to call my folks once a week. My grandfather was stationed on the same island I was on and he barely got to write let alone phone. It makes you appreciate what you have and it’s nice to know that the ones who came before you were much the same as you are.

    • @BichaelStevens
      @BichaelStevens 2 роки тому

      @Danny Al not the place to be a sarcastic ass

    • @ben7837
      @ben7837 2 роки тому +19

      Thank you for your service man! I just enlisted in the United States Navy as a Seabee, and I go to bootcamp next month

    • @FD-nz7qv
      @FD-nz7qv 2 роки тому +2

      When I was in bootcamp, we got 1 phone call in Christmas at 5am.

    • @cherylsmith4826
      @cherylsmith4826 2 роки тому +2

      @@ben7837 good luck & sending prayers. Be well 🙏

    • @miliba
      @miliba 2 роки тому +1

      Which island, Okinawa?

  • @davidschafer1356
    @davidschafer1356 2 роки тому +231

    2k years later and people still talk about the same issues, troubles wants and needs. Thank you guys for this amazing video about our past.

    • @mitch8072
      @mitch8072 2 роки тому +10

      time changes, people dont

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 2 роки тому +15

      Which reminds me, I'm out of beer...

    • @swedhgemoni8092
      @swedhgemoni8092 2 роки тому +4

      Our core needs will always be the same.

    • @r.c.l2569
      @r.c.l2569 2 роки тому +2

      Nothing new under the sun.

  • @jonbaxter2254
    @jonbaxter2254 2 роки тому +299

    I like how the oldest letter in Britain was from Vindolanda, and it was a birthday party invite. The more things change...

    • @garyfrancis6193
      @garyfrancis6193 2 роки тому +22

      Where and when? I’m thinking of going. I might be a little late.

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 2 роки тому +19

      @@garyfrancis6193 I think you missed the date by... almost 2,000 years. But Vindolanda still stands! And it's amazing.

  • @ManiusCuriusDenatus
    @ManiusCuriusDenatus 2 роки тому +311

    I teach U.S History and a small section of one of my units is about archaeology. My students exam artifacts and have to figure out what they are, describe them, etc. I use a mix of photos and old technology (floppy disks and such.) The bonus item is one of the Vindolanda tablets (b-day) and I offer a whole class prize if they get it. I was safe for 10+ years until one of my students last year looked at them, smiled, and asked me if they were from Vindolanda. I was completely shocked and I said yes. I teach five different U.S. History classes every year (100+ students), and no one had ever guessed it. His father worked for the state dept, and had lived in the UK for years. He and his family had gone to the fortress the previous year. That whole class was treated to bakery cookies.

    • @DiaperGranny11
      @DiaperGranny11 2 роки тому +20

      As a fellow teacher (English), that is an amazing assignment!

    • @dallaspope8731
      @dallaspope8731 2 роки тому +10

      Took a screenshot and sent to my wife! (World history teacher). Pretty rad lesson.

    • @thebiologist8662
      @thebiologist8662 2 роки тому +4

      I'm curious as to why none of your students have ever attempted to use google lens to find them. Something famous will be easily recognized by the app.

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 2 роки тому +5

      I quite like an American knows all about a sleepy little village in the north of my own country.

    • @ManiusCuriusDenatus
      @ManiusCuriusDenatus 2 роки тому +5

      @@thebiologist8662 What I show them is a photo of the tablet and they analyze it and try and figure out what it is. Since it is Roman cursive they mix it up with Asian scripts. Occasionally I have heard Greek, but no one ever figured what they actually were until last year. I don't reveal they are from Vindolanda so they do not have that frame of reference. Not at least till the end and I explain the story and what they are looking at is a bday invite. Brings home that people of the past did similar things to us and people are people. Adjusts their perspective.

  • @davidblair9877
    @davidblair9877 2 роки тому +173

    I remember one WWII veteran, when asked to describe his experience, told the interviewer “war is 99% boredom and 1% sheer unmitigated terror.”

    • @druidriley3163
      @druidriley3163 2 роки тому +10

      War always is.

    • @AGTheOSHAViolationsCounter
      @AGTheOSHAViolationsCounter Рік тому +2

      The age old combination of the orders, "Hurry up and wait" and "MOVE! MOVE! FORWARD YOU BASTARDS!" While contrary to a popular saying from a certain now failed game franchise. "War.....War FREQUENTLY changes, sometimes drastically so. However the beat? That at times thundering heartbeat of war? That always seems to stay the same."

    • @Andy_Babb
      @Andy_Babb 11 місяців тому +3

      Depends on the unit. My grandfather was in the 9th infantry and saw over a years worth of days of action. From North Africa to Sicily, and then Normandy straight through to Berlin.

  • @desmond-hawkins
    @desmond-hawkins 2 роки тому +140

    Fascinating! Some of these really make you wonder about their lives and priorities. The letter about carrying the standard felt like they mainly wanted to complain about being out of beer but didn't think it would be appropriate as the main topic, so they had to come up with something else. Like "hey I want to make sure we get this right, should all of us carry the flag tomorrow or just half of us? also I almost forgot, we're out of beer."

    • @jamesabestos2800
      @jamesabestos2800 Рік тому +2

      Ough walking is such a treachery anyways, Why hasn't pious sent me a letter yet!??!?!

  • @DragonxFlutter
    @DragonxFlutter 3 місяці тому +2

    Technology changes, but people are people. It's heartwarming and, in a way, comforting to know that we're not that different from those who lived before us. Writing a note for a care package, sending invitations to parties, the typical military bureaucracy, letting loved ones know that you miss them.

  • @keshhan6412
    @keshhan6412 2 роки тому +60

    "I beg you then, mother, look after yourself and do not worry about me..." My goodness! How I want to know what happened to Apollinarius and his beloved mother. Did he ever find his way back home? Was he reunited with his loved ones? Did life turn out well for him regardless?
    But especially poor Aurelius Polion, I hope he was reunited with his family, it's concerning that he hasn't heard from them.

  • @tangodroid
    @tangodroid 2 роки тому +114

    "I salute all who love you" what a beautiful expression.
    Great video, will like more of this style.

    • @Nick-rs5if
      @Nick-rs5if 2 роки тому +22

      I do really love that expression. It's just beautiful. ☺
      Imagine if they could fathom thousands of people reading their letters, over 2000 years in the future.

  • @wesleyfilms
    @wesleyfilms 2 роки тому +68

    Unanswered letters, socks as gifts, and requests for beer.
    There truly is nothing new under the sun.

  • @omarmyousry
    @omarmyousry 2 роки тому +70

    I like how letters haven't really changed all that much throughout the centuries.
    It's still "I hope this email finds you well," "how would you like us to proceed with this task?," and "best regards" but in different wording according to the era. So fascinating.

    • @MihaiRUdeRO
      @MihaiRUdeRO 2 роки тому +20

      My favourite is “btw please send beer, we’re out”

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 2 роки тому +17

      @@MihaiRUdeRO No but seriously, I hope those legionnaires got their booze.

  • @felixcat9318
    @felixcat9318 2 роки тому +10

    These findings show just how similar we are to those that lived before us.
    The aspects of people that never change are clearly seen in these treasure trove of documents.
    The request for beer for his fellow troops, the gift of new sicks and underwear, the payment of three gold pieces for travel expenses, these are truly timeless aspects of people.
    Irrespective of the time, location or status, we humans are all so very alike.

  • @ronnonyabizness5240
    @ronnonyabizness5240 2 роки тому +27

    There's an old cathedral church in Napoli (just under the Vomero) that has a large document storage room (converted an old family crypt). My history Professor Micheal Karis read a few documents to the class that were letters to home from Roman soldiers. They talked about missing home and the food. They miss their sister or brother and mothers and ask of others. They talk about passing time doing drills and camp chores. It was very cool being connected to real history, and understanding how some things never change.

  • @damnischannel
    @damnischannel 2 роки тому +126

    The letter about "socks, sandals and underpants" is 346, not 246. In case someone else was looking for it online :D

    • @InvictaHistory
      @InvictaHistory  2 роки тому +66

      Ah shoot... my bad. Thanks for catching that.

  • @user-oy8dl1er5h
    @user-oy8dl1er5h 2 роки тому +43

    I really feel for the last soldier. I know all too well what it means to be so far away from home, not knowing whether you'll see your family and friends again. Sometimes you were homesick almost to the point of tears. Not receiving any letters from the people you love really fucks your mind up as you are away. I hope whatever issue he or his family encountered during their correspondence got cleared up eventually. Their letters probably got lost along the way or were sent to the wrong place. Happened to me in bootcamp

    • @jurassicpeter
      @jurassicpeter 2 роки тому +15

      Imagine telling him that thousands of years later millions of people would hear his words and feel for him.
      Its amazing how you can feel for someone who's been dead for thousands of years, it just proves that humans stay human and will always feel for humans.
      I wish he had a happy life and did not die in battle, I hope he was happy but we'll never know.
      But since we'll never know, Imma just assume it all turned out for the best for him!

    • @druidriley3163
      @druidriley3163 2 роки тому +10

      There is an excerpt from the famous Civil War documentary where the narrator speaks of men driven to excitement by the arrival of mail from home, and how some are driven to tears if they didn't receive any.

  • @AB-gk8cs
    @AB-gk8cs 2 роки тому +66

    For me it is always touching to read such letters of common soldiers (f. e. the Vindolanda letters) and imagine the people at the frontier, writing home almost 2.000 years ago - and sounding often so strangly familiar and timeless.
    P.S.: Concerning the letter from the Decurio to his commander, asking for instructions (and in a P.S. for beer for the men): Somehow I think, that this Post Sriptum was the main cause for the letter...😆
    And the letter of Appolinarius to his mother...just sweet.

  • @BayouVeteransInterviews
    @BayouVeteransInterviews 2 роки тому +98

    I loved this episode. It really hit home for me. I was in the U.S.M.C. for seven years and had two deployments to Iraq. The ache for home seems to be universal whether you are legionnaire or a Marine.

    • @markp44288
      @markp44288 2 роки тому +6

      I think at the core there is little difference between a legionnaire and a Marine. Thanks for your service!

    • @lcplapiata5501
      @lcplapiata5501 2 роки тому

      @@markp44288 get out of your arse, Lol.

    • @markp44288
      @markp44288 2 роки тому +2

      @@lcplapiata5501 what is the impetus for you to be a jerk to me?

    • @jeanbrozek3046
      @jeanbrozek3046 2 роки тому +1

      Thank you for your service

    • @moritamikamikara3879
      @moritamikamikara3879 2 роки тому

      @@markp44288 Feelsbadman

  • @chadst0r
    @chadst0r 2 роки тому +30

    that letter he wrote his family where none wrote back, that's sad and though impossible i hope he actually got a response in the end.
    being a soldier during those times would be difficult.

  • @robinharwood5044
    @robinharwood5044 2 роки тому +23

    Nothing trivial about requests for socks and underpants. If you are standing guard on Hadrian’s Wall at midnight in January, you’ll want a lot more than a tunic between the North Wind and your essentials.

    • @Pesmog
      @Pesmog 2 роки тому +3

      I believe I read somewhere that the Romans eventually gave up wearing sandals in winter in that part of the England. The amazing display of excavated and preserved Roman footwear at Vindolanda museum shows that sandals remained popular throughout the life of the forts. Some of them were really very ornate in design and were clearly for fashion. I have been to that area many times and have never contemplated wearing such lightweight footwear !

  • @Diogolindir
    @Diogolindir 2 роки тому +14

    the Birthday invitation touched my heart since one of my sisters live abroad and her presence during my birthday would make my day more joyful. I hope that person got visited by her sister back then.

  • @sars6224
    @sars6224 2 роки тому +28

    Many years ago i came across a book with recovered ancient letters from sea merchants.
    Read a few letters and i was amazed that the people back then talked about the exact same things we talk today , even the way the wrote and though was very similar.
    I realized then that the only difference between us and those ancient people is the evolution of technology.

  • @mfaizsyahmi
    @mfaizsyahmi 2 роки тому +81

    #JusticeForAureliusPolion Write the poor man back!

  • @samwill7259
    @samwill7259 2 роки тому +66

    I don't think I could handle the extended periods of STRESS that would come from a world that was this disconnected.
    Your son marches off to war and he doesn't come home, for YEARS, and even the most emergency messages from him are days, weeks or months away.
    And maybe sometimes they just...never come home. Were they resettled? Captured? Killed? And you just...never know.

    • @defaultytuser
      @defaultytuser 2 роки тому +12

      I've come to think the level of stress and grief would be equivalent of what a parent would feel
      today if their teenage kid didn't text back in X amount of minutes/hours. It's tempting to extrapolate what we would feel in such situations but a fallacious exercise in the end; because we are doing so through the lens of modern lifestyle and technology while ultimately civilizations always _work with what they have_ . I was lucky enough to enjoy my grandfather in excellent state of mind until his death at 101 in 2005. When he told me about his youth, early adulthood, etc I would be both mesmerized and terrified but he, with a huge smile on his face, said: "it took half a day in horseback to the train station and then a full day in train to reach the city where I could send my love letters to your grandma; and then had to wait a month or more for her response." to which my replies were something in the lines of "A MONTH? if I write someone an email and they don't answer the same day I feel ghosted!". Now I see my nieces and nephews loose their temper when someone doesn't answer their texts in a 2 minute timeframe and can't help to think of grandpa and smile myself. Our ability to suffer seems to be highly adaptabe, haha! Cheers!

    • @remilenoir1271
      @remilenoir1271 Рік тому +2

      You couldn't handle it if you lived then with the awareness of what you are missing out.
      If you were born in such a period and unaware of the future, you wouldn't even think about it.

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ 2 роки тому +57

    Awesome video! So much is written about the "great men" of history but there's something delightfully endearing about these glimpses into the lives of the common folks.

    • @Wandererbane
      @Wandererbane 2 роки тому +5

      This is how history is truly learned

  • @markbanash921
    @markbanash921 2 роки тому +15

    Having visited Vindolanda in person, seeing these preserved letters on display was a special high point. When seeing them in the environment for which they were intended they really come alive.

  • @robinaboy
    @robinaboy 2 роки тому +22

    I actually got a bit emotional hearing these. It’s so long ago but the human-ness of these hard, tough warriors is the same as us today. You shouldn’t expect their wants and desires to be different but I was still surprised. Fascinating.

  • @DEPARTMENTOFREDUNDANCYDEPT
    @DEPARTMENTOFREDUNDANCYDEPT 2 роки тому +9

    If, by some miracle, a soldier from 2000 years ago and a modern soldier and could sit down and communicate with each other, they would definitely have much to share with each other in conversation.

  • @ryanhampson673
    @ryanhampson673 2 роки тому +9

    If I remember correctly one of the earliest surviving pieces of writing was a merchant suing someone for receiving substandard product and wanted to be reimbursed…We think we are so different from our ancestors but other than technology and overall collective knowledge we are the exact same thing physically, emotionally and mentally that sat around a campfire 30,000 years ago.

  • @wesleylee4962
    @wesleylee4962 2 роки тому +17

    As a retired soldier of thirty years, I can confirm that these letters could have been written from Panama or Vietnam, only the names/addresses need change.

  • @rickb1973
    @rickb1973 2 роки тому +12

    I'm reminded of the scene in the film Dances with Wolves, where Lt. Dunbar and his wagon driver find a skeleton out on the prairie, with Indian arrows sticking out between the ribs, and the wagoneer laughs and says, "Someone back East is asking..... 'Now, why don't he write?'".

    • @samilturnali3875
      @samilturnali3875 11 місяців тому +3

      You drew a perfect (fitting) analogy here...👍👏 I remembered the scene (in the film) you described....

  • @matthewjay660
    @matthewjay660 2 роки тому +10

    Salve Invicta. I could sit here for hours and just listen to these voices from the past. What treasures! ✒️📜🗣️

  • @ryanharris1052
    @ryanharris1052 2 роки тому +26

    Excellent, simply excellent. This is the pinnacle of history content. Exploring a niche but highly interesting topic : letter writing and communication within the Roman state. Battles are always informative, but the more uncovered and mundane parts of the past are highly illustrative and give a fresh perspective of the past. It is amazing how similar the people of the so long distant past are to us. I really enjoyed this video.

  • @chippyonline001
    @chippyonline001 2 роки тому +29

    I am so down for what a scribe's life was in ancient Rome. Looking forward to that! Another excellent video from you guys and Imperium Romanum!

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 2 роки тому

      Slice-of-life Roman scribe anime when?

    • @ericwilliams1659
      @ericwilliams1659 2 роки тому

      I have always wondered about the scribes busy transcribing news and the gossip they learned just by being near someone important

    • @druidriley3163
      @druidriley3163 2 роки тому

      Hand cramping. Hard to write in cold weather.

  • @graceamerican3558
    @graceamerican3558 2 роки тому +26

    I have written letters just like these while I was stationed overseas. I guess the more things change… the more things stay the same. It makes me sad no one was answering his letters. Thank you for these letters. Quite touching really.

  • @ElizabethDerlin
    @ElizabethDerlin 2 роки тому +5

    When my husband was in boot camp I wrote over 200 letters to him. They called him the mail man and made him hold the box of letters every night. I kept every letter from him and I. I can imagine how hard it would be back in the day longing for a letter from your loved ones. I always felt such joy getting a letter from my love and that was just boot camp.

    • @twiss9341
      @twiss9341 Рік тому

      Haha that’s awesome. The mail man

  • @LateralTwitlerLT
    @LateralTwitlerLT 2 роки тому +10

    Some of these letters are outright beautiful and somewhat poetic. Even the mundane ones touch me. Thank you for this upload.
    Oh, and this guy here: 16:30 What an absolute neck beard, if one ever saw one. Outstanding!

  • @milkyman1995
    @milkyman1995 2 роки тому +9

    Imagine that in 2000 years, all that is left from your existence is an email to your boss, requesting him to send you and your bros some beer

  • @wide.eyed.wanderer19
    @wide.eyed.wanderer19 Рік тому +4

    Hearing people’s love for their family in the letters is so touching. The one who never received letters back made me sad.

  • @kaarlimakela3413
    @kaarlimakela3413 2 роки тому +3

    The arrogant expressions of the freelance Roman scribe actor was cracking me up.
    I have no doubt he nailed it. 😆

  • @nefariouspersephone9447
    @nefariouspersephone9447 2 роки тому +11

    i feel so sad for aurelius polion. i hope he was able to receive atleast one letter in his time away

  • @Kimchiboy08
    @Kimchiboy08 2 роки тому +7

    I find these letters very emotionally intimate and touching. They express their love for family with conviction, yet I've never spoken that way with my own parents. Very intriguing.

  • @yanceyricks2601
    @yanceyricks2601 2 роки тому +16

    It’s good to know that sibling rivalry did not effect everyone, even back then. What a pleasant surprise that letter is! 10:13

    • @dirtfarmer7070
      @dirtfarmer7070 2 роки тому

      Perhaps he did not think his letter was the proper venue for that?

  • @Doping1234
    @Doping1234 2 роки тому +10

    It's somehow hard to see people in history as what they were...people. Thanks for digging!
    The most memorable historic letter to me was from a bark somewhere in russia where the author asks his sister to bring him his shirt because he forgot it. The context...we will unfortunately never know.

  • @louiserabie1651
    @louiserabie1651 2 роки тому +5

    It’s quite moving to read such intimate correspondence written so long ago and yet as relevant as yesterday. Thanks for making this film!

  • @helenamcginty4920
    @helenamcginty4920 2 роки тому +4

    I recall seeing the reconstruction of a gateway at Vindolanda with my son way back in the mid 1970s. We holidayed for several years in one of 2 caravans at a farm in Westmorland (now Cumbria) 7 miles from Appleby. So just an hour from Hadrian's wall by car so we visited sites along it a lot.
    Also all the standing stones and stone circles that dot the area in between slogging up and down lake district fells.

  • @marystone860
    @marystone860 2 роки тому +5

    Wow! This was so interesting! It's amazing any of these survived to today! To end on a funny note, one letter was someone trying to get their stuff back, just like neighbors in our time!

  • @eric2685
    @eric2685 2 роки тому +6

    Very interesting . I live close to Hadrian's Wall , and have visited the forts ot Vindolanda , and Banna a few times . Whole communities were built up around them , and I doubt that all of the soldiers left these when the final call came to withdraw from Britain . Of course , I can't prove this , but there were generations of families here then , and they may have chosen to stay put , together . At least some of them ...

  • @BigT2664
    @BigT2664 2 роки тому +12

    After 9-11 I deployed too many times. We were spoiled in Iraq and Afghanistan in that many of us had the opportunity to stay in contact. The longest I was out of contact was two weeks. Contrast with Vietnam where my father-in-law served and went half a year without being able to phone home. So an occasional letter from home was a treat.

    • @janyenyo
      @janyenyo 2 роки тому +4

      My Husband was in "Nam, of course we were dating back then. I would get a letter perhaps a week or two after he sent it but I couldn't relax cause I didn't know if he was alive or dead with the letter in my hand......

  • @teleriferchnyfain
    @teleriferchnyfain 2 роки тому +8

    Excellent video. I would like to point out that legionnaires came from all over the Empire & were usually sent away from their homes, so letters home weren’t going to Rome all the time 😮 In the Republic more of the regular Legions were at least from the Italian peninsula of course.
    Love that letter about the birthday party - military wives 🤗

  • @TheCbtje123321
    @TheCbtje123321 2 роки тому +17

    Imperium Romanum is a fantastic channel! Especially if you are a fan of this channel. Show them some support!

  • @jeffzeiler346
    @jeffzeiler346 2 роки тому +3

    Very cool bits of humanity on display here. It's amazing how current and familiar the letters sound.

  • @Baltasarmk
    @Baltasarmk 2 роки тому +48

    Rome: a patriarchal society where daughters sometimes can be given numbers instead of names
    Also Rome: the most human letters are from/to mothers and sisters.

    • @peterfireflylund
      @peterfireflylund 2 роки тому +11

      Sons could also have number-names: Primus, Secundus, Tertius, ..., Decimus.

    • @someshtbaglcpl5455
      @someshtbaglcpl5455 2 роки тому +8

      Almost like “patriarchy” and misogyny aren’t interchangeable, no matter how much people wish to insist.

    • @cristhianramirez6939
      @cristhianramirez6939 2 роки тому +25

      Patriarcal doesn't mean the men didn't love their wives, mother,sisters, daughters, etc just that the Pater had the legal control of every member in his family

    • @druidriley3163
      @druidriley3163 2 роки тому +7

      @@cristhianramirez6939 And even then, despite the idea of paterfamilias having legal and literally life and death control over family members, you still had fathers who were softies who loved their kids, boys and girls and would indulge them.

    • @simonw1252
      @simonw1252 2 роки тому +2

      Life for women was unimaginably bad... Just awful.. The sons would have seen this, and would have pitied their lot compared to the men. So respect was total from the sons, they would have seen their mothers and sisters struggle on.

  • @cugelchannel4733
    @cugelchannel4733 2 роки тому +7

    Well, this one will resonate with troops from every era: "My soldiers have no beer! Please order some to be sent!" 😆

  • @Sanakudou
    @Sanakudou 2 роки тому +25

    I always adore these collab videos, the footage truly enhances the topic and particularly in this video complimented the idea of humanising those from the past.
    It’s always fascinating getting such personal glimpses into peoples lives and one can only wonder how the rest of their lives played out for them and all their families.
    Hope that one guy eventually got a letter back from his family 😅 tho who knows if they just weren’t bothering, if they had issues with getting a reliable letter sent back or if something bad had actually happened to them all while he was away.

  • @hugodesrosiers-plaisance3156
    @hugodesrosiers-plaisance3156 2 роки тому +5

    People are always people. Wonderful video, and stunning live-action material by Imperium Romanum.

  • @canadious6933
    @canadious6933 2 роки тому +8

    The older you get the more you hear of the more human parts of History and seeing what soldiers and people do today, it makes me sad. A lot of people deserve to live in peace and not through war or disease.

  • @PoorRightousTeacher
    @PoorRightousTeacher 2 роки тому +5

    Thank you for sharing this, it shows people weren't much different then. Love and Humanity Mother's missed their children who were serving on the Front lines and Soldiers missed their Families.

  • @safeysmith6720
    @safeysmith6720 2 роки тому +13

    I feel sorry for the guy who was writing to all his family members and not getting any replies.
    Maybe they were all dead. Or maybe they just didn’t like him very much. Perhaps, he was overbearing and needy.. who knows.
    Also I liked that one captain’s(equivalent) letter ending with, “The men have no more beer. Please order more.” 😂😂

  • @acebrandon3522
    @acebrandon3522 2 роки тому +4

    Letters from the past were so down to earth. Yesteryear soldiers and modern soldiers likes, and such never go out of style. Worries, Family, New Socks (very important) to a foot soldier.

  • @GRBoi1993
    @GRBoi1993 2 роки тому +4

    I remember being in fort Benning and frantically writing my family and friends often, written mail means so much more!

  • @paoloviti6156
    @paoloviti6156 2 роки тому +6

    A very interesting but unfortunately very small glimpse of the the Roman correspondence of the frontier. I really would love to read more of those correspondence but I think reading those lines after 2,000 years is nothing short of a miracle! Really a good job 👏 👌

  • @stefanschleps8758
    @stefanschleps8758 2 роки тому +4

    Fascinating, and a bit sobering, almost sad.
    Thanks for sharing with us.

  • @Caesars_Legate
    @Caesars_Legate 2 роки тому +9

    Great video, love seeing these humanizing aspects of history, would love to see more of this type of stuff in the future. Keep up the good work Invicta!

  • @saltminedevelopment
    @saltminedevelopment 2 роки тому +2

    The letters are a reminder that we are all the same and have always been. Good job

  • @indiosveritas
    @indiosveritas 2 роки тому +3

    Nice video !
    That being said, the concept of Hello Fresh is insane.

  • @lestercoons3962
    @lestercoons3962 2 роки тому +2

    I studied classical Latin in school. I truly desired to read about history first person and live. Such as Plinny the Younger writing about seeing the eruption of Vesuvius and the destruction of Pompeii in his native language.

  • @djpat5998
    @djpat5998 2 роки тому +3

    I was at an antique mall here in fort worth and I read some letters from Union and confederate soldiers to their wives, mothers, and girlfriends and some of them were really sad. People don't realize that we're all the same no where we're from, our language, skin color, and our religion.

  • @cj-hw3pv
    @cj-hw3pv 2 роки тому +9

    2 am upload? I'm here for it

    • @InvictaHistory
      @InvictaHistory  2 роки тому +6

      Always gotta keep you guys on your toes! Actually it was supposed to go up earlier today but I wanted to fit in more direct quotes from ancient letters. Hopefully this enriches the video further.

  • @Baltasarmk
    @Baltasarmk 2 роки тому +23

    I was surprised with the birthday party invitation. For some reason, I thought birthday celebrations are a recent thing.

    • @renerpho
      @renerpho 2 роки тому +14

      The Romans were the first to celebrate the birthdays of common people. However, the practice basically died out during the middle ages, and only reappeared again in the 1800s.

    • @janyenyo
      @janyenyo 2 роки тому +2

      ancient Egyptians celebrated Birthdays-Read the account in Genesis about Joseph in Egypt......

    • @RedRocket4000
      @RedRocket4000 2 роки тому

      It varies until 1900's in Japan they did not keep birthdays everyone celebrated getting one year older on New Years.

    • @RedRocket4000
      @RedRocket4000 2 роки тому

      @@renerpho Note with complex Roman dating system that at least up to Julius Caesar the actual date was only known to the Pontiff Maximus, the top religious leader and scribes, which Caesar held possession of that title and job. (fun the Senate picked who was religious leader in fact and also in name only there were two higher titles than Pontiff Maximus but they held no power.) Julius used that ability in Civil war to know when he could cross from Italy to Macedonia with less worry about the weather. His enemy did not and thus Caesar crossed safety.
      Thus at that point you had to wait till local temple stated the date and month every so often.

  • @EntropicTroponin
    @EntropicTroponin 2 роки тому +5

    That sock scene at 16:44 is amazing.

    • @renerpho
      @renerpho 2 роки тому +3

      Reenactment at its finest.

  • @JAGzilla-ur3lh
    @JAGzilla-ur3lh Рік тому

    You guys have one of the best history channels out there. Videos like this really help remind us that people thousands of years ago were no different than we are today. That fact tends to get lost, sometimes.

  • @larsrons7937
    @larsrons7937 2 роки тому +11

    Thank you for sharing this with us, I much appreciate it. Sometimes trivial things can be the most interesting. In return I wish to share a modern 2022 version not that different. A middleaged Ukrainian soldier sending greetings to his mother:
    _"Mom, hello. I ate, dressed warmly, put on a hat, and am going for a walk. No need to worry. My friends are with me. We will behave well. In fact, this message is not only for my mother, but for all our mothers who love us, wait for us and worry about us. I know you didn't raise us for war, but you raised us to be real men. And when trouble came to our country, we went to protect the most precious things that we have. Wait for us, we will definitely all come back and you can once again quarrel with us at home, tell us what we are doing wrong and cook something delicious for us. See you, at home."_
    Note: The "hat" is a helmet and the "walk" probably a venture into contested territory.

    • @janicem9225
      @janicem9225 2 роки тому

      "And we're getting hundreds of billions of dollars from the nincompoop American government, so our own president and his family can become filthy rich, while the rest of us suffer"
      Yep.
      That would be about it.

    • @larsrons7937
      @larsrons7937 2 роки тому

      @@janicem9225 You appear to be trying to post pro-Kremlin nonsense. Would you like to help getting lost?

  • @speederscout
    @speederscout 2 роки тому

    That last letter broke my heart. I will be thinking of him for years to come.

  • @ImagineMySurprise510
    @ImagineMySurprise510 2 роки тому +9

    This was interesting and I am reminded of the letters collected in the New Testament, particularly the introductions and salutations at the ends. It appears that Paul was using a format and prose that was common in writing letters at the time.

    • @markp44288
      @markp44288 2 роки тому +6

      He was a Roman citizen. So it shouldn't be completely surprising. I thought the same thing myself.

    • @druidriley3163
      @druidriley3163 2 роки тому

      We all do this. Don't we almost always start a letter or email with a greeting and end it with some sort of goodbye?

  • @yanceyricks2601
    @yanceyricks2601 2 роки тому +2

    It’s good to know that sibling rivalry did not effect everyone, even back then. What a pleasant surprise that letter is! 10:13.

  • @malahamavet
    @malahamavet 2 роки тому +12

    I love these kind of texts that presents the common people and how they have the same needs and feelings as us. it's obvious but not so obvious since most of us are more familiar whith wars and politicians, and it's easy to dehumanize people who died such a long time ago. So for me letters like this are more valuable than Caesar's writings, since they're unique, not mass produced and don't serve political purposes but emotional ones

  • @Lillarpy
    @Lillarpy 2 роки тому +5

    Such a beautiful and humane subject as a paus to the war videos (which are also great). Thank you for the video.

  • @voyaristika5673
    @voyaristika5673 8 місяців тому

    More proof that times change but people don't. Thank you for posting this video. It's amazing that we have any letters at all from those times. Being from everyday people makes them priceless.

  • @porcus123
    @porcus123 2 роки тому +1

    amazing how thrash yeps gives us the most wholesome roman side

  • @roeljoseph7905
    @roeljoseph7905 2 роки тому +15

    There must've been a lot of "Dear Marcuses" written, lmao. Inb4 "Britannia wasn't a real deployment."

    • @willlasdf123
      @willlasdf123 2 роки тому +3

      Scribes being the OG "chair force" with "air conditioned tents" lol

    • @robinharwood5044
      @robinharwood5044 2 роки тому

      @@willlasdf123 Well, if you’d learned to write, you could have had a cushy job too. But no, you were always off gawking at the chariot races and chasing after the slave girls.

  • @junebyrne4491
    @junebyrne4491 2 роки тому +5

    When my husband was in viet nam I sent him socks. Nothing has changed. I wrote him every day and sent packages with cookies.

    • @druidriley3163
      @druidriley3163 2 роки тому +1

      Some soldier wrote that his mother sent him cookies. When they arrived, they were covered in mold, but the man and his buddies scraped the mold off and ate them anyway and he never told his mother.

  • @nachox64
    @nachox64 10 місяців тому

    The letter of Apollinarus, its very wholesome, and full of hope of this young lad, Love to all who love you.
    A gentleman from many years ago, to you, cheers!😊

  • @GUDAJLasd
    @GUDAJLasd 2 роки тому +1

    Great video! I would love more of this kind of videos.

  • @jurassicpeter
    @jurassicpeter 2 роки тому +1

    These letters proves we people don't change in who we are and what we care about no matter the time we're born in.
    We have technology they could not have dreamt about, we know and do things they could never have concieved of, but in the end they were humans as we are.
    They loved their families and friends, they had their hardships, they fought their battles and they faced their times, same as we are.
    Maybe digital archeologists will look at what we comment here today and say the same about us.
    "They were humans same as us, and though we travel to the stars as immortal digital beings, we are still the same at our core as they were"

  • @machfiver753
    @machfiver753 8 місяців тому +1

    I wonder how shocked the senders and receivers of those letters would be knowing that hundreds and hundreds of years later people would be reading them?

  • @RexGalilae
    @RexGalilae 2 роки тому +4

    The Vindolanda letters are basically WhatsApp "Happy New Year", "Happy Birthday" messages from the ancient world

  • @legatuslegionarii2284
    @legatuslegionarii2284 2 роки тому +1

    Great video! Many thanks for this!

  • @helenamcginty4920
    @helenamcginty4920 2 роки тому +2

    I understood that the Vindolanda letters were found in the remains of a bonfire assumed to have been extinguished by rain. Anyone who knows the northern moorlands of England would not be at all surprised that it rained.

    • @Pesmog
      @Pesmog 2 роки тому +2

      Some of those Roman forts on Hadrian's wall and the Northern Pennines are in some pretty godforsaken places in terms of weather. A foot soldier posted there from the Mediterranean would have needed a robust constitution and a sense of humour.

  • @IMBRAHIMOVIC100
    @IMBRAHIMOVIC100 2 роки тому +2

    wow you guys went deep with the philosophy in this episode it touch my cold heart

  • @EvMund
    @EvMund 2 роки тому +4

    12:07 now we get to the really important stuff

  • @aragorn1780
    @aragorn1780 2 роки тому +1

    considering that the typical term of service for Legionnaires was 20-25 years, and many of them would be posted away at frontiers where they'd never have a chance to visit home for R&R or leave, and that the frontier posts were also the most dangerous postings where all the action happened, you can imagine how heavily that weighed on the soldiers, and how something so small and simple and even stupid could lift a sullen spirit
    imagine being posted on Hadrian's wall for the last 10 years of your life, the only comforts of modern life is the small nearby Britonic town half a day's walk away where some Roman merchants and craftsmen live, every few months there's a raid happening and you have to march north of the wall into the frontiers of Scotland to fend off the Picts, occasionally a few of your own get killed in battle... and you come back to the garrison to see a small letter from your younger sister teasing you in 2 lines, and a fresh blanket from your mom... you'd be a crying mess!

  • @markdean1984
    @markdean1984 2 роки тому +1

    Very very nice done and documented. Thank you

  • @LeeRaldar
    @LeeRaldar Рік тому +1

    I was able to able to see some examples of the Vindolanda letters last year in the museum at Hadrian's wall. The story is the fort commander had done his time at the fort and was having a clear out before leaving so he had a lot of old paperwork put on a bonfire and perhaps on that day it rained as much of it was not burned. The charred remnants became buried under more stuff, covered in soil and the peaty acidic earth preserved what was left over the centuries.

  • @josephchummar7361
    @josephchummar7361 10 місяців тому

    This is the emotional life a soldier think of all wareirs whole a long isolated life awayey frome their dear and near ones ,some most never saw their family again .my sorrows and salute to them .

  • @cferolie
    @cferolie 2 роки тому

    Wonderful thank-you connected with today's warriors like my Father in WW2 as a Combat Infantry Battalion Officer who wrote home 🙏

  • @carolmarr6607
    @carolmarr6607 Рік тому

    The video on Roman letter writing was excellent. I hope to visit Hadrian's Wall this year and the Vindolanda museum.