Non-submersible expert (but former flight student) here: Not discovering the thruster malfunction until you're at the farthest point from potential rescue is insane. Sounds like something mission critical you should absolutely and always check on the surface, pre-dive. Imagining climbing Mt. Everest and not discovering until you're in sight of the summit the spare oxygen tank you're carrying--the one you need for the descent--is empty. 😯😵
TBH no technology is ever going to be 100% unbreakable, even with a solid base of research and development and with inbuilt redundancies factored in. That said, the Titan was an absolutely janky piece of junk that could have been better built by a class of fifth graders.
Fun fact: one of the customers was a cuber. He wanted to set a world record kn the lowest rubiks cube solve in the world. Unfortunately he did not do it. Thats why the video shows rubiks cube.
Poor kid. I wonder how he was planning to record and officialize that cube attempt? There's obviously no internet on the bottom of the ocean, and I doubt he was allowed to carry any recording equipment aboard. Then again, Stockton Rush already made 50 mistakes by the time their fate was sealed, so maybe he'd have been dumb enough to allow passengers additional unnecessary weights with them.
@@notenoughmemes1847 You're right. He was a legal adult. I had the statistic about our brains not being fully developed until around age 25 when I said "kid". The part of the brain that wouldn't yet be fully developed at 19 includes the pre-frontal cortex, which I believe regulates some higher level thinking like proper risk-assessment. So no, not a child. But out of everyone aboard the Titan, I believe he is the least culpable in the eventual tragedy. Or, not at all culpable, really.
@@notenoughmemes1847 I just went and researched the issue to check the science, and I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. You're right - our brains are always developing - but the internal structures and cognitive changes that signify the shift from a "young brain" to an "adult brain" are measurable and distinct. Not saying I don't believe you - just saying that I've done some comprehensive research on the issue in response to your point and I'm not seeing anything that negates my point. Perhaps you'd like to tell me where you found this info? I'm not challenging you, mind - I want to be right on this and so far I'm not seeing much that supports your claims.
The son who passed away in this incident, as well as his father, lived extremely close to me to the point where after the titan tragedy, we drove past their family home being emptied and have continually driven past it since the event occurred, a beautiful home that got gutted within a month and either sold on or no longer occupied. I feel so bad for him, from what I've seen he was pressured into taking his place on the titan as it was a "father's day gift" but he didn't actually WANT to do it - it was meant to be his mother who went down but she changed her mind and convinced him.
Getting yourself locked inside a homemade coffin, sinking to the bottom of the ocean, hearing someone taking a dump 2 feet away from you, smelling his shit, hearing constant cracking of the hull, and finally being atomized in a thousandth of a second. What an experience... All this for only $250 000 !!!
And at the price of a home each. There is a karmic ghostly feel to this event. They werent going down there in the name of documentation and exploration, they went down there for tourism. I don't believe in ghosts but there is some dark energy down there. Stockton didn't respect that.
It wasn't the "sudden" change in pressure that killed them it was the pressure, period. Using an online terminal velocity calculator I made a rough estimate of the sub, pointed perpendicular with density of seawater and mass of roughly 22,500 lbs, and the terminal velocity was approx. 25ft per second. One atm of pressure is applied every 33ft. So the "rush" to the bottom would have added additional 11PSI to the hull every second. While this is significant, it isn't beyond what a properly built pressure container could withstand. The point was, Titan never was a properly built pressure container. It was built with a material that basically had a shelf life. That pressure hull had a finite number of pressure cycles in it. And Oceangate failed to find out where that finite number existed. Instead, trying to rely on technology on telling them when the hull was "creaking" too much. At the VERY minimum, Ocean gate should have taken the original Titan and continually dropped it down and brought it up to find out how many times the sub could be pressure cycled until failure. Then you set the maximum number of allowable dives to be half that number. And if Carbon Fiber requires you to build a new hull every 5 dives, then you pretty much realize it's not suitable for what you are doing.
Absolutely correct. But proper testing would require spending money and so gets cut. Techbro libertarian "rule-breaking outside-the-box innovation". And if having to retire the hull after a handful of dives for safety considerations kills the economics than it's better to have no data telling you that so as to preserve the ego, vanity and delusional self-image.
Aren't the successful deep-sea subs always spheres, made of titanium? That is a shape that makes sense for resisting inward pressure. I'll never understand why anyone thought a cylinder with hemispheres at either end, made out of three dissimilar materials, was a good idea. No matter what those materials were, the stresses where they are joined have got to be enormous.
We all know the sub imploded. No mystery there. The acoustic hydrophones scattered about that part of the Atlantic ocean can triangulate the location and depth of the implosion. They have the exact time as well. Based on when the sub lost communications with the mother ship and the implosion, the speed at which the sub descended can be calculated with some accuracy. So, there is a lot of information that can be used to put together a scenario. The critical event that led up to the implosion can be speculated and it won't be that far off from the truth. Conclusion: It was a shoddy made vehicle built by a miser that ended up killing him and four other people that should have known better than to crawl inside that thing and descend 12,500 ft. to the bottom of the ocean.
No doubts on this. No other stories needed.....still i dunno why so many have their versions of explanation to distort truth. Is it always like this in the West?
This isn't accurate at all. They never fail to their death. There are tax transcripts of the communication between them and the people on the ship up top. The problem was when they were ascending they didn't have enough power. Thus they were at the depth below too long and the pressure caused the implosion. There was no freefall. This video is complete crap.
The fact, that in a previous dive, the propulsion was installed wrongly, is very disturbing & mindbugling. Prooves, there has been NO QM or double check in place at all, at least not by the time of that previous attempt.
I had never understood that bizzare thing myself, normally you would ensure the thrust is correct, in fpv quadcopter hobby for example this is a highly important step to verify that the thrust trajectories are all correct. Infact it is bizarre to imagine that they only figured this out when they got to the bottom, I would have thought some type of auto stabilization system would want those thrusters to be in the correct orientation! MORE QUESTIONS!
Aviva, I totally agree, do you remember robot wars? Where people would make robots out of anything they had? It reminds me of that, except this was people's lives. Love your butterfly avatars
So did your grandmother when she birthed the creature that your a** spawned from. But we're not accusing you of getting people killed just because the news demonized you. You A** baby
The only mystery is, at least to me, why would anyone with a minimum of common sense, get inside that tin can. What were they thinking, especially the dad , bringing his son with him. They did not sign a waiver . They signed their death certificates.
Tic. Tac…. Hmmmm I thought it resembled a suppository! Talk about clearing out your system! I’d never have gone in one…I’m afraid of the ocean. I can walk and wade along it, but the true size of it overwhelms me and also I’m claustrophobic.
Same here. I’ve found the Titanic fascinating since my parents bought me books on it when I was like seven. I would definitely jump at the chance to have a SAFE trip to see it, but there were so many red flags with the Titan submersible that I marvel at how it even happened.
I have to say, given how this guy took shortcuts on everything, I’m amazed it made it to the titanic without imploding. I’d think his first trip down would of been his last.
@@scienceteam9254that’s how they make their money By ignoring the experts and screwing people over Usually they do it at our expense, rather then their own
@@jean-micheldumay3409no. Not having empathy for these billionaires is perfectly normal. They aren’t the standard people and the all paid GOOD money. Money of the likes well never see in one spot. Ever. Yet you want people to feel empathy for these idiots? Not happening.
I'd read a report about this and they included the transcript from inside the submersible. It seems that Rush (and his passengers) knew there was a problem (sounds of the hull weakening) and started to try and bring the Titan to the surface. The transcript revealed that Rush was upset that the sub was rising very slowly, much slower than anticipated. From what I remember about this transcript, the scenario went on for much longer than two minutes.
@@DrSeuss-nv9hw Thank you! Well, whoever concocted up this video, really went full speed ahead with the storyline. The animation of the passengers all jumbled together in the nose was a bit over the top.
@@rightlyso8507...The leaked transcript clearly shows what happened. This is typical of a lot of people today, though. Just ignore facts and make up a more entertaining fantasy.
@@rightlyso8507 Yep the vertical free-fall animation is pure fiction. The transcript of text communications between Stockton Rush and the Polar Prince 'mother ship' tells the story pretty clearly. We can assume that transcript is genuine, as it hasn't been challenged by Oceangate. Following the alarms sounding (indicating an issue with the hull), Stockton Rush aborted the dive - though by that time, they were almost at the Titanic site. The submersible dropped ballast to return to the surface. But Rush stated that the sub wasn't rising fast enough, so in addition he jettisoned the metal frame surrounding the Titan too. Soon after that they lost comms, and Titan fell silent. It now transpires the Navy picked up the sound of the implosion at that time, so they did in fact know exactly what had happened to the vessel and its 5 occupants (as James Cameron confirmed after the tragedy was announced). Which begs the question why did they perpetuate the farce, over several days/media conferences, that the sub must be found before its occupants ran out of oxygen? The alarm system designed to warn of an issue with the Titan was a total farce. It sounded around 2 hours into the dive - so it would take another 2 hours to return to the surface and safety, by which time, as we know, the mystery issue had caused an implosion. So while it's true the five occupants had mercifully speedy deaths, there was a prior period of concern and crisis inside the vessel, and that's very sad. One interesting fact to emerge from the transcript, is the speed at which the Titan descended that fateful day - far too quickly. The mother ship was supposed to be monitoring the Titan's performance, including its rate of descent. Yet it appears they never once told Rush it was diving too fast. It may even have been an uncontrolled descent, due to unidentified damage which later caused disaster. Had the Polar Prince picked up on the issue of speed during the first 30-40 mins of the dive and aborted it, they could potentially averted tragedy.
@@glamdolly30 Thanks for the detailed accounting of the final moments of the submersible! I'd not heard of the Navy capturing the sound of it's implosion - wow! Yeah, the entire countdown of finding the sub before the oxygen ran out. The news of the sub's demise was delayed and timed to come out for political reasons. Instead of talking about how Hunter Biden admitted to two felonies:the tax case and the gun case, they felt it better to concentrate on the whereabouts of the submarine.
Imagine lying on top of each other at the nose of it, slowly falling to the ocean's bottom, probably hearing hull making creaking sounds and realizing that you are about to die very very soon.
@@vap8978 Either in pitch black darkness, or if one of the passengers had their phone they were shining their light. But still absolutely terrifying nightmarish.
As an engineer, it hurts my heart how this marvel of state-of-the-art engineering vanished forever deep in the sea with an unforgiving implosion, shredding it into pieces. What submarine? I was talking about the Logitech F710 wireless controller.
Nah, the controller is fine (though the salt water has likely corroded the electronics to shit.). They found the thing chilling on the ocean floor, fully intact.
@@Rashed1255 To be fair, it's likely the thing was ejected out the window cap, and immediately filled with water. Since pressure inside now equals pressure outside, it sank down and landed on the ocean floor. I can guarantee it won't ever work again, but the shell is intact.
One of the cheapest controllers for PC he could have used. Famous for analog stick drift and horrible deadzones. There are so many other controllers he could have used other than a 30 dollar budget PC gamepad.
I didn’t believe they didn’t know at some point they were in danger but this is much worse than expected. Thank you for your work.people need to be held accountable.
@@benhartart9487the horror of falling down thousands of meters into the ocean, knowing that a unimaginable pressure is building in the outside that will crush you in a split second once the vessel inevitably fails.... Not to mention being stacked upon each other like that, probably using all their strength to struggle. That's torturous.
Rush was a narcissist with a "delution of grandeur" so great that he ignored all those who worked in his team (one whom he sacked one the spot) and ignored others who were giving serious concern on the overall design and safety of this vessel. This was not subject to strict safety regulations because it operated in international waters, giving Rush carte blanche to carry on with his amazing "inovation" ideas to be fulfilled without any outside interferance. This was a catastrophic disaster waiting to happen. My heart goes out to the adventerous victims who lost their lives!
Perhaps only one or two in the Titan knew in their hearts and brain what was about to happen. The others probably were concerned on how they would be rescued once on the sea floor. Those that had concern of rescue may have reasoned that since this sub had reached such depths before, implosion was not part of their fundamental knowledge or cognizance.
They knew they will implode for at least 15min because they heard the loud cracks in the carbon fiber hull and the real time hull monitoring system was on red alarm for 15 minutes or longer, don't remember now how long exactly. The video here is not right, they had no blackout and they didn't fall straight to the floor. They just went down too fast in 1:45 hours and were to heavy and had struggled to ascend again. The CF hull had probably cracks from the beginning and water was coming in and made them heavier. They imploded around 400m above the sea flor and not at bottom.
They didn’t even make it to the seafloor, they imploded within the water column, in other words, they didn’t even make it to the titanic, they were about 10,000 feet down when they lost contact with the mothership meaning the power went out, the tracking system was in its own pressure hall meaning it was still able to be tracked, even though that the power ran out, but as soon as the tracking system stopped working, that basically indicated that the sub was disintegrated into nothing, they didn’t even make it to the ocean floor, all five of them knew that the sub was about to implode, James Cameron even said that they released the ballastfrom the sub in order to come back to the surface, so that obviously indicates that they “knew” that something was about to happen to them
@@Garage_Distinct_Clips they made it 10,000 feet down, then they started experiencing problems with the carbon fiber hall, they were trying to resurface, but obviously, you’re doomed either way because 10,000 feet is damn near 2 miles below the ocean, they were probably the length of the Burj Khalifa away from the titanic when it imploded which is roughly 2000 feet give or take.
What's the mystery? The Titan sub was made of materials known to be inadequate for such pressures... Nevermind any other faults that only may have made the inevitable happen sooner.
Carbon fiber is strong, but it's fiber. It might be strong when it is exposed to vertical force, but it's weakness could be lateral force, and vice versa. It really depends on the direction of the fibers.
My ex had a carbon fiber hood on his car and although strong it is also very weak under pressure. There is no crumble it goes from whole to complete split! No in between. These people didn’t stand a chance once it was weakened.
I'd originally hoped in the very beginning of the whole "Titan implosion" ordeal that the passengers onboard had no idea they were in danger and it's unfortunate that it just wasn't the case. I actually remember when I first heard that Ocean Gate was taking tourists down to the Titanic wreck site so I looked it up and knew the second I saw the Titan submersible that there was no way in hell it wouldn't eventually end in the loss of lives.
it's not the form, it's the engineering quality, the materials used, things you couldn't possibly tell just by looking. the cameron submersible also had a large round viewport, so it's not that. it' the pressure rating of said viewport. also the fact that they didn't want to hire qualified and competent individuals because they were "boring" and "white", so you can show off your diverse team of woman engineers.
@@cagneybillingsley2165lol wtf why are you bringing some kind of anti woke thing to it? Stockton was the rich straight white cis male entirely at fault here. That's it. Experts told him it wasn't safe and was unclassed and he had ego trip after ego trip, where is this woke bullshit you're triggered about? You literally just made up a bunch of women of color in your head and then got mad at them. You're a joke lmao.
@@cagneybillingsley2165 nah it was the form too. they chose to go with a cylindrical hull instead of a tried-and-tested sphere, which would have evenly distributed the crazy amounts of pressure at those depths. and like you rightly pointed out, the materials used. also the fact that they chose to mix 2 different materials, carbon fibre and titanium, which would have behaved differently and possibly created microcracks
I heard when that lost all power that the TITAN did a nose dive&was sinking fast until the inward blast vaporized their azz.That had to be horrible&I agree the 19yr.son wasnt even suppose to be on the Titan but at the last second the mom coward out&man the son feel like he had to go with it being fathers day ect&He went knowing in his gut he felt it was a one way trip&he figured he's take his Rubik's Cube and make a record of working tje cube at the deepest sealevel to date but I he still made a record at the deepest a Rubiks cube imploded.
@@majorwedgie8166 By simply wrapping the core of a toilet roll in carbon fibre, you can demonstrate it's enormous TENSILE strength, showing that you cannot burst it from the inside. Then you can just crush it from the outside with your bare hands. The only crush strength was from the epoxy, but since it contained air bubbles, they would progressively collapse from the outside on every dive cycle, reducing it's strength to that of a soggy sponge. A far better solution would have been to start off with 2 titanium cylinders of half inch thickness, leaving a 5 inch gap when they were placed one inside the other. These could have been continuously welded into slots machined into the end caps. The cavity could have been evacuated and it's ability to retain a vacuum verified. Using a mixing nozzle and sealed connections to the vacuumed cylinders, the entire cavity could have been filled with high strength low modulus epoxy and left to cure for a few weeks. The whole thing would have needed to be on end and slightly tilted, with injection at the lowest point and vacuum at the highest. A window tank at the top, would have verified complete filling. Needless to say, the epoxy would have needed to be retarded, to allow time for filling before curing commenced. This method, using conical removable cones, was used to construct the single piece nose radome of Concorde. Throughout the life of the aircraft they never had a failure. Perhaps the most important factor, is that regular ultrasonic testing could have been performed. The titanium outer shell would have also given good damage resistance and clearly visible marks of any impact.
I don't see this as a lesson in engineering, but rather, a lesson in management. I can confidently assume that the issues they encountered were solvable, if only they were acknowledged. If you remember kids and teens in the rebelious phase that think of safety as of a sign of weakness, this CEO seemed the same.
Man… I knew they must’ve known at some point. But I PRAYED this was a split second thing and they didn’t realize how dire the situation was. Hearing this breaks my heart. Knowing they were likely WELL aware of how bad things were and must’ve been terrified… Jesus.
The CEO made a comment about not hiring 50 year old submariners from any Navy. As a Silent Service Vet, there is no way I would have boarded that death trap and most likely neither would my experienced mates.
this is fantastic, I am amazed I didn't see this earlier this is so well produced and the animations are quality. I've watched some professional documentaries on this which did not touch on the earlier failures a quarter as well as you did.
You pay $250,000 to sit and look out a hole maybe a foot in diameter while smelling a chemical toilet full of someone's crap. Yes, they had to lean over the crapper to look out the window of the outhouse for $250,000 each.
@@TirarADeguello If that scenario presented is correct they also all imploded together in the crapper. If true this would be shot down as a movie for being too on the nose.
Had the counter weights on the skids of the vessel been rigged to slide off if the vessel went into a nose down attitude which is what apparently happened the weights would have fallen off when a nose down attitude was reached , however they did not fall off but slid toward the nose increasing the rate of decent . Oops ...... Stockton was reckless at best and a murderer at worse . 8:05
An auto-engage safety measure that uses zero external mechanical or electronic inputs, just the plain old physics is actually a very smart idea indeed. You have to test it tho, to make sure that it works
It’s sad but not much of a mystery. Water is heavy. You need to use materials strong enough to handle that. Rip, especially the teenager who got on board probably trusting his dad
I'm not an engineer, so I can just imagine what happened based on what it has been made public. IMHO, it was not an electrical failure what caused the quick dive and final implosion of the Titan. Surely it was the very last thing which happened before implosion. But the uncontrolled dive and the electrical failure it likely were due to the carbon fiber hull, which was bending under the pressure after several dives in which progressive delamination occurred. As the hull was giving way under the increasingly higher sea pressure (firstly unnoticeably, then with sounds only detected by the RTM system and finally with increasingly louder, terrifying bangs), the submersible displaced less water while weighing the same, hence it did lose buoyancy beyond what the release of ballast could compensate. The electrical failure likely it was due to the same reason, perhaps some cables were cut or stretched out in the process.
If Martin’s theory is correct that was an extremely long 48 to 71 seconds for the five to endure. Titan seems clearly to have been an accident waiting to happen.
I love your graphics, beautifully done!🥰 I think we'll find out what happened to Titan. No matter the exact cause, Stockton Rush is entirely responsible for the deaths. 👋🇨🇦
I disagree with the Titan nosediving! It had plenty of things wrong with it, but balance didn't seem to be one of them. They shut power off and descend without any thrusters!
@@janetphillips2875 This nose dive is just wild speculation and clickbait. Whether they were aware of what was about to happen and started an emergency ascending is of yet uncertain. We'll know for sure once the investigation is over. Personally I believe that the carbon fiber cylinder had delaminated to such a degree it came to a critical point where it just gave away without any prior warning. If the warning system worked as intended then maybe they got some indication a few seconds prior but I'm not convinced such a system would have been able to detect a carbon fiber cylinder about to lose its structural integrity.
I don't think there was a nose dive. This video was created a while ago and has since been republished I suspect. The video description sets something like that out.
One man, in I believe Argentina, came up with a theory that for some reason they crowded to the front and it nose dived, and since then almost every scenario on youtube has it nose diving, even though it doesn't make any sense why they would crowed together at the port, and no evidence exists to corroborate it .
That thumbnail looks like they're playing Twister...it's good to know they were having fun in their last moments... and I know I probably shouldn't joke about them and I do feel bad for them but not near as bad as countless others who lost their lives after being tricked and having no idea of the danger awaiting them but in this disaster they knew and chose to go anyway
I always had a feeling from the very beginning that no, they just did not died instantaneously and no not know what happened.. they must have been so frightened when the thrusters we're not working properly and the screens and technical gear we're not making proper contact with above sea. In my opinion they knew they were going to die.. although other people in the submersible world had contacted Ocean gate there were citizens who put their trust in Ocean gate for that dive. The more I hear how much the Ocean gate was reported and contacted the more it makes me so angry that they still did that. I know that many submersibles go down below ocean and it is kind of a thing now and maybe even more popular in the future. Of course there would be risk, but how oceangate treated that disgust me.
@@johnmike121You known that an implosion happens within 3 nanoseconds or less, and it takes 13 for the brain to register anything, right? They don't feel anything. Sorry for My English, not my first.
You want this to happen because people like you love thinking that others suffer. Most probably they didn’t understand anything and they died instantly!
@@orlandomejia6818 I think they are talking about the time leading up to, (before), the implosion. Any amount of time before the implosion, knowing they were going to die had to be horrifying and tortuous.
The mental fear and torture would be unimaginable also combined with the claustrophobic feeling of being trapped in complete darkness and not being able to breath or even move. Not even enough room to freak out in that thing and have a panic attack just trapped
I will never understand how anyone in their right mind would ever want to do something like this, especially pay to do it. They all knew how dangerous the risks were. You know their gut was telling them the whole time not to go, just wish they would have listened to their intuitions. Rip!
The signed waiver should have included “possible deposit, but no return and no refund”. I felt sorry for the 19 year old who lost his life due to stupidity of others. RIP
Heck, a person of this age should be able to do basic research on the craft he is going to ride to extreme depths. The whole concept of carbon fiber hull (and videos of manufacturing thereof - no clean room, and from what I saw fibers were rolled on like in a spool, not at different angles in successive layers), the epoxy interface per se, how it was applied (literally smeared by hand), comms problems, controllers used, unrated porthole, multiple materials with different properties (carbon/titanium/plexiglass/epoxy), the list goes on. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see it was suboptimal. I see it as autodarwination. Harsh but true.
He had already been on there with his father over a year ago,it was supposed to be his wife but he really wanted to go again, so the mother and father let him go instead of the mother, but he had taken the trip once before ,so he knew exactly what he was getting into,sad so young though
Pretty sure he meant to slip that quote a bit later when he talks about crew experiences noises on a dive. Which were most likely caused by the carbon fiber breaking down.
We now know it wasn’t the carbon fibers fault as much as the adhesive they used to seal the titanium and carbon fibers together that adhesive they used literally was ate up by the pressure after many dives
I fail to see how loosing power would have caused the sub to tilt vertically when there was no electrical driven mechanism designed to keep the craft horizontal. The fixed under structure and weights seemed to be designed to keep the vessel horizontal regardless. I think that part of the theory needs further explanation.
@ACloudyDay22 mass doesn't effect descent speed as much as density. You didn't account for friction, though. While the effect is magnified in this example, a skydiver can change their speed based on body position. A neutral, belly-down position has a 200 km/h terminal velocity. By changing to head down and reducing friction, terminal velocity increases to >250 km/h.
The animation of the Titan plummeting nose first, is pure fiction. The leaked transcript of messages between the sub and the mother ship, explains what happened.
From the pictures of the recently released debri field it looks like the forward dome and interface ring was where the failure occurred. The forward dome was some distance away from the rest of the debris and was intact except for the porthole plexiglass. The aft dome and tail section were found together with the remains of the carbon fiber crammed into the aft hemisphere of the dome. This suggests the pressure came from the forward dome pushing back to the aft. That would have popped the porthole out of its mount and the forward dome off the rest of the sub.
Even the submersible made entirely from titan and shaped more like the bowl is not recommended for multiple diving missions, and, as James Cameron said, must be carefully examined before every repeated use and technically proven for eventually undertaken mission. This awful event seems more like a trap for those richmen who are driven by their irrational passion and therefore being unaware how someone's greed can easily contribute to horrific death in darkness of unfriendly depths of the ocean. The best constructed submersibles are however limited in safe multiple use due to extreme forces they are exposed to and therefore slightly damaged after every mission to such depths.
I've been saying all along with the do gooders saying it was instantaneous and they didn't know that they were aware of something going wrong before instantly being popped like big zits. There was creaking, there was leaking, there was groaning as it neared its crush depth. They certainly experienced some fear or terror before it was all over.
@@extrasoap4881 I agree. Sounds, yes. Prior passengers had reported crackling sounds previously towards the back left I believe. A “leak” absolutely not. In anything that has a pressure differential that drastic, it will happen faster than the human brain can process it. If they had a crack on the surface, yeah it would visibly leak. Under hundreds of lbs of pressure from all sides? Nope, you’re done for. As soon as that pressure vessel is no longer “pressurized”, meaning not sealed off entirely from the surrounding environment, it’s instantaneous.
@@sabbath1136 I'd just like to ask the search party. Why the bullshit charade? You knew they were all dead with the acoustic anomaly that everyone in the marine industry heard.
What’s worse than passing away in a deep sea implosion? Spending your last minutes with all your crew mates piled on top of you in the toilet. You know someone didn’t go before they were all bolted up in there.
If this was really the scenario before it imploded, this is undoubtedly 100 times more terrifying... We all were hoping atleast they didn't even realize wtf was happening but damn ....Now the only good thing about this WHOLE situation is that they didn't feel pain.. They would have certainly felt FEAR 100000% but 0 pain.... sigh
As far as whether they will solve the mystery: I’ve read countless NTSB investigations. For one plane incident, they discovered that something was attached with metric instead of an imperial screws - barely any difference but enough to cause a deadly plane crash. I feel pretty confident they’ll be able to figure this one out.
Towing that thing on a clumsy raft into the Atlantic would have no doubt exposed the connection between the titanium interface ring and the aft mounted accessory “bundle” for want of a better description to a multitude of abnormal/asymmetric loads that were never modeled when this thing the so called “Titan” was being assembled, no less designed. Same goes for the loading on the fwd interface ring that the front dome was hinged off. It would have made far better engineering sense to hinge the dome centrally either swinging it upwards or down so as to minimize the torsional load on that interface ring. Then to boot these guys decided to use the same interface ring as a lifting point for hoisting the thing. Who in their right mind would fix lifting pints to a critical component like that. It’s like jacking a 747 under the engine pylons, as opposed to specific points on the airframe that are designed to spread the load of the forces concentrated in that area, and it’s never a critical failure point. How about a lifting cradle that supported the ship unloaded and put all the lifting force onto no critical pressure vessel points. And, cantilevering all that gear off the rear interface connection/ring then slamming it around in the Atlantic for a few days to save a few bucks on the cost of the mothership could possibly have set up the failure mechanic that brought this whole sad Sham-sub undone. Interesting to observe the rear accessory section was retrieved fairly….. relatively intact, damaged but not blasted to bits by a high energy implosion. It’s not totally smashed which you’d think it would be if it was still attached inline with the pressure chamber when the implosion occurred. On a hunch, due to fatigue/abnormal loading on the journey to Titanic site as a result of the rough conditions, the aft section separated at the top fixing and swung/cantilevered down, pulling the vessel into an aft first plunge toward the ocean bed. The rest is history. In a sad irony, the aft section of the mighty Titanic broke away from the fwd section as it was hoisted into the sky unsupported by the ocean. The aft accessory section of the Titan when unsupported by the ocean and being shaken, rattled and slapped across a few hundred miles of the Atlantic making its way to the wreck site, set up the conditions for the ultimate failure of the ship once it headed for the ocean bed. The same ocean bed that’s no place for 50 year old white guys.
How about them glass electronic compartments? That one sphere that's missing from wreckage. Glass starts fracturing Cause electrical failure Passengers panicked in dark, moved to front causing rapid decent, and the boxs totally failed or the sub finally imploded. The way it was towed I think is the least of worries. Any force in transport is miniscule to the forces 1/16 of the way down.
Look at the video he mentions rhino liner and the explanation on the glass oil compartments. Totally overlooked The aft cap was walled off so if the hull was the starting point it be happening all around them above they're heads.
The Titan was towed out to the Titanic on its launch sled through rough sea. Not on the bow as depicted in your thumb nail. This is now 1 of the areas being looked at as a possible time the Titan may have experienced damage.
The body contracts and expands under pressure doing this over multiple cycles aka going down an up again like an airplane is what degrades the material thats a fact but waves could ruin it to i guess but thats just a question the non question is the fact it compresses an decompresses just like an airplane thats why planes have certain numbers of hours , how many takeoffs an landings, how old the material is etc as standards. These standards would make it a tiny bit safer but its still a cheap piece of crap experiment sub not a plane an woulda blew up at some point lol
Based on other people’s accounts of leading up to Titan’s implosion, it seems more theorized that the faulty method Oceangate used to form the tube of the submersible was bound to not last. The reality is that it was the design of the sub from the first step that was bound to have it weaken faster than other subs for trying to turn this into a tourist trap (no pun intended). All other subs mainly use spheres, not a spherical that has a weakness of pressure point in the middle and not in a balanced place like most spheres have.
So many warning signs is astounding. It doesn’t matter how rich you are to take the trip to this extraordinary wreck but just by researching this sub should be enough to say no. You cannot keep diving to these extremes depths without certified maintenance as is shown by past multiple dives by Ballard,Cameron etc . May their souls RIP.
The fact they felt the craft falling for 70 seconds is PETRIFYING. I don’t feel sorry for the CEO whatsoever. How do you not even have a checklist on the craft? Worse yet , the craft was guided by a video Game controller 🎮 that needed to be troubleshooted IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DEEP OCEAN. That’s unbelievable
i know nothing about the mechanics behind subs, but i think that most people complaining about the video game controller don’t know anything, either. i’d say the worst part about the video game controller was the fact it was only powered by _bluetooth,_ but i can’t say that for sure.
I can almost guarantee they already know what happened. We might never be told for many reasons like, future projects and legal liabilities. They had tons of monitoring and cameras on what happened.
THE TITAN SUB WAS WHAT WE CALL IN THE MOTOR TRADE A "CUT & SHUT JOB" WHICH IS WHEN YOU TAKE TWO OR MORE VEHICLES & YOU WELD THEM TOGETHER TO MAKE A NEW VEHICLE WHICH IS ASKING FOR TROUBLE ! ! !🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
The vertical free-fall animation is pure fiction. The transcript of text communications between Stockton Rush and the Polar Prince 'mother ship' tells the story pretty clearly. We can assume that transcript is genuine, as it hasn't been challenged by Oceangate. Following the alarms sounding (indicating an issue with the hull), Stockton Rush aborted the dive - though by that time, they were almost at the Titanic site. The submersible dropped ballast to return to the surface. But Rush stated that the sub wasn't rising fast enough, so in addition he jettisoned the metal frame surrounding the Titan too. Soon after that they lost comms, and Titan fell silent. It now transpires the Navy picked up the sound of the implosion at that moment, so they did in fact know exactly what had happened to the vessel and its 5 occupants (as James Cameron confirmed soon after official confirmation of the tragedy). Which begs the question why did they perpetuate the myth, over several days and media conferences, that the submersible must be found before its occupants ran out of oxygen? The alarm system designed to warn of an issue with the Titan was a total farce. It sounded around 2 hours into the dive - so it would take another 2 hours to return to the surface and safety, by which time, as we know, the mystery issue had caused an implosion. One interesting fact to emerge from the transcript, is the speed at which the Titan descended that fateful day - far too quickly. The mother ship was supposed to be monitoring the Titan's performance, including its rate of descent. Yet they never once told Rush it was diving too fast. It may even have been an uncontrolled descent, due to unidentified damage which later caused disaster. Had the Polar Prince crew picked up on the issue of speed during the first 30-40 minutes of the dive and aborted it, they could potentially averted tragedy. While the 5 men had a speedy death, the transcript revealed the prior period of crisis and mounting concern inside that glorified Coke can, as the alarms sounded. Heart breaking.
Likely they didn’t want to expose the precision of their marine surveillance capabilities without going through certain channels of approval first, pretending a rescue was even theoretically possible was a way to plausibly deny having detected anything before they got official permission to reveal their findings.
The communication method was very primitive and slow. It was way too verbose for essentially small character texting. You really should be more skeptical of what you see on the internet.
If I remember right i think in the 1920s there was a proponent for zeppelins who said, in criticism of airplanes, “would you get into a boat that is kept afloat only by the movement of its engine?” Honestly seeing this, that can probably be modernized to “would you get into a boat that is only kept afloat by its electronics?” If the oceangate submersible and the boeing max 8s can teach us anything, its that making a design thats fully electronic and software reliant, with no manual or analog backups, is a death sentence.
Please explain. When you look at the position of the thrusters i fail to see how them no longer working due to battery failure, would make the craft nose dive. (Unless something else needed power to keep the craft stable.) You would need at least one more thruster for the crafts pitch (nose "up/down") else the craft had to be stable as is, maybe via ballast. What am i missing?
I think that when the titan started falling outta control, the deeper it got, the more pressure it had to take on. But with the poor construction, the carbon fiber has had enough stress from the previous tests and dives that it imploded from the pressure of deep sea.
Exactly what I was thinking of all that was going wrong really the pooper tosses soggy baby Ruth’s on everybody! Talk about a crappy situation! Sorry No pun intended.
Rush should have just not put in a toilet he really took every effort to discourage anyone to use it whatsoever. It's like the inside is totally wet anyway they coulda hosed it out
Nose-dive scenario and they would soak in the crap possibly head in first. Nose-ascend scenario and the contents of the toilet would be all over them. Either way a sh***y way to end it.
The recovered debris is surely going to have a clue as to where and how the failure started. But seeing that the titanium end caps are mostly intact, it almost surely was the CF hull cylinder, the cylinder end-rings or the adhesive joint in between. We will at least get to know how the final failure happened. I don't know if we will ever get to know what happened before that and how the passengers reacted to it.
This is the first explanation I’ve seen that 1-explains they started to fall BEFORE imploding 2- explains the suddenness of the descent as a reason for the implosion Everything else I’ve seen has it losing power, floating aimlessly for a moment, and then imploding, still in “upright” position. This makes way more sense
I am not an engineer. I am just a humble mechanic/tech. In drag racing they now use carbon fiber driveshafts. In high horsepower vehicles they produce insane torque and at times the driveshaft will twist and instantly destroy itself. Its possible it didnt fail from an implosion the way its has been described. But twisted first which eventually caused its destruction. Just my thoughts.
The titanium end caps were attached to the carbon fiber tube/hull with glue. Slapped on by hand in a garage. You can watch the manufacturing video online
Glass/Electronic compartments..... Back aft cap had a wall. Cracking sounds were coming from the rear. The carbon fiber hull ended above they're heads. The electronic compartments were supposed to equalize pressure and if fractured it would push oil through to stop a implosion. There's a huge glass sphere, behind end cap you can see in the Stockton video where he mentions "rhino liner" I think compartments fail, electronics shut down, they panicked in the dark, and try to move away from cracking of glass compartments, causing a rapid decent, imploding the compartments, and sub. A rapid decent is catastrophic in itself. All the compartments are missing and stockon says those compartments if not equalized could act like 17 tnt. If one valve got stuck on the several glass/electronic compartments. Underwater bomb. Let's not forget the glass was made to crack before giving way.
Updated video: ua-cam.com/video/TfAfnQD2m4k/v-deo.html
Non-submersible expert (but former flight student) here: Not discovering the thruster malfunction until you're at the farthest point from potential rescue is insane. Sounds like something mission critical you should absolutely and always check on the surface, pre-dive.
Imagining climbing Mt. Everest and not discovering until you're in sight of the summit the spare oxygen tank you're carrying--the one you need for the descent--is empty. 😯😵
Or the spare tank isn’t oxygen at all, but something else
The everest event, has alredy happened, leaving quite a #, of people STILL on Everest, or blown off it
@@suefergusson5351 Sadly true.
You picked a bad example with Everest. Rich idiots die on Everest summit attempts all the time because of dumb decisions like that.
The ultimate "oops" moment 🤷
When you can point to at least 6-7things that could have gone wrong, it certainly means the vessel was never sea worthy.
It was sea worthy....
Not dive worthy tho
I hope they didn't feel it.
@sernity1523 they didn't
So what you are saying you would barely trust this machine in a 12ft pool 😂 I agree
TBH no technology is ever going to be 100% unbreakable, even with a solid base of research and development and with inbuilt redundancies factored in.
That said, the Titan was an absolutely janky piece of junk that could have been better built by a class of fifth graders.
Fun fact: one of the customers was a cuber. He wanted to set a world record kn the lowest rubiks cube solve in the world. Unfortunately he did not do it. Thats why the video shows rubiks cube.
Poor kid. I wonder how he was planning to record and officialize that cube attempt? There's obviously no internet on the bottom of the ocean, and I doubt he was allowed to carry any recording equipment aboard. Then again, Stockton Rush already made 50 mistakes by the time their fate was sealed, so maybe he'd have been dumb enough to allow passengers additional unnecessary weights with them.
@@notenoughmemes1847 You're right. He was a legal adult. I had the statistic about our brains not being fully developed until around age 25 when I said "kid". The part of the brain that wouldn't yet be fully developed at 19 includes the pre-frontal cortex, which I believe regulates some higher level thinking like proper risk-assessment.
So no, not a child. But out of everyone aboard the Titan, I believe he is the least culpable in the eventual tragedy. Or, not at all culpable, really.
@@notenoughmemes1847 I just went and researched the issue to check the science, and I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. You're right - our brains are always developing - but the internal structures and cognitive changes that signify the shift from a "young brain" to an "adult brain" are measurable and distinct. Not saying I don't believe you - just saying that I've done some comprehensive research on the issue in response to your point and I'm not seeing anything that negates my point.
Perhaps you'd like to tell me where you found this info? I'm not challenging you, mind - I want to be right on this and so far I'm not seeing much that supports your claims.
@@notenoughmemes1847no it hasn't😂
The son who passed away in this incident, as well as his father, lived extremely close to me to the point where after the titan tragedy, we drove past their family home being emptied and have continually driven past it since the event occurred, a beautiful home that got gutted within a month and either sold on or no longer occupied. I feel so bad for him, from what I've seen he was pressured into taking his place on the titan as it was a "father's day gift" but he didn't actually WANT to do it - it was meant to be his mother who went down but she changed her mind and convinced him.
Getting yourself locked inside a homemade coffin, sinking to the bottom of the ocean, hearing someone taking a dump 2 feet away from you, smelling his shit, hearing constant cracking of the hull, and finally being atomized in a thousandth of a second. What an experience...
All this for only $250 000 !!!
And at the price of a home each. There is a karmic ghostly feel to this event. They werent going down there in the name of documentation and exploration, they went down there for tourism. I don't believe in ghosts but there is some dark energy down there. Stockton didn't respect that.
That’ll be $500,000
A fool and his/her money soon part ways; Bible proverbs 21
Well they got what they payed for
@@adamantium4797paid
The best description I’ve heard, “ A mousetrap for Billionaires “
Karl Stanley quote
So can we set politicians and dictators there?
"Was it always meant to be a deathtrap for rich people and was it worth it ?". If I were an asshole, I would say "yes, and yes" :)
Safe edgy
It wasn't the "sudden" change in pressure that killed them it was the pressure, period.
Using an online terminal velocity calculator I made a rough estimate of the sub, pointed perpendicular with density of seawater and mass of roughly 22,500 lbs, and the terminal velocity was approx. 25ft per second. One atm of pressure is applied every 33ft. So the "rush" to the bottom would have added additional 11PSI to the hull every second.
While this is significant, it isn't beyond what a properly built pressure container could withstand.
The point was, Titan never was a properly built pressure container. It was built with a material that basically had a shelf life. That pressure hull had a finite number of pressure cycles in it. And Oceangate failed to find out where that finite number existed. Instead, trying to rely on technology on telling them when the hull was "creaking" too much.
At the VERY minimum, Ocean gate should have taken the original Titan and continually dropped it down and brought it up to find out how many times the sub could be pressure cycled until failure.
Then you set the maximum number of allowable dives to be half that number.
And if Carbon Fiber requires you to build a new hull every 5 dives, then you pretty much realize it's not suitable for what you are doing.
This is it. Wish it was higher up in the comments.
Agree with what you have said.
Absolutely correct. But proper testing would require spending money and so gets cut. Techbro libertarian "rule-breaking outside-the-box innovation".
And if having to retire the hull after a handful of dives for safety considerations kills the economics than it's better to have no data telling you that so as to preserve the ego, vanity and delusional self-image.
Aren't the successful deep-sea subs always spheres, made of titanium? That is a shape that makes sense for resisting inward pressure. I'll never understand why anyone thought a cylinder with hemispheres at either end, made out of three dissimilar materials, was a good idea. No matter what those materials were, the stresses where they are joined have got to be enormous.
@@whatisbestinlife8112 they built a 1/3 scale model and tested it at the deepwater testing facility and at depth it imploded.
How in the hell could ones brain think that a guy bragging about using discount material for a deep sea expedition would be a good idea 😮
There was hardly anyone paying any attention to ocean gate besides other sub teams who had no authority to stop Stockton.
White people
Absolutely %110 a complete idiot. How this guy made it so far in life is past me. Daddy must have set him up
Might has well used strings
Yup, At this rate they'd been Better off using a dumpster as a Diving Vessel !💥BOOM, Fish Food !
We all know the sub imploded. No mystery there. The acoustic hydrophones scattered about that part of the Atlantic ocean can triangulate the location and depth of the implosion. They have the exact time as well. Based on when the sub lost communications with the mother ship and the implosion, the speed at which the sub descended can be calculated with some accuracy. So, there is a lot of information that can be used to put together a scenario. The critical event that led up to the implosion can be speculated and it won't be that far off from the truth. Conclusion: It was a shoddy made vehicle built by a miser that ended up killing him and four other people that should have known better than to crawl inside that thing and descend 12,500 ft. to the bottom of the ocean.
👏I second that
Egomaniac personified
You were being to kind calling him a miser, I would say there is only one word that describes him and that's an asshole
Exactly right
No doubts on this.
No other stories needed.....still i dunno why so many have their versions of explanation to distort truth.
Is it always like this in the West?
The fact they were sending them down 13000 feet when they were still building and testing the titan is crazy
Best part is they are viewing everything through a monitor anyway. Could have done that from the surface, what a stupid fucking waste.
even though they may not have felt the exact moment of death, the lead up to it had to be horrifying.
It's horrifying to even try to imagine what 19 minutes of sheer horror and hopeless they went through - torture!
exactly I dont care if its a portion or 1 mil second that feeling I never want to feel. EVERYBODY dies....im scared
Just dying way down their is crazy mind bottling
@@lovesphynxwhen death smiles at you, smile back.
This isn't accurate at all. They never fail to their death. There are tax transcripts of the communication between them and the people on the ship up top. The problem was when they were ascending they didn't have enough power. Thus they were at the depth below too long and the pressure caused the implosion. There was no freefall. This video is complete crap.
The fact, that in a previous dive, the propulsion was installed wrongly, is very disturbing & mindbugling. Prooves, there has been NO QM or double check in place at all, at least not by the time of that previous attempt.
I had never understood that bizzare thing myself, normally you would ensure the thrust is correct, in fpv quadcopter hobby for example this is a highly important step to verify that the thrust trajectories are all correct. Infact it is bizarre to imagine that they only figured this out when they got to the bottom, I would have thought some type of auto stabilization system would want those thrusters to be in the correct orientation! MORE QUESTIONS!
Mind-boggling... 😉
@@spikesteryo 😃 nice shout out to fpv brother ✊🤝
Inspiring engineers!
Aviva, I totally agree, do you remember robot wars? Where people would make robots out of anything they had? It reminds me of that, except this was people's lives. Love your butterfly avatars
These guys wanted to meet the Titanic, but they ended up meeting its passengers instead.
Poet
Epic.
No, not a mystery. Stockton messed up, mystery solved.
Stockton....Rushed the titan sub
So did your grandmother when she birthed the creature that your a** spawned from.
But we're not accusing you of getting people killed just because the news demonized you.
You A** baby
Rush didn't mess up, he was doing what he wanted with his own money.
His passengers messed up.
Sounds like you hate innovation. Stockton Crush will be considered a pioneer in smooshing billionaires under great pressures.
Spot on! Stockton was a narcissist and didn't care about other people's opinions. It was his way or the highway.
The only mystery is, at least to me, why would anyone with a minimum of common sense, get inside that tin can. What were they thinking, especially the dad , bringing his son with him. They did not sign a waiver . They signed their death certificates.
EGO
Waiver does no good. The dub ship wasnt registered anywhere on plsnet.
millionaires being too far up their asses to see
Question. Why do you smoke knowing cancer will catch up with you?
Is really strange because they can only see titanic remainings through a SCREEN. And they paid a lot of money. Not worth it.
I’m a HUGE titanic enthusiast but even I would never set foot in that suicidal tic tac
My God, how did it not register on anyone’s mind it looked a tic tac?! Guess you could say it was resembling a hard pill to swallow.
😂😂😂😂
Ты идиот, раз фанат этого бреда, без инжернерно-технического образования вам лучше не рассуждать на эту тему, иначе это выглядит глупым!
Tic. Tac…. Hmmmm I thought it resembled a suppository! Talk about clearing out your system! I’d never have gone in one…I’m afraid of the ocean. I can walk and wade along it, but the true size of it overwhelms me and also I’m claustrophobic.
Same here. I’ve found the Titanic fascinating since my parents bought me books on it when I was like seven. I would definitely jump at the chance to have a SAFE trip to see it, but there were so many red flags with the Titan submersible that I marvel at how it even happened.
I have to say, given how this guy took shortcuts on everything, I’m amazed it made it to the titanic without imploding. I’d think his first trip down would of been his last.
The fact the sub lasted that long untill it's final dive
If they had a replacement they should of decommissioned it
How tf is a billionaire so frugal about these things???
@@scienceteam9254 rich people are usually really greedy with their money.
It didn't make it to the titanic, it imploded before then.
@@scienceteam9254that’s how they make their money
By ignoring the experts and screwing people over
Usually they do it at our expense, rather then their own
Going to the bottom vertically at high speed in a black out was the worst situation, no way to escape after that.
Yeah it's pretty horrifying. The controls for the ballast release are at the top with nothing to grab on to to get up there.
The more I read about how badly designed the Titan was, the worse it gets...
0 empathy =0 humanity
@@jean-micheldumay3409no. Not having empathy for these billionaires is perfectly normal. They aren’t the standard people and the all paid GOOD money. Money of the likes well never see in one spot. Ever. Yet you want people to feel empathy for these idiots? Not happening.
@@jean-micheldumay3409 how is this person not being empathetic?
No one can even imagine this nightmare. Absolutely horrifying situation when they realized they have no chances and going to die that way
I'd read a report about this and they included the transcript from inside the submersible. It seems that Rush (and his passengers) knew there was a problem (sounds of the hull weakening) and started to try and bring the Titan to the surface. The transcript revealed that Rush was upset that the sub was rising very slowly, much slower than anticipated. From what I remember about this transcript, the scenario went on for much longer than two minutes.
You are correct. It went on for 19 minutes. This theory about losing power and the sub in freefall is wrong.
@@DrSeuss-nv9hw Thank you! Well, whoever concocted up this video, really went full speed ahead with the storyline. The animation of the passengers all jumbled together in the nose was a bit over the top.
@@rightlyso8507...The leaked transcript clearly shows what happened. This is typical of a lot of people today, though. Just ignore facts and make up a more entertaining fantasy.
@@rightlyso8507 Yep the vertical free-fall animation is pure fiction. The transcript of text communications between Stockton Rush and the Polar Prince 'mother ship' tells the story pretty clearly. We can assume that transcript is genuine, as it hasn't been challenged by Oceangate.
Following the alarms sounding (indicating an issue with the hull), Stockton Rush aborted the dive - though by that time, they were almost at the Titanic site. The submersible dropped ballast to return to the surface. But Rush stated that the sub wasn't rising fast enough, so in addition he jettisoned the metal frame surrounding the Titan too.
Soon after that they lost comms, and Titan fell silent. It now transpires the Navy picked up the sound of the implosion at that time, so they did in fact know exactly what had happened to the vessel and its 5 occupants (as James Cameron confirmed after the tragedy was announced).
Which begs the question why did they perpetuate the farce, over several days/media conferences, that the sub must be found before its occupants ran out of oxygen?
The alarm system designed to warn of an issue with the Titan was a total farce. It sounded around 2 hours into the dive - so it would take another 2 hours to return to the surface and safety, by which time, as we know, the mystery issue had caused an implosion.
So while it's true the five occupants had mercifully speedy deaths, there was a prior period of concern and crisis inside the vessel, and that's very sad.
One interesting fact to emerge from the transcript, is the speed at which the Titan descended that fateful day - far too quickly. The mother ship was supposed to be monitoring the Titan's performance, including its rate of descent. Yet it appears they never once told Rush it was diving too fast. It may even have been an uncontrolled descent, due to unidentified damage which later caused disaster.
Had the Polar Prince picked up on the issue of speed during the first 30-40 mins of the dive and aborted it, they could potentially averted tragedy.
@@glamdolly30 Thanks for the detailed accounting of the final moments of the submersible! I'd not heard of the Navy capturing the sound of it's implosion - wow! Yeah, the entire countdown of finding the sub before the oxygen ran out. The news of the sub's demise was delayed and timed to come out for political reasons. Instead of talking about how Hunter Biden admitted to two felonies:the tax case and the gun case, they felt it better to concentrate on the whereabouts of the submarine.
Fortunately for me my claustrophobia would have prevented me from climbing in that thing to begin with.
Same.
Me too . Plus im 6’5
For me it’s also lack of funds. See? Being poor is sometimes good for your health!
My thasallaphobia would never even allow me to set foot on the boat to get to the dive spot.
Common sense is enough to avoid it at all costs
The CEO got the ultimate "Your reap what you sow" moment. I wish no one else was there with him, especially a young boy.
Imagine lying on top of each other at the nose of it, slowly falling to the ocean's bottom, probably hearing hull making creaking sounds and realizing that you are about to die very very soon.
Oh dear 😯
probably in pitch black darkness too
Nah
@@vap8978 Either in pitch black darkness, or if one of the passengers had their phone they were shining their light. But still absolutely terrifying nightmarish.
It wasn't slowly falling once the electric failure of a engine used for thrust it got unbalanced and nose dived like a stone to the bottom horrific
The ultimate “I know my car” type of dude.
Don't be silly, the lions are completely tame
bruh
Such as when Clark Griswold got the car stuck in the archway in that German village when fleeing the angry mob. 🤣
It's like Jesse and Walt with the RV from breaking bad.
That is an insult to "I know my car" guys.
James Cameron is the only person on this planet that I would be comfortable visiting the Titanic. In a sub he designed. Perfectionist
As an engineer, it hurts my heart how this marvel of state-of-the-art engineering vanished forever deep in the sea with an unforgiving implosion, shredding it into pieces.
What submarine? I was talking about the Logitech F710 wireless controller.
Nah, the controller is fine (though the salt water has likely corroded the electronics to shit.). They found the thing chilling on the ocean floor, fully intact.
@@alaeriia01did they actually?? If so, today’s controllers have terrible durability.
@@Rashed1255 To be fair, it's likely the thing was ejected out the window cap, and immediately filled with water. Since pressure inside now equals pressure outside, it sank down and landed on the ocean floor. I can guarantee it won't ever work again, but the shell is intact.
😂😂😂
One of the cheapest controllers for PC he could have used. Famous for analog stick drift and horrible deadzones. There are so many other controllers he could have used other than a 30 dollar budget PC gamepad.
I didn’t believe they didn’t know at some point they were in danger but this is much worse than expected. Thank you for your work.people need to be held accountable.
The man most accountable was onboard. Too bad he wasn't the only person on his moronic sub.
Instant death they didn’t even feel any pain, relax.
@@benhartart9487you are a disgusting person!
@@benhartart9487the horror of falling down thousands of meters into the ocean, knowing that a unimaginable pressure is building in the outside that will crush you in a split second once the vessel inevitably fails....
Not to mention being stacked upon each other like that, probably using all their strength to struggle.
That's torturous.
@@carlpanzram7081 Why you gotta word it like that, I feel horrible 😢
One of the few explanations that correctly shows the sharp angle of the Titan piling up everyone in a heap at the window.
Rush was a narcissist with a "delution of grandeur" so great that he ignored all those who worked in his team (one whom he sacked one the spot) and ignored others who were giving serious concern on the overall design and safety of this vessel. This was not subject to strict safety regulations because it operated in international waters, giving Rush carte blanche to carry on with his amazing "inovation" ideas to be fulfilled without any outside interferance. This was a catastrophic disaster waiting to happen. My heart goes out to the adventerous victims who lost their lives!
Money blurred his view on what would happen
He didn't just sack his engineer who raised red flags, he also sued him after firing him. Then he had to pay the piper.
'delusion'....
I doubt that "adventure" was the main attraction of this ride. More bragging rights by entitled wealthy people. Bye Bye
Sounds like a real arsehole and now murderer,,, his ignorance was the whole matter✌️
Perhaps only one or two in the Titan knew in their hearts and brain what was about to happen. The others probably were concerned on how they would be rescued once on the sea floor. Those that had concern of rescue may have reasoned that since this sub had reached such depths before, implosion was not part of their fundamental knowledge or cognizance.
Moron
They knew they will implode for at least 15min because they heard the loud cracks in the carbon fiber hull and the real time hull monitoring system was on red alarm for 15 minutes or longer, don't remember now how long exactly. The video here is not right, they had no blackout and they didn't fall straight to the floor. They just went down too fast in 1:45 hours and were to heavy and had struggled to ascend again. The CF hull had probably cracks from the beginning and water was coming in and made them heavier. They imploded around 400m above the sea flor and not at bottom.
They didn’t even make it to the seafloor, they imploded within the water column, in other words, they didn’t even make it to the titanic, they were about 10,000 feet down when they lost contact with the mothership meaning the power went out, the tracking system was in its own pressure hall meaning it was still able to be tracked, even though that the power ran out, but as soon as the tracking system stopped working, that basically indicated that the sub was disintegrated into nothing, they didn’t even make it to the ocean floor, all five of them knew that the sub was about to implode, James Cameron even said that they released the ballastfrom the sub in order to come back to the surface, so that obviously indicates that they “knew” that something was about to happen to them
@@DerexLuvsJenkinsdon’t you think they almost made it to the titanic but after they had to go back up
@@Garage_Distinct_Clips they made it 10,000 feet down, then they started experiencing problems with the carbon fiber hall, they were trying to resurface, but obviously, you’re doomed either way because 10,000 feet is damn near 2 miles below the ocean, they were probably the length of the Burj Khalifa away from the titanic when it imploded which is roughly 2000 feet give or take.
I fully believe Stockton Rush wanted to be remembered forever, so he did something that would solidify that.
What's the mystery? The Titan sub was made of materials known to be inadequate for such pressures... Nevermind any other faults that only may have made the inevitable happen sooner.
Carbon fiber is strong, but it's fiber. It might be strong when it is exposed to vertical force, but it's weakness could be lateral force, and vice versa. It really depends on the direction of the fibers.
My ex had a carbon fiber hood on his car and although strong it is also very weak under pressure. There is no crumble it goes from whole to complete split! No in between. These people didn’t stand a chance once it was weakened.
@@citizencoy4393true dat
It's compression vs tension - CF works well in tension but very poorly in compression as in the case with a submersible pressure vessel.
Every time i hear about this, i just feel heartbroken for the young boy and his mother, who has to live without him.
I'd originally hoped in the very beginning of the whole "Titan implosion" ordeal that the passengers onboard had no idea they were in danger and it's unfortunate that it just wasn't the case. I actually remember when I first heard that Ocean Gate was taking tourists down to the Titanic wreck site so I looked it up and knew the second I saw the Titan submersible that there was no way in hell it wouldn't eventually end in the loss of lives.
it's not the form, it's the engineering quality, the materials used, things you couldn't possibly tell just by looking. the cameron submersible also had a large round viewport, so it's not that. it' the pressure rating of said viewport. also the fact that they didn't want to hire qualified and competent individuals because they were "boring" and "white", so you can show off your diverse team of woman engineers.
@@cagneybillingsley2165lol wtf why are you bringing some kind of anti woke thing to it? Stockton was the rich straight white cis male entirely at fault here. That's it. Experts told him it wasn't safe and was unclassed and he had ego trip after ego trip, where is this woke bullshit you're triggered about? You literally just made up a bunch of women of color in your head and then got mad at them. You're a joke lmao.
@@cagneybillingsley2165 nah it was the form too. they chose to go with a cylindrical hull instead of a tried-and-tested sphere, which would have evenly distributed the crazy amounts of pressure at those depths. and like you rightly pointed out, the materials used. also the fact that they chose to mix 2 different materials, carbon fibre and titanium, which would have behaved differently and possibly created microcracks
Those unfortunate passengers and idiot owner never heard of Murphy’s law
@@ramtosantosa7661Screw Murphy's Law, I follow Ginsburg's Law. It simply states "Murphy was an optimist".
The only one i feel bad for is the kid he was just trying to be a good son
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I heard when that lost all power that the TITAN did a nose dive&was sinking fast until the inward blast vaporized their azz.That had to be horrible&I agree the 19yr.son wasnt even suppose to be on the Titan but at the last second the mom coward out&man the son feel like he had to go with it being fathers day ect&He went knowing in his gut he felt it was a one way trip&he figured he's take his Rubik's Cube and make a record of working tje cube at the deepest sealevel to date but I he still made a record at the deepest a Rubiks cube imploded.
@@kevinroark5024 his fat ass mom is a lying bitchh she knew it was going to implode that’s y she didn’t go
@@kevinroark5024 …What??? Was this google translated? 🤔
No, he wanted to go. He even brought a rubiks cube to set a new record lol.
The biggest flaw of the titan submersible? It's owners ego.
Why it imploded is not a mystery, it was too much pressure on an experimental design that reached and passed it's "use by" date.
Yes... very true! EVERYTHING has a reasonable life expectancy.
@@majorwedgie8166 By simply wrapping the core of a toilet roll in carbon fibre, you can demonstrate it's enormous TENSILE strength, showing that you cannot burst it from the inside. Then you can just crush it from the outside with your bare hands. The only crush strength was from the epoxy, but since it contained air bubbles, they would progressively collapse from the outside on every dive cycle, reducing it's strength to that of a soggy sponge. A far better solution would have been to start off with 2 titanium cylinders of half inch thickness, leaving a 5 inch gap when they were placed one inside the other. These could have been continuously welded into slots machined into the end caps. The cavity could have been evacuated and it's ability to retain a vacuum verified. Using a mixing nozzle and sealed connections to the vacuumed cylinders, the entire cavity could have been filled with high strength low modulus epoxy and left to cure for a few weeks. The whole thing would have needed to be on end and slightly tilted, with injection at the lowest point and vacuum at the highest. A window tank at the top, would have verified complete filling. Needless to say, the epoxy would have needed to be retarded, to allow time for filling before curing commenced. This method, using conical removable cones, was used to construct the single piece nose radome of Concorde. Throughout the life of the aircraft they never had a failure. Perhaps the most important factor, is that regular ultrasonic testing could have been performed. The titanium outer shell would have also given good damage resistance and clearly visible marks of any impact.
Fossit originally designed it before he died. He intended to only use it 1 time
This is the sixt time i read this comment
@@XaetaCore If you were referring to my reply, did you agree with it,? LOL
I don't see this as a lesson in engineering, but rather, a lesson in management. I can confidently assume that the issues they encountered were solvable, if only they were acknowledged. If you remember kids and teens in the rebelious phase that think of safety as of a sign of weakness, this CEO seemed the same.
Looking at how tiny the sub is, in the vast ocean, sends chills through me!
Man… I knew they must’ve known at some point. But I PRAYED this was a split second thing and they didn’t realize how dire the situation was. Hearing this breaks my heart. Knowing they were likely WELL aware of how bad things were and must’ve been terrified… Jesus.
The CEO made a comment about not hiring 50 year old submariners from any Navy. As a Silent Service Vet, there is no way I would have boarded that death trap and most likely neither would my experienced mates.
Brian weed then name explains everything
he wanted diversity, not competence. many such cases
As a younger guy who saw all the 50+ year olds get laid off at his company... We need 50 year olds.
If I had been the CEO, I would have only hired 50 year old submariners from the Navy.
@@cagneybillingsley2165can you explain a little further about there being diversity hires?
this is fantastic, I am amazed I didn't see this earlier this is so well produced and the animations are quality. I've watched some professional documentaries on this which did not touch on the earlier failures a quarter as well as you did.
So you had to lean over the crapper to look out the window???
You pay $250,000 to sit and look out a hole maybe a foot in diameter while smelling a chemical toilet full of someone's crap. Yes, they had to lean over the crapper to look out the window of the outhouse for $250,000 each.
@@TirarADeguello If that scenario presented is correct they also all imploded together in the crapper. If true this would be shot down as a movie for being too on the nose.
A shit show of doom in every sense possible.
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Omg
If someone did a number 2 in that small space, I would be pissed.
For 250K they should have been able to drop duce right on Stockton Crush's smug face
@@johnmike121 For 250k each. I would have a go at building a submarine myself. It would be X Ray welded steel at least. No glue and carbon.
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Imagine doing a n2 while you see the Titanic haha
Snapping it off and the bow section suddenly appears.@@carlospereiravazquez1032
Had the counter weights on the skids of the vessel been rigged to slide off if the vessel went into a nose down attitude which is what apparently happened the weights would have fallen off when a nose down attitude was reached , however they did not fall off but slid toward the nose increasing the rate of decent . Oops ...... Stockton was reckless at best and a murderer at worse . 8:05
An auto-engage safety measure that uses zero external mechanical or electronic inputs, just the plain old physics is actually a very smart idea indeed. You have to test it tho, to make sure that it works
Although, how would the weights be released without tipping the nose down when they had to ?
@@DCFTW68 You could have decoupled the sled or multiple smaller sleds, instead of decoupling the weights themselves.
You probably think you're an intelligent person too 🤦
How does the orientation of the craft affect its decent? I don’t think that’s how it works
It’s sad but not much of a mystery. Water is heavy. You need to use materials strong enough to handle that. Rip, especially the teenager who got on board probably trusting his dad
Yep, basically water pressure.
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I can't imagine having second thoughts halfway down and then suddenly the power dies
I'm not an engineer, so I can just imagine what happened based on what it has been made public. IMHO, it was not an electrical failure what caused the quick dive and final implosion of the Titan. Surely it was the very last thing which happened before implosion. But the uncontrolled dive and the electrical failure it likely were due to the carbon fiber hull, which was bending under the pressure after several dives in which progressive delamination occurred. As the hull was giving way under the increasingly higher sea pressure (firstly unnoticeably, then with sounds only detected by the RTM system and finally with increasingly louder, terrifying bangs), the submersible displaced less water while weighing the same, hence it did lose buoyancy beyond what the release of ballast could compensate. The electrical failure likely it was due to the same reason, perhaps some cables were cut or stretched out in the process.
Wonderful animation!! Loved it. Also the first time I've heard that they may have nose-dived, causing no ability to control. Crazy stuff.
If Martin’s theory is correct that was an extremely long 48 to 71 seconds for the five to endure. Titan seems clearly to have been an accident waiting to happen.
They would have been lying on top of each other at the bottom of the cone, packer like sardines.
@@wishtheworldwasdifferent8235its sad but natural selection's just doing its job
There's more to the story than we'll ever know.
Billionaires are fucking stupid.
There, now you know.
I love your graphics, beautifully done!🥰
I think we'll find out what happened to Titan.
No matter the exact cause, Stockton Rush is entirely responsible for the deaths.
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"stick around until the end of the video" otherwise he looses a few cent!
the graphic was wrong too, he showed an explosion not an implosion, btw, the c-fibre and cylindrical form was the cause!
Stockton Rush was the cause. Stockton Rush was a murderer. @@Ezekiel903
Stockn Rush rushed to his fate...
I disagree with the Titan nosediving! It had plenty of things wrong with it, but balance didn't seem to be one of them. They shut power off and descend without any thrusters!
Weren't they acending? They were reporting that they were, then loss of contact ,so how could they be in a nose dive?
@@janetphillips2875 This nose dive is just wild speculation and clickbait. Whether they were aware of what was about to happen and started an emergency ascending is of yet uncertain. We'll know for sure once the investigation is over. Personally I believe that the carbon fiber cylinder had delaminated to such a degree it came to a critical point where it just gave away without any prior warning. If the warning system worked as intended then maybe they got some indication a few seconds prior but I'm not convinced such a system would have been able to detect a carbon fiber cylinder about to lose its structural integrity.
I don't think there was a nose dive. This video was created a while ago and has since been republished I suspect. The video description sets something like that out.
@johnmike121 You hope it *wasn’t* instantaneous?
One man, in I believe Argentina, came up with a theory that for some reason they crowded to the front and it nose dived, and since then almost every scenario on youtube has it nose diving, even though it doesn't make any sense why they would crowed together at the port, and no evidence exists to corroborate it .
That thumbnail looks like they're playing Twister...it's good to know they were having fun in their last moments... and I know I probably shouldn't joke about them and I do feel bad for them but not near as bad as countless others who lost their lives after being tricked and having no idea of the danger awaiting them but in this disaster they knew and chose to go anyway
Love the graphics..very interesting..answered a lot of questions..great job👍🏽
I always had a feeling from the very beginning that no, they just did not died instantaneously and no not know what happened.. they must have been so frightened when the thrusters we're not working properly and the screens and technical gear we're not making proper contact with above sea. In my opinion they knew they were going to die.. although other people in the submersible world had contacted Ocean gate there were citizens who put their trust in Ocean gate for that dive. The more I hear how much the Ocean gate was reported and contacted the more it makes me so angry that they still did that. I know that many submersibles go down below ocean and it is kind of a thing now and maybe even more popular in the future. Of course there would be risk, but how oceangate treated that disgust me.
"they felt nothing" is a common phrase told after accidents when it's never true
@@johnmike121You known that an implosion happens within 3 nanoseconds or less, and it takes 13 for the brain to register anything, right? They don't feel anything.
Sorry for My English, not my first.
You want this to happen because people like you love thinking that others suffer. Most probably they didn’t understand anything and they died instantly!
@@johnmike121Most probably they died instantly! People like you love seeing others suffer! Well, it’s not the case here!
@@orlandomejia6818 I think they are talking about the time leading up to, (before), the implosion. Any amount of time before the implosion, knowing they were going to die had to be horrifying and tortuous.
The mental fear and torture would be unimaginable also combined with the claustrophobic feeling of being trapped in complete darkness and not being able to breath or even move. Not even enough room to freak out in that thing and have a panic attack just trapped
I will never understand how anyone in their right mind would ever want to do something like this, especially pay to do it. They all knew how dangerous the risks were. You know their gut was telling them the whole time not to go, just wish they would have listened to their intuitions. Rip!
Millionaires think they are invincible!
@mipmipmipmipmip you aint becomming a billionaire either 🤡
The signed waiver should have included “possible deposit, but no return and no refund”. I felt sorry for the 19 year old who lost his life due to stupidity of others. RIP
Heck, a person of this age should be able to do basic research on the craft he is going to ride to extreme depths. The whole concept of carbon fiber hull (and videos of manufacturing thereof - no clean room, and from what I saw fibers were rolled on like in a spool, not at different angles in successive layers), the epoxy interface per se, how it was applied (literally smeared by hand), comms problems, controllers used, unrated porthole, multiple materials with different properties (carbon/titanium/plexiglass/epoxy), the list goes on.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see it was suboptimal.
I see it as autodarwination. Harsh but true.
He also wanted to get in there in order to solve Rubik’s Cube next to titanic and win a place in Guinness World Records! He is not that “innocent”.
He had already been on there with his father over a year ago,it was supposed to be his wife but he really wanted to go again, so the mother and father let him go instead of the mother, but he had taken the trip once before ,so he knew exactly what he was getting into,sad so young though
Even though imploding is a quick and painless death, knowing for almost 60 seconds prior that you’re going to be crushed to death is terrifying.
3:54 I don’t think the issue with the noise was related to the thrusters. Was it the carbon fiber starting to fail?
Yes.
Pretty sure he meant to slip that quote a bit later when he talks about crew experiences noises on a dive. Which were most likely caused by the carbon fiber breaking down.
Absolutely correct. That thing was delaminating from the beginning.
Where do you think the screens were bolted on to ?
We now know it wasn’t the carbon fibers fault as much as the adhesive they used to seal the titanium and carbon fibers together that adhesive they used literally was ate up by the pressure after many dives
I fail to see how loosing power would have caused the sub to tilt vertically when there was no electrical driven mechanism designed to keep the craft horizontal. The fixed under structure and weights seemed to be designed to keep the vessel horizontal regardless. I think that part of the theory needs further explanation.
Yea I don't get this guy at all... is he some xpert or just avg yt who.thinks he is? Seems to the latter....
@ACloudyDay22 mass doesn't effect descent speed as much as density. You didn't account for friction, though. While the effect is magnified in this example, a skydiver can change their speed based on body position. A neutral, belly-down position has a 200 km/h terminal velocity. By changing to head down and reducing friction, terminal velocity increases to >250 km/h.
The animation of the Titan plummeting nose first, is pure fiction. The leaked transcript of messages between the sub and the mother ship, explains what happened.
I was going to ask the same thing, it seems more likely that it simply imploded at a certain point after the hull was weakened over multiple dives.
They're fake and have been easily disproven @@glamdolly30
From the pictures of the recently released debri field it looks like the forward dome and interface ring was where the failure occurred. The forward dome was some distance away from the rest of the debris and was intact except for the porthole plexiglass. The aft dome and tail section were found together with the remains of the carbon fiber crammed into the aft hemisphere of the dome. This suggests the pressure came from the forward dome pushing back to the aft. That would have popped the porthole out of its mount and the forward dome off the rest of the sub.
Even the submersible made entirely from titan and shaped more like the bowl is not recommended for multiple diving missions, and, as James Cameron said, must be carefully examined before every repeated use and technically proven for eventually undertaken mission. This awful event seems more like a trap for those richmen who are driven by their irrational passion and therefore being unaware how someone's greed can easily contribute to horrific death in darkness of unfriendly depths of the ocean. The best constructed submersibles are however limited in safe multiple use due to extreme forces they are exposed to and therefore slightly damaged after every mission to such depths.
I've been saying all along with the do gooders saying it was instantaneous and they didn't know that they were aware of something going wrong before instantly being popped like big zits. There was creaking, there was leaking, there was groaning as it neared its crush depth. They certainly experienced some fear or terror before it was all over.
ominous sounds, perhaps. but i doubt there'd be visible leaks, because implosions happen way faster than that, in a millisecond
@@extrasoap4881 I agree. Sounds, yes. Prior passengers had reported crackling sounds previously towards the back left I believe. A “leak” absolutely not. In anything that has a pressure differential that drastic, it will happen faster than the human brain can process it. If they had a crack on the surface, yeah it would visibly leak. Under hundreds of lbs of pressure from all sides? Nope, you’re done for. As soon as that pressure vessel is no longer “pressurized”, meaning not sealed off entirely from the surrounding environment, it’s instantaneous.
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No such thing as leaks. At those depths, so. Microscopic crack means instant death
Hilarious, you’re on the outside in another sub and see the Titan go by and someone’s taking a shit. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The entire search was such a media charade. They knew where it was the entire time.
Lol the knocking on the windows recordings had me laughing
@@sabbath1136 I'd just like to ask the search party. Why the bullshit charade? You knew they were all dead with the acoustic anomaly that everyone in the marine industry heard.
What’s worse than passing away in a deep sea implosion? Spending your last minutes with all your crew mates piled on top of you in the toilet. You know someone didn’t go before they were all bolted up in there.
If this was really the scenario before it imploded, this is undoubtedly 100 times more terrifying... We all were hoping atleast they didn't even realize wtf was happening but damn ....Now the only good thing about this WHOLE situation is that they didn't feel pain.. They would have certainly felt FEAR 100000% but 0 pain.... sigh
I didn't know the toilet was in the front! Imagine having to wait to look out because one of the otbers was on the hopper
Ikr it is so freaking weird 😂😮
A great example of whatever can go wrong will go wrong eventually.
As far as whether they will solve the mystery: I’ve read countless NTSB investigations. For one plane incident, they discovered that something was attached with metric instead of an imperial screws - barely any difference but enough to cause a deadly plane crash. I feel pretty confident they’ll be able to figure this one out.
Like finally using the metric system?
Everyone is an Expert in Submersible designs now.
Except they can’t pronounce the names of the parts correctly.
Everytime the hatch was opened there was more pressure on the c rings and epoxy glue.
Towing that thing on a clumsy raft into the Atlantic would have no doubt exposed the connection between the titanium interface ring and the aft mounted accessory “bundle” for want of a better description to a multitude of abnormal/asymmetric loads that were never modeled when this thing the so called “Titan” was being assembled, no less designed.
Same goes for the loading on the fwd interface ring that the front dome was hinged off. It would have made far better engineering sense to hinge the dome centrally either swinging it upwards or down so as to minimize the torsional load on that interface ring.
Then to boot these guys decided to use the same interface ring as a lifting point for hoisting the thing. Who in their right mind would fix lifting pints to a critical component like that. It’s like jacking a 747 under the engine pylons, as opposed to specific points on the airframe that are designed to spread the load of the forces concentrated in that area, and it’s never a critical failure point.
How about a lifting cradle that supported the ship unloaded and put all the lifting force onto no critical pressure vessel points.
And, cantilevering all that gear off the rear interface connection/ring then slamming it around in the Atlantic for a few days to save a few bucks on the cost of the mothership could possibly have set up the failure mechanic that brought this whole sad Sham-sub undone. Interesting to observe the rear accessory section was retrieved fairly….. relatively intact, damaged but not blasted to bits by a high energy implosion. It’s not totally smashed which you’d think it would be if it was still attached inline with the pressure chamber when the implosion occurred. On a hunch, due to fatigue/abnormal loading on the journey to Titanic site as a result of the rough conditions, the aft section separated at the top fixing and swung/cantilevered down, pulling the vessel into an aft first plunge toward the ocean bed. The rest is history. In a sad irony, the aft section of the mighty Titanic broke away from the fwd section as it was hoisted into the sky unsupported by the ocean. The aft accessory section of the Titan when unsupported by the ocean and being shaken, rattled and slapped across a few hundred miles of the Atlantic making its way to the wreck site, set up the conditions for the ultimate failure of the ship once it headed for the ocean bed. The same ocean bed that’s no place for 50 year old white guys.
How about them glass electronic compartments? That one sphere that's missing from wreckage.
Glass starts fracturing
Cause electrical failure
Passengers panicked in dark, moved to front causing rapid decent, and the boxs totally failed or the sub finally imploded.
The way it was towed I think is the least of worries. Any force in transport is miniscule to the forces 1/16 of the way down.
Look at the video he mentions rhino liner and the explanation on the glass oil compartments.
Totally overlooked
The aft cap was walled off so if the hull was the starting point it be happening all around them above they're heads.
I searched the comments for this very comment. Beautiful put. Concise. Colorful. You need to write for any number of media outlets. All the best
The Titan was towed out to the Titanic on its launch sled through rough sea. Not on the bow as depicted in your thumb nail. This is now 1 of the areas being looked at as a possible time the Titan may have experienced damage.
They even had the platform hung on a fishing line at one point! Reports said it started pulling the platform underwater!
6:20
He brings up that point in the video. Watch until the end.
The body contracts and expands under pressure doing this over multiple cycles aka going down an up again like an airplane is what degrades the material thats a fact but waves could ruin it to i guess but thats just a question the non question is the fact it compresses an decompresses just like an airplane thats why planes have certain numbers of hours , how many takeoffs an landings, how old the material is etc as standards. These standards would make it a tiny bit safer but its still a cheap piece of crap experiment sub not a plane an woulda blew up at some point lol
How can this comment have 70 likes? This is clearly pointed out in the video.
Based on other people’s accounts of leading up to Titan’s implosion, it seems more theorized that the faulty method Oceangate used to form the tube of the submersible was bound to not last. The reality is that it was the design of the sub from the first step that was bound to have it weaken faster than other subs for trying to turn this into a tourist trap (no pun intended). All other subs mainly use spheres, not a spherical that has a weakness of pressure point in the middle and not in a balanced place like most spheres have.
So many warning signs is astounding. It doesn’t matter how rich you are to take the trip to this extraordinary wreck but just by researching this sub should be enough to say no. You cannot keep diving to these extremes depths without certified maintenance as is shown by past multiple dives by Ballard,Cameron etc . May their souls RIP.
The fact they felt the craft falling for 70 seconds is PETRIFYING. I don’t feel sorry for the CEO whatsoever. How do you not even have a checklist on the craft? Worse yet , the craft was guided by a video Game controller 🎮 that needed to be troubleshooted IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DEEP OCEAN. That’s unbelievable
Most military submarines use controllers
i know nothing about the mechanics behind subs, but i think that most people complaining about the video game controller don’t know anything, either. i’d say the worst part about the video game controller was the fact it was only powered by _bluetooth,_ but i can’t say that for sure.
Eh?NOT XBOX CONTROLLERS@@ChristopherDoesStuff2
@@davidgammie1310 not Xbox, but a controller
On the article they misspelled Aboard, and The. They spelled the like this, (ithe). This has got to be a fake article. Time is 0:30
Is a short time of terror better or worse than slowly running out of oxygen? Horrifying whichever one. One person is to blame Rush!
I can almost guarantee they already know what happened. We might never be told for many reasons like, future projects and legal liabilities. They had tons of monitoring and cameras on what happened.
"Tons" he says...
THE TITAN SUB WAS WHAT WE CALL IN THE MOTOR TRADE A "CUT & SHUT JOB" WHICH IS WHEN YOU TAKE TWO OR MORE VEHICLES & YOU WELD THEM TOGETHER TO MAKE A NEW VEHICLE WHICH IS ASKING FOR TROUBLE ! ! !🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
I think you made an interesting and excellent video, thanks.
The vertical free-fall animation is pure fiction. The transcript of text communications between Stockton Rush and the Polar Prince 'mother ship' tells the story pretty clearly. We can assume that transcript is genuine, as it hasn't been challenged by Oceangate.
Following the alarms sounding (indicating an issue with the hull), Stockton Rush aborted the dive - though by that time, they were almost at the Titanic site. The submersible dropped ballast to return to the surface. But Rush stated that the sub wasn't rising fast enough, so in addition he jettisoned the metal frame surrounding the Titan too.
Soon after that they lost comms, and Titan fell silent. It now transpires the Navy picked up the sound of the implosion at that moment, so they did in fact know exactly what had happened to the vessel and its 5 occupants (as James Cameron confirmed soon after official confirmation of the tragedy).
Which begs the question why did they perpetuate the myth, over several days and media conferences, that the submersible must be found before its occupants ran out of oxygen?
The alarm system designed to warn of an issue with the Titan was a total farce. It sounded around 2 hours into the dive - so it would take another 2 hours to return to the surface and safety, by which time, as we know, the mystery issue had caused an implosion.
One interesting fact to emerge from the transcript, is the speed at which the Titan descended that fateful day - far too quickly. The mother ship was supposed to be monitoring the Titan's performance, including its rate of descent. Yet they never once told Rush it was diving too fast. It may even have been an uncontrolled descent, due to unidentified damage which later caused disaster.
Had the Polar Prince crew picked up on the issue of speed during the first 30-40 minutes of the dive and aborted it, they could potentially averted tragedy.
While the 5 men had a speedy death, the transcript revealed the prior period of crisis and mounting concern inside that glorified Coke can, as the alarms sounded. Heart breaking.
Likely they didn’t want to expose the precision of their marine surveillance capabilities without going through certain channels of approval first, pretending a rescue was even theoretically possible was a way to plausibly deny having detected anything before they got official permission to reveal their findings.
The communication method was very primitive and slow. It was way too verbose for essentially small character texting.
You really should be more skeptical of what you see on the internet.
That's crushing to hear it.
Impressive animation, great work
It’s not new shocking evidence but well done for the excellent graphics 👏
If I remember right i think in the 1920s there was a proponent for zeppelins who said, in criticism of airplanes, “would you get into a boat that is kept afloat only by the movement of its engine?” Honestly seeing this, that can probably be modernized to “would you get into a boat that is only kept afloat by its electronics?”
If the oceangate submersible and the boeing max 8s can teach us anything, its that making a design thats fully electronic and software reliant, with no manual or analog backups, is a death sentence.
Please explain.
When you look at the position of the thrusters i fail to see how them no longer working due to battery failure, would make the craft nose dive.
(Unless something else needed power to keep the craft stable.)
You would need at least one more thruster for the crafts pitch (nose "up/down") else the craft had to be stable as is, maybe via ballast.
What am i missing?
Likely they were all near the front dome and shift in weight caused it to turn like that. Idk why I still even care but I do oddly
I think that when the titan started falling outta control, the deeper it got, the more pressure it had to take on. But with the poor construction, the carbon fiber has had enough stress from the previous tests and dives that it imploded from the pressure of deep sea.
No fucking shit
Imagine being a father and allowing your son to even set foot in that death trap of a submarine.
Gosh, I hope nobody used that toilet beforehand.
With the sub tipping like that the contents would've definately spilled out. 😮
Exactly what I was thinking of all that was going wrong really the pooper tosses soggy baby Ruth’s on everybody! Talk about a crappy situation! Sorry No pun intended.
When shit hits the fan.....
Rush should have just not put in a toilet he really took every effort to discourage anyone to use it whatsoever. It's like the inside is totally wet anyway they coulda hosed it out
Nose-dive scenario and they would soak in the crap possibly head in first. Nose-ascend scenario and the contents of the toilet would be all over them. Either way a sh***y way to end it.
The recovered debris is surely going to have a clue as to where and how the failure started. But seeing that the titanium end caps are mostly intact, it almost surely was the CF hull cylinder, the cylinder end-rings or the adhesive joint in between. We will at least get to know how the final failure happened. I don't know if we will ever get to know what happened before that and how the passengers reacted to it.
This is the first explanation I’ve seen that
1-explains they started to fall BEFORE imploding
2- explains the suddenness of the descent as a reason for the implosion
Everything else I’ve seen has it losing power, floating aimlessly for a moment, and then imploding, still in “upright” position. This makes way more sense
Impressionnant. Merci !
If it actually did happen like this,it would of been the most fucked death ever 😰
What does that mean?
you would have only felt fear nothing else
I am not an engineer.
I am just a humble mechanic/tech.
In drag racing they now use carbon fiber driveshafts.
In high horsepower vehicles they produce insane torque and at times the driveshaft will twist and instantly destroy itself.
Its possible it didnt fail from an implosion the way its has been described. But twisted first which eventually caused its destruction. Just my thoughts.
The titanium end caps were attached to the carbon fiber tube/hull with glue. Slapped on by hand in a garage. You can watch the manufacturing video online
Glass/Electronic compartments.....
Back aft cap had a wall.
Cracking sounds were coming from the rear. The carbon fiber hull ended above they're heads.
The electronic compartments were supposed to equalize pressure and if fractured it would push oil through to stop a implosion.
There's a huge glass sphere, behind end cap you can see in the Stockton video where he mentions "rhino liner"
I think compartments fail, electronics shut down, they panicked in the dark, and try to move away from cracking of glass compartments, causing a rapid decent, imploding the compartments, and sub. A rapid decent is catastrophic in itself.
All the compartments are missing and stockon says those compartments if not equalized could act like 17 tnt. If one valve got stuck on the several glass/electronic compartments.
Underwater bomb. Let's not forget the glass was made to crack before giving way.