The Philips DP70 Projector At Home
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- This is the second in the series in our "Home Cinema Newsreel" and this time we have a demonstration of a Philips DP70 Projector in a Living Room Cinema complete on Wheels!.
After seeing the setting up process we see 35mm running and then converstion to 70mm and then 70mm DTS.
Nice to see this again on UA-cam, i have work with this TODD-AO projector(s) from 1976 to 1988, it was the best time ever!!
Greetings, a film projectionist from Holland.
I really enjoyed this as when I was a high school student and also worked in a movie theater as an usher I spent all the time I could in the projection booth learning from a friendly projectionist. Well in the summer of 1970 I acquired an ancient Simplex Super 35mm projector equipped with a RCA optical sound reproducing head and drive motor. I had to do extensive work on the long out of service projector. I had to build my own sound pre-amp and a good exciter lamp dc supply as the original RCA exciter lamp supply was AC and did contribute a small amount of hum een with those incredibly hot filament 5 amp exciter lamps.I built single projector into an enclosed projection room in the basement of our family home. I found sources of old theater prints of films which were extremely cheap in the day because few collectors / hobbyists would dare to venture into the world of 35mm. I used to buy old features from a guy in PA who must have had a connection with either the film exchanges or the silver reclamation operations. The shipping of the heavy 35mm film prints usually outweighed the purchase price. In those days I found that Greyhound package service was the cheapest way to ship those heavy 35mm features. My audiences learned to suffer the inconvenience of reel changes which for my set up with 2000 foot projector magazines occurred every 20 minutes or less. It was so much fun to operate my little family theater. A few years later I acquired an old Golde booth power re-winder that saved my wrists from the Neumade hand rewinds and always gave me a nice tight library rewind for good print storage.
This kind of dedication to man hours for your hobby is commendable! I often wonder if guys like you can afford both the time & money & hold down a regular job to pay for it or are just independently wealthy. Same with the thousands of "Trekkie Convention" attendees--time away from a paying job & the extra money required for travel, hotels, & dining?
Originally, the old RCA valve amplifier rack would have supplied DC to the exciter lamps.
I used DP70 's projection at the ABC Croydon Surrey great equipment and never let us down .
Great viideo, I myself have worked with this projector for 19 years with 35 and 70 mm feature films. And a nice solution like your dts header has placed.
@@fp20wesmovie87 Thanks, I got that concept mounting the DTS heads in the DP70 when I visited the former Film Museum Cinema in Amsterdam many years ago and never a sync issues with it installed there.
I had 7 35mm Projectors.Kaylee, Westrex, RCA 35 mm. Used the original Carbon Boxes as well as the Valve amps. Man those Photocells were hard to come by. My dad worked as a projectionist and collected all these things over the years. A few people would understand the joy of putting something together thats over 50 years old and watch the first reel. Thanks alot for the vid it meant a lot to me ;-)
I worked on the Philips dp70 at Elstree Studios back in the early 1970s. They were already set up for dual projection of 35/70. We also had "rock and roll" (forward and reverse operation) system via a selsyn lock on the motor, and mainly used them in sync with the mag sound tracks in the dubbing department. Unusual to see these mechs in someone's sitting room though.
Hi Ben, Just re-watched your wonderful video on the Philips DP 70. This is a piece of cinema History, which thankfully you have preserved and also produced a video for all to see. I had 10 years working with DP 70's, they are a lovely machine, or as we would say a lovely "Mech" Brilliant Video Ben. Take Care.
I remember working on the DP 70 projectors at The Queens Cinerama in Newcastle on Tyne many years ago. They were installed after the three projector Cinerama system. Ive still got a small portion of film stock of How The West Was Won, left hand projector. That 70mm Cinerama lens was one big heavy lump, and so was the full reel of 70 to get into the top spool box.
An incredible treasure whose time has sadly passed. I"ve attended many 70mm showings through the years. I made it a point to see the 70mm version when they used to show in the 1960's and 1970's. By the 90's, they began to die out until digital replaced them. As we move into 4 and now 8K cinema, I don't mourn their loss. They were the cream of their day, and I will treasure the memories I have of movie palaces and those grand epic films.
These projectors haven't 'died out'. Just got back from seeing 'Carol', from a brand new 35mm print. The colours were gorgeous. I also saw Star Wars: The Force Awakens and The Hateful Eight in 70mm IMAX in December. Their digital equivilents, including 4 and 8k still come absolutley nowhere near close to equalling them. They are years away from that. All the stuff about digital superiority is propaganda, nothing more. These projectors are still better and they never break down, unlike the digital rubbish which will need to be completely replaced within 10 years!!
+Marla Wallis Marla you're talking about 2 movies out of three or four hundred that are made every year. and having been an editor, it's very difficult to get proper coverage of a scene with film. whereas with digital you can have multiple angles at a much lower cost and faster. I will grant a certain Romanticism about film. however I would question its superiority.
Absolutely wonderful. Thank you for your work and thank you from Oslo.
film is NOT dead...thanks to guys like you (and me)
I have a vic 5 and a lamphouse just like yours...except i converted mine to halogen as I wont spend $500 on a bulb...
Ben, I salute you to having a Philips DP 70 projector in your own house ! Wow ! There are two of those in Montreal at the Imperial Theatre. They are both totally restored in their original Todd-AO condition ! They even have the original 24/30 FPS motors on them with both six track magnetic and DTS sound capability.
OUTSTANDING... SIMPLY "OUTSTANDING"!!
YOU ARE TRULY A MOVIE MAN!
Wonderful man -wonderful hoby .
That is badass, I hope I can one day set up something like this.
@joshjens
It works fine thanks, although sometimes it fails to Boot up correctly.
Thanks for your comments nad glad your enjoyed the Video.
Very, very impressiv! Used to be an enthusiastic filmmaker by myself. Good reportage, good cut. You know how to make movies. 70mm ist the dream.
Greatings from Vienna
Beautiful DP70 the best in the industry! I know you all must have noticed how even theaters now are no longer in good style; all they have now days is a white wall "screen" when I was growing up; it was a show even before the majestic curtains opened for the great premieres; miss those kind of theaters. Great video westrex!!
I had to learn how run one when I worked as a relief projectionist, all thumbs at first but got the hang of it.
Thanks for your kind comments, the setup was built up over a few years and the seating I have is about 6 and the Room is about 8ft x 14ft.
Is it just me but who else likes the sound the film makes when handled?
Hi Ben, so nice to see you got DP-70 in your house, first time I saw this projector in ABC cinema, they changed to Kinoton don't what happened to DP-70, these projectors are known as Rolls Royce of cinema....glad you preserved one a fully operational DP-70
wow, respect to feed this Unit including sound!
Great demo on that unit the model is similar to a Ajax DP80 oilfield engine
Love the music!
I worked on the DP70 at the Gaumont in Manchester showed Oliver the musical
Your projector looks very similar to the Norelco AA2 35/70 mm machines I ran (back when I was an active projectionist). You have quite a set-up for a home theatre!
My dad ran century 35/70mm projectors back when you had 2 projectors and did manual change overs between reels no turntables .
The multi-national Dutch company Philips was for years represented in the US by Northern Electric Corporation (NORELCO) and everything philips made, from shavers to film projectors was rebranded Norelco in the US.
As to why American exhibitors would have to import Dutch projectors to present American-Developed 70mm films, that's a longer story, but no less interesting.
Ahh, the Grosvenor aren't quite done with 35mm projection quite yet. They showed Local Hero and Wayne's World in the same weekend just this month. I was able to attend the latter and it was great!
Hello Ben, I remember briefly speaking to you in the Ealing town hall when you demonstrated your set-up at a British Film Collectors Convention a few years ago.
So that is an actual 70mm projector you have at home?!!! Wow
Dual format projector, didn’t know that was possible, thanks
All commercial 70mm projectors were dual-format 35/70.
Thanks for the video. Nicely shot and presented. I have a few related to projection on my channel but you have to search for them amongst the other rubbish!!
In France we have about 1000 active movie collectors (9,5 to 35mm) include may Be 12 equipped in 70mm projectors (especially The DP70)
i used 2 of those at the metro cinema ashton for 18 years they are now at the rex berkhamstead
I remember operating the 16mm projectors in jr high school singer or simplex the film loaded in the front mend it thru a sinc roller the lens and a capstan into the sound module "light into photo electric eye" into anther sinc and a roller into the take up reel.
In the 1980's I tried to hire a 35-millimetre film for a private screening - the licensing and legal issues were complicated and costly beyond imagining. 35mm film distribution was not set up in a way that made it possible to access by Ordinary People
Wow! Do these have 6 track heads for pre-dolby audio?
Superb setup Ben. Id love to come and check this out for myself sometime. :)
Plus also, I have seen 35mm Christies on sale for about $6000 dollars along with the platter system and DTS.
I was fortunate to see "My Fair Lady","Cleopatra","Karthum" and some other movies of 70 MM Multi track (6 I believe) in 1970s at Saphire an Unique 70MM Theater.Since the projectionist was a friend of my brother , I could go to the room and saw the projector(s!)
We miss them nowand really sorry
Subramanian
Chennai
India
Yes and I'm showing some tonight in fact!!
Amazing video. I think I saw some shots of you at the BFCC with a Westar. How about doing a similar film for that projector as well? That DP70 is really nice.
I certainly do mourn the loss of a medium where every frame (24 or indeed 30 fps) has a random grain structure.
DCP is based on a fixed array of pixels and can never replicate photographic emulsion.
There is no substitute for film or ever will be.
My contribution (so far) to keeping it alive is the Cinemeccanica V5 in the hallway of my small 'semi' and a collection of spares (I'd rather have a DP70 or indeed a DP75).
Super!!
Christ on a stick that's a beast! I'm converting a Vic IV to a slightly more portable form at the moment, to have the space for a thing like that though! Bet those 70mm prints cost a fair bit too!
Now that most UK cinemas have gone digital there's a lot of 35mm projection equipment going for peanuts. I work in a small 2-screen cinema in Glasgow and we still have some 35mm projectors but new digital installation is now happening. They'll hardly ever get used again if at all.
Pena que esse projetor acabou. Ele é bonito demais.
great video thx!
Totally fantastic - sadly I only have room for a digital rig these days - also 'Phillips fed', but not quite the same!
I repaired one of the D.P. 75s on the QE2, all the operators were malasian,thread-up and go, in the shit when things go wrong.
Amazing
O_o wait. You have that projector at your house with the Dolby processors? Where'd you get them? How much did the kit cost? What 35/70mm films do you have? How much does the system weigh? Does your significant other approve? I think that's so cool that you have that at your own house!
Very fascinating! But I've got a question: What device did you put the projector on so that you can move it around? Something like a furniture dolly? I'm actually planning to set up an Ernemann VIIB in my rooms, and there are furniture dollies that nominally hold 500 kilograms (the Ernemann is about 200 kilograms), but I'm unsure if this would be the best choice.
That's still stored in the Garage. not been used for some years now.
i love the music who made it can some one tel me?
Go for it Ben! What next? IMAX? :-)
Okay very good
@biografmand
Hi,
Thanks for your kind comments, we try to keep the DP70 Flag flying over here in the UK as well
I think you're off by a bit. I see 16mm projectors going for $50 on craigslist, and I got a 42" LCD and a PS3 for $550 total. I'm sure it would have been a bit more 9 months ago when you posted this, but not THAT much.
I will stick with my 16mm kalart victor projectors!
That is not a smart comment because I got my 2592 projector for only $200. Plus some Eiki cost about circa $200 to $500 from what I have seen so far. It is really the film you really have to worry about the prices.
its nice but when u watch the movie it flickers alittle
3:18 wait a darn tootin minute aren't those Beringer eqs?
They sure are!
Interesting mix of pro and consumer gear here, I agree.
Obviously all the plug-in setup and extension cords would never have been used in a real theater, where everything would be hard wired to circuit breakers on the wall, and in real life it would be rare indeed to see a DP-70 with full CP-200 but a trifle little ORC 1600 xenon lamp!
Envy, envy just plain envy. How did you manage to get one of these?
Spent a few years with ABC installing these for their Todd-AO theaters.
Best optical sound producers I ever knew of for 35mm.
The sound head was one of the best, it was taken from the FP7 35'mm machine rarely seen in the UK.
The sound head was not as good and difficult to adjust when the duel bilateral tracks on the film had to be scanned separately for Dolby SVA
Did you work for Brockliss when you were installing the DP70's .?
@@wilsjane not sure how I missed this or why it has suddenly shown up in Gmail.
I was with ABC as young ex pojectionist working at HO doing these instalations together with the JF Brockliss engineers as Brockliss supplied all our Philips projectors (DP70, FP20 and FP20's).
Any idea where I cam find a pair od their 35mm periscope mirror cinemascope units?
@@jeremywilcox Now you are taking me back. I worked for ABC between 1963 and 1970 in north London. Arthur Kitson was our regional engineer and if I remember correctly, I met a guy called 'Mole' at Golden Square.
As an engineering student, I was soon known as "the professor" and I was frequently called on to sort out those famous shutter long gears on the Ross GC1 and 3 machines. My famous moment was the day that the arclamp ballast resistors burnt out at one of the theaters, threatening to close it for the day. You can imagine the reaction when I ran one side of the DC from the mercury rectifiers in the basement from to the roof, Using the metal fire escape to carry one side of the current. The ballast was a metal dustbin, sitting on the fire escape, full of water and a strip of wood with a carbon in it feeding the lamps. I had to add salt to the water to regulate the current. The whole thing was like something out of a Laurel and Hardy show, since with only one supply, striking the lamp on the changeover put the other one out. Then changing the carbons on the other lamp, while it was live, With the feed motor still running, we had to keep back feeding it to prevent it from striking. Perhaps the highlight was when "Kit" as we called him turned up and I kept having to remind him not to step onto the fire escape every time he wanted a cigarette. I always remember him saying. "I don't know whether to give you a medal, or fire you". He did neither.
I assume that the lens that you asked about was the Delerama. Their is a funny story here too. The first ones were a surface coated mirror, but it was almost impossible to clean without removing the silver. To solve the problem, they introduced a polished aluminum mirror which could be washed with Tide and needless to say was cheaper. The problem arose when a theater with the class coated mirror tried it and it completely removed the silver. They were soon replaced with the Variomorph lens, except at a few theaters that were using the early Ross machines with a front shutter. (The bar to hold the variomorph would have to have gone through the shutter)
I have not seen one of those Delerama lens for donkeys years. I will try to find out whether any of them still exist and let you know..
@@wilsjane They say it's a small world and fromwhat you say I guess you may have taken over my old job with Nick Mole and Fred Cable.
I started at the State, Barkingside in1960 before moving on to Ilford. At the State they called me 'Doc' due to my white coat. I was looking for the 'lens' to put on to my 16mm kit.
Ended up with a majic job going round the UK and Eire instally all sorts of kit. Was at some enbeliviable good gigs and had may magic moments.
My downfall was the sound system at the new ABC Blackpool were it just would not do it's jo. Had 'experts' from all over ABC and beyond but they all left me to get on with it with 'their' must work answer. Non of them did, because, in hindsight, they could not due to a fundermental design problem. By then my 'work around' to get the show on the road (a little word with Cliff on the use of the radio mic to make it work) really upset a guy called Fielding (a consultant) and the next thin I knew was I was out - just like that.
I guess I do not need to say howupset I was (and stiil) over losing the job I loved and the Engineer pass that went with it.
I trust you survived a little better.
On a good note it was majic to set up real cinema experiance at the SWETC when I was there - lens scope as well.
Oh, they did correct Blackpool, I found out.
How much film can be projected before you need an interruption?
That depends entirely on the film-handling system. A film platter can run up to about 3h of 70mm.
A reel-to-reel system runs reels from s few minutesn to about twenty minutes each, but then a skilled projectionist changes to the next reel, and there is never an interruption pervceived.
This might be a silly question, but can these projectors bet setup with a film takeup platter?
Yes, many Cinemas ran that way, but need to remove the Spool Boxes and add Roller Arm Brackets for the film path.
Okay. I see. Thank you for the reply.
Nice machine, but the JJ's are SO much easier to change from 35mm to 70mm...literally a gate swap and intermittent show swap...flip the rollers over and you're done. JJ wins for me.
How on earth does one just own a 70mm projector!?
Ben.... why three positions on the eccentric lens collar?. The DP75 has a pull/push handle.. only two positions!
Hey, why was the film all red?
Forgive me - Near the end you showed a CD-ROM in a special case. Was that a proprietary format for theatre soundtracks back in the day? I've never seen one before :)
+Henry Jones Jnr. That was the 5.1 Audio sound track for DTS, the DTS Timecode was on the print 35mm or 70mm and was sync to the CD Rom player and later on a Hard drive for the Audio storage.
Yeah, DTS system worked differently compared to Dolby system. Dolby had the digital audio bitcode on the side of the film, but DTS needed an seperate CD for the audio
who make the background music good sound
Hey can anybody tell me if kodak still makes 65mm/70mm film with the magnetic stripe 6 track? Or is that obsolete?
My dream I want to operate
Again
What's that movie called at the ending?
@Rlotpir1972 You honestly think a 35/70mm projector costs $200K? You're orders of magnitude off, especially with the fact that theaters are going digital all the time.
Hi Ben, do you still have your DP70? I recently saw an 70mm DP70 Screening with poor black levels. I looked at the open DP70 and saw that the gap between Shutter/Reel and the beginning of the Lens was qutie large (about 12cm), due to the used lens and distantance to the screen. Can you confirm that in a setup with a much shorter gap results in better black levels? (black optimised room of course) Thanks!
Old film stock decays and often turns this magenta colour.
How does he get this stuff?
We lost good restaurants for stupid fast food! Film is the best!
wherefrom you get the films?
Why is the 70mm film all red?
Over time the emulsions on the print degrade, and the least susceptible to this is the red emulsion. Quick answer - age.
vendo el mismo proyector en buen estado.
What film at 8:58
Buddy, you must be a millionaire owning all that equipment. I'm sure a 16mm projector (Bell and Howell, Singer, Eiki, Kodak) would cost around 600-800 american dollars. A 35/70mm projector with DTS sound, I'd say around 200-300 thousand american dollars. I'd just settle with a PS3 and 40" LCD TV. They cost around 1500 american dollars.
Well at least it's small.
orcon lamphouse just plug it in an go hehehe
Is it still in that rabbit hutch Ben? lol Still have that Russian 70mm epic? John
Yep, and that certain Film was screened twice in London earlier this year.
westrx5000 RABBIT
Envious would not be the right word lucky boy !
They used arcs no lamps.
Not true.
When the DP-70 was introduced there were no Xenon lamps in theaters, but it would not be very long before these would overtake the carbon arcs, and by the mid 1980's pretty much every DP-70 running would have a xenon lamp behind it.
Please invite me to your home for a movie
Wheres ya 5000 gone?
Reel is better we could watch frames
Lol, that tiny little lamphouse looks so out of place. Obviously it's all that's needed.
It would in a Cinema, but I only have a 8ft throw in the living room.
Red tape monopoly
Another great video destroyed by horrible music -
Fucking awful music.