Nice video, good examples. As epee and foil fencer I use this techniques. I also successfully tried cavatione one on a military saber practice against a line clearing beat of my opponent (bateman). But I was wandering how cavatione could be used in Italian long sword tradition. And you gave the answer. Thank you very much.
Really nice thing - thank you! I tried to use cavazione and one of the beatings with feint as the main thing for a whole sparring day. After so many feints opponents were surprised by the simple direct thrust. So I started doing this intentionally. Starting every match with series of cavazione without intending to actually fully commit to thrust and after few engagements just using a simple trust without preparation. I was surprised how off guard I caught them few times! Not sure that something like that can be used in a tournament tho - because matches will be much more intense and short.
Jeah Frederico, this ist one of the best Video from you. The way of your fast Thrust, your direct technik in sparring. I Love it. Your instruction was very good. In my next sparring i want Test this. I Take my sword and go in my garden to train this. Thank you.
Hmm. Good question. Wouldn't it be more of an 'Mutieren und stich?'. I think the Durchwechsel is more of a false parry that doesn't meet the blow but displaces the cut from behind in order to counter.
Kinda, from what I read of the durchwechseln it's an interruption of a blow to go underneath, similar to the feint shown here, but I haven't found any circumstances where they use it from the onset (like the first example Frederico did).
@@toddgreener that's how I was tought durchwechseln. Your attacker performs an oberhau to your head for example from their right shoulder. You cut against the hau from your right shoulder but instead of hitting you go below and parry from the left in one motion. The oberhau will be pushed off line and pass to your right and miss if you did correctly and you are now free to finish your cut on their head by dropping your blade that is already in position. (That's Lecküchner). A mutieren/mutatio is more of a change of bind like Federico did. From one side to the other in order to reclaim the centre or throw the opponent off-guard, literally. And you can do so twice of three times as Ferderico did. I think the main difference in cavazione is a lack of blade contact? I am not an Italian schooled fencer so I am not fully sure what a cavazione is in all details.
Cavazione is basically a Durchwechslen. Lew says “If he has parried or otherwise bound to your sword, if he holds his point at the sword not against the opening of your body, and let’s it go out next to you beside onto the inside, disengage artfully to him.” If we read other glosse we have other applications, but it’s pretty much a concept not a play, so you can feint a cut and durch, you can durch from a bind, Ringeck (not in the Dresden manual though) even explains the concept of cavazione in tempo, he shows the weapon in langort asking for a beating, on the opponent beats/bind tempo (before he catches the sword) he goes for durchwechslen and stabs. So yeah. It’s a Durchwechslen
Well, from the Durchwechslen to modern disengage, the cavazione as basic movement always existed, be it to attack or to take bind on the other side, like for the mutatio gladii in I.33. So well, it’s a basic movement present in a variety of manuals with different names. Fiore don’t name it, he just says that longa uses “deceitful” action more than any other guards( feints) and that longa “Avoids the opponents blow and then hurts the opponent” which is the concept of cavazione in tempo we see also described in the Ringeck Durchwechslen. So yeah, there are plenty of sources.
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Eheheh ;-)
Raperists sounds awful xD
@@BernasLL Ugh, when spelling mistakes can make a huge difference 💩
@@SchildwachePotsdam Ahahah!
Saying this word always makes me feel cool and Italian. Gonna work on putting that into some of my probing actions, etc. from zenghiaro, thanks!
You are welcome Jeff!
Nice video, good examples.
As epee and foil fencer I use this techniques. I also successfully tried cavatione one on a military saber practice against a line clearing beat of my opponent (bateman). But I was wandering how cavatione could be used in Italian long sword tradition. And you gave the answer. Thank you very much.
Love this series very much can’t wait for more ✨✨😊
Thanks ;-)
Really nice thing - thank you! I tried to use cavazione and one of the beatings with feint as the main thing for a whole sparring day. After so many feints opponents were surprised by the simple direct thrust. So I started doing this intentionally. Starting every match with series of cavazione without intending to actually fully commit to thrust and after few engagements just using a simple trust without preparation. I was surprised how off guard I caught them few times! Not sure that something like that can be used in a tournament tho - because matches will be much more intense and short.
Jeah Frederico, this ist one of the best Video from you. The way of your fast Thrust, your direct technik in sparring. I Love it. Your instruction was very good. In my next sparring i want Test this. I Take my sword and go in my garden to train this. Thank you.
Thank you for the kind words ;-)
Very nice, thank you.
You are welcome:D
So this is *kind of* the Italian equivalent of the durchwelhsen in the German tradition?
Very nice video
Hmm. Good question.
Wouldn't it be more of an 'Mutieren und stich?'. I think the Durchwechsel is more of a false parry that doesn't meet the blow but displaces the cut from behind in order to counter.
Kinda, from what I read of the durchwechseln it's an interruption of a blow to go underneath, similar to the feint shown here, but I haven't found any circumstances where they use it from the onset (like the first example Frederico did).
@@toddgreener that's how I was tought durchwechseln. Your attacker performs an oberhau to your head for example from their right shoulder.
You cut against the hau from your right shoulder but instead of hitting you go below and parry from the left in one motion. The oberhau will be pushed off line and pass to your right and miss if you did correctly and you are now free to finish your cut on their head by dropping your blade that is already in position. (That's Lecküchner).
A mutieren/mutatio is more of a change of bind like Federico did. From one side to the other in order to reclaim the centre or throw the opponent off-guard, literally. And you can do so twice of three times as Ferderico did.
I think the main difference in cavazione is a lack of blade contact? I am not an Italian schooled fencer so I am not fully sure what a cavazione is in all details.
Cavazione is basically a Durchwechslen. Lew says “If he has parried or otherwise bound to your sword, if he holds his point at the sword not against the opening of your body, and let’s it go out next to you beside onto the inside, disengage artfully to him.”
If we read other glosse we have other applications, but it’s pretty much a concept not a play, so you can feint a cut and durch, you can durch from a bind, Ringeck (not in the Dresden manual though) even explains the concept of cavazione in tempo, he shows the weapon in langort asking for a beating, on the opponent beats/bind tempo (before he catches the sword) he goes for durchwechslen and stabs.
So yeah. It’s a Durchwechslen
@@FedericoMalagutti thanks!
Great video as always 👍
Thank you!
I'd love to know from which source the cavazzione comes from
Well, from the Durchwechslen to modern disengage, the cavazione as basic movement always existed, be it to attack or to take bind on the other side, like for the mutatio gladii in I.33.
So well, it’s a basic movement present in a variety of manuals with different names. Fiore don’t name it, he just says that longa uses “deceitful” action more than any other guards( feints) and that longa “Avoids the opponents blow and then hurts the opponent” which is the concept of cavazione in tempo we see also described in the Ringeck Durchwechslen.
So yeah, there are plenty of sources.
@@FedericoMalagutti Thanks my friend
Very interesting! 😊
LoL! Thank you Elisetti!
We use this technique a lot in sparring. Never had a name for it until now. Is this from Fiore?
It’s from many manuals. Look down in the comments ^^
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The question is sword, the answer is always cavazione.
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