Best DIY Door For a Hangar or Shop (Full BUILD)

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  • @bryan9498
    @bryan9498 7 місяців тому +31

    As an elevator mechanic I really like how you came up with the door opener and counterweight, it uses the same principles we use. I would however think about building a guard around the counter weight so they don’t crush someone if the cable breaks or a kid walks underneath it when the door is opening. That’s how most guys are killed in our trade😢we call the counter weight the “silent killer”!

  • @BenWeeksBonanzaPilot
    @BenWeeksBonanzaPilot 7 місяців тому +20

    The timing on this video was impeccable! We’re about to build a couple of doors and this will be the design we use. Thanks a million, Jonas!

  • @KDAero
    @KDAero 7 місяців тому +9

    Right in time, I am just about to start constructing my hangar door! Thank you dude! Mine is going to be 36.1feet by 12.5feet.
    I was thinking about swing doors, but you made me change my mind. Will think it over )

  • @ROCROCROC1
    @ROCROCROC1 7 місяців тому +5

    Although I will never build a hanger or door to go with it (age), this was an exceptionally well done video. Seems to be honest and forthright and informative on how to do it. Those folks having a need for a door now or later will certainly consider this video to help them make a choice. An excellent spokesperson too for the project and the company. Most people who know your work know as well that you would do it yourself if possible. There are a lot of people out there who don't have your skill or the tools to go with it. Now, let's fill that hanger with a worthy plane to go with it. A plane that will safely carry you and mom and that beautiful baby. Family fun flight videos yet to come!!!! I prefer that over a married guy flying alone sharing beautiful scenery and an occasional mishap.

  • @GC987
    @GC987 7 місяців тому +2

    An engineering mastermind at work. Brilliant.

  • @BrianPhillipsRC
    @BrianPhillipsRC 7 місяців тому +1

    First, thanks so much! That build is amazing! Megan and I gotta get you to fly into our property whenever you're flying through Iowa. We're building our pond right now, on our 24 acre property, but then we're putting in a crosswind strip for our RC channel, which will include a heli pad, acting as the transition from the main RC runway to the "dam" runway, at the end of which will be our 60'X80'X20' building. We're calling that the "dam" gift shop, which will need a door similar to this design. Your video is a GOD SENT!!! Thank you so much! When the Dam gift shop is done, our finishing touch, and the culmination of decades pursuit will be the full scale runway, a full scale grass strip of about 1000 foot +/- depending on the way we position it. Our proposed location would probably already work fine for landing strip with the right STOL aircraft, but the dirt work to make it smooth, lessen grade changes over the length of the strip, and improve safety margins, will really make it really nice, especially for STOL aircraft! We've run into a few other guys over the last couple years who have expressed interest in flying in, and we'd love to figure out a way to make it happen for any and all who might be interested. My ambitions are coming to fruition, but one big difficulty is actually getting a few sets of aviation eyes on the site, so I can make sure I'm not missing any major problems that might be easy to avoid, or cost savings measures to speed up the process, and still end up with a great outcome. I appreciate what you're doing here, and love seeing the progress!

  • @oltimer5544
    @oltimer5544 7 місяців тому +4

    Awesome Jonas! You da Man!! Best door I've seen. A large hydraulic lift door at our county airport collapsed from the up position. One of the welds at the frame opening where the hydraulic ram attached failed. As the door twisted and came down the other weld failed, and sheet metal screws started popping out by the hundreds. Luckily no one was under it and no airplane. Ever since then I have become wary of them. I don't like to stand or walk under them.

    • @JonasMarcinko
      @JonasMarcinko  7 місяців тому

      WOW. that's crazy! thanks for sharing. yeah hangar doors are scary.

  • @MrToddsCorner
    @MrToddsCorner 7 місяців тому +12

    I really like Trent's hanger, but this is one I might be able to afford. Nice job Jonas! And when it comes to form or function, I'll take function anytime, and this works.

  • @TheBarzook
    @TheBarzook 7 місяців тому +9

    Really nice work, well thought out and I believe this is the most simple design you can use for DIY a door and pretty easy on the building structure too.

  • @giovannicintolo89
    @giovannicintolo89 7 місяців тому +7

    was thinking about making a bifold door for my garage, because it won't take the ceiling space of a conventional door. I think this is a better design and good compromise between inside shop ceiling height and reduced strain on the building. Thanks for sharing!

  • @johnfitzpatrick2469
    @johnfitzpatrick2469 7 місяців тому +2

    Exceptionally detailed educational video. G,day Jonas and Silvia from Sydney Australia. The locking brackets along the top of the door are ingenuity: second to none.
    I'll need to watch this video a number of times, to extract multiple layers of fabricating content.
    Kind regards
    🌏🇭🇲

  • @danbarone7643
    @danbarone7643 7 місяців тому +4

    That is an awesome design, especially using a garage door opener, you can open the door when you pull up to your hanger with a remote.

  • @leemccready4652
    @leemccready4652 7 місяців тому +4

    Great video Jonas. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I drove through eastern ID the other day. That wind and cold is no joke. I bet you're glad to finally have a weather tight place to get stuff done. Awesome job.

  • @jking755
    @jking755 7 місяців тому +3

    Excellent how to!!
    Thanks for taking the time to go through the complete construction and installation .

  • @trentnelson5514
    @trentnelson5514 7 місяців тому +1

    Thanks a ton ! I’ll have to watch this about 50 times but cool!

  • @barrysimmons5489
    @barrysimmons5489 7 місяців тому +1

    Now that's sure "uptown" if ever there was. Great job Jonas. Nice to see yer Bride and beautiful baby. Trust Y'all had a great Thanksgiving.
    Thanks for sharing in such detail.
    👍🇺🇸♥️🖐😎

  • @benjaminreinhardt259
    @benjaminreinhardt259 7 місяців тому +1

    Some impressive engineering that goes into that. I like it. I have no need for one. But want one now.

  • @philsal17
    @philsal17 7 місяців тому +1

    Enjoyed learning how to build a garage door, PLUS, we got to see the wife and kid!

  • @cessnapilot9727
    @cessnapilot9727 7 місяців тому +2

    Great job and great video Jonas!

  • @saltydecimator
    @saltydecimator 7 місяців тому +1

    4:00 lolz time(weather) was right to keep more
    Of the outdoors out of your indoors😂!! Feels great to have your planes at your house eh!?!!

  • @williamwintemberg
    @williamwintemberg 7 місяців тому +2

    Beautiful, Jonas! When a plan comes together and works. It looks nice as well!

  • @gazzpazzer
    @gazzpazzer 7 місяців тому +2

    Very well done.

  • @dennisjay3277
    @dennisjay3277 7 місяців тому +3

    How about putting your extra counter weight on the other side of the door. Tie the cable to the frame on top. Run along the track into a pulley back to the wall, around a pulley to your dead weight.

    • @JonasMarcinko
      @JonasMarcinko  7 місяців тому +1

      That's what I would have done if I didn't have enough space for the extra counter weights.

  • @robertcorbin2749
    @robertcorbin2749 7 місяців тому +1

    Another great video. Gutsiest door build I’ve ever seen man. Congratulations.

  • @jimcripps3612
    @jimcripps3612 7 місяців тому +1

    Nice! I went the other way with my Hangar doors and made them just slide on wee rail tracks. Actually angle iron set in concrete. easy peasy. Regards, Jim the Brit in NI UK

  • @dac7046
    @dac7046 7 місяців тому +2

    Great job and thanks for sharing. I’d encourage you to take a hard look at wind load and whether you should have a truss or two on inside of door for extreme wind events. Walking through the process would make a good video too.

  • @bt9653
    @bt9653 7 місяців тому +2

    Excellent video!
    I’m actually more than likely going to be building the door shortly and I was looking at this design.

  • @johnnyhag675
    @johnnyhag675 7 місяців тому +2

    What an awesome design.

  • @charlesmiller6970
    @charlesmiller6970 7 місяців тому +1

    Awesome I am redoing my garage great timing

  • @rayforigo4747
    @rayforigo4747 7 місяців тому

    wow just wow

  • @challenger2ultralightadventure
    @challenger2ultralightadventure 7 місяців тому +2

    Very very nice! When I build my hangar, I will most definitely use this kind of hangar door. I really like that it gives full clearance when open, and offers so much less stress on the structure of the building. Cheers from Winnipeg.

  • @jeffpearce1949
    @jeffpearce1949 7 місяців тому

    Wow - I am really impressed with your design. Great Job!

  • @portnuefflyer
    @portnuefflyer 7 місяців тому +1

    I had a remote at first for my HydroSwing door on my shop (19' wide by 14" high) but quit using it when I found the "all at once" sudden shock of the remote commanding the door to open was stressing my framed building. After researching various ways to make the remote do a soft start, and coming up empty, I quit using it. I also welded some flat bar to the door center by the ceiling, and ran it clear back to the opposite end of the building to quit stressing just the building front so much. Now I operate the hydraulic opening valve by hand, and made a longer lever for it to make it easier to very gradually start the opening process, once open a few inches the initial stress goes largely away. My hangar HydroSwing, being bolted to a concrete wall, is bulletproof. The main reason I went HydroSwig, is the harder the wind blows against it, the tighter it seals, it seals as tight as a man door.

  • @patrickheavirland3599
    @patrickheavirland3599 7 місяців тому +1

    Good morning from Minnesota! Good episode!

  • @aviationled_mmix
    @aviationled_mmix 2 місяці тому +1

    Great stuff 👍👍 … I’m going to have to watch this over and over many times, as it is packed with great design tips 👏
    Well done Jonas. Thank you for sharing 🙏

    • @aviationled_mmix
      @aviationled_mmix 2 місяці тому

      Happy you chose 3/8” diameter cable - because one of the issues over time, can be cable wear (fraying for instance) where cables come into contact with structure.
      3/8” diameter cable will have many more wire strands in the wire bundles and that should mitigate wear ‘n’ tear much better for a longer overall life span 🤔

  • @wabbatech
    @wabbatech 7 місяців тому +2

    Very, very impressive………..

  • @davidrobins4025
    @davidrobins4025 6 місяців тому +1

    Great job, Jonas. I love the DYI features you built into your door. I trust it will serve you well for many years.

  • @markstoll9636
    @markstoll9636 7 місяців тому +1

    probably one of your best videos..although the sprocket on the dirt bike to launch you on skis was over the top too!

  • @HomesickforAlaska
    @HomesickforAlaska 7 місяців тому +1

    What an awsome build.
    Even though its not, I love the "Rube Goldburg" feeling.
    Now you need to have colored lights start flashing, a smoke machine add fog around the plane and the marching theme music from Star Wars start playing every time you open the door.

    • @JonasMarcinko
      @JonasMarcinko  7 місяців тому +1

      haha I might do that in a video! thanks for the idea 🤓

  • @tomscott3939
    @tomscott3939 7 місяців тому +1

    nice design jonas!! give the baby a hug for me!!!

  • @karlswope2331
    @karlswope2331 7 місяців тому

    Outstanding job. Looks great and operates fantastic 👏

  • @loft306
    @loft306 2 місяці тому

    Yes, definitely building this, and I would probably have the counterweight first and design the lifting mechanism to lift The counterweight and then the door can just go along for the ride. I've been struggling with many different potential door setups. I can't have a whole lot of the door sticking out to the outside below 14 ft. but it needs to be a single sheet. I think this will solve everything without having to use hydraulics and having to have pits for the cylinders. I love things that are designed with the principal of kiss (keep it simple stupid). I love how you cleaned up the look of the cables on the outside.

  • @TheKerb17
    @TheKerb17 7 місяців тому +1

    Awesome video and fantastically explained 👌 watching from the UK 🇬🇧

  • @benjaminbixby8459
    @benjaminbixby8459 7 місяців тому +1

    One of your best videos, seriously great

  • @marttimattila9561
    @marttimattila9561 7 місяців тому +2

    My Motorglider spans 13 meter, needs a 46 feed door, hopefully to be build in next Summer. Having now 11,5 meter door and requires swingin the plane when taking it in and out. Good luck for your hangar. It is a big difference if you have 36 feed or 46 feed door to make.

  • @joshheatwole
    @joshheatwole 7 місяців тому +2

    excellent tutorial. i made mine almost identical but used some hardware from ultimate door. i used a winch but also used some counter weight so that there is always some tension on the cables even if my winch goes slack

  • @ned_mograph5957
    @ned_mograph5957 7 місяців тому

    this is awesome and informative! Thanks for sharing!

  • @TreDeuce-qw3kv
    @TreDeuce-qw3kv 7 місяців тому

    Aut-O-Locks _ I also used them on my Bi-fold Hanger doors. A properly engineered door and header opening spreads the load of the weight applied to it and eliminates or minimizes thrust and shear forces.

  • @justinparker7795
    @justinparker7795 6 місяців тому

    Thank You for doing this video!!

  • @siiilvija1
    @siiilvija1 7 місяців тому +4

    Took a long time, but it’s done! Good job! So proud of you🤍

  • @ericbooth4772
    @ericbooth4772 7 місяців тому

    Well done Jonas!

  • @usdigitalencoders
    @usdigitalencoders 5 місяців тому

    It's cool to see your process and how this project came together.

  • @justadudedoinstuff9142
    @justadudedoinstuff9142 7 місяців тому +2

    You’re hanger and your videos are way better than Trent’s!!

  • @KerboOnYT
    @KerboOnYT 7 місяців тому +1

    Really neat build. Thanks for showing us how it was done

  • @1bobharvey
    @1bobharvey 5 місяців тому

    Great video, thanks for the ideas!

  • @MrMiller123
    @MrMiller123 6 місяців тому +2

    Great diy door build

  • @slamsshenanigans2296
    @slamsshenanigans2296 7 місяців тому +1

    Awesome job Jonas!
    Definitely inspired me to try this style on my shop

  • @boorhadly
    @boorhadly 7 місяців тому +1

    dud that came out amazing!

  • @WymansWorkshop
    @WymansWorkshop 7 місяців тому +1

    Really nice job on your hangar/shop! Loved this video

  • @CORSOTWO
    @CORSOTWO 7 місяців тому +1

    Extraordinario Trabajo, no hay nada mejor que cuando tu mente y tus manos hacen el trabajo, muy bien explicado el paso a paso, la solución a cada problema lejos lo mejor, desde Chile un abrazo para ti y tu hermosa familia, me encanta

  • @EnGammalAmazon
    @EnGammalAmazon 4 місяці тому

    Absolutely wonderful video. I will be building at least two of these. I will send you photos of how I am building my sawmill building. I think you will appreciate it all. Very well done!!

  • @MrJockehenriksson
    @MrJockehenriksson 7 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for a great video Jonas! I'm about a month or two away from building my own hangar door and I was really hoping you would have your door ready before that because I knew you would have a smart but still economic solution 😅. Love the design and smart solutions so I will for sure copy this in my build 😁

  • @EverydayWorkshop
    @EverydayWorkshop 7 місяців тому +1

    Really great video Jonas, very well explained with some great common sense engineering. Unfortunately I’m not in need of a hanger door, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. Looks fantastic. 👍🙂

  • @theperl9663
    @theperl9663 7 місяців тому +1

    Nice job, new dad ! (Well pretty new).

  • @stephanlessard3902
    @stephanlessard3902 7 місяців тому

    Great video Thank you!

  • @jakematijczyk6905
    @jakematijczyk6905 7 місяців тому

    Sweet door especially for the price and yes the grooming was bad was last night and runs in the morning were dam fun also

  • @shaung638
    @shaung638 6 місяців тому

    Higher power doors builds a similar operating single piece door. There is some information on how they seal their door in their installation manual that might be useful for someone building a similar door. The higher power door is hydraulic powered but one major benefit is that is self supporting with no load on the building.

  • @Ronbc000
    @Ronbc000 7 місяців тому

    Bravo, mate 👍

  • @johnbecker1996
    @johnbecker1996 7 місяців тому +1

    Great design.

  • @shaddforester9510
    @shaddforester9510 7 місяців тому +1

    That’s slick dude!

  • @heathbirley1774
    @heathbirley1774 7 місяців тому +1

    In the next video, I wana see you hit the buzzer from the “cockpit” of the AirBike, and taxi straight in!

  • @adambergendorff2702
    @adambergendorff2702 7 місяців тому +1

    Awesome build, might do something like this for an RV garage because even those rollup draws are too expensive, and I too enjoy building things.

  • @rsgpartsdivision
    @rsgpartsdivision 7 місяців тому +1

    Nice work. Nice Vid. Thank you!

  • @mattyb7607
    @mattyb7607 7 місяців тому

    Awesome.

  • @justinlogue31
    @justinlogue31 7 місяців тому +1

    Very Nice!

  • @alanswanson1952
    @alanswanson1952 7 місяців тому

    Great job it is basically a modified old one piece garage. I had a garage built on my property from the late 40's that I tore down when I built my house.

  • @johnfoster1201
    @johnfoster1201 7 місяців тому +1

    This is awesome!

  • @zinny54
    @zinny54 7 місяців тому +1

    Nice!

  • @otc-x1-b9
    @otc-x1-b9 7 місяців тому +1

    Super cool Jonas.
    Looks great.

  • @bryonolmsted1002
    @bryonolmsted1002 7 місяців тому +1

    Oh man, I like multiple cables throughout the door so you dont have to have the strongback truss running the width of the door. Makes things so much lighter and stronger! Thanks for the tips!

    • @JonasMarcinko
      @JonasMarcinko  7 місяців тому

      yes sir!

    • @bryonolmsted1002
      @bryonolmsted1002 7 місяців тому

      I always cringe a little when we open the bifold because it feels like it is trying to rip the end wall off the building. I always hope I have the luck of Buster Keaton if it decides to let loose, haha!

  • @saltydecimator
    @saltydecimator 7 місяців тому +1

    Bob ladds “ultimate door “?!

  • @stanleyroberts4381
    @stanleyroberts4381 7 місяців тому +1

    Great job 👍

  • @speedracer138
    @speedracer138 7 місяців тому

    Awesome Job Jonas!! My 60x80x20 hangar skin just got completed; again. Had to get al new panels because 1st contractor screwed it up. Should have done it myself like you did. I'm getting ready to build my own 48' x 14' door but a different type of open/ close idea. I'll post the video when I'm done.

    • @JonasMarcinko
      @JonasMarcinko  7 місяців тому +1

      Thanks!
      looking forward to seeing it!

  • @kevinhutter9992
    @kevinhutter9992 5 місяців тому

    I have really enjoyed watching your hangar build from the beginning dirt work all the way through. The choices you made definitely reflect your prior experience with hangars! Awesome. I would be curious to hear about how the GeoThermal is working out now that you have a door.

  • @ThePudgie123
    @ThePudgie123 7 місяців тому

    Great ideas! Thanks.

  • @wreckum56
    @wreckum56 7 місяців тому +2

    We have one similar to that I think is 60 feet wide and works perfect but no cables and the good thing about it because I’m in Montana is the vertical movement to begin with so if there is a big bank of snow in front it doesn’t interfere with it opening like a hydro swing, and that is way cheaper then a bifold.

    • @JonasMarcinko
      @JonasMarcinko  7 місяців тому

      good to hear!

    • @bryonolmsted1002
      @bryonolmsted1002 7 місяців тому

      What do you use to lift the door instead of cables?

    • @portnuefflyer
      @portnuefflyer 7 місяців тому +1

      I don't like stressing my Hydro Swing by making it push snow, it depends on how much there is, I get 5' high drifts overnight so I blow them clear with the tractor first, which works but is a pain with the door in the way! I'd prefer being able to fully open it first THAN use the tractor.

  • @ronblack7870
    @ronblack7870 7 місяців тому

    one thing about counterweights is to not have them free hanging without a safety tube around them. if the cable breaks that thing is gonna come down fast . you can just build a tube around it with plywood and lumber. or use a round pipe of some kind. spiral wound round metal ducting is a good choice if you can have it round. that you can get at industrial hvac supply places not the big box stores. it comes in sizes from like 3 inch to 24 and up to 60 diameter .

  • @aussieblue7132
    @aussieblue7132 7 місяців тому +1

    Nice 👍

  • @marcericdavis
    @marcericdavis 7 місяців тому +1

    Nice design.

  • @bryanfisher8216
    @bryanfisher8216 7 місяців тому

    I have built doors similar to this for years. I use electric over hydraulic for power. I use a 4 foot ram.

  • @jameschupp2230
    @jameschupp2230 7 місяців тому +1

    Awesome! Copious amount of Work!

  • @ronblack7870
    @ronblack7870 7 місяців тому

    another possible chice instead of counterweights is garage door springs but you would need multiple springs and likely extra pulleys for more multiplication to get more stroke if your stroke is long.

  • @Kenny-rn2xc
    @Kenny-rn2xc 7 місяців тому +3

    Hi Jonas. It has been a long time since I have seen you. I built the double hanger in Blackfoot that you showed at the first of the video with the Aerocoupe high on the wall. I also built the door that you showed. You got some good ideas from copying what i did years ago. I built the 40x11 door you showed with the cables on the outside. The door on the other end of the building was a 50x11. Same idea, just bigger. The building has a partition wall in the center to make two separate hangers. I like the modification you came up with. I used winches and counter weights on both doors. I learned a lot building the doors. No one there had anything like it to copy. I had to figure it out on my own. I spent less than a thousand on my door, but that was several years ago. One thing, I had to modify the catches at the top because if the wind was blowing when closing the door would flex enough to miss the catches. I had to make the latches with a guide to make sure it guided into the latch. Glad to see that you are still flying. Enjoy you new hanger.

    • @JonasMarcinko
      @JonasMarcinko  7 місяців тому +1

      Thanks Kenny! I remember visiting with you a long time ago at the airport.
      hope all is well.

    • @Kenny-rn2xc
      @Kenny-rn2xc 7 місяців тому +2

      I am doing fine. Just getting old. When I built the doors there was no youtube to document how it is done. You did a great job.@@JonasMarcinko

  • @traviskruse2153
    @traviskruse2153 7 місяців тому

    I would use a torsion spring and tube setup like a normal garage door except use 4 cable drums and an on shaft opener

  • @Mr.ExperimentCreator
    @Mr.ExperimentCreator 7 місяців тому +1

    Nice 👍👍👍

  • @user-ie6uw7nc9b
    @user-ie6uw7nc9b 7 місяців тому +1

    Forget about all your flying videos (sorry), this is your best video to date !!!!! What a great job you have done here.

  • @ToxicSocietyTroll
    @ToxicSocietyTroll 2 місяці тому

    I would recommended a bi folding with straps

  • @getlostinit3D
    @getlostinit3D 5 місяців тому

    I can see why you married her 13:46 having her hyped on your efforts priceless. I tell women they can have us build them the world with proper motivation encouragement and love.

  • @NicHolmes
    @NicHolmes 7 місяців тому +1

    Hey Jonas, thats some awesome work there man! Love the door idea.
    Got me thinking though...
    I believe there is an even simpler way to integrate the garage door motor into the system and also reduce the complexity of the cabling system.
    Why not run a single cable per side of the door? so split the door down the center with an imaginary line, run cable through each of the lift braces out into a mech-advantage 2:1 system on the one side. repeat this for the opposite side. so you have 2 equal counter weights on each side of the door.
    Now you take a standard garage door opener like you have, mount it on the rafter, between the header of the door and rafter back internally, and connect the guide to the top edge of the door, and since you are only having to lift and retract half the door length at this point, you wont need to lengthen the door opener track/chain etc.
    This also gives you slight advantage of the motor "locking" the middle of the door when its closed.

    • @JonasMarcinko
      @JonasMarcinko  7 місяців тому

      I like the idea! I believe it would work. The door would open twice as fast also which could be a good thing, but it is nice having the door open not too fast.

    • @NicHolmes
      @NicHolmes 7 місяців тому

      @@JonasMarcinko while that makes sense, what you need to consider is that speed gains through mechanical advantage equate to force losses and vice versa. So slowing the door down to half speed by acting on the counter weight through the 2:1 system means that the overload limit (Crush detect) force will double on the door itself.
      For myself with a toddler who likes doing crazy stuff, having a lower crush limit on a faster door is preferential to a slower door speed.

  • @Turbo_Tastic
    @Turbo_Tastic 6 місяців тому +2

    sucks though that LED light is actually very harmful to us compared to incandescent ; and it is amazing that GE actually conspired with other manufacturers to make sure incandescent bulbs burn out, when they actually could last forever. Skylights would be an option too, but not at night

    • @JonasMarcinko
      @JonasMarcinko  6 місяців тому +1

      You would think there would be a way to diminish the negative effects from LEDs. but I totally agree.

    • @Turbo_Tastic
      @Turbo_Tastic 6 місяців тому

      @@JonasMarcinko maybe a blue light filter? if anyone could figure it out it would be you! your videos are an inspiration to me to build more things. the biggest problem I have is I don't want to get slave "permits" to build thihngs; hate having to go tot he organized crime known as "government" to ask if I can do something on my own land. We need to get a few states to secede from the Federal government; legally speaking, states "voluntarily" joined the Federal government so they should be able to just as easily leave. But it is all just a scam so nobody is getiting out easily.