The euro/stealth bomber copy is definitely the cheaper route to a pure speed road/dirt trail machine 👍 A cheap second hand set of spring rockshox/fox /marzochi is the way to go if the Chinese air fork fails 👍
Beware I hear kke is like the dmn forks, they end up locking up after a while, some people say DNM stands for "do not move" lol I guess you could probably do some maintenance to get them to free up. There is no free lunch when it comes to suspension that's why RockShox and fox are so expensive
I got a 5kW version. The few problems i have is that the controller got a hardwired throttle delay. At 50km/h it takes a solid second to react from no to full throttle. It's less bad at slower speeds. I have to keep the throttle turned a little bit to avoid the delay. The stock Zoom front forks were completely stuck when i got the bike. But after adding some silicone oil to the seals and jumping on the bike to bottom-out the forks they began loosening up. So i have to give it silicone oil here and there to keep the forks oiled and somewhat working. They still doesn't completely lift after hitting the front brake hard. Idk if 5kW is too much for the spokes on the rear wheel, because they begin clicking after a couple of hard pulls and wheelies. So i have to retension the spokes every time i ride a bit harder than normal city commuting.
I would go through the settings in the controller and check to see if there's something causing a delay I have screenshots of mine in the so you can compare. As far as the spoke issue that sounds like you have bicycle and not motorcycle wheels so that could be an issue until you make that upgrade.
@@samjohnson517 I sadly got the SW900 display, so it's very basic and by some reason the settings P09-12 doesn't exist, where P09 is a throttle delay... And seller can't explain why they're not there. Yes, i got the bicycle spokes, idk if it's possible to even change the spokes with a hub motor. Might have to look into that since i also want to change the wheel diameter from 26' to mabye a 20'.
Hi came across your video love it ☺️ very informative and straight forward so am looking to build where do you find all these cool bike supply places I look and it's never ending plz adv thank you again for the informative video
Great Video Sam! I had the Zoom forks and they work ok especially if you are on the light side. If you are over 200lbs I'd say don't even bother with them. If on a budget buy a used set of DNM Volcano forks off a Surron owner on the cheap. I upgraded to new KKE fork and it was well worth it. Of course if on a budget the Zooms will work. If over 200 lbs also get a 750lb rear coil. People should keep in mind that the Sabvoton 72200 is larger than the 150 and make sure they have space for it. I just got my K-Weld and will eventually build a P42 based battery pack. Thanks again Sam for all the good info!
@@eastwood111 I think I've gotten good info from you on Endless Sphere for my Enduro EEB build! I now have a 3.5T and a 5T QS205 with a Sab 72150. love the Torque of the 5T but also love the top speed of the 3.5T . I may need two E-bikes LOL
@@718og any other forks you recommend? I’m 205lbs 6’2. Ordered my frame, motor kit, front wheel so far. I was gonna get zoom forks cause I’m doing 95% road use but wanna try some trails in the future. For my rear suspension I was going to get 240mm 550 lbs rcp2s
Hi , quick question, I know you said you yourself wouldn't bother with the 12000watt hub motor but say you did would you have any problems fitting that size motor in the swingarm of that bomber stile frame . Why I ask I have a genuine stealth bomber that I use pretty hard core off road and I've always though about going all out and fitting such a large hub motor as a 12000watter and then boosting that up to 17000watts for use in short bursts in combination with the right controller and the biggest battery the bomber frame can fit inside of it .
Hello it would be really hard for me to recommend someone when I haven't actually bought from them, but check out vector e-bikes and Enduro e-bikes they seem like they get pretty good reviews and don't forget the original stealth bomber in Australia.
I got one of these 12000w enduro ebikes recently thanks to videos of yours and others. Can I ask is it normal for them to not draw the stated 12000w? The most I've seen was around 5400w (64A x 84V) Is that just how they are or did I get a bad one?
@@samjohnson517 Thanks for the reply. It has a sabvoton 150A and 72v 40ah LG cells. I guess the 12000w claimed power was overly optimistic for this battery and there's not much I can do but upgrade it?
@@pauls464 no you don't want to go messing with the battery for safety reasons but everything else sounds good on the bike, I think you just need to find a battery that has a 150 amp continuous rating
What’s the weight total? Would you make some jumps with it like a surron or a mtb on a track ? (Would the battery move crazy in there which that would put it at risk?) Do you think it would fit in a car instead of a rack? Thanks ahead for the answers! I got pretty much the same (ss10) which is the equivalent of a stealth bomber or cheetah-top ; whatever the names are there on aliB.
Hello I never weigh it but I'm going to guess around 200 lb, as far as jumping I did that and I ended up damaging the frame had to have it welded, my battery is in pretty good I have a tie down strap and plenty of foam so I don't think that's an issue. I don't think it would fit in a car it does fit in a minivan though.
@@samjohnson517 appreciate your insights there! Usually not the type of answers we find out there on YT. Can you elaborate on the jumps you’ve done and why it damaged the frame? I’m afraid I’ll have plenty of issues after going off roads and to pump track to have some fun with it. I mean I hope it’s not only good for speeding on the roads! May I ask as well what straps/setup you use to make sure nothing moves in the frame? Thanks bud
@@clementd.8501 Hello I explained the damage in this video here ua-cam.com/video/HZ7lAXzMLag/v-deo.html And as far as the strap look for a video of mine called Enduro update I show the strap in that video
@@samjohnson517 ok 👍🏼 rewatched your vid and seems like you spoke about the suspension that hit the frame and cracked a bit at the bottom because you made it too tight. I thought it was a problem related to the battery moving in the frame while making jumps that got me scared. I’ll rewatch the video about the straps.
Thanks a lot for your valuable information. My question is, is there two options on the qs205 3000w and 5000w or is just advertising? I know there is a 3t,4t, and 5t
I have seen that too I am not sure, the onyx appears to have a qs205 it' is marked 72v3000. I am not sure if that is part of the serial number or if it is a 3000w. Motor.
@@Luicovarrubias I can't answer that one because I don't have any experience with those type of motors. All I can say is the qs205 is awesome, no problems in 3000 miles and I have been hard on it
Thank you for your response. I have one last question What is better, Surron Light Bee x or this bike of yours? The nature of my driving is also city roads with soft sand because I live in Saudi Arabia
The suron is a great all-around bike with plenty of aftermarket support. Either Bike would be fine in your environment. you may want to check your local laws some laws state that the bike must have pedals but you can add those to the suron. My opinion is at the suron is a much better hard off-road bike. I feel mine has a smoother, quieter more stable ride on the street and hard surfaces, especially at high speed.
@@samjohnson517 I think the laws of Saudi Arabia allow us to have a permitted scooter and a thousand-watt bicycle, but would you recommend a cyclone? Okay, the power level depends on your level, as the wattage is high, you have 12,000 watts, while the Surron only has 6000 watts, and your battery is 72, while the Surron only has 60 volts.
@@محمدمحمد-د5ك3ص I know it's confusing but my the motor wattage means continuous. My motor is a 5000 watt motor but I put 12000 wats through itwhich is okay for short periods of time. 12000w motors are big and heavy May reduce performance So the motor wattage number it's not relevant. The main thing to consider for power the battery and the controller.
hey Sam just a question on the Sabvaton I have bought one that is new but from a private seller and didnt come with dongle or usb lead, I have tried to connect it to my laptop with a data usb with no avail?? doing my head in!!! Is there another way besides the dongle or specified lead that comes with controller that i can connect to controller in order to debug it and program it???
For casual hill climbs like what you see in some of my videos no, but excessive constant climbing yes it will heat up, it just depends on how much hill-climbing you plan on doing. If hill climbing in that type of riding is going to be your main focus you may want to look at the bigger motor.
Well it's not really made for a mid drive there was another person that had the same question and I believe the issue was that the bottom bracket is too wide and then there is not much room for the motor anyway I believe it would hang down too low.
@@samjohnson517 got new front tire and it rides better! I just have to get us to riding on these dirt tires! I been riding my Onyx so long with street tires, I think all tires should drive like them! Dirt tires are way different! What u think?
Yes unfortunately rules do change over time, kind of ridiculous though since you could pump 5000w through a 750w motor. I think the main issue is that the motor stops assisting at 28mph and in that mode the motor is probably not producing more than 750 watts anyway.
You are a credit to the ebike community. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.
Finally new video!!!!!! Working on my enduro ebike now.
The euro/stealth bomber copy is definitely the cheaper route to a pure speed road/dirt trail machine 👍 A cheap second hand set of spring rockshox/fox /marzochi is the way to go if the Chinese air fork fails 👍
This is great info. I had the option to upgrade the Zoom to KKE and wasnt going to, but now i will.
Beware I hear kke is like the dmn forks, they end up locking up after a while, some people say DNM stands for "do not move" lol I guess you could probably do some maintenance to get them to free up. There is no free lunch when it comes to suspension that's why RockShox and fox are so expensive
@@samjohnson517so which option do i go for on the website zoom or kke
I been thinking of these but going bicycle wheels if can as I build my own
The 205 is just that's what l have Sam.⚡👍👍😁⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡
I got a 5kW version. The few problems i have is that the controller got a hardwired throttle delay. At 50km/h it takes a solid second to react from no to full throttle. It's less bad at slower speeds. I have to keep the throttle turned a little bit to avoid the delay.
The stock Zoom front forks were completely stuck when i got the bike. But after adding some silicone oil to the seals and jumping on the bike to bottom-out the forks they began loosening up. So i have to give it silicone oil here and there to keep the forks oiled and somewhat working. They still doesn't completely lift after hitting the front brake hard.
Idk if 5kW is too much for the spokes on the rear wheel, because they begin clicking after a couple of hard pulls and wheelies. So i have to retension the spokes every time i ride a bit harder than normal city commuting.
I would go through the settings in the controller and check to see if there's something causing a delay I have screenshots of mine in the so you can compare. As far as the spoke issue that sounds like you have bicycle and not motorcycle wheels so that could be an issue until you make that upgrade.
@@samjohnson517 I sadly got the SW900 display, so it's very basic and by some reason the settings P09-12 doesn't exist, where P09 is a throttle delay... And seller can't explain why they're not there.
Yes, i got the bicycle spokes, idk if it's possible to even change the spokes with a hub motor. Might have to look into that since i also want to change the wheel diameter from 26' to mabye a 20'.
@@rasmus1600Is it not in the C settings?
@@ianmangham4570 C settings? I've only got the ones called P01 and so on. C, like in controller?
Hi came across your video love it ☺️ very informative and straight forward so am looking to build where do you find all these cool bike supply places I look and it's never ending plz adv thank you again for the informative video
Hello yes it can be overwhelming find a place to sell the same brand it can be comforting take a look at this Enduro e-bike site
www.enduroebike.com/
Sam Pilgrim put those forks though its pacers and they hold up.
Yeah like I said you can get them working okay the performance fits the price I guess definitely something to upgrade later
Great Video Sam! I had the Zoom forks and they work ok especially if you are on the light side. If you are over 200lbs I'd say don't even bother with them. If on a budget buy a used set of DNM Volcano forks off a Surron owner on the cheap. I upgraded to new KKE fork and it was well worth it. Of course if on a budget the Zooms will work. If over 200 lbs also get a 750lb rear coil. People should keep in mind that the Sabvoton 72200 is larger than the 150 and make sure they have space for it. I just got my K-Weld and will eventually build a P42 based battery pack. Thanks again Sam for all the good info!
I was just about to comment that
@@eastwood111 I think I've gotten good info from you on Endless Sphere for my Enduro EEB build! I now have a 3.5T and a 5T QS205 with a Sab 72150. love the Torque of the 5T but also love the top speed of the 3.5T . I may need two E-bikes LOL
@@718og any other forks you recommend? I’m 205lbs 6’2. Ordered my frame, motor kit, front wheel so far. I was gonna get zoom forks cause I’m doing 95% road use but wanna try some trails in the future. For my rear suspension I was going to get 240mm 550 lbs rcp2s
If you ever get a chance would you video those fork being taken apart? I would really like to see inside after all the use and see how they ended up.
Hi , quick question, I know you said you yourself wouldn't bother with the 12000watt hub motor but say you did would you have any problems fitting that size motor in the swingarm of that bomber stile frame . Why I ask I have a genuine stealth bomber that I use pretty hard core off road and I've always though about going all out and fitting such a large hub motor as a 12000watter and then boosting that up to 17000watts for use in short bursts in combination with the right controller and the biggest battery the bomber frame can fit inside of it .
If you would buy a built enduro ebike, which manufacturer out there would you suggest? Thanks for the feedback Sam
Hello it would be really hard for me to recommend someone when I haven't actually bought from them, but check out vector e-bikes and Enduro e-bikes they seem like they get pretty good reviews and don't forget the original stealth bomber in Australia.
I got one of these 12000w enduro ebikes recently thanks to videos of yours and others. Can I ask is it normal for them to not draw the stated 12000w? The most I've seen was around 5400w (64A x 84V) Is that just how they are or did I get a bad one?
Well it pretty much comes down to the battery and controller you want your battery to put out around 200 amps and have at least a 150 amp controller
@@samjohnson517 Thanks for the reply. It has a sabvoton 150A and 72v 40ah LG cells. I guess the 12000w claimed power was overly optimistic for this battery and there's not much I can do but upgrade it?
@@pauls464 no you don't want to go messing with the battery for safety reasons but everything else sounds good on the bike, I think you just need to find a battery that has a 150 amp continuous rating
Sam what is your current limit set on in the display Advanced settings?
I got similar bike and mi e is set on 17ah which seems very low
Thnx
I got 21" motorcycle wheels same 26"
Just the front?
What’s the weight total? Would you make some jumps with it like a surron or a mtb on a track ? (Would the battery move crazy in there which that would put it at risk?)
Do you think it would fit in a car instead of a rack?
Thanks ahead for the answers!
I got pretty much the same (ss10) which is the equivalent of a stealth bomber or cheetah-top ; whatever the names are there on aliB.
Hello I never weigh it but I'm going to guess around 200 lb, as far as jumping I did that and I ended up damaging the frame had to have it welded, my battery is in pretty good I have a tie down strap and plenty of foam so I don't think that's an issue. I don't think it would fit in a car it does fit in a minivan though.
@@samjohnson517 appreciate your insights there! Usually not the type of answers we find out there on YT. Can you elaborate on the jumps you’ve done and why it damaged the frame? I’m afraid I’ll have plenty of issues after going off roads and to pump track to have some fun with it. I mean I hope it’s not only good for speeding on the roads!
May I ask as well what straps/setup you use to make sure nothing moves in the frame?
Thanks bud
@@clementd.8501 Hello I explained the damage in this video here
ua-cam.com/video/HZ7lAXzMLag/v-deo.html
And as far as the strap look for a video of mine called Enduro update I show the strap in that video
@@samjohnson517 ok 👍🏼 rewatched your vid and seems like you spoke about the suspension that hit the frame and cracked a bit at the bottom because you made it too tight. I thought it was a problem related to the battery moving in the frame while making jumps that got me scared. I’ll rewatch the video about the straps.
Thanks a lot for your valuable information. My question is, is there two options on the qs205 3000w and 5000w or is just advertising? I know there is a 3t,4t, and 5t
I have seen that too I am not sure, the onyx appears to have a qs205 it' is marked 72v3000. I am not sure if that is part of the serial number or if it is a 3000w. Motor.
@@samjohnson517 ok thanks
But all they have that or just some of them?
@@samjohnson517 and what you think is a better choice between qs205 and crystalyte
@@Luicovarrubias I can't answer that one because I don't have any experience with those type of motors. All I can say is the qs205 is awesome, no problems in 3000 miles and I have been hard on it
Thank you for your response.
I have one last question
What is better, Surron Light Bee x
or this bike of yours?
The nature of my driving is also city roads with soft sand because I live in Saudi Arabia
The suron is a great all-around bike with plenty of aftermarket support. Either Bike would be fine in your environment. you may want to check your local laws some laws state that the bike must have pedals but you can add those to the suron. My opinion is at the suron is a much better hard off-road bike. I feel mine has a smoother, quieter more stable ride on the street and hard surfaces, especially at high speed.
@@samjohnson517 I think the laws of Saudi Arabia allow us to have a permitted scooter and a thousand-watt bicycle, but would you recommend a cyclone? Okay, the power level depends on your level, as the wattage is high, you have 12,000 watts, while the Surron only has 6000 watts, and your battery is 72, while the Surron only has 60 volts.
@@محمدمحمد-د5ك3ص yes but the suron can be upgraded to 72v 12000w but it's a little pricey.
Well, the bottom line is that your bike is more powerful than the Surron, given that its motor is 12,000 watts and its battery is 72 volts, type LG.
@@محمدمحمد-د5ك3ص I know it's confusing but my the motor wattage means continuous. My motor is a 5000 watt motor but I put 12000 wats through itwhich is okay for short periods of time. 12000w motors are big and heavy May reduce performance So the motor wattage number it's not relevant. The main thing to consider for power the battery and the controller.
hey Sam just a question on the Sabvaton I have bought one that is new but from a private seller and didnt come with dongle or usb lead, I have tried to connect it to my laptop with a data usb with no avail?? doing my head in!!! Is there another way besides the dongle or specified lead that comes with controller that i can connect to controller in order to debug it and program it???
sorry I have only went into the settings with the Bluetooth dongle they're pretty common though you should be able to get one for it
Does UKC1 have cruise control?
Shipping was no problem from oversea?
No but it take a while, some of the stuff I got pretty quick others took two maybe three weeks at the most.
Does the engine get hot when climbing hills and mountains?
For casual hill climbs like what you see in some of my videos no, but excessive constant climbing yes it will heat up, it just depends on how much hill-climbing you plan on doing. If hill climbing in that type of riding is going to be your main focus you may want to look at the bigger motor.
ahaaa 😮
hey, do you think that you could put a mid drive motor on the frame? thanks
Well it's not really made for a mid drive there was another person that had the same question and I believe the issue was that the bottom bracket is too wide and then there is not much room for the motor anyway I believe it would hang down too low.
@@samjohnson517 thanks mate, I was wondering for quite a while.
Do you have any idea of a enduro frame that could fit a mid drive?
Ive got there big boy battery 🔋 uiur right heavy but 60 mph mm try 80 plus ➕️ I'm in UK 🇬🇧
Hey do you notice any wheel bounce, when you reach speeds up to 55mph? Did u ever change ur brakes?
Hello no wheel bounce very smooth all the way to 65 mph, no I never did change the brakes just the pads to a different kind
@@samjohnson517 do u think the tires will cost that? Suspension looks and feel tight?
@@tankdome37 yes it does sound like a wheel balance problem also could be a bad tire maybe it's starting to come apart inside
@@samjohnson517 it’s a brand new bike
@@samjohnson517 got new front tire and it rides better! I just have to get us to riding on these dirt tires! I been riding my Onyx so long with street tires, I think all tires should drive like them! Dirt tires are way different! What u think?
When i looked up the watt restrictions for cali i get the max is only 750w
Yes unfortunately rules do change over time, kind of ridiculous though since you could pump 5000w through a 750w motor. I think the main issue is that the motor stops assisting at 28mph
and in that mode the motor is probably not producing more than 750 watts anyway.
Yeah Jessie lue or sunny cool agent's Ababa got k5800 273,3,5t hub moster 72volts pushing 85volts on display she dies waste 5000wastts