Pretty on par for Hades, was also true in the first one. The fact that the best shield build involves spamming uber-buffed dash strike says a lot about defense and offense in Hades lol
What, where does your dash strike assumption come from??... the best shield builds were arguably either zeus shield with zeus special stacking...(beat the highest heat) or beowulf with mirage shot (fastest speedrun)... Agreed that dps boss down before that they can hurt you too bad is the best idea def.
“As for your brother, I found him to be quite amusing. How interesting that offspring can be so dissimilar.” -Chaos, 5:52 Excellent writing consistent with the character of Chaos. (and hilarious) They don’t even understand nor would they likely care that their words might offend; they just like making observations.
@@thomasb5307 I think it's more because Zag was more, you know, chaotic. Mel is very "by the book", she looks much more like her father than Zag who looks more like his mother. I found that characterization amazing
As the chat said you can completely ignore the hecate morph spell if you have frinos with you, he eats the projectile if you angle the projectile to hit him; hecate even has a line that says "that blasted toad!" when that happens!
Have you seen that if you go to the South corner of the stage after Scylla and the sirens, you tell a shade the show is over? It's like the opposite of the fan shade in the heroes fight
It can be dodged too, with either daze or regular dodge (Daze counts as dodge added on top of your normal dodge, but for that specific enemy) Very possible to hit 100% dodge chance because of daze.
I feel like Chronos sometimes gets really crazy out of nowhere, it happened here and I've had it happen too, he just starts swinging his scythe at the speed of sound and flying all over the arena with his dash over and over. Have lost a couple runs on that crap.
@@ThePoodle Oh I'll clarify, the amount of dashes is not what I mean, the triple dash move is normal. I mean that he starts spamming moves at an abnormal rate, mixing slashes and dashes randomly at a seemingly unavoidable speed.
@@axllow3914 Yeah, I've noticed that too. I think he gets really aggressive during the latter half of the first phase if he feels like he can get away with it.
@JamesCastle-vd1lc He is exceptional, I had the exact same reaction to his second phase as I did to Hades' second phase back in the first game. "Wait, THERE'S MORE? BUT IT TOOK EVERYTHING I HAD TO GET THIS FAR"
It is a three god pool per run, with the caveat that you can open up a fourth god option if you get the thing from Echo to give you a boon from the night before and it's from a god you didn't have this run.
@@abra_escaped Yeah, you can force it with keepsakes, if you play it right you should be able to get up to 7, 3 in first area (first boon keepsake doesn't matter since the first one will count towards the max of 3), 3 from oceanus, fields and tartarus keepsakes and 1 extra from echo if you get really lucky
You gotta go back and watch your mana bar after getting fixed gain. It did so much work and def under-rated. You can also see its downfall in certain parts of the chronos fight
I personally play Artemis blades w/o sorceress because the slowdown doesn’t impact the timer. It allows for safer play but waiting for an enemies attack to slowly come out can waste a lot of time.
Something interesting I found out when playing with Demeter is that her cast and her sprint are 2 different types of "freeze" and it actually activated P. Status [I forgot what it's called]
I recommend the Discordant Bell in one of these big damage runs. Every encounter you complete, you take more damage but do equally more damage, and it applies to *all* damage, after every other modifier except crit. If you don't have it yet, gift Eris. It's very powerful for Surface runs. Also the blades omega always puts you behind your target based on where you are, essentially just beyond them, so to properly use it and always backstab you want them to be facing you before you use it.
If you channel Omega Attack and then dodge while channeling, you will channel again immediately after the dodge, which also resets the slowdown. You can gain essentially infinite slowdown. It does burn the timer a ton tho
@@quintengames3576 Yeah the difficulty spike of Chronos seems too drastic to me. If Chronos is considered a 10 in difficulty, I think the other bosses would be in the 3-5 range. He has walled so many of my 32 fear runs. Such is the nature of the beast I suppose.
Hey hal, a crazy build u can try with torches is hera special on mel aspect with p status (preferably apollo dash), u just omega spam and sprint all over . Got me my fastest clear so far and insanely fun
You can easily trigger reposte in the 3rd and 4th floor. In the 3rd you can just run into thorns and in the 4th you can walk into traps And the posidon boon for bonus dmg in the first 10 seconds of EACH encounter and not location, meaning it triggers on each fight in the 3rd floor Btw. Did you try to pause in the chronus fights? (: there is a nice flavir interaction!
For the Chaos curse that hits you for 500 after 120 seconds, armor is actually enough to save you - it follows the same rules for Melinoe as it does for enemies, so damage in excess of armor is just wasted. Now I'm wondering if you can parry it, because if it's actually just doing damage that should work, right? EDIT: Ah, your chat got to it a couple minutes later. Still curious to know whether you can parry Chaos, though. I wonder if there's a voice line for it? I wouldn't put it past SGG.
Maybe it's just personal preference or because of the timer he's playing with, but I don't get the strong aversion to Demeter's magick regen boon. Standing still for 1 second seems like a very minor hoop to jump through to get most of your magick back, although it does interrupt the flow a bit
I think it’s really funny how he said it’ll take a month or two for someone to do a fresh file run, and a video of that was uploaded a day ago by a user named Museus !
The game feels really really good. But I do feel like there’s too much “Thanatos style” in this one there’s the Eris basically forcing you to not be able to progress to the next level. Then there’s nemesis who just don’t like Mel and have to show up very very often. While things like Artemis, which imo was pretty significant in the first game. Doesn’t really show up.
Nemesis showing up once or twice a run is a bit much to my taste considering it's an "event" of sorts and often at a time of not having a build going yet and you're pretty much bound to lose 100 bucks to her. Eris is fine-ish it's just annoying when i am 10% away from beating cronos and i died because i had the extra damage on me from eris. didn't say artemis is different from play test. she's different from the first game where crit is a pretty significant part in doing a lot of damage really quickly. She only shows up every couple runs now which basically means there's no planning for getting crit related stuff going like the first game.
@@ThePoodle guess I just suck at killing stuff without any boon or hammer idk. Also I don’t mind things being different like Artemis being a random event rather than a god with boons. It just bums me that she shows up a lot less than the other people that’s trying to sabotage the run. Maybe that’s just me tho.
@@ThePoodle they do get pretty boring. As for being varied… idk if I would say that she basically always show up is not really varied? Had it been like more different people showing up. Some like Artemis helping us some like nemesis trying to sabotage that would be fine. The areas rn are already unique enough to me considering how they are structured. Especially the third and fourth biome.
@@ThePoodle don’t think I’ve seen the take a hit one. But I’ve seen the other ones and the one that bothers me the most is the competing one. Sometimes the 1000 dmg is a bit annoying but that hasn’t been that much problem for me so far.
I had today my best build ever. aspect of pan and lvl 10 heroic aphrodite special +410% dmg and hera poseidon duo boon so that means +110% dmg xDDD. 4k dmg on Chronos, not bad ig
@@dnys_7827 I can confirm that the Chaos punishment does NOT ignore armor: getting hit with the 500 while you have armor destroys your armor but leaves you otherwise unharmed.
yes, but more specifically it also requires you to have every god keepsake as well (something i didn't know until about four or five chronos defeats in)
Hephaestus mana regen is the best in the game. Don't take damage? Congrats, you're winning the game. Take damage? Well you took 10% less, also your mana bar is filled back up. Only downside is for speedrunners, but they're less than 1% of the player base.
@@raynecoleman8817 It's from Aphrodite. % of life loss healed to full depends on rarity. normal = you need at least 80% for a full heal, blue = 70% and purple = 60%. it's really strong. Aphrodite is the best god imo. Strongest damage boost for your attacks and specials in most cases and provides the best survivability.
I try Chronos on a vow of fury 40% and I think sometimes the attack hits you even in dodge. Like every time i channel omega and time is slower, Chronos just don't care. I managed to kill him whit daggers but I dont know how to finish 32 fear for last statue.
The one interaction I've found with Hephaestus magick regen that isn't utterly terrible is with Demeter's infusion that caps all incoming dmg at like... 15, I think? But even then you want a massive HP pool to be able to use it. It almost feels like this is something that was put in for people who want to play game for story in god mode?
I think it comes from the fact that most people don't know that you have to play around spamming specials, so they pick up the weapon, see that the attack is terrible, and then they assume it's an awful weapon. Honestly I was in the same boat aswell, and even now that I know how to play it I still think it's by far the most boring weapon even tho powerwise it is ok
@@thomasb5307 I don’t think the attack is terrible, ideally you should use both specials and attack together, because you want to be able to stagger enemies. Special is definitely better though
@@solidpython4964 Maybe but the idea is that spamming the special is not an obvious playstyle so a lot of people tend to believe the weapon is horrible.
@@solidpython4964 You have to put yourself in the shoes of someone who starts the game and tries torch for a bit, but also doesn't know which boon is strong. You see torch special does an average 30 damage per hit with no knockback and a low range, it doesn't immediatly strike as a powerful move unless you already know poseidon technique is also OP.
Hey did you see my comment on your last video you are litteraly doing almost the exact build I do except I use Apollo and Hephaestus for the big range backstab
if u had the demeter boon that makes your omega attack deal more damage u would beable to RIP through enemies espicaly if have a to of mana cause it only adds 10 mana to the attack
Does anyone know if Supergiant intend to release updates to the early access as stuff gets finished? (i.e. The last weapon, final aspect on each weapon, finished surface, etc.)
Hades 2 really stresses that the best survivability is just more DPS.
Because the boss cannot damage you if they are only alive for 6-10 seconds.
best defense is a really good offense
Aspect of Thanatos be like:
Pretty on par for Hades, was also true in the first one. The fact that the best shield build involves spamming uber-buffed dash strike says a lot about defense and offense in Hades lol
What, where does your dash strike assumption come from??... the best shield builds were arguably either zeus shield with zeus special stacking...(beat the highest heat) or beowulf with mirage shot (fastest speedrun)...
Agreed that dps boss down before that they can hurt you too bad is the best idea def.
@@ATXnomad698which shield build was the one that used dash strikes?
I love that Chaos just burns Melinoe unprompted lol
Chaos >
“As for your brother, I found him to be quite amusing. How interesting that offspring can be so dissimilar.” -Chaos, 5:52
Excellent writing consistent with the character of Chaos. (and hilarious) They don’t even understand nor would they likely care that their words might offend; they just like making observations.
@@holynder3181 the character design looks crazy as well
@@holynder3181 Chaos is right though, Melinoe is badass but Zag was just a lot more likeable and funny
@@thomasb5307 I think it's more because Zag was more, you know, chaotic. Mel is very "by the book", she looks much more like her father than Zag who looks more like his mother. I found that characterization amazing
As the chat said you can completely ignore the hecate morph spell if you have frinos with you, he eats the projectile if you angle the projectile to hit him; hecate even has a line that says "that blasted toad!" when that happens!
Huh
another voiceline could be "that was meant for you!"
@shanedrawsart5631 yep you're absolutely correct!
yes everyone knows. he even says so in the video and in every other video aswell. but apparently it needs to keep getitng mentioned lol.
@JamesCastle-vd1lc since the projectile tracks you just run to wherever frinos is and stand behind him
37:14 normally I don't care for trials but Aphro vs Hephaestus? That's a spicy duo to see what lines they say when they get mad LOL
Have you seen that if you go to the South corner of the stage after Scylla and the sirens, you tell a shade the show is over? It's like the opposite of the fan shade in the heroes fight
WAT
If you didn't know, aspect of Artemis can parry Chronos' instant kill attack, trivializing a good bit of the latter half of his fight
It can be dodged too, with either daze or regular dodge (Daze counts as dodge added on top of your normal dodge, but for that specific enemy) Very possible to hit 100% dodge chance because of daze.
@@DillonMeyer Daze and Dodge additive to a 100% sounds rly rly funny lmao
I feel like Chronos sometimes gets really crazy out of nowhere, it happened here and I've had it happen too, he just starts swinging his scythe at the speed of sound and flying all over the arena with his dash over and over. Have lost a couple runs on that crap.
i’m pretty sure that’s just his second phase of his first healthbar, could be wrong though
@@cameron5892 Idk, haven't noticed a pattern yet
@@ThePoodle Oh I'll clarify, the amount of dashes is not what I mean, the triple dash move is normal. I mean that he starts spamming moves at an abnormal rate, mixing slashes and dashes randomly at a seemingly unavoidable speed.
@@axllow3914 Yeah, I've noticed that too. I think he gets really aggressive during the latter half of the first phase if he feels like he can get away with it.
@JamesCastle-vd1lc He is exceptional, I had the exact same reaction to his second phase as I did to Hades' second phase back in the first game. "Wait, THERE'S MORE? BUT IT TOOK EVERYTHING I HAD TO GET THIS FAR"
It is a three god pool per run, with the caveat that you can open up a fourth god option if you get the thing from Echo to give you a boon from the night before and it's from a god you didn't have this run.
I bet the keepsakes can also be used to get more than the usual limit, I know it was possible in Hades 1
@@abra_escaped Yeah, you can force it with keepsakes, if you play it right you should be able to get up to 7, 3 in first area (first boon keepsake doesn't matter since the first one will count towards the max of 3), 3 from oceanus, fields and tartarus keepsakes and 1 extra from echo if you get really lucky
You gotta go back and watch your mana bar after getting fixed gain. It did so much work and def under-rated. You can also see its downfall in certain parts of the chronos fight
I personally play Artemis blades w/o sorceress because the slowdown doesn’t impact the timer. It allows for safer play but waiting for an enemies attack to slowly come out can waste a lot of time.
Something interesting I found out when playing with Demeter is that her cast and her sprint are 2 different types of "freeze" and it actually activated P. Status [I forgot what it's called]
Cyclone is a different status for some reason
@@DesertBoxTurtle yeah and also with aspect of Artemis, you can block/parry ANY attack, I used it on Chonos' instakill and it worked
@@EleeExe damn, gotta try that one
I recommend the Discordant Bell in one of these big damage runs. Every encounter you complete, you take more damage but do equally more damage, and it applies to *all* damage, after every other modifier except crit. If you don't have it yet, gift Eris. It's very powerful for Surface runs.
Also the blades omega always puts you behind your target based on where you are, essentially just beyond them, so to properly use it and always backstab you want them to be facing you before you use it.
Even out of mana you can trigger the blocking shield for riposte.
If you channel Omega Attack and then dodge while channeling, you will channel again immediately after the dodge, which also resets the slowdown. You can gain essentially infinite slowdown. It does burn the timer a ton tho
I only ever use it for repositioning for that matter, like getting a smidge closer to target and enemy with knives
I don't know if you know this, but you can use the frog to block the transmutation spell from Hecate.
10:52
Not worth tbh I don’t want froggy turning into a sheep
This is my favorite new Aspect by far. Trying out different builds, attempting to get a 32 fear clear with it.
Yah... I'm stuck on the 32 fear clear, I've come close (chronos at 15% hp) but damn those runs are hard.
@@quintengames3576 Yeah the difficulty spike of Chronos seems too drastic to me. If Chronos is considered a 10 in difficulty, I think the other bosses would be in the 3-5 range. He has walled so many of my 32 fear runs. Such is the nature of the beast I suppose.
omg i just tried this aspect for the first time and did terribly i’m so glad there’s a video now to see how the pro does it 🙏
Alot of the "melee" builds really do well to have the Aphrodite close attack boons. Otherwise it just feels flat
Seeing you almost die males me feel better for all my failed attempts so far :D Good clutch at the end!
Hey hal, a crazy build u can try with torches is hera special on mel aspect with p status (preferably apollo dash), u just omega spam and sprint all over . Got me my fastest clear so far and insanely fun
You can easily trigger reposte in the 3rd and 4th floor.
In the 3rd you can just run into thorns and in the 4th you can walk into traps
And the posidon boon for bonus dmg in the first 10 seconds of EACH encounter and not location, meaning it triggers on each fight in the 3rd floor
Btw. Did you try to pause in the chronus fights? (: there is a nice flavir interaction!
For the Chaos curse that hits you for 500 after 120 seconds, armor is actually enough to save you - it follows the same rules for Melinoe as it does for enemies, so damage in excess of armor is just wasted. Now I'm wondering if you can parry it, because if it's actually just doing damage that should work, right?
EDIT: Ah, your chat got to it a couple minutes later. Still curious to know whether you can parry Chaos, though. I wonder if there's a voice line for it? I wouldn't put it past SGG.
I did this too but with Aphro, Apollo and Demeter.
Aphro Specials
Apollo Backstab
Demeter Omega Attack Damage Increase.
Would love confirmation on god pool size
Might just need to play a couple of runs without a god keepsake and keep track to be sure :P
Maybe it's just personal preference or because of the timer he's playing with, but I don't get the strong aversion to Demeter's magick regen boon. Standing still for 1 second seems like a very minor hoop to jump through to get most of your magick back, although it does interrupt the flow a bit
It's one that I think is actually good but I just don't like the idea behind it.
I think it’s really funny how he said it’ll take a month or two for someone to do a fresh file run, and a video of that was uploaded a day ago by a user named Museus !
I assume the user meant a first run, Museus' run takes a 4 intentional deaths at the start.
This aspect needs a qol update prioritizing riposte rather than dodge
thank you for showing the load out ma boiii
You brought up there is a 3 god pool for runs. That would mean we get 1 less god per run? Is there any source for this?
I have 53 hours in Hades 2 already 👀
me too lmao my exams ended the day it was released
I almost feel like you don't want sorceress with Artemis, makes parrying feel somewhat akward
Aspect of Artemis is my fav weapon tbh.
Probably play it like trash, I gotta see how a professional does it.
Had a sudden epiphany… parry the chaos damage from doomed mind? It probably doesn’t work but what if right?
Dude you should press right click on god/goddess boon when you add his/her artifact it will increase the reality
My keepsake wasn't rank 3, it wouldn't work.
How many times do yiu need to kill Chronos to progress in the plot? Or it's not possible in the technical test?
Not possible in early access unfortunately. Probably we won't see any updates to that for at least a year, and likely longer.
The game feels really really good. But I do feel like there’s too much “Thanatos style” in this one there’s the Eris basically forcing you to not be able to progress to the next level. Then there’s nemesis who just don’t like Mel and have to show up very very often. While things like Artemis, which imo was pretty significant in the first game. Doesn’t really show up.
Nemesis showing up once or twice a run is a bit much to my taste considering it's an "event" of sorts and often at a time of not having a build going yet and you're pretty much bound to lose 100 bucks to her. Eris is fine-ish it's just annoying when i am 10% away from beating cronos and i died because i had the extra damage on me from eris. didn't say artemis is different from play test. she's different from the first game where crit is a pretty significant part in doing a lot of damage really quickly. She only shows up every couple runs now which basically means there's no planning for getting crit related stuff going like the first game.
@@ThePoodle guess I just suck at killing stuff without any boon or hammer idk. Also I don’t mind things being different like Artemis being a random event rather than a god with boons. It just bums me that she shows up a lot less than the other people that’s trying to sabotage the run. Maybe that’s just me tho.
@@ThePoodle they do get pretty boring. As for being varied… idk if I would say that she basically always show up is not really varied? Had it been like more different people showing up. Some like Artemis helping us some like nemesis trying to sabotage that would be fine. The areas rn are already unique enough to me considering how they are structured. Especially the third and fourth biome.
@@ThePoodle don’t think I’ve seen the take a hit one. But I’ve seen the other ones and the one that bothers me the most is the competing one. Sometimes the 1000 dmg is a bit annoying but that hasn’t been that much problem for me so far.
@@ThePoodle what? That’s new. If there’s more variations or maybe if it gets better as we progress affirmations and such 🤔
I had today my best build ever. aspect of pan and lvl 10 heroic aphrodite special +410% dmg and hera poseidon duo boon so that means +110% dmg xDDD. 4k dmg on Chronos, not bad ig
Is the riposte from omega attack a 360 degree block?
I think so
Where can u see all the gods boons? Cant seem to find it unless its an incantation i haven´t unlocked yet
I think you need to gift each of the gods for the incantation to appear.
@@Haelian Ah, thanks :)
would the chaos not have hit the armor instead? or does it just ignore armor?
Chaos ignores armor
@@silent_hrafn7649makes sense, altho it would be neat if it didnt, would be a neat interaction.
No, there's armor gating, and chaos doesn't ignore it, debuff would've eaten the shield, but not killed him.
@@dnys_7827 I can confirm that the Chaos punishment does NOT ignore armor: getting hit with the 500 while you have armor destroys your armor but leaves you otherwise unharmed.
(Spoiler) You unlock the boons list after defeating Chronos and Eris. Then the incantation for it will show up
yes, but more specifically it also requires you to have every god keepsake as well (something i didn't know until about four or five chronos defeats in)
Hephaestus mana regen is the best in the game.
Don't take damage? Congrats, you're winning the game.
Take damage? Well you took 10% less, also your mana bar is filled back up.
Only downside is for speedrunners, but they're less than 1% of the player base.
Kinda funny since Aphrodite boon increase dmg if your HP are above a certain threshold. A couple with no synergy.
@@TemmieMinhAphrodite cheats on him all the time with Ares and they're barely ever together, so that makes sense
here's the real question re: runes:
what's gonna be the equivalent of hades 1 exposed?...
artemis daggers are wayyyy too busted
Try pausing during the second phase of Chronos 🎉
how can you heal for 26 after each location ?? i need to know im 32 hours deep and still oculdnt beat chronos
That was only from a Charon well buff. There is a boon that heals you to full if you are above 70(depending on rarity/pom) from I believe Apollo
@@raynecoleman8817 It's from Aphrodite. % of life loss healed to full depends on rarity. normal = you need at least 80% for a full heal, blue = 70% and purple = 60%. it's really strong. Aphrodite is the best god imo. Strongest damage boost for your attacks and specials in most cases and provides the best survivability.
I try Chronos on a vow of fury 40% and I think sometimes the attack hits you even in dodge. Like every time i channel omega and time is slower, Chronos just don't care.
I managed to kill him whit daggers but I dont know how to finish 32 fear for last statue.
I think chronos just ignores time slows in general.
Are you @solodoublej brother?
Kill Chronos, then revive him to fight for you.
i want artemis to dump tjousands of damage all over me
can you riposte the chaos damage ?
*parry
try a run using icarus keepsake 🙏
The one interaction I've found with Hephaestus magick regen that isn't utterly terrible is with Demeter's infusion that caps all incoming dmg at like... 15, I think? But even then you want a massive HP pool to be able to use it. It almost feels like this is something that was put in for people who want to play game for story in god mode?
I don't get the torch hate, it's not great but it's perfectly fine imo
I think it comes from the fact that most people don't know that you have to play around spamming specials, so they pick up the weapon, see that the attack is terrible, and then they assume it's an awful weapon.
Honestly I was in the same boat aswell, and even now that I know how to play it I still think it's by far the most boring weapon even tho powerwise it is ok
@@thomasb5307 I don’t think the attack is terrible, ideally you should use both specials and attack together, because you want to be able to stagger enemies. Special is definitely better though
@@solidpython4964 Maybe but the idea is that spamming the special is not an obvious playstyle so a lot of people tend to believe the weapon is horrible.
@@thomasb5307 a lot of weapons spam the special, though maybe this is my hades 1 gyanyu spear brain activating
@@solidpython4964 You have to put yourself in the shoes of someone who starts the game and tries torch for a bit, but also doesn't know which boon is strong.
You see torch special does an average 30 damage per hit with no knockback and a low range, it doesn't immediatly strike as a powerful move unless you already know poseidon technique is also OP.
you could probably just reposte the 500 damage from chaos
i was wondering if this is possible, ill need to try it out when i can play again ;-;
Hey did you see my comment on your last video you are litteraly doing almost the exact build I do except I use Apollo and Hephaestus for the big range backstab
if u had the demeter boon that makes your omega attack deal more damage u would beable to RIP through enemies espicaly if have a to of mana cause it only adds 10 mana to the attack
he had that in this run
you call it tony
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Does anyone know if Supergiant intend to release updates to the early access as stuff gets finished? (i.e. The last weapon, final aspect on each weapon, finished surface, etc.)
it says when u open their roadmap ingame therell be an update later this year, which im assuming is before 1.0 update.
Please someone tell him you can have your pet to tank the sheep spell, you dont have to dodge for hours
I know, relaaaaax
can you make shorter videos, regarding builds and mechanics/tips about the wep or gameplay?
videos which are out there, are way too long to watch.
I just published one yesterday.
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