AMD Athlon 200GE Review & 3.9GHz Overclocking | Budget Gaming CPU
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- We overclocked the AMD Athlon 200GE to 3.9GHz on the MSI B350 Tomahawk, then reviewed the CPU when in use with a discrete GPU.
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The AMD Athlon 200GE CPU is an "APU," technically, in that it has an integrated, ultra low-end graphics solution on-die. Taking up die space means a weaker CPU component, but some additional versatility as a standalone part. This makes it a weaker R3 2200G, but similar in basic concept. What we wanted to know was if the AMD Athlon 200GE could replace the old G3258 or G4560 in market position: A cheap CPU for for pairing with a cheap dGPU, creating a combo below the R5 2400G in price, but above it in performance. The R3 2200G earned our Best Budget Gaming award a few weeks ago, and it still holds that, but a cheap CPU and dGPU combo would outperform the 2200G, in theory, it's just that cheap CPUs haven't really been good lately. The Pentium line is too expensive with the 14nm shortage, leaving us with the relatively new 200GE for review. In the process of working on the review, we learned that the 200GE overclocks with MSI boards and AGESA 1.0.0.6, something we explored in this benchmark.
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Athlon 200GE + 2080ti, best combo!
ok, so at 144min blender run, I think that 200GE is actually slower than the FX8370, lol.
Great vid Steve and crew. B)
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Just thought of something, can you do an video on external Gpu over thunderbolt 3, with RTX 2080ti. Wanna know the limit of thunderbolt 3 , when it starts to bottleneck , thanks.
AMD makes locked CPUs?
Granted this will only cover those near a Micro Center, where the Athlon 200GE is around $55 retail, Micro Center sells the 2200G for $79.00. Just Food for thought.
That lens effect to super-zoom-in on the CPU at the beginning was ultra-cool
Made me think about those old "How it's made" intros.
@@MinecrafterPiano This exactly....
2016 all over this chip... rip?
yea totally agree, that fingerprint tho.....
@@InFlamesOfSorrow
First thing I noticed.
Can I just say how much I love that your titles are actually descriptive of the content?
Like L1nu$ ?
@@CommandoTM yup exactly, their click bait titles are so annoying
*cof cof* linus *cof cof*
I think Linus sorta has to with that many employees
What do you mean? Dont you love it when add takes up all the top of he description and the are no source and if there is, its in a forum post (ahem Linus)
I saw "3.9GHz" in the title and actually started choking on my pizza.
But at what frequency were you choking on that pizza? I bet you 7nm that is wasn't 3.9GHz.
@@drrice1123 lmao 🤣
Looks like you aren't stable on 3.9ghz oc. Lets try 3.8 ghz.
Dammit! Now I want pizza.
You know pizza becomes unhealthy when it's trying to kill you 😂...I love 🍕
Is that the Walmart pc power supply in pieces there??
If it is, it's rightfully so. Buy cheap get cheap, and Great Wall's OEMs are cheap cheap cheap!
Just send it back and dump it outside like in Robocop.
I'm glad its not just me that looks for easter eggs for future videos
I didn't notice that, the TITAN RTX on the shelf behind him distracted me.
It's a titan V box. :)
fun fact: depending on where you look the X4 950 says its locked but you can overclock it on a X370 prime (I got mine to 4.4ghz, its got bulldozer cores but still seems to be the same sort of layout so its limited by infinity fabric)
4.4 is pretty damn good!
Why did you pair a x370 board with that? Asking because curious of a potential feature set I’m unaware of. If it works for you that’s all that matters.
@@Mockedarchie Probably has a better CPU, he was just testing his motherboard or something.
@@Mockedarchie got my board stupid cheap and wanted to verify if I got scammed or not
now I am running a Ryzen 5 2400G so very worth.
Toms Tech
It's not an FX-4300.. The FX-4300 is Vishera which is based on the piledriver architecture and 32nm process while the Athlon x4 950 is Bristol ridge which is based on the excavator architecture and 28nm process.
Getting use out of that new lens at the start. lol
It's a great magnifying glass for our MOSFET photos! More of those coming up soon in a Buildzoid piece.
These CPU's remind me of when I first started building PC's while being abjectly poor. You would start with only the Mobo, cpu and an old (and I mean OLD) video card and over the year get new parts when there was money available.
We've become so used to having so much money and computer prices so low that we forget what it was like.
AMD employees: "We got the Athlon 200GE CPU done. Now all we got to do is lock it so it won't overclock".
1 week later. AMD employees: "Uh, guys, did you see the reviews"? "So who forgot to lock the processor"?
Can we get a review on Steve's hair routine? :)
It's exellent
3.9Ghz? That's insane for a Ryzen chip with a permanent base/boost clock of 3.2Ghz. Ill stick with my 2200G though. :D
Should still make a good HTPC chip right?
@@aidanmclean8574 Especially if it can do HDR like the 2200G/2400G vs the Pentiums/Celerons which cannot
I should be able to. Same graphics arch just scaled down even more vs Vega 8 or Vega 11
AMD has the sub $150 range under lock it seems even more with this chip, but yeah the 2200G is a great one.
It's athlon
Steve, just wanted to thank you for still including older processors like the 2600k and 4790k in your comparison graphs.
I enjoy gaming at a smooth, high refresh rate but these graphs show there hasn't been munch of an improvement in the stuttering one might experience, would you happen to know why this is?
Simple. Intel has had no innovations or breakthroughs in about a decade. Intel's performance started to stagnate after the 2nd gen "i" processors. Every single generation after the 2nd gen only gained between 1-3% IPC and clock speed over the previous generation. For example, despite being three generations apart, the 7700K only performs about 9% better than the 4790K. TL;DR, if stuttering was present with the 4790K, it will still be present with the 7700K. There is barely a performance difference.
It's sad, because they just keep hiking the prices every generation despite the fact that literally none if it is new and performs only very slightly better than the previous generations. That's just how Intel operates.
Game Spirit This is why I haven't upgraded from 4790k. I had an FX 6300 and upgrading to i7 was massive but after that nothing has impressed me. Not going to spend another 300-400 dollars for 10-15 fps. Money is better spent on a better GPU.
I have to say that I think, for general info's sake, an i5 4690k should be on the chart. There's an awful lot of folk out there on 4690k/GTX970 setups (of course I'm one) so whenever graphing on whatever topic, I think 4690k comparisons will always be useful.
That OCed 2600k is killing it still. I'm one gen behind that with an 860, and besides AVX, it's still holding up.
Sandy Bridge 4 lyf
yeah, 2600k is still relevant and an excellent budget choice
I'm still running a 2600k, still strong, but I'm probably gonna upgrade next year.. it's been a good 7 years so far :)
Gerbert D Aurillac just get a 2600k or 3770k. Massive upgrade for cheap
I wonder how my 6600k would compare to it. Sometimes the Sandy i7 is awfully close to not hitting 60fps average at stock. Kudos to Steve and folks for the great 4.7 GHz OC, that's really impressive for even Sandy.
Damn that zoom looks cool and thank you for the quality vids gaming jesus
It's good to see that you are not partaking in the Titan shenanigans - good job Steve
5cottz Dezine 🤞
@@basshead. being paid by NVIDIA to "leak" a GPU and not expliciting it in the description is prohibited by UA-cam rules.
Just look at the box right under his right white box thats the leak
@@financialcrisis3538 That's a Titan V box.
DumbSloth87 oh lol arry nvr seen a titan box
At 11:52 you show AC: Origins 1440p instead of Far Cry 5 1440p. I can't be sure if you meant to or not, actually.
Maybe good for an HTPC or a retro gaming machine
For those usages, you might want to consider ARM SBCs because all the extra power of Athlon 200 in term of CPU and GPU are quite irrelevant in that case. But if you wish to run dolphin emulator, you might want another beast.
+Steve Martino I wonder if it's powerful enough for 4k.
Anona Mouse yeah it’ll be fine for 4K playback. Plus it has a decent GPU for hardware decoding
Anona Mouse a small ARM is enough for 4K. An Allwinner H3 have sufficient video processing unit. It's a separate function from 3D GPU.
basshead, we talk about video hardware decoding. The goal of an Home Theater Personnal Computer is to watch videos, not gaming. And for retrogaming the GPU is totally underused even with a 4K scalling.
SO MUCH BLUEEE! I'm digging the color choices/grading lately. You don't see a lot of blues these days.
That thumb print on your magnifying glass was driving me crazy, Steve.
What does your Senior AMD Market Analyst think about this chip?
If he looks like a shill to you, you are insane. Go watch LTT and see the difference.
@@kumbandit Are you sure you replied to the right comment?
@@bardacuda82 Since Steve is senior editor, were you implying he is related to AMD?
Don't drink and drive on a pogo stick. You'll end up accidentally jumping to conclusions.
@@kumbandit ... Senior AMD Market Analyst is Snowflake, Steve's cat. It's a joke. Calm your tits.
Perfect for me as I want a budget Linux machine. And do some video editing for vlogging in the future. So again perfect timing for a review thanks!
Impressive chip for the money. Nice to see how it performs when not locked down.
Ryzen 9 Phenom X super uber Edition next??? Yes?? Please AMD make it happen!
You say that like AMD looks through the comments chain of Gamers Nexus hourly lol.
You would have a much better chance suggesting that in the AMD forums.
@@MarcABrown-tt1fp I know lol, I'm just too excited, it's Athlon, feels like a throwback, back in '08-09 ish.
@@GamingMafia_id write this comment on amd's channel hehe
A little Athlon for office and "mom broke her pc"-tasks. Neat.
I'm now really REALLY happy that I bought the R3 1200 a month ago on sale!
I got it for $79.94 ! :D
Would have liked to have seen some commentary on the 200GE's TDP, a cool 35 watts. Handy for a media server? Possibly a pfsense router, or anything that's targeted for 24/7 up time, or small enclosure, or quiet operation...
I'm posting this from a 200GE setup. It's superb for quiet operation with Alpine AM4 Passive heatsink , a small case and sub 100W passive power supply. I have one 140mm case fan in the bottom of Jonsbo C2-case, which takes care of all the cooling the whole setup needs.
@@herpderp2736 Same except mine is in a Jonsbo U1 on a b350 with an m2 drive and a wraith prism cooler. makes a very tidy little HTPC with a cool RGB fan through the glass. I measured total system power while running Emby at just under 30w.
Chris Season I guess it depends on people's use case for their HTPCs, many are used as consoles/steam machines (like mine). Both of my HTPC/consoles have 2200g's (one as an APU and one paired with a 1060 3GB) and I even hit limits with the 2200g's cpu, though it would be interesting to see how a 200ge does over my undervolted 2200g (used as an APU in an InWin BQ656 mini ITX case with only CPU fan and some small 40mm fans I rigged in it for exhaust) since I still hit thermals in the 75-80c under full gaming load, though the Vega 8 still struggles even on a 720p bedroom tv at low settings, so Vega 3 will be lacking. Really excited to see what they do with APU's when they release the 7nm Ryzen/Athlon processors.
But ya, if the HTPC is purely for media consumption and no gaming or other computing, then something even lower powered is plenty and cheaper.
@@FireMrshlBill I installed my old GTX 460 to my 200GE setup (with more powerful PSU)(see above), to see if can I cool everything with just the bottom 140mm fan blowing directly to the GPU heatsink.
It works beautifully; GPU stabilizes at 64c, 200GE at 60c after 3 hours Total War: Shogun 2 play. The total power draw is about 180W.
To reiterate: there is only one fan keeping GTX 460, Athlon 200GE setup cool. (actually 2 if you count PSU fan).
The FX6300 are pricing from 55~60U$ (59U$ on Newegg), why you do not put him only for measure!?
Every updoot I get is from an AMD employee who appreciate's Gamers Nexus's appreciation of their product decisions.
This is like the old Duron cpus.
I cant se why they cant relese a 1 core 2 thread cpu or 2 core 2 thread and 3 core + 1 1 core 1 thread - Sempron, Phenom, Duron + xp comeback
@@jari2018 Why the hell would you want that?? 1 core two thread, or even 2 core 2 thread is simply not sufficient enough these days. Even loading web pages would be slow on only 2 threads. You want at least 2 core 4 threads for smooth daily performance. Websites have become really heavy, and full of scripts which are very CPU dependent
i just ordered my pc parts
Athlon 200GE (55 pound)
B450 Tomahawk (85 Pound)
CX500M (35 pound)
GTX 760 4gb (80 pound)
Cooler Master Lite 5 RGB (50 pound)
DDR4 (2 x 4gb) 50 pound
WD Green M.2 120gb SSD (12 pound)
So for 360 pound i have a decent, budget PC with a really good upgrade path. This is my first PC Build coming from an XBOX One S. I am very excited
Good to see the bearded lady doing hardware reviews now that the circus isnt "PC" anymore. Always pays to be multi-talented.
Thanks for the info, I have wondered about that cpu, don't want to end up with something that can't game on my strict budget.
I think the GPU is the most interesting part of the 200GE. You should do a bit on this specifically since it wasnt covered at all here. I've seen some impressive demos from other youtubers indicating it might perform better than expected in a lot of games. Could be an extreme budget option for more people than it may seem at first glance.
Is that the Great Wall-Mart Under Powdered power supply you've got torn down there?
2:09 nice fingerprint and filthy magnifier.
Waiting for this. For some reason the really low end parts are usually the most interesting to see.
Neat, but looking forward to seeing numbers using the IGPU, you haven't fully reviewed it without!
Great power point presentation 👌🏽
man youre a talent, youll never run out of topics. You can literally yank content out of your a.....Just pic a random case and analyze the crap out of it.
AMD said all Ryzen chips would be unlocked. I know the 200GE is zen tech but its not marketed as one. Hench why its not unlocked.
200GE isn't Ryzen , it is Athlon .
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 its Anthlon branded yes but it is Zen tech. Its a 2/4 Zen chip branded Anthlon.
Cool review, very interesting...
Would love if you could add the 7820x to your comparison tables. I know it's a bit old now, but always interested to see where it sits in comparison to other recent CPU's. On another note, interesting video. Thanks for continuing to produce interesting content.
this is the 3rd video i'm watching on this and i know all the info from the first one on TechEpiphany, but i just couldn't miss THE STEVES !
I'm waiting for Ryzen low power embedded ITX boards.
Would make a sweet PFsense box for gigabit VPN builds.
Im waiting for a AM4 thin mini itx board
Love the thumbnail, two thumbs way up!
I thought the Athlon was dead? Also is that the Great Wall PSU from the Wal-Mart "Underpowered" PC disassembled on the desk?
They quietly refreshed the line last a few month after the Raven Ridge APU launch
They brought a couple of them over to the AM4 platform after Raven Ridge launched.
@J Fz i think these are 2200gs with 2 bad cpu cores and a bunch of bad vega cus. either that or theyre the rejects from the mobile/soldered on board soc lineup.
@J Fz R3s could have SMT enabled if they had less cores
@J Fz Dead i5s were used to make i3s. (7th Gen)
man that oced 2600k is still hanging in there for its age
Sandy and Ivy Bridge are god tier processors
I'm glad you did this review for testing discrete GPUs. I own a 4560T (2.9 Ghz) and think this Athlon would be at least a decent switch back into AMD processors again. Because I agree 2C-4T processors by Intel are not worth their price point anymore.
The other problem is that the Athlon and Ryzen APUs have an 8x PCI-e limit, even if you have a 16x slot.
AMD Athlon and Resident Evil 2... What year is this!!!!
Tried on MSI B450M PRO-M2 multiplier unlocked.
I really admire the list of benchmarks. How much time it takes! I know that reusing other benchmarks results but wow 😊
I just did that, and this is amazing, this cheap can actually play game, play youtube at 1080p and display thrid 1080p screen.
Before overclock it didn't work too well (I got custom cooling for that mind you).
Long sttory short, had to upgrade, because of some old hw failure and decided I don't want an expensive cpu yet - chose 200GE.
Cool beans...
Dude keep it up! You have to stay consistent to grow your following.
GN, consider benchmarking deep-learning data sets. Will require less effort at your end, but will provide tremendous value to the audience looking for build cost effective machines for deep learning activity.
I'm more surprised that a that an overclocked i7-2600k is performing almost on par with an overclocked Ryzen 7 1700. It would be cool to revisit good ol Sandy sometime.
Single core performance is quite similar between those two. At the least the OC version of the I7. Multi-core performance is a different story though.
@@Koeras16 Yeah In gaming I'm sure they have similar performance but, I agree. You can't go wrong with 16 threads.
2:09 Can I come over to wipe that lens off?
4:49 just nitpicking here but that's technically incorrect as every die has it's own unique layout, if I'm not mistaken.
it's even more common for the L3 cache to be in the middle as it's shared between cores
for example Haswell E has it's L3 cache in the middle and cores on the side:
www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Haswell-Labeled.jpg
or Coffee Lake has it between the cores:
en.wikichip.org/w/images/thumb/3/39/coffee_lake_die_%28hexa_core%29_%28annotated%29.png/650px-coffee_lake_die_%28hexa_core%29_%28annotated%29.png
I see that Titan RTX sitting on the shelf Steve.... when do we get more info???
I knew what you meant but at 6:43 you said "intels closes competition is the G5600" but you meant AMD. Doesnt matter I was just "Nitpicking" like Linus said you "dont do" lol. Got to be critical or nothing will improve
Your font in the thumbnail made 200GE look like it says 2 o o g e. I read it like "twooge" with a soft g.
You guys should add Ultimate Battle Simulator to the bench tests
It's actually not a wise choice considering the Ryzen 1200 or if your want a APU then the Ryzen 2200G
Good review, now I'm buying the 7980XE. Those sweet turn times.
Well, You might need a very good cooler to at least keep the temps below 90°c, that thing is hot and expensive.
BTW ... Can't wait for the Athlon 220GE & 240GE ! I wonder what they can do on this MSI bios ! Do you know WHEN those are coming ?
For some odd reason, this gave me vibes from times when both Athlons and Pentiums were still the best for gamers.
If I where this budget limited I would just look for used parts with superior performance on the used market. I can find a 2600K Sandybridge system with 16GB DDR3 RAM for sale at just $100. So that is what i would get...
Please do comparison with 2200g and its comparisons with the iGPU performance
So basically, its a pretty cool piece of kit thats really decent value if you're looking for an ultra-budget pc for light gaming / web / office tasks.
Once the charts come out I pretty much stop paying attention
Forcing this diminutive CPU to do things it was never intended for was cruel and fun back in the day..
good stuff amazing review
Those Gamers Nexus thumbnails though
Oh! I see the Great Wall PSU dissasembled there :o
Didn't skip the ads, mate
It's cool, but the 200ge makes the most sense in a total budget build, on a motherboard that won't let you OC. On a better board, the price increase for a 2200 becomes least significant in terms of increased total spend. So if you're thinking of buying a 200ge to OC, just buy the 2200 instead. The only situation I could see the 200ge making much sense for someone who is going to OC it is as a placeholder before buying a much faster CPU. Say you're going to buy the rest of the gear now and later you're going to buy a 3600 when they're available.
Thats kinda right, but cheap b350 msi boards start at around 60€, while a320 boards start at around 45€, so if you have a little extra to spend, this is totally worth it.
Yep, agreed. Outside of that scenario where you needed a new PC now (say your old mobo/cpu died) and you really wanted to wait for the 7nm Ryzen to come out and just need a placeholder in a better system, I don't see a reason to pair it with more expensive motherboards. Even in low power/fanless/SFF builds where heat/TDP are more of a concern than price, the 2200g undervolts pretty well. Plus, since I live near a MicroCenter, the 2200g is $79.99 and the one time I saw they had the 200ge still in stock and on their website, it was $49.99 i think, so well worth the $30 upgrade to the 2200g. Now, if someone doesn't game or just wants an ultra cheap build where every dollar saved can go to another part in the budget, its a decent little cpu/apu. But, I have 2x 2200g builds, one left as an APU in a SFF mini-ITX case where power consumption and heat are big concerns (undervolted, GPU OC'd to 1500mhz and CPU left stock, temps hitting 75-80C under load and higher doing stress tests), and the other in my main HTPC that is paired with a 1060 3gb (OC'd to 3.9GHz), and it hits its limits with some games, like AC: Origins that I am just getting around to finishing up now (haven't even tried Odyssey yet). So its hard to recommend the 200ge as a long term solution when paired with mid tier or better GPU's on pricier motherboards over just getting the 2200g/1200 or better.
I disagree on it going on Non-OC motherboards. It should go on a cheap B450 board if you want a good upgrade path. Only put it on an A320 if you have no desire to ever upgrade.
I must have misheard, I thought OC for this was only in more expensive boards and not any MSI B350/450. Definitely very little reason to go with a 320 in a gaming machine since the cost savings is small over a 350/450, even for locked CPU’s.
I legit feel like I am being watched now b/c just today I was looking for does cpu but couldn't find videos for that cpu 👀
Thank you for this video helped me
Also can you do one for the amd s10? Am4 socket
Aquaman is talking now techy things.. nce video though.. :)
OMG!!! AMD Athlon is still a thing , Am i the only one that thinks very old when hearing that name?
Would it bottleneck if you have an RTX card? Thank you again gamers nexus for providing relevant information. Always love it :)
I wouldn't say its performance is astounding, since used CPUs like an i3 3220 should be somewhere in the same region and cost much less, but it's still impressive what a little 35W TDP CPU can do nowadays, even being able to play Far Cry 5 with it and such.
@@tomstech4390 Why not? You buy the CPU, run the benchmarks and tell your audience what it's still capable of in newer games, compared to new CPUs. Where do you see the problem?! There are quite some videos out there doing exactly that.
I am in the market for a new system for my son, he is a avid Overwatch fan and the i3 2100 is showing it's age. Having seen how badly the I7 2600K at 4.7ghz did and barely competed with entry level parts, I think if this bios is unlocked and stays that way then the GE is a nice part and cost effective. If MSI retracts the BIOS I will look at the 2200G for him. I have a RX470 4GB card in his current so I don't think I need to change that, but the 200GE will be a low cost significant improvement over an i3 2100
I used to do 3d renders on my C2Q6600. took 2-3 days, on average.
I got a 200GE to use in a storage server, should be fine for that.
Love Live AMD Athlon
the main reason to buy this CPU is just to have retro Athlon vibes but that can actually run latest OS like WIndows 10 at decent modern speeds
Nah the main reason is the silicon craze you can't even get 1050 for $150 back in those day it's crazy man
Kimi the King of Spa!!!!!! Who is the Raikkonen fan?
You say 2x the price though in reality, with pricing as it is in the UK you can pick up a 1200 for +/- a few pounds from £70 compared to the £55 cost of the 200ge. For £15 ISH you don't have to fiddle finding a board and bios to oc on. Though for a budget integrated solution, it's going to be a greater than £15 saving XD
i have been saying this ever since the 200ge came out, they shoulda kept the damn thing unlocked in the first place!
If Adobe would optimize Premiere for Threadripper and Ryzen, Intel might lose a lot of market. That 2990WX is a beast in other rendering apps!
You put the core i9 9980XE as 18c/32t. If you use a template for benchmark graphs, please change it.
that voice, stay well Steve
Can you do an overclocking tool vid? Going over Ryzen Master, Intel Xtreme, and motherboard tools vs UEFI overclocking. I would love to know how all of those stack up against each other.
Ryzen Master is iffy for OCing. Best to do it within bios imo.
The best "error" that could happen for AMD to get some buzz for these 200GE's.
This is one overpowered psu u got there :D
Asrock released a bios update for the B450-HDV to overclock the 200ge. I have mine at 3.8 GHz
I think I saw a microscopic Titan RTX box through that magnifying lens hidden in the QR code on the IHS! Obviously you shrunk it down and tried to hide it :) /s
2 cores in 2018? Not for my gaming builds. This would probably be best for non-gaming uses.
Did I see 2016 printed on the heat spreader correctly? I thought this cpu was released in 2018.
Have you guys not tested the i3 8100? I'm curious how it holds up against the Sandy and -Ivy Bridge muscles from back in the day.
I look forward to the limited foil version of that shirt.