This is why I like this channel so much. Every other Tech tube channel.: BLACK FRIDAY!!!!.. 🙄 This channel "let's have a look back at some old school tech" Great stuff man great work.
It is a very very welcome distraction from the current Ryzen and Threadripper hype. I am sick of these enthusiastic videos from excited youtubers who are oblivious to the fact that 99% of their audience don't do hours of video rendering every day.
@@UltimateAlgorithm look I know that, I am just tired af from seeing videos about how great Ryzen every single day for months now. Also I said the video is a nice distraction, not that Ryzen was.
Athlon 64 4000+ and MSI k8n neo2 platinum + XFX 7600GS AGP was my first PC build with my own money back in old days... still keeping the CPU and Motherboard and working condition but sadly 7600GS die... Great vid btw... long all your retro parts review... Keep it up...
1:27 indeed the Athlon 64 4000+ CPU cost 729 bucks when it came out but in late 2005 the CPU got discounted to something like 350 dollars. I remember a friend of mine paying full price but I knew that dual core CPUs would be coming out in mid or late 2005 so I correctly predicted there would be a massive price cut and I was right. As soon as I saw this video I contacted my friend (we are still friends after 20 plus years) and we had a good laugh at this. Thanks for the video Phil
That's the motherboard I had for my A64 build! What a beast! Loved the PCI-E and AGP, very helpful as a teenager when I couldn't upgrade it all at once.
I had an Opteron 150 back then, which was exactly the same as the 4000+, at about half the price. I got it because I couldn't afford the 4000+, and didn't want to settle for a lower model like the 3200+ because it had many different core revisions (89W CG w/o SSE3, 67W D0 w/o SSE3, 67W E3/E4/E6 with SSE3, and a rebranded Opteron 146 with 1 MB cache) and you never knew which one you were getting - it was "silicon lottery" in the most literal sense. I overclocked it to 3 GHz, and it beat every P4, including the ludicrously expensive 3.73 GHz EE and even some of the Pentium Ds that came out afterward. There was also an obscure model called Opteron 156 that ran at 3 GHz out of the box, but good luck finding one...
As much as I love using the new hardware today, I LOVE seeing the older hardware. My favorite GPUs back then were the X850 XT Platinum, X700 Pro and 7950 GX2. I also loved the Intel P4 HT and AMD FX line. One day I'm going to collect all my favorite GPUs. My first GPU I owned was the ATi Radeon 9800 XT. What a time it was.
haha...i have this EXACT mobo but will make it a win98 gaming machine with a 3200+ (inspired by an old video of yours)...so glad i kept all my old pcs...i love your channel man! keep the good work
Those were the days! My A64 3700+ San Diego on a MSI K8N Neo 2 Platinum with 2gb of PC3200 memory and an X1900XT was completely awesome. Never had a more stable build than that. I'm still regretting the fact that I sold it as a perfectly working Hackintosh... 🤐
I still have my original 4000+ from back in the day, I paired it with an ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe and a 6800GT, the GPU I still have, the motherboard went the way of the Dodo years ago. I did acquire a Gigabyte nForce4 board recently so who knows, I might rebuild the system at some point.
You just built my teenage years computer. Except I had a Nvidia graphics card. I chose the 939 dual because I couldn't afford a new fangled pci card until later and knew I'd want to upgrade in a year or two. Wow a blast from the past.
I had an Athlon 64 3000+ in an Asus A8N5X, with an Nvidia 6600GT running Windows XP 64-bit. Contrary to most users' experience, it ran every program and game I threw at it. What I lusted after was the Athon X2 3800+. Never did get one, and jumped straight to a Q6600.
I skipped 754 and 939 myself, only because I couldn't afford it quite yet. Two of my good friends did upgrade around that time, though, and I was able to help them with their builds and was thoroughly happy with their machines. I finally upgraded from Athlon XP to an AM2, an Athlon 5600+ which carried me a long time (until Phenom II) and was a fantastic overclocker as well.
2004 was an amazing year man. I got my first gaming pc back then. I loved all those games you showed. Painkiller was also a damn good game that came out that year. And man did that 6800 ultra just breeze through games back then. I miss 2004 lol.
I still have my Asus a8n-sli-premium with an opteron 165. Many people were able to get incredible overclocks with the processor, but I was only able to hit 2.7ghz with an overvolt. I decided to turn it around and was able to undervolt the CPU and still run 2.6ghz. It was the first computer I ever built and I still love it.
Nice. I've been playing around with its little brother, the 3800+, some time ago. The system, with an A8N32-SLI Dlx as a base, is now rocking the beast called FX-60
The Athlon64 4000+ with the 939 Dual-SATA2 has always been my go to combo for Windows XP. :) Now I have the AM2 CPU board with a 6400+ @3.5GHz, a nice upgrade from the 4000+ :) This mobo is so good, so fast, so stable, never had issues with it :)
I remember the forum arguments. :D I had a Sapphire X1950Pro 512MB AGP and regularly obtained better results than tech sites which were using the PCIe equivalent, probably because my mbd was running with a decent 6000+. I did upgrade eventually though, to an 8800GT, and that was quite a bump.
@@mapesdhs597 Its imposible to have better results in this compare because you have better CPU, unless your PCIe card is seriously bottlenecked. There is gigantic difference in bandwith in AGP vs PCIe (even gen1) and there is seriously nothing to compare. PCIe gen 1 is over 2x faster. Not to mention much higer power delievery, and full duplex. AGP at release of PCIe was already seriously inferior, and outdated.
I'm not sure but, I think this mainboard had a slow AGP implementation. Kinda curious if those rows of jumpers are related... meh, if it's the UMC chipsets I'm thinking about anyway.
Great video full of nice nostalgic feels. :) My first Athlon 64 was probably the socket 754 2800+ but now have lots of the later Athlon chips - mostly on AM2 boards. 939 is really uncommon now. Makes it special. :)
i don't think it will be obsolete by then since they've reached 7nm process so that means there wouldn't be much jumps in performance in the future on both CPUS and gpus
Great video! Brought back memories of my old 939 days. Hey Im an Aussie and back then I had a 3700+ san diego and then upgraded it to a FX-57 the yr after for only $175 as the Ebay listing was advertised incorrectly as a 3500+ haha so got a bargin! anyway hit me up if you need to do a review on the FX-57 as I still have it here in my original system I put together all those yrs ago on a GB-K8NF-9 Ultra Mobo with 2GB DDR500 RAM.
I think the correct power profile for cool and quiet in XP is meant to be 'minimal power management' rather than portable/ laptop, although interesting to see that seems to work as well, although presumably if windows thinks its running on a laptop it might be a bit more thrifty with power. Nice vid!
I had the Athlon 64 3200 using a Geforce 6800GT and an SB Audigy 2 sound card. Later on the CPU was upgraded to the Athlon 64 X2 3800. My brother still has this system in his garage!
I like the 939 Athlons. They were superior to Pentium 4 withe their low latency high speed memory controller and, last but not least, AMDs Cool'n Quiet technology. Have had a 3500+ for a very long time. Thanks for the memories, Phil!
Hi, still got my AMD 64 X2 4600+ put the machine back together in its original case i bought back in the day, not got my Nvidia 6600GT no more tho but found an old AMD 7750, The main board is the GA-K8N Pro-SLI booting off sata with a small 30gb SSD :) was just to test see if if still worked and brought some good memories flooding back with my fave game Battlefield 2.
Wow! I had this one since 2006 till 2014! 8 yrs running Windows MCE and Kubuntu 8 to 12. I replaced it against FX-6300. Still running and love it. Oh, I forgot that I still have Athlon64 5400 running 12 yrs in Computer of my son. Very seldom used lately but still ok.
That processor was at the center of my first and only new computer I've ever bought (all the previous and after ones were all bought used). I was rocking it on an AM2 M2n4-sli with a single 1gb stick, geforce 8400GS and 250gb hard drive all for the beautiful amount of 400€.
I "only" used an Athlon 64 3700+ back then, but it was overclocked a bit. Paired with a GeForce 7800GT, it made for a great gaming and all-round experience for everything I did.
@Dalle Smalhals Because back then, with the price level here in Norway, it provided the best bang for the buck. I'm not talking about retro systems now, but my actual system back in the day. I still have the CPU, but I sent the motherboard and the graphics card to Phil years ago, but I dunno if they still work.
I remember wanting one of these so bad, back in the day. But they were ridiculously expensive. Ended up getting an Athlon 64 X2 4000+ on the AM2 socket. Loved it to bits and kept it way past it's warranty.
I remember back in late 2004, I assembled a PC with the combination of Athlon64 3500 CPU (2.2Ghz) and Geforce 6800GT, damn that was awesome!! It cost me a lot, yet it's worth every penny. It ran so smooth with Far Cry, Half Life 2, Doom 3, Quake 4, and this PC even supported me in my homework!! Back then I enrolled in a class which needed quite a lot of computational power to simulate and analyze network flows, while most people only owned laptop computers, I had this powerful machine to get the job done faster than other people!!
Phil, thanks for reminding me about Crysis and Far Cry - I saw excellent Black Friday deals on both games (and most of the Tomb Raider series, too)! Soon I'm going to see how well my Piledriver (and older systems) can handle those two games.
although i never had one, i chose the parts and built a nice system with an athlon 64 for a friend, first time using dual channel memory not realising what slots to put them in. i freaked and thought i killed it. a little while later i figured it out from the manual and it was great to see windows xp 64 bit for the first time. and counterstrike never looked so smooth!
This was a dream setup for those days, this motherboard was so nice, and the video card was a dream, would be nice see those s939 dfi lan party's motherboards back 😎
Back in the day I had a X850XT-PE AGP on my P4P800-VM, 2,4GHz P4 later upgraded to 3,4GHz Northwood. Later on the X850XT-PE was replaced by an X1950XT AGP, a nice Boost back then. In the second life of the system there was an Gainward BLISS 7800GS+ AGP 24PP installed, I got a bargain on the 7800GS+ and sold the X1950XT for a very good price. It used less space, was, if I remember right, using less power and ran almost equally to the X1950XT.
They had some very interesting offerings at that time. Intel 8xx chipset 775 board that had DDR1 slots and AGP for example. Great way to upgrade from Athlon XP systems. However ASRock’s build quality and BIOS at the time were ... shaky. I wouldn’t want to go back to that unless it was for a “build and go” XP/98 system...
I have the same exact motherboard and a 3800x2, it served me well as my main PC for a good 5 years! Recently I mounted the fastest agp card I have around (a radeon 9800pro), and now is a very nice win98 retro machine :)
I was working in computer store and we sold custom pc's. I recommended Athlon as best bang for the buck but most of the people wanted a "real" Pentium.
@@itzamedave6242 Erh..well..Facebook AIN'T the place for our generation, kid ;-) And I already have a GTX260 core 216(in a drawer) = not THAT slower than the GTX 275! And DX10 cards EVEN today! ...naah..unless a 285!
I had this cpu from 2006 to 2010 to asus a8nsli socket 939 with 8gb ram ddr 1 400. And a radeon HD... Old memories was good processor. Replaced by phenom 2 X4 980. Was great.
I saw a socket 939 package online a few days ago. I decide to pick it up for a Retro XP build. The package included an Asus A8N-SLI Premium motherboard, Athlon 64 3800+, 4x1ghz Corsair XMS memory sticks, and what looks like the original Asus CPU fan/heatsink combo (big heavy copper heatsink with 2 pipes and fan that sits on a blue fan bracket). Everything was $26 shipped. Edit: and IO shield
My dad bought a 3500+ back in the day (Jan 2005 I think). Was quite the cpu. Sadly his mobo died in 2008 and he didnt bother buying a new board to see if the cpu still works. I wish I could find it, I'd love messing with that cpu
10:50 it blew my mind when it came out. I loved the original one, Pandora Tomorrow was good, but Chaos Theory set the bar high, so high, that even today it is not matched. RIP Tom Clancy.
I clicked on this expecting the Athlon 64 X2 4000+. A very different processor with a very similar name. The X2 is a dual core so it runs great for the one I have.
Between 2007 and 2011, the Athlon 64 4000+ Socket 939 (San Diego, Revision E6) CPU was my main processor, on an ECS Elitegroup nForce3-A939 motherboard (using the nForce3 250 chipset), running with a 2x1GB kit of Kingston HyperX KHX3200AK2/2G DDR 400 CL2 memory, a Sound Blaster Audigy SB0090, a 256MB MSI Radeon HD 2600 Pro passively cooled AGP card, and an Ageia PhysX PCI card. :-D
After spending years on Socket A with my Athlon XP 2500+ I made the move to Socket 939 with an Athlon 64 3000+ and 1GB of DDR1. It was quite fast for a single core processor and all my games ran smoothly with the GPUs I had at the time: GeForce 4 Ti 4200 and GeForce 6600 GT. I had the MSI Neo3 motherboard for the first build on that platform then moving on to MSI Neo4 for a jump to PCIe in which I then paired the board with a dual core Opteron and GeForce 7900 GT.
Wow, that's my dad's PC's processor. That thing powered my flash games and 2007 UA-cam - quite sluggishly, strangely enough. And now I know why that PC cost 1300 USD back in 2005. And he had all the games showcased in this video. (Far Cry, BF2, Half-Life 2, Doom 3, F.E.A.R.. still got the CD/DVDs :) Now I use that PC as my server, since it has one of those fancy Asus PCI-E SATA RAID mobos and 1 GB of RAM. Quite a rocket for the time.
I remember my first PC build was socket 939 but I used the dual core Athlon X2 3800+ with 2GB RAM and an eVGA 7600GT video card. Fun times! It ran Oblivion ok at the time, not on high details or anything though. Phil, if you read this post, I seem to remember a lot of talk in online forums back then about the socket 939 Opteron processors and their overclocking capabilities. Maybe you could look into that in a future video.
I recently did a build around my x2 5000+, The fist processor I brought with money saved up from my first job after school. Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2P AM2+/AM3 Socket, Athlon 64 x2 5000+ (slightly overclocked to 2.8 GHZ), 4GB DDR2 800 and my trusty GTX 550 ti with Windows 7 64 bit for the operating system.
I still have a system running an x2 4200 o/c to 2.5 just for stability. I can push 2.7 but its sketch. 2mb l2 cache. Its paired with a 9800gtx+ & 4gb of ddr400 & a 320gb sata2. Fantastic xp machine.
ATI Radeon X850 XT .............that was the first GPU I ever bought with my own money and installed on my PC!!! brings back memories. I love PC gaming so much. early 2006 was a great year for me
I remember to bought an Athlon 3200 and a week later I change it to an Atlom X2 4400, one exceptional processor with 2mb cache witch you need to enable by twicking the windows registry.
Still have a 939 system kicking around, I upgraded it recently to an athlon from a sempron. I have been looking for the daughter board for that motherboard for a while but can't seem to find it, I was hoping to make a nice little project out of it see what it was capable of.
As to using Ryzen coolers, one can also use AM2, AM3, AM3+, FM1 and FM2 coolers. They are all the same size and have somewhat similar cooling properties. I am currently using an Arctic Cooling Alpine AM4 (product number ACALP00025A) on a lightly overclocked Ryzen 5 1600 and it idles at 34C or so. BTW this model is listed as being for use on AM2, AM3 and AM4 for 95W TDP. It seems all Arctic coolers are very quiet as well.
Re low power consumption: If you want to try undervolting the Athlon64 CPUs, try out RMCLOCK. You can significantly reduce the idle power draw on some CPUs by reducing the Vcore of the low power state. Some of the core revisions allow slowing down the CPU to 800MHz and Vcore settings down to 0.800V, those are the ones that can benefit the most. To test stability, just set rmclock to lock the CPU in the experimental setting (so it doesn't throttle up) and run Prime95 to see if it's stable. Once you find the stable minimum voltage, bump it up slightly more to ensure it will be solid.
Back in that nice days i had a 3200+ sitting on an Abit AV8. Overclocked it to 2500MHz with Adata Vitesta DDR500 RAM. Kept my good old 9800pro in that system. Later swapped to GF7800GS and X2 3800+
My favourite set up from back in the day. I had a 3500+ Winchester s939, and went with a Gainward Ultra/2400 6800 GLH. The X850 has surpassed the 6800 these days due to driver updates but I loved the rivalry between the 6800 and x800s back then. Need to get me another Winchester chip.
I played it again recently, with both expansions. It still holds up SO well. IMHO more fun than many newer FPSs that came after. In fact FEAR came out around the time old school shooters basically disappeared. After that... ugh...
I had (in fact still have) the 3800+ which was the same speed but with only half the L2 cache. It cost less than half the price of the 4000+ at the time.
PC Games Hardare (German PC Magazine) used the Athlon 54 4000+ for benchmarking the PC games in 2005. It was the best CPU on this time but very expensive
I have fond memories of my 2.7GHz X2 5200+. I had it paired with 4GBs of RAM and a 640MB 8800GTS. It had a Windows 7/Windows XP dual boot set up on a 320GB Western Digital drive. I miss that old Athlon system. It would've been a great retro PC to keep around. Still have the 8800GTS though.
Back in the day (2004-2006) i rocked a really weird system, i had the first "official" P4 with HT, i think it was Northwood. That CPU also ran 800 MHz FSB, which made it a bit better than the first version (i think you reviewed the 3.06 GHz version). I also rocked an ATI Radeon 9200, which was low end, but it beat the Intel GMA for quite a lot. Man, that system saw soo many games...
2006 ! what a year ! it was a great year for PC-Gaming ! i remember having my new fresh rig = Athlon64 3800+ / Geforce 7600GT / 1 Go RAM DDR 2/ MSi K9N Neo MB , replacing my old good PC = P4 ( 1st Gen) 2.6 Ghz / ASUS-Radeon 9600XT / 512 DDR RAM , it was lika day & night even though i really liked the ASUS9600XT it was so powerful but unfortunately no Shader Model 3.0 support !! i remember FEAR & BF2 trounced my old PC.
I remember my friend had one of the cheap athlon x2s that hit the silicon lottery. We got it to 2.9(iirc) stable, sank way too many watts with all his cards so he set it to 2.5. It was glorious, a 500mhz jump doesn't sound like much today nor even a 900mhz one, but 2006 it was night/day.
This is why I like this channel so much.
Every other Tech tube channel.: BLACK FRIDAY!!!!.. 🙄
This channel "let's have a look back at some old school tech"
Great stuff man great work.
Old tech. Where every day is -Boxing- I mean Black Friday
That's the same reason i love this channel too
so true 😀
Yes very nice channel
When AMD & ATi were different companies!
Every other techtuber: AMDs brand new w3950x w3960x!
Phil: AMD 64 4000!
Don't ever change phil!
It is a very very welcome distraction from the current Ryzen and Threadripper hype. I am sick of these enthusiastic videos from excited youtubers who are oblivious to the fact that 99% of their audience don't do hours of video rendering every day.
@@catriona_drummond Not as sick as I am of stale processor developement before Ryzen came in.
@@catriona_drummond Ryzen is a good CPU, especially Zen 2 microarchitecture. They're really interesting and not a distraction.
@@UltimateAlgorithm look I know that, I am just tired af from seeing videos about how great Ryzen every single day for months now.
Also I said the video is a nice distraction, not that Ryzen was.
@@catriona_drummond yeah I agree, there's a lot of coverage. But I think people is just really exited that AMD now on par, or even surpassing Intel.
Athlon 64 4000+ and MSI k8n neo2 platinum + XFX 7600GS AGP was my first PC build with my own money back in old days... still keeping the CPU and Motherboard and working condition but sadly 7600GS die... Great vid btw... long all your retro parts review... Keep it up...
1:27 indeed the Athlon 64 4000+ CPU cost 729 bucks when it came out but in late 2005 the CPU got discounted to something like 350 dollars. I remember a friend of mine paying full price but I knew that dual core CPUs would be coming out in mid or late 2005 so I correctly predicted there would be a massive price cut and I was right. As soon as I saw this video I contacted my friend (we are still friends after 20 plus years) and we had a good laugh at this. Thanks for the video Phil
Awesome! Thank you for sharing :D
That's the motherboard I had for my A64 build! What a beast! Loved the PCI-E and AGP, very helpful as a teenager when I couldn't upgrade it all at once.
I had an Opteron 150 back then, which was exactly the same as the 4000+, at about half the price. I got it because I couldn't afford the 4000+, and didn't want to settle for a lower model like the 3200+ because it had many different core revisions (89W CG w/o SSE3, 67W D0 w/o SSE3, 67W E3/E4/E6 with SSE3, and a rebranded Opteron 146 with 1 MB cache) and you never knew which one you were getting - it was "silicon lottery" in the most literal sense.
I overclocked it to 3 GHz, and it beat every P4, including the ludicrously expensive 3.73 GHz EE and even some of the Pentium Ds that came out afterward.
There was also an obscure model called Opteron 156 that ran at 3 GHz out of the box, but good luck finding one...
As much as I love using the new hardware today, I LOVE seeing the older hardware. My favorite GPUs back then were the X850 XT Platinum, X700 Pro and 7950 GX2. I also loved the Intel P4 HT and AMD FX line. One day I'm going to collect all my favorite GPUs. My first GPU I owned was the ATi Radeon 9800 XT. What a time it was.
The X850 XT PE is indeed a really cool graphics card!
haha...i have this EXACT mobo but will make it a win98 gaming machine with a 3200+ (inspired by an old video of yours)...so glad i kept all my old pcs...i love your channel man! keep the good work
Those were the days! My A64 3700+ San Diego on a MSI K8N Neo 2 Platinum with 2gb of PC3200 memory and an X1900XT was completely awesome. Never had a more stable build than that. I'm still regretting the fact that I sold it as a perfectly working Hackintosh... 🤐
I drooled over these and the FX one's back in the day
Me too (I was stuck with Celeron D with IGP)
I still have my original 4000+ from back in the day, I paired it with an ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe and a 6800GT, the GPU I still have, the motherboard went the way of the Dodo years ago. I did acquire a Gigabyte nForce4 board recently so who knows, I might rebuild the system at some point.
@Dalle Smalhals But it had Deluxe in the name 😋 TBH, I can't even recall how it died.
You just built my teenage years computer. Except I had a Nvidia graphics card. I chose the 939 dual because I couldn't afford a new fangled pci card until later and knew I'd want to upgrade in a year or two. Wow a blast from the past.
I had an Athlon 64 3000+ in an Asus A8N5X, with an Nvidia 6600GT running Windows XP 64-bit. Contrary to most users' experience, it ran every program and game I threw at it. What I lusted after was the Athon X2 3800+. Never did get one, and jumped straight to a Q6600.
I skipped 754 and 939 myself, only because I couldn't afford it quite yet. Two of my good friends did upgrade around that time, though, and I was able to help them with their builds and was thoroughly happy with their machines. I finally upgraded from Athlon XP to an AM2, an Athlon 5600+ which carried me a long time (until Phenom II) and was a fantastic overclocker as well.
2004 was an amazing year man. I got my first gaming pc back then. I loved all those games you showed. Painkiller was also a damn good game that came out that year. And man did that 6800 ultra just breeze through games back then. I miss 2004 lol.
I still have my Asus a8n-sli-premium with an opteron 165. Many people were able to get incredible overclocks with the processor, but I was only able to hit 2.7ghz with an overvolt. I decided to turn it around and was able to undervolt the CPU and still run 2.6ghz. It was the first computer I ever built and I still love it.
I remember my Athlon 3500+. It was beast.
Skipped the entire dual core era with that chip, felt no need to upgrade till I got my hands on an i7 920
Nice. I've been playing around with its little brother, the 3800+, some time ago. The system, with an A8N32-SLI Dlx as a base, is now rocking the beast called FX-60
That was so cool, thank you for the peek into yesterday. You motivated me for my next build .ty.🙂👍👍
The Athlon64 4000+ with the 939 Dual-SATA2 has always been my go to combo for Windows XP. :) Now I have the AM2 CPU board with a 6400+ @3.5GHz, a nice upgrade from the 4000+ :)
This mobo is so good, so fast, so stable, never had issues with it :)
Nice motherboard! Maybe a "AGP versus PCIe graphics card competition" for future videos?
I remember the forum arguments. :D I had a Sapphire X1950Pro 512MB AGP and regularly obtained better results than tech sites which were using the PCIe equivalent, probably because my mbd was running with a decent 6000+. I did upgrade eventually though, to an 8800GT, and that was quite a bump.
@@mapesdhs597 Its imposible to have better results in this compare because you have better CPU, unless your PCIe card is seriously bottlenecked.
There is gigantic difference in bandwith in AGP vs PCIe (even gen1) and there is seriously nothing to compare. PCIe gen 1 is over 2x faster. Not to mention much higer power delievery, and full duplex. AGP at release of PCIe was already seriously inferior, and outdated.
I'm not sure but, I think this mainboard had a slow AGP implementation. Kinda curious if those rows of jumpers are related... meh, if it's the UMC chipsets I'm thinking about anyway.
@@zarkeh3013 This chipset from ULI was exceptional, with full and simultaneous AGP 8x and PCIe
@@zarkeh3013 The Intel equivalent 775Dual-VSTA had a PCIe x4, this has both full speed AGP8x and PCIe x16 :)
Great video full of nice nostalgic feels. :) My first Athlon 64 was probably the socket 754 2800+ but now have lots of the later Athlon chips - mostly on AM2 boards. 939 is really uncommon now. Makes it special. :)
This is what the 3950X is going to be in 15 years :)
True, almost the same price at launch. 3950X is more expensive at 750 USD, but actually cheaper if you consider inflation.
11years from now: let's see how the 3900x thread ripper with the old 2080ti run today in this new retro build xD
i don't think it will be obsolete by then since they've reached 7nm process so that means there wouldn't be much jumps in performance in the future on both CPUS and gpus
Great video! Brought back memories of my old 939 days. Hey Im an Aussie and back then I had a 3700+ san diego and then upgraded it to a FX-57 the yr after for only $175 as the Ebay listing was advertised incorrectly as a 3500+ haha so got a bargin! anyway hit me up if you need to do a review on the FX-57 as I still have it here in my original system I put together all those yrs ago on a GB-K8NF-9 Ultra Mobo with 2GB DDR500 RAM.
I think the correct power profile for cool and quiet in XP is meant to be 'minimal power management' rather than portable/ laptop, although interesting to see that seems to work as well, although presumably if windows thinks its running on a laptop it might be a bit more thrifty with power. Nice vid!
Ahhhh... what memories! Thank you!!!
Totally love socket 939 builds there is something about that era and tech that just either worked or it never lol
I had a 3800+ ..... loved it. Memories.
The First Ever Video I Ever Seen On This Channel !
I had the Athlon 64 3200 using a Geforce 6800GT and an SB Audigy 2 sound card. Later on the CPU was upgraded to the Athlon 64 X2 3800. My brother still has this system in his garage!
I like the 939 Athlons. They were superior to Pentium 4 withe their low latency high speed memory controller and, last but not least, AMDs Cool'n Quiet technology. Have had a 3500+ for a very long time. Thanks for the memories, Phil!
Hi, still got my AMD 64 X2 4600+ put the machine back together in its original case i bought back in the day, not got my Nvidia 6600GT no more tho but found an old AMD 7750, The main board is the GA-K8N Pro-SLI booting off sata with a small 30gb SSD :) was just to test see if if still worked and brought some good memories flooding back with my fave game Battlefield 2.
Your videos always relaxing, nice
Wow! I had this one since 2006 till 2014! 8 yrs running Windows MCE and Kubuntu 8 to 12.
I replaced it against FX-6300. Still running and love it.
Oh, I forgot that I still have Athlon64 5400 running 12 yrs in Computer of my son. Very seldom used lately but still ok.
That processor was at the center of my first and only new computer I've ever bought (all the previous and after ones were all bought used). I was rocking it on an AM2 M2n4-sli with a single 1gb stick, geforce 8400GS and 250gb hard drive all for the beautiful amount of 400€.
I "only" used an Athlon 64 3700+ back then, but it was overclocked a bit. Paired with a GeForce 7800GT, it made for a great gaming and all-round experience for everything I did.
@Dalle Smalhals 939. Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard.
@Dalle Smalhals Because back then, with the price level here in Norway, it provided the best bang for the buck. I'm not talking about retro systems now, but my actual system back in the day. I still have the CPU, but I sent the motherboard and the graphics card to Phil years ago, but I dunno if they still work.
I remember wanting one of these so bad, back in the day. But they were ridiculously expensive. Ended up getting an Athlon 64 X2 4000+ on the AM2 socket. Loved it to bits and kept it way past it's warranty.
I have one of those amd cards in my old Pentium 4 build. Good memories Phillip!
I remember back in late 2004, I assembled a PC with the combination of Athlon64 3500 CPU (2.2Ghz) and Geforce 6800GT, damn that was awesome!! It cost me a lot, yet it's worth every penny. It ran so smooth with Far Cry, Half Life 2, Doom 3, Quake 4, and this PC even supported me in my homework!! Back then I enrolled in a class which needed quite a lot of computational power to simulate and analyze network flows, while most people only owned laptop computers, I had this powerful machine to get the job done faster than other people!!
The golden days for PC Gaming! Those games right there...
Phil, thanks for reminding me about Crysis and Far Cry - I saw excellent Black Friday deals on both games (and most of the Tomb Raider series, too)! Soon I'm going to see how well my Piledriver (and older systems) can handle those two games.
Well you gotta know i love this one Phil!..Nicely done! Inspired me to add the Athlon 64 to my CPU collection.
@Dalle Smalhals no....I dont lean either way..i just collect when i can..........
My main PC had an athlon 64 x2 6000+ right up until 2015, the 3ghz clock speed carried it surprisingly far!
although i never had one, i chose the parts and built a nice system with an athlon 64 for a friend, first time using dual channel memory not realising what slots to put them in. i freaked and thought i killed it. a little while later i figured it out from the manual and it was great to see windows xp 64 bit for the first time. and counterstrike never looked so smooth!
Again nice video , many likes ! Still running my abit av8 , a64 3000+ , x800pro from back in the day as retro machine :)
This was a dream setup for those days, this motherboard was so nice, and the video card was a dream, would be nice see those s939 dfi lan party's motherboards back 😎
I still have my old 4800+. She rocks for her age. Retired.
Yo Phil, love your vids. Thank you for the hard work. Cheers and happy gaming!
Thank you!
Back in the day I had a X850XT-PE AGP on my P4P800-VM, 2,4GHz P4 later upgraded to 3,4GHz Northwood. Later on the X850XT-PE was replaced by an X1950XT AGP, a nice Boost back then. In the second life of the system there was an Gainward BLISS 7800GS+ AGP 24PP installed, I got a bargain on the 7800GS+ and sold the X1950XT for a very good price. It used less space, was, if I remember right, using less power and ran almost equally to the X1950XT.
Asrock become my latest favourite retro motherboards manufacturer, since socket 775 I really enjoy using thier products !
They had some very interesting offerings at that time. Intel 8xx chipset 775 board that had DDR1 slots and AGP for example. Great way to upgrade from Athlon XP systems. However ASRock’s build quality and BIOS at the time were ... shaky. I wouldn’t want to go back to that unless it was for a “build and go” XP/98 system...
Ryzen coolers on socket 939 - that’s cool!
Love the retro videos. Thanks Phil
I have the same exact motherboard and a 3800x2, it served me well as my main PC for a good 5 years!
Recently I mounted the fastest agp card I have around (a radeon 9800pro), and now is a very nice win98 retro machine :)
my XP retro PC has 3800+ and Geforce 6800 ultra
I was working in computer store and we sold custom pc's. I recommended Athlon as best bang for the buck but most of the people wanted a "real" Pentium.
Athlon 64 wasn’t the best bang for the buck, it was the best, period. :)
:-(
Nice video as all the others you rock dude you explain everything so well
Nice I started building gaming PC when the Athlon 64 series came out and still have a 6000+ X2 in 2021 with a Gtx275 SOC 😁
Ooh! They're actually worth something nowadays! (Even if AM2)
@@dallesamllhals9161 been trying to sale on marketplace but no buyers
@@itzamedave6242 Erh..well..Facebook AIN'T the place for our generation, kid ;-)
And I already have a GTX260 core 216(in a drawer) = not THAT slower than the GTX 275! And DX10 cards EVEN today! ...naah..unless a 285!
My favourite processor but I think was a bit newer was a Athlon X2 6000+
That's socket AM2 not 939 :)
I had this cpu from 2006 to 2010 to asus a8nsli socket 939 with 8gb ram ddr 1 400. And a radeon HD... Old memories was good processor. Replaced by phenom 2 X4 980. Was great.
I saw a socket 939 package online a few days ago. I decide to pick it up for a Retro XP build. The package included an Asus A8N-SLI Premium motherboard, Athlon 64 3800+, 4x1ghz Corsair XMS memory sticks, and what looks like the original Asus CPU fan/heatsink combo (big heavy copper heatsink with 2 pipes and fan that sits on a blue fan bracket). Everything was $26 shipped.
Edit: and IO shield
I have a couple 939 boards, so I’ll have to try out what you put together although I don’t have that GPU. Thanks Phil for another great video 👍
My dad bought a 3500+ back in the day (Jan 2005 I think). Was quite the cpu. Sadly his mobo died in 2008 and he didnt bother buying a new board to see if the cpu still works. I wish I could find it, I'd love messing with that cpu
10:50 it blew my mind when it came out. I loved the original one, Pandora Tomorrow was good, but Chaos Theory set the bar high, so high, that even today it is not matched. RIP Tom Clancy.
Used to play Crysis on an Athlon 3000+ and an AGP 3850.
Still have that system.
I clicked on this expecting the Athlon 64 X2 4000+. A very different processor with a very similar name. The X2 is a dual core so it runs great for the one I have.
Between 2007 and 2011, the Athlon 64 4000+ Socket 939 (San Diego, Revision E6) CPU was my main processor, on an ECS Elitegroup nForce3-A939 motherboard (using the nForce3 250 chipset), running with a 2x1GB kit of Kingston HyperX KHX3200AK2/2G DDR 400 CL2 memory, a Sound Blaster Audigy SB0090, a 256MB MSI Radeon HD 2600 Pro passively cooled AGP card, and an Ageia PhysX PCI card. :-D
After spending years on Socket A with my Athlon XP 2500+ I made the move to Socket 939 with an Athlon 64 3000+ and 1GB of DDR1. It was quite fast for a single core processor and all my games ran smoothly with the GPUs I had at the time: GeForce 4 Ti 4200 and GeForce 6600 GT. I had the MSI Neo3 motherboard for the first build on that platform then moving on to MSI Neo4 for a jump to PCIe in which I then paired the board with a dual core Opteron and GeForce 7900 GT.
Wow, that's my dad's PC's processor. That thing powered my flash games and 2007 UA-cam - quite sluggishly, strangely enough. And now I know why that PC cost 1300 USD back in 2005. And he had all the games showcased in this video. (Far Cry, BF2, Half-Life 2, Doom 3, F.E.A.R.. still got the CD/DVDs :)
Now I use that PC as my server, since it has one of those fancy Asus PCI-E SATA RAID mobos and 1 GB of RAM. Quite a rocket for the time.
I remember my first PC build was socket 939 but I used the dual core Athlon X2 3800+ with 2GB RAM and an eVGA 7600GT video card. Fun times! It ran Oblivion ok at the time, not on high details or anything though. Phil, if you read this post, I seem to remember a lot of talk in online forums back then about the socket 939 Opteron processors and their overclocking capabilities. Maybe you could look into that in a future video.
I recently did a build around my x2 5000+, The fist processor I brought with money saved up from my first job after school. Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2P AM2+/AM3 Socket, Athlon 64 x2 5000+ (slightly overclocked to 2.8 GHZ), 4GB DDR2 800 and my trusty GTX 550 ti with Windows 7 64 bit for the operating system.
I still have a system running an x2 4200 o/c to 2.5 just for stability. I can push 2.7 but its sketch. 2mb l2 cache. Its paired with a 9800gtx+ & 4gb of ddr400 & a 320gb sata2. Fantastic xp machine.
ATI Radeon X850 XT
.............that was the first GPU I ever bought with my own money and installed on my PC!!! brings back memories. I love PC gaming so much. early 2006 was a great year for me
I have the Asus A8V my frist x64 build. Still good!
My first cpu bought for own money
RICH-KID :-P 3500+ here = better BANG for $ back then ;-)
@@dallesamllhals9161 Hehe, I can remember I saved money forever for this one
@@nymp1337 Well, my first(egne penge) was a K6 200MHz!
In early 2005; and the 3500+ instead of 4000+ = I was just being CHEAP/OLDER/SMARTER? ;-)
Hi Phil, awesome video as usual thank you so much.
I remember to bought an Athlon 3200 and a week later I change it to an Atlom X2 4400, one exceptional processor with 2mb cache witch you need to enable by twicking the windows registry.
This is better than MY MATE VINCE!
Bring the old outro song Phil! 🎶
Still have a 939 system kicking around, I upgraded it recently to an athlon from a sempron. I have been looking for the daughter board for that motherboard for a while but can't seem to find it, I was hoping to make a nice little project out of it see what it was capable of.
I miss the Sempron brand...
They were a decent cpu brand, I am just used to athlon's due to the 900 mhz athlon in my first computer.
As to using Ryzen coolers, one can also use AM2, AM3, AM3+, FM1 and FM2 coolers. They are all the same size and have somewhat similar cooling properties. I am currently using an Arctic Cooling Alpine AM4 (product number ACALP00025A) on a lightly overclocked Ryzen 5 1600 and it idles at 34C or so. BTW this model is listed as being for use on AM2, AM3 and AM4 for 95W TDP. It seems all Arctic coolers are very quiet as well.
Yea I've used Phenom II cooler with Ryzen and Ryzen coolers with S939 and others :)
Re low power consumption:
If you want to try undervolting the Athlon64 CPUs, try out RMCLOCK. You can significantly reduce the idle power draw on some CPUs by reducing the Vcore of the low power state. Some of the core revisions allow slowing down the CPU to 800MHz and Vcore settings down to 0.800V, those are the ones that can benefit the most.
To test stability, just set rmclock to lock the CPU in the experimental setting (so it doesn't throttle up) and run Prime95 to see if it's stable. Once you find the stable minimum voltage, bump it up slightly more to ensure it will be solid.
I've bought a AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ (Brisbane) recently for home PC for 8$ and it works great.
Back in that nice days i had a 3200+ sitting on an Abit AV8. Overclocked it to 2500MHz with Adata Vitesta DDR500 RAM. Kept my good old 9800pro in that system. Later swapped to GF7800GS and X2 3800+
I still have my first pc from 2006. It had a athlon 3000+ and 256 mb ram on an asus motherboard with integrated via s3 graphics
Very good motherboard!!! Dual agp and one pci Express... For the old times was a Monster!
Back in 2006 the first pc I built was a socket 939, used the opteron 185 (dual core), 2gb ram, and a nvidia 7600gt. So much performance for the money.
My favourite set up from back in the day. I had a 3500+ Winchester s939, and went with a Gainward Ultra/2400 6800 GLH. The X850 has surpassed the 6800 these days due to driver updates but I loved the rivalry between the 6800 and x800s back then. Need to get me another Winchester chip.
Fear was a great game back in the day, haven't played it since but it could really creep you out when playing at night with headphones on :D
I played it again recently, with both expansions. It still holds up SO well. IMHO more fun than many newer FPSs that came after. In fact FEAR came out around the time old school shooters basically disappeared. After that... ugh...
I had (in fact still have) the 3800+ which was the same speed but with only half the L2 cache. It cost less than half the price of the 4000+ at the time.
PC Games Hardare (German PC Magazine) used the Athlon 54 4000+ for benchmarking the PC games in 2005. It was the best CPU on this time but very expensive
I had the Athlon 64 x2 6000+ OC'ed to 3.2ghz, It was an epic little processor
I had one 5000+, OC to 3200Mhz very good at the time!
Still have, it's on a drawer with a MOBO with lots of failed capacitors...
My first CPU was an athlon 64 x2 4400+ and I was surprised at how well it ran some things despite being so old.
Try to install win10 and see how it works. Otherwise Nice video Phil. At that time i still had my p533, 256mb sdram 4200ti, win98.
Played Assassins Creed 3 with HD5450 at 720p. Had a great time with this processor back in the day and still have it 😍😍
I have fond memories of my 2.7GHz X2 5200+. I had it paired with 4GBs of RAM and a 640MB 8800GTS. It had a Windows 7/Windows XP dual boot set up on a 320GB Western Digital drive. I miss that old Athlon system. It would've been a great retro PC to keep around. Still have the 8800GTS though.
great videos.. it bring me my memories. i have same configuration in my house (with different brand ram, motherboard, vga)
NFS Most Wanted is one of my favs! NFS Carbon is another good one. The new NFSs have nothing on these older titles!
Back in the day (2004-2006) i rocked a really weird system, i had the first "official" P4 with HT, i think it was Northwood. That CPU also ran 800 MHz FSB, which made it a bit better than the first version (i think you reviewed the 3.06 GHz version).
I also rocked an ATI Radeon 9200, which was low end, but it beat the Intel GMA for quite a lot. Man, that system saw soo many games...
2006 ! what a year ! it was a great year for PC-Gaming ! i remember having my new fresh rig = Athlon64 3800+ / Geforce 7600GT / 1 Go RAM DDR 2/ MSi K9N Neo MB , replacing my old good PC = P4 ( 1st Gen) 2.6 Ghz / ASUS-Radeon 9600XT / 512 DDR RAM , it was lika day & night even though i really liked the ASUS9600XT it was so powerful but unfortunately no Shader Model 3.0 support !! i remember FEAR & BF2 trounced my old PC.
I remember my friend had one of the cheap athlon x2s that hit the silicon lottery.
We got it to 2.9(iirc) stable, sank way too many watts with all his cards so he set it to 2.5.
It was glorious, a 500mhz jump doesn't sound like much today nor even a 900mhz one, but 2006 it was night/day.