Hello Mike Thanks for the review of this plane. I've been looking for one that shows the entire cabin. The purpose of the third door is for the same reason as the Jabiru 230 having 3 doors. Before it was exported to the U.S. it was certified in it's originating country as a 4 seater. They took out the rear seat and reworked the numbers to make it LSA in the U.S,
Super aesthetics. Absolutely gorgeous! Supreme visibility. Tough choice given it's probably 1 formidable competitor? Car creature comforts (cup holders, seriously?!👍). Actually plush high end seats fully retractable, sliding. That full-on full sized cargo door, geez. LSA, crazy nice. Wing: How the wing strut angles back from wing mount! Clever, so while seated, I imagine they're not visible or at worst minimally obstructive => clear vision. Versus - Ranger, where the metal bracing tubes obstructing forward vision behind the windshield, are annoying at best, and never going away, ever. Ranger's cantilevered implementation are great in mind however- the way the Montaer's struts sweep back, they look to hardly be visible from the cabin, and barely if any issue at all for loading, and tie down. Speaking of, tie down is, the one time when I'd be a bit more at ease having wings supported by struts. Which means, most of the time, if hangar space was full or rather save that money and just cover the plane on the tarmac. But from just looking from here, seems you'd have to strain your neck to see the Montaer wing struts from the cabin. Ranger, interior so what if I track in some grass, sand, mud sort of austere. Montaer, warm, soft, inviting, I think I'll take a nap right in here, wives and girlie girls would love. Instrumentation: No fair, after all Dynon IS Daddy, and both sides R/L are covered. Ranger avionics are ridiculously beyond full featured given the unbelievable VW of the skies price for even base models ready to fly. Tough choice. Very tough. Guess it depends on mission, with money saved, that'd buy T hanger. But those darned tubes. Smack dab front view, behind the windshield. Capitulation, if one can afford 130,000 one can likely also afford 170,000. All added $ discomfort forgotten at the mere sight of a Montaer and certainly when ever inside it. Me, I'm accustomed to looking around my phone in my car, and tips of fishing poles to the right. Continental power plant, less complex, easier to maintain, no worry of what can go wrong with a turbo, high benefit to cost. Rotax 915, lower benefit to cost ratio given the gains, and mission. Shorter TBO interval, likely more expensive to overhaul. As totally gorgeous as the Montaer is, I'd still go with a Ranger. If my budget could do a brand new 182, I'd get 2 Rangers, and flight lessons for my partner/primary otherwise occupier of the other seat. LOL! Or just 2, one on floats moored Alatoona, the other at McCollum 😮 . . . . . . and then I woke up, fumbling around for socks, shoes, needing to be at work by Zero Two-thirty hours 😂
Mike, Love the vids you put out. The numbers are important but the ones most reviews leave out are the cabin width at the hip and shoulder. Us big guys love those numbers. Keep a fabric tape measure in your pocket for your reviews. One last thing, How tall are you? That will give us something to compare by.
I wish they had it in 4 place too. I am narrowing my choice now to two different airplane. Velocity OR Lancair IV-. Both are almost identical price. I will decide with in next couple of weeks or a month.
I am leaning toward Velocity because still is in business.. Lancair is almost out of business and they no longer have the 4 place that I am interested in. They sold it to Cessna.
I recently saw another video featuring this plane. Apparently in Brazil it's sold as a 4 seater so that's why there's a third door. I like this walk around and the interior view. How tall are you? I'm tall myself at 6'5"-ish and wonder about how well I'd fit in these smaller planes.
If there are any experimental or LSA’s here in the U.S. that you may not heard of, is it ok to post it on your FB page? There’s a manufacturer in Florida that has sells a 2-seat and a 4-seat that I don’t think there are any reviews on, period.
Adjustable seats- check Rotax - check Good headroom - check Baggage door - double check Large baggage compartment - check Stick - wait, a yoke? So close to a perfect design
@@HelloWorldETX I’ll give it a try at my earliest convenience. I think a common complaint would be that stick between the Passenger knees has more possibility for interference while yoke takes some intent. As far as control harmony and feel, I expect you know more than I do and will say stick is definitely better for that?
@@azcoyote007 Before changing to a stick, i just had no idea how much more relaxing and comfortable it is than a yoke. A stick does a number of things for me... it opens up the panel area without needing to make room for the yoke. When I need to use my hands i can quickly secure the stick with my knees and have both hands free; same for during preflight runup. it lets me hand fly comfortably for hours with either hand by resting my forearm on my legs and just tiny control inputs with a couple of fingers. it makes for much more responsive input with less flailing around of my whole arm and hand. I have never had any more issue with a passenger interfering with a stick than i have with a yoke or rudder pedals. As a part of preflight i do point out that if they feel the stick against their leg they need to give it more clearance, but honestly it would be a very large control input for them to be limiting movement and they get an idea how far the stick can move during the preflight "free and correct' control test box. if it worries you, remove the stick from the passenger side. after several hours behind a stick, i came to wonder why they even make yokes. Of course for those that just flip on the autopilot as soon as they leave the runway, they are just a passenger anyway so it probably doesn't really matter to them. In my search for my next airplane, the first two requirements are high wing and a stick. Everything after that is probably negotiable. but this beautiful aircraft seems to have everything i am looking for...... except for the stick, which for me makes it a no-go.
@@zore1998 I flew a DHC8 from 1988 to 2014 as captain and every 6 months when doing PIC/PPC checks Its a pain in the neck to see the flight instruments in certain maneuvers because the yokes block the view of the flight instruments. the yokes have to be higher than a stick to clear the knees which means the instrument panel needs to be higher. A lower mounted glaresheild improves safety, as in climb out it allows better forward visiblity. A center stick allows us to use any or both hands, so like me if you fall off your motorcycle and hurt one hand you can still fly with the other. its pretty difficult to fly a left sidestick with a right hand. my 2 cents
an example is an immediate left turn at 50 feet to avoid terrain with left(critical) engine failure with no autofeather. with right aileron to counter the overbanking tendency towards the dead engine, that big yoke is blocking too many critical instruments. in instrument conditions we don't want to be moving our heads too much, trying to get a view around the yoke, which can induce vertigo...
It's strange that the Montaer website is only offered in Portuguese......the amount of money they would of spent developing and manufacturing the aircraft you'd think a few more thousand bucks spent on website & marketing would make sense???????
Unfortunately the times are not on our Favor Regarding airplane purchase. I am brasilian and MC1 cost US$98.000.00 Fully equiped. Iguess the dealers here are making a killer overhead.
Somewhat 'strange': Empty weight 410kg, MTOW 600kg, so Load 190kg but when filling up tanks fully (100kg) only 90kg (~1 person) load left ... am Inoverseeing something!?
I would assume the MTOW in Brazil is much higher since it is sold as a (4) place. If you don’t mind breaking the 600kg limit, load it up and use the Brazilian weight limit. Hopefully in the next couple of years, the FAA will expand the limits of weight and passengers related to the sport pilot license.
Are there really yoke advocates that have spent appreciable time with a center stick and still want a yoke. (Not the side stick disaster but a traditional center stick). I flew a yoke for decades before switching to a stick and now I cannot imagine ever going back to a yoke.
I blame very interested in the plane, but I can not seem to get any reliable information on its availability. I tried contacting the "supposed" dealer in Maryland but he seemed to be rather clueless. My point: I'm not sure this aircraft is going to become a reality here in the US. Might be a winner in Brazil though! Oh, and $60,000. less in Brazil!!!
Oh, and by the way, my town has a great little uncontrolled airport (ok… “great” may have been a stretch), but, come fly in, stay with us for a day or two, eat, drink and be part of the family, even better, bring your’s as well!! Most importantly, take me flying! I’ll cover your gas bill to / from! Come hang!!! We would love to have y’all!
Hey Guys/Gals! I don’t have a pilots license but would like to buy a 4/5 seater plane. Very cheap if possible. Can anyone recommend a good plane. Looking to fly from Delaware to Florida regularly
Looks a lot like the Tecnam P2008JC but the Italian is sexier... Comparing this to a C172 is nonsense.. 2 seat vs 4 seat. Cabin room is not honest as you sit way back. Cant fly like that.
G,day Mojo Mike from Sydney Australia. You said "tell me what you think"... Well I don't like to talk out of school, but; I don't like the seat belts. They are inferior when flying in heavy turbulence. I'm sorry Mike: that's my opinion! Good to see you. 🌏🇦🇺
With light materials and quality build, LSA could actually carry 4 people within weight limits, just not allowed. And with two tiny turbofan jets, 4 people is easy within 600kg. Imagine dat.
Congratulations!
From Brazil
Hello Mike Thanks for the review of this plane. I've been looking for one that shows the entire cabin. The purpose of the third door is for the same reason as the Jabiru 230 having 3 doors. Before it was exported to the U.S. it was certified in it's originating country as a 4 seater. They took out the rear seat and reworked the numbers to make it LSA in the U.S,
About darn time they had fully reclining seats.
I like that little plane..love the reclining seats and third door..
Nice airplane man! The price is good too! Thank you !
Thanks Mike. Love your channel, keep showing those new aircraft.
It was awesome seeing you film this video at Oshkosh!
Great share for a nice aircraft. I think that extra door makes it easier to load the 77lbs after having those nice big front seats.
Exactly
Fantastic! Greetings from Canada.
Good video, Mike. I enjoyed it.
What a wonderful aircraft
Super aesthetics. Absolutely gorgeous! Supreme visibility.
Tough choice given it's probably 1 formidable competitor?
Car creature comforts (cup holders, seriously?!👍). Actually plush high end seats fully retractable, sliding. That full-on full sized cargo door, geez. LSA, crazy nice.
Wing: How the wing strut angles back from wing mount! Clever, so while seated, I imagine they're not visible or at worst minimally obstructive => clear vision.
Versus - Ranger, where the metal bracing tubes obstructing forward vision behind the windshield, are annoying at best, and never going away, ever. Ranger's cantilevered implementation are great in mind however- the way the Montaer's struts sweep back, they look to hardly be visible from the cabin, and barely if any issue at all for loading, and tie down. Speaking of, tie down is, the one time when I'd be a bit more at ease having wings supported by struts. Which means, most of the time, if hangar space was full or rather save that money and just cover the plane on the tarmac. But from just looking from here, seems you'd have to strain your neck to see the Montaer wing struts from the cabin.
Ranger, interior so what if I track in some grass, sand, mud sort of austere.
Montaer, warm, soft, inviting, I think I'll take a nap right in here, wives and girlie girls would love.
Instrumentation:
No fair, after all Dynon IS Daddy, and both sides R/L are covered. Ranger avionics are ridiculously beyond full featured given the unbelievable VW of the skies price for even base models ready to fly.
Tough choice. Very tough.
Guess it depends on mission, with money saved, that'd buy T hanger. But those darned tubes. Smack dab front view, behind the windshield. Capitulation, if one can afford 130,000 one can likely also afford 170,000. All added $ discomfort forgotten at the mere sight of a Montaer and certainly when ever inside it.
Me, I'm accustomed to looking around my phone in my car, and tips of fishing poles to the right.
Continental power plant, less complex, easier to maintain, no worry of what can go wrong with a turbo, high benefit to cost.
Rotax 915, lower benefit to cost ratio given the gains, and mission. Shorter TBO interval, likely more expensive to overhaul.
As totally gorgeous as the Montaer is, I'd still go with a Ranger.
If my budget could do a brand new 182, I'd get 2 Rangers, and flight lessons for my partner/primary otherwise occupier of the other seat. LOL! Or just 2, one on floats moored Alatoona, the other at McCollum 😮 . . .
. . . and then I woke up, fumbling around for socks, shoes, needing to be at work by Zero Two-thirty hours 😂
Bruno got ALL the way UP to USA including mojogrip. Great airplane
Super nice ! Thanks Mike !
surprise with price and quality.... 👍👍
Oh I like that one!
For some reason every video by mojo mike never tells what the useful load is it’s probably one of the most important things you could know
Very Nice.
If they offer it with a tail wheel I'd definitely consider it!
You landing in grass?
@@JoeCnNd maybe, I like how they look
Win for the yoke brothers. You hardly find them these days, it's mostly sidesticks now haha.
Nice aircraft
Mike, Love the vids you put out. The numbers are important but the ones most reviews leave out are the cabin width at the hip and shoulder. Us big guys love those numbers. Keep a fabric tape measure in your pocket for your reviews. One last thing, How tall are you? That will give us something to compare by.
Amazing interior detail, and a proper T-handle throttle lever. Clean panel. And a bargain at the price.
Well done Mike...thanv
Very nice. and good price.
Is this going to be available in a stick version?
Sweet Machine!
This is a beautiful plane Mike, I love it, It would be great for trainer.
Nice!
Nice plane
Looks like a mix of a piper and Cessna
I wonder what the reason was to put the third door on the right side? It should be on the left side, the pilot side.
I wish they had it in 4 place too.
I am narrowing my choice now to two different airplane.
Velocity OR Lancair IV-. Both are almost identical price.
I will decide with in next couple of weeks or a month.
I am sure they will sell you the 4 Seater too.
He mentioned that you could put 2 more seats in the back but the issue is payloads.
@@bnosrati only with a LSA configuration. The normal PPL and Experimental status should work out.
I am leaning toward Velocity because still is in business.. Lancair is almost out of business and they no longer have the 4 place that I am interested in. They sold it to Cessna.
Practical question. Since it’s a LSA, why not just use a rotax 912, or 914?
It’s a 172 clone in LSA clothing?
Was this the turbo?
MIke, love, love, love the channel. What did you use to get the Rotax decals off the nose of your plane?
It’s like a Brazilian Jabiru.
Hey man! When I’m 16 3 years to go get flight training I could rent this out? I wanna get my sport license
I recently saw another video featuring this plane. Apparently in Brazil it's sold as a 4 seater so that's why there's a third door. I like this walk around and the interior view. How tall are you? I'm tall myself at 6'5"-ish and wonder about how well I'd fit in these smaller planes.
He said he's 5'10" in a previous video. He should get more in the habit of saying that when he's talking about head and leg room.
@@operator0 thanks for the info.
My same thoughts and it looks like the ticket for me
If there are any experimental or LSA’s here in the U.S. that you may not heard of, is it ok to post it on your FB page? There’s a manufacturer in Florida that has sells a 2-seat and a 4-seat that I don’t think there are any reviews on, period.
Adjustable seats- check
Rotax - check
Good headroom - check
Baggage door - double check
Large baggage compartment - check
Stick - wait, a yoke? So close to a perfect design
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Yoke looks perfect to me.
@@azcoyote007 i thought the same for about 30 years, then i started flying a stick and can't imagine having to go back to a yoke
@@HelloWorldETX I’ll give it a try at my earliest convenience. I think a common complaint would be that stick between the Passenger knees has more possibility for interference while yoke takes some intent. As far as control harmony and feel, I expect you know more than I do and will say stick is definitely better for that?
@@azcoyote007 Before changing to a stick, i just had no idea how much more relaxing and comfortable it is than a yoke. A stick does a number of things for me... it opens up the panel area without needing to make room for the yoke. When I need to use my hands i can quickly secure the stick with my knees and have both hands free; same for during preflight runup. it lets me hand fly comfortably for hours with either hand by resting my forearm on my legs and just tiny control inputs with a couple of fingers. it makes for much more responsive input with less flailing around of my whole arm and hand. I have never had any more issue with a passenger interfering with a stick than i have with a yoke or rudder pedals. As a part of preflight i do point out that if they feel the stick against their leg they need to give it more clearance, but honestly it would be a very large control input for them to be limiting movement and they get an idea how far the stick can move during the preflight "free and correct' control test box. if it worries you, remove the stick from the passenger side. after several hours behind a stick, i came to wonder why they even make yokes. Of course for those that just flip on the autopilot as soon as they leave the runway, they are just a passenger anyway so it probably doesn't really matter to them.
In my search for my next airplane, the first two requirements are high wing and a stick. Everything after that is probably negotiable. but this beautiful aircraft seems to have everything i am looking for...... except for the stick, which for me makes it a no-go.
Cool plane
Thanks, a really nice looking aircraft. Also wondered if the electric eGull high wing was there this year?
Nice Job Sir … Mojo way to go … have fun
Did you fly in or drive in?
Looks alot like a C177 with the slopping windscreen
Drop the yoke and put hand control like the Cirrus SR22 and they have a winner.
Nah, too many yoke fans to do that. I'd offer both as an option.
Why a Yoke?
why not?
Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't,...
@@zore1998 I flew a DHC8 from 1988 to 2014 as captain and every 6 months when doing PIC/PPC checks Its a pain in the neck to see the flight instruments in certain maneuvers because the yokes block the view of the flight instruments. the yokes have to be higher than a stick to clear the knees which means the instrument panel needs to be higher.
A lower mounted glaresheild improves safety, as in climb out it allows better forward visiblity.
A center stick allows us to use any or both hands, so like me if you fall off your motorcycle and hurt one hand you can still fly with the other. its pretty difficult to fly a left sidestick with a right hand.
my 2 cents
an example is an immediate left turn at 50 feet to avoid terrain with left(critical) engine failure with no autofeather. with right aileron to counter the overbanking tendency towards the dead engine, that big yoke is blocking too many critical instruments. in instrument conditions we don't want to be moving our heads too much, trying to get a view around the yoke, which can induce vertigo...
How much?
What’s the range? 🤔
Looks stall free from start. Nice plane. 👍
Grear video . Could it be transported cross Ocean?
Maybe in a shipping container
Cheers.
Can Montaer be a legit trainer in the US?
What’s the range
169k gets you steam gauges only with a carbureted 912. Add 50k to get into Garmin avionics.
It's strange that the Montaer website is only offered in Portuguese......the amount of money they would of spent developing and manufacturing the aircraft you'd think a few more thousand bucks spent on website & marketing would make sense???????
Unfortunately the times are not on our Favor Regarding airplane purchase. I am brasilian and MC1 cost US$98.000.00 Fully equiped. Iguess the dealers here are making a killer overhead.
Somewhat 'strange': Empty weight 410kg, MTOW 600kg, so Load 190kg but when filling up tanks fully (100kg) only 90kg (~1 person) load left ... am Inoverseeing something!?
I was literally about to comment this.
Most light sports don’t hold 36 gallons but yeah def a light load, either full gas or full cabin
I would assume the MTOW in Brazil is much higher since it is sold as a (4) place. If you don’t mind breaking the 600kg limit, load it up and use the Brazilian weight limit. Hopefully in the next couple of years, the FAA will expand the limits of weight and passengers related to the sport pilot license.
@@ljbern1 by about 300 lbs as I recall
@@azcoyote007 Wouldn’t that be nice to add 300 to the gross. One can only dream…. Be well Sir.
Are there really yoke advocates that have spent appreciable time with a center stick and still want a yoke. (Not the side stick disaster but a traditional center stick). I flew a yoke for decades before switching to a stick and now I cannot imagine ever going back to a yoke.
This will be my first plane
Useful load with gas tanks full is 232 pounds.
Thats pathetic and takes away the cross country aspect for a full size pilot
If I weigh 200 pounds does that mean my passenger must weigh less than 32 pounds?
I blame very interested in the plane, but I can not seem to get any reliable information on its availability. I tried contacting the "supposed" dealer in Maryland but he seemed to be rather clueless. My point: I'm not sure this aircraft is going to become a reality here in the US. Might be a winner in Brazil though! Oh, and $60,000. less in Brazil!!!
Oh, and by the way, my town has a great little uncontrolled airport (ok… “great” may have been a stretch), but, come fly in, stay with us for a day or two, eat, drink and be part of the family, even better, bring your’s as well!! Most importantly, take me flying! I’ll cover your gas bill to / from! Come hang!!! We would love to have y’all!
I heard you say 77 lbs for stuff, but what's the actual useful load? Range? It is a nice plane. Is the price fully assembled?
Weight and balance is also important. Fill it up and load two standard people with 77 lbs of baggage is usually not possible
@@flexairz ahh. And this is suppose to be like a C172? Hmmm?
Hey Guys/Gals! I don’t have a pilots license but would like to buy a 4/5 seater plane. Very cheap if possible. Can anyone recommend a good plane. Looking to fly from Delaware to Florida regularly
If we use a 200 hp engine on this plane, will the speed and range double?
Made in Bahia
Beginner pilot. You mean you?
You can’t get in until you pull you pants up 😭
Mojo-Mike! Yet another fine episode! Now, as a relatively new subscriber to your channel, please explain to me where you came up with, “MojoGrip?” 👍🏼
Mojo is my name/initials: Mike Ojo. Grip comes from love for cars, motorcycles and airplanes :)
@@mojogrip I was looking for music and somehow ended up at MojoGrip LOL.
More like a Cessna 150 with a bit more muscle
Looks a lot like the Tecnam P2008JC but the Italian is sexier...
Comparing this to a C172 is nonsense.. 2 seat vs 4 seat.
Cabin room is not honest as you sit way back. Cant fly like that.
More like a 150 with a bit more muscle.
👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻🇩🇿🇩🇿🇩🇿🇩🇿✌🏻
G,day Mojo Mike from Sydney Australia.
You said "tell me what you think"...
Well I don't like to talk out of school, but; I don't like the seat belts. They are inferior when flying in heavy turbulence.
I'm sorry Mike: that's my opinion!
Good to see you.
🌏🇦🇺
With light materials and quality build, LSA could actually carry 4 people within weight limits, just not allowed. And with two tiny turbofan jets, 4 people is easy within 600kg. Imagine dat.
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160k $ can buy many good plane 6 seat plane.
Nope too much money
It’s pronounced ‘rotach’.
✅ Over priced!
That is such a dumb plane...
This plane is a POS