Very well done video, sir. Though AFAIK, the Sabre's LABS equipment was over-the-shoulder only, since I don't see a timer device or selectors for timed O/S or lofting...
To my knowledge there is no real way to determine that within the game. I am not sure if the manual will elaborate a bit more on how to find the release point though. So far my best advice would be to try to gain experience. Start off with fixed parameters (speed and altitude) and try and get a feel on how to aim the bombs.
Diego Menendez +Diego Menendez I do apologize. It is getting a bit late here... The other two modes also use the LABS but are pretty much completly diffrent. There, you would go ahead during your briefing, and have a look at the target you where engaging. Then you would draw a circle arround that target, in a distance determind by charts. This circle is the point where you pull up, and might be one or two nm away from the target. Then you would draw another circle, in the radius away from the first circle, which it takes to fly 30seconds at a given speed (say 400knots). This is the maximum time the timer can run. Now you would go ahead and look for a significant landmark in the area between the circles. This landmark will become your IP. Then you calculate how long it takes to get from the IP to the inner circle. This time is entered into the LABS before takeoff. Now, once you get towards the targetarea you want to be exactly on the speed you have been basing your calculations on, and you would go ahead and fly a straight line over the IP towards the target area. Once directly over the IP you will hold down your weapon release button, which will set of a timer. Then, when you get close to the inner circle, the system will show on the LABS indicator that you have to pull up. You fly the manuver it tells you to fly, and at a pitch of about 45° (this depends on the modes, they use diffrent release pitches) the bomb will come off, and you start to brake off and get away from the impact point. This video describes how it is done on the A4 (explaining it much better than I can in text): Nuclear War: "Delivery of Atomic Weapons by Light Carrier Aircraft" 1959 US Navy Training Film My testing showed that the first two modes are available, however, I, due to the lack of available manuals and documentation, haven't been able to find a way how to calculate and programm those timings necessary for the LABS.
Is there any way to use auto release, or say selecting your target with the pipper like the F-4? I'd love to be able to pickle and hold when my pipper is on the target, pull up, and the bombs come off at the right time.
Diego Menendez No, I don't think there is such a mode available in the F-86 unfortunatly. It would be really nice to have such a thing, but I just think we are a few years to early for such fancy stuff...
Great work! Very clear presentation! Will you be able to give a talk about the other LABS modes? Also, where did you get your information about the Belsimtek implementation of LABS in this module? Is there a place to read about using it? I can't find a manual for LABS as done in DCS.
Unfortunatly there is no proper documentation available yet. The information I got mostly from this video: Nuclear War: "Delivery of Atomic Weapons by Light Carrier Aircraft" 1959 US Navy Training Film This shows the diffrent release modes. The rest was a lot of try and error to figure out. I couldn't find a way yet two use the first two modes. At least one of them seems to be implemented, however I can't figure out how to use it. Once proper documentation becomes available, I will do another video showing the other mode(s).
xxJohnxx There is precious little info about the actual usage of LABS (in toss mode) on the internet that I can find. The navy video didn't really clarify how the computer knows exactly where the target is supposed to be. The LABS theory is quite clear. Obviously if you knew the velocity and release angle of the device you can predict where it will impact, or work backwards to find where to release it. You (the release computer) also need to know how high you are above the target I think when the device is released.
I searched everywhere for RN-24 Tactical Nuke and it seems like only the Mig21 will have it available ???? I wanted to mess around with it and did not see it for the sabre in the quick mission ??? Thanks
ctguy1955 Yes, there aren't any nuclear weapons available for the F-86, as the developer opted against it. I dropped conventional bombs in the video that work the same way, but obviously don't have the same explosive radius as a nuclear weapon.
Thank You John, I guess I will just have to wait for the Mig21 to go on sale, as I think its the only one that does have a nuke. Ive heard that many MP sites dont allow it, but it would just be awesome to drop one on a air field. Thanks Bro !!!
Glad you like it! English beeing a second language makes it allways a bit more difficult. For the NDB Navigation video I had about 150 takes for the first 5 minutes of the video, just to get my pronaunciation somewhat right. :D
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You, good Sir, just got featured on ED's facebook page with this vid! :)
Thanks for letting me know! That was very unexpected. :)
I'd love to hear the LABS designer's opinion of modern dive toss delivery modes...
Great tutorials John, thanks! Would love to see one on air to air weapon employments.
I followed you're instructions and they work perfectly, (after some practice). Thanks.
A very primitive version of D-TOSS without the aid of a computer.
Cool to see it how it was done in the "good old days".
Very well done video, sir. Though AFAIK, the Sabre's LABS equipment was over-the-shoulder only, since I don't see a timer device or selectors for timed O/S or lofting...
+Kyle Tekaucic Thanks for the feedback! Yeah, indeed! Got some confusing info back at the time I recorded this video!
Hi Guys!
Anyone know how we aim the impact point?
Or you juste evaluate the distance: Target to plane...
To my knowledge there is no real way to determine that within the game. I am not sure if the manual will elaborate a bit more on how to find the release point though.
So far my best advice would be to try to gain experience. Start off with fixed parameters (speed and altitude) and try and get a feel on how to aim the bombs.
Thanks for your quick answers buddy!
And nice and clear video by the way!
What are the other two modes? I'd love to try them.
It is the DCS UH-1H and the DCS Mi-8MTVII. I love both of them, though the Mi-8 is still in beta (as is the Sabre).
Modes, not models.
Diego Menendez
+Diego Menendez I do apologize. It is getting a bit late here...
The other two modes also use the LABS but are pretty much completly diffrent.
There, you would go ahead during your briefing, and have a look at the target you where engaging. Then you would draw a circle arround that target, in a distance determind by charts. This circle is the point where you pull up, and might be one or two nm away from the target.
Then you would draw another circle, in the radius away from the first circle, which it takes to fly 30seconds at a given speed (say 400knots). This is the maximum time the timer can run.
Now you would go ahead and look for a significant landmark in the area between the circles. This landmark will become your IP. Then you calculate how long it takes to get from the IP to the inner circle. This time is entered into the LABS before takeoff.
Now, once you get towards the targetarea you want to be exactly on the speed you have been basing your calculations on, and you would go ahead and fly a straight line over the IP towards the target area. Once directly over the IP you will hold down your weapon release button, which will set of a timer.
Then, when you get close to the inner circle, the system will show on the LABS indicator that you have to pull up. You fly the manuver it tells you to fly, and at a pitch of about 45° (this depends on the modes, they use diffrent release pitches) the bomb will come off, and you start to brake off and get away from the impact point.
This video describes how it is done on the A4 (explaining it much better than I can in text): Nuclear War: "Delivery of Atomic Weapons by Light Carrier Aircraft" 1959 US Navy Training Film
My testing showed that the first two modes are available, however, I, due to the lack of available manuals and documentation, haven't been able to find a way how to calculate and programm those timings necessary for the LABS.
Is there any way to use auto release, or say selecting your target with the pipper like the F-4? I'd love to be able to pickle and hold when my pipper is on the target, pull up, and the bombs come off at the right time.
Diego Menendez
No, I don't think there is such a mode available in the F-86 unfortunatly.
It would be really nice to have such a thing, but I just think we are a few years to early for such fancy stuff...
Thank you man! Wonderful info, clear presentation. Great stuff. Keep it up :)
Thnks for the tutorial... Much needed
Nice vid, clear presentation. Keep it up.
Did you hit the bomb release button or do they come off automatically?
You have to hold down the bomb release button during the whole procedure.
Great work! Very clear presentation! Will you be able to give a talk about the other LABS modes? Also, where did you get your information about the Belsimtek implementation of LABS in this module? Is there a place to read about using it? I can't find a manual for LABS as done in DCS.
Unfortunatly there is no proper documentation available yet. The information I got mostly from this video:
Nuclear War: "Delivery of Atomic Weapons by Light Carrier Aircraft" 1959 US Navy Training Film
This shows the diffrent release modes. The rest was a lot of try and error to figure out. I couldn't find a way yet two use the first two modes. At least one of them seems to be implemented, however I can't figure out how to use it.
Once proper documentation becomes available, I will do another video showing the other mode(s).
xxJohnxx There is precious little info about the actual usage of LABS (in toss mode) on the internet that I can find. The navy video didn't really clarify how the computer knows exactly where the target is supposed to be. The LABS theory is quite clear. Obviously if you knew the velocity and release angle of the device you can predict where it will impact, or work backwards to find where to release it. You (the release computer) also need to know how high you are above the target I think when the device is released.
I searched everywhere for RN-24 Tactical Nuke and it seems like only
the Mig21 will have it available ???? I wanted to mess around with it
and did not see it for the sabre in the quick mission ??? Thanks
ctguy1955 Yes, there aren't any nuclear weapons available for the F-86, as the developer opted against it. I dropped conventional bombs in the video that work the same way, but obviously don't have the same explosive radius as a nuclear weapon.
Thank You John, I guess I will just have to wait for the Mig21 to go on sale, as I think its the only one that does have a nuke. Ive heard that many MP sites dont allow it, but it would just be awesome to drop one on a air field.
Thanks Bro !!!
This is nicely described! You have good English, too.
Glad you like it! English beeing a second language makes it allways a bit more difficult.
For the NDB Navigation video I had about 150 takes for the first 5 minutes of the video, just to get my pronaunciation somewhat right. :D
Dude u rock
Thanks, you too! :)