Why the US Military worries about Chinese Air Power
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
- The Chinese Army Air Force (People's Liberation Army Air Force) has not been getting that much attention in the West compared to Russia. Here is why that might be a mistake.
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- Timecodes -
00:00 - Intro
00:28 - Expert: Justin Bronk
01:02 - The Chinese (Army) Air Force until uow
04:33 - Why should we care?
07:50 - The J-10: The Return of the Light-Weight Fighter(?)
11:13 - The J-16: The Best Flanker?
16:01 - The J-20: Stealth but not really?
20:52 - China overtaking Russia in basically everything?
27:22 - Crews and Command & Control
30:30 - How could China use their (Army) Air Force?
35:40 - Recommendations
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Chris, maybe you should have put up a warning for the comments under this video.. It's not pretty
In reference to 7:47 I find it quite hilarious how military equipment is touted in movies like Transformers or the F35 in the most recent Die hard movie not fond of this propaganda at all....
Minor nitpick: It is not the airforce of the country of China. It is the airforce of the Chinese communist party.
@@firesupport162 I think you missed the sarcastic part of that sentence.
when they are able to develop jet engines that equal or better Russians then they are not a threat ... this is all down to the military trying to justify demanding more cash from a bankrupt country with nearly 150% debt and rising fast
These types of long form interviews show exactly where youtube can absolutely blow traditional media out of the water. Listening to long interviews without commercial interruption on military technology is practically a religion, (at least to me), and are hard to find outside of UA-cam. New sub earned here!
Please allow me to join your religion. What are other channel on that matters you would recommend?
Currently i watched Military history visualized /not visualized
@@dimasakbar7668 Millenium 7 * is a fantastic channel for detailed dives into old and new technology. He has a masters in aeronautical engineering and the stuff in his videos is hard to find elsewhere. I really love his documentaries on old Cold-War era planes.
@@dimasakbar7668 curious Droid is another one I would recommend. Along with covert cabal
Complete agree!
You said it, a bit of digging and there are some cracking shows here.
This ruled. So much stupid noise on this topic, happy to see something simple and straightforward
I watched this video because I wanted non-biased insight into China's capabilities. With other videos, the attitude is either "Oh, they're trash, pfft." or "Oh no, World War III starts tomorrow!" I just want a sober assessment. Thanks for delivering and keep up the good work!
Exactly, most of these clowns including the muppet Binkov are delusional when it comes to assessing real capabilities of the big 3. Every channel paints a picture of if the U.S goes to war with China we should be prepared to meet Mao's Red Army on the battlefield.
@@davidmoss2576 To be honest, I don't actually know how well China would do. Not saying it would do bad or crush the Western powers, just that I don't know. The last conflict they had was with Vietnam in the 70's and if I remember right it didn't go brilliantly, while the American's have been in constant conflict since, and as such been able to test their new technology and weapons. I just think the Chinese don't have enough practical combat experience to be able to point the finger at the Americans and call themselves superior
@@princeendymion9044 So that's why PLA have several war games with action and live ammunition
instead of invading other countries.
@@joserizal4126 Regardless of why they invade, the point is the Americans have a hell of a lot more experience both with symmetrical and asymmetrical warfare. The US proved how quickly they can defeat a country traditionally in the Gulf War, since that's what the US military is built to face. the problem I have with China is for the most part it's all bark and no bite, if they want a conflict they can start one, but if not they can shut up and build up quietly. There's only so much you can learn academically and using training scenarios that most likely are always run in favour of the Chinese military, never in a situation where they might be disadvantaged
@@princeendymion9044 You are correct, but the PLA don't want to kill anyone, if possible. That' s Chinese philosophy. FYI, in last year's border conflict of cold weapons, the PLA lost four people and more than 20 Indian soldiers were killed.
The information provided here is incredibly refreshing
I'm really tired of that "Chinese products are a decade behind US design" bullshit
@@looinrims And...Which specific aircraft are you referring to...?
@lxIceRaptorzzl 1 Lmao, you trust the Indian border report bullshit, didn’t you
The J20 that got detected there isn’t even equipped with luneburg lens
If you don’t even know what luneburg lens are , then please stop shit posting around
@lxIceRaptorzzl 1 what about Israeli f 35 that got detected by Syrian air defense
@lxIceRaptorzzl 1 SU 57 itself are still not mass produce yet and will took until 2027 to produce 70 unit of su 57.
Meanwhile J-20 already entered service and in 2020 it already produce 150 unit
@lxIceRaptorzzl 1 Well，I think you should know that Chinese also detected F-22 in many years ago.
Once again Justin does an interview while flying a Fighter jet. What a legend
It's like having a car bed 🚗 🛌 as a child, it's badass 😎
Was he realy flying a jet?? I thought it was a funny background but so hard to tell these days
@@moonbear2130 Its real
It really adds to his credibility.
He was not flying. His vertical takeoff fighter and wingmen were hovering while he was giving this valuable speech.
No China or America bad mantra, straight forward commentary about his topic and unbiased analysis. We need more channels like you on UA-cam.
How you come to conclude that this is an unbiased analysis is puzzling. There are an endless list of statements that place China squarely as the bad guy; from allegations of stealing western technology on a scale unbeknown before, to China being a threat to the US. All these are presented as if they are statement of facts without an iota of proof or evidence.
@@stephenlock7236 I think it is pretty much well documented. If you don't see China as a threat good luck to you.
@@stephenlock7236 Probably because they are analyzing the PLAAF. If they were analyzing the US, they'd also cite all of the spying the US does as well as the threat the US poses (especially where they can invade from).
@@stephenlock7236 If you consider any of these allegations as painting China as the bad guy then that's honestly on you. China is obviously the main threat to the US by the simple fact that it is the biggest emerging economy and military not squarely in the US' alliance network. Who gives a shit about industrial espionage as a moral denominator, it is mentioned in the video that all sides are doing it and it is not hard to figure out why China does it so much, its technological base used to be quite far behind its contemporaries. It doesn't need any evidence to confirm such self-evident thesis
What I will give you is that he clearly talks about this from a western perspective, given that he works for the British government this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. But he really does keep the value judgements down as far as possible from that point on.
the J-20 looks like what you'd see in a Command &Conquer game or some sci fi near future game but some Chinese designer said lets make it now! It is by far one of the most unique looking planes out there for military purposes
Did they manage to get the engines on it to work properly yet? 🤔
@@idleeric8556 Actually yes. They are using indigenous engines now and are seen in regular CAP nowadays.
@@Gongolongo CAP? Do you mean Close Air Support? The Chinese Air Force uses the J-20’s for CAP? 🤔 And how often are they seen? And by whom?
@@idleeric8556 combat air petrol Lmao + skill issue + ratio + get good
@@idleeric8556 It was encountered by F35s once in the SCS, so you better believe there are more of em.
What an incredibly well done video! Not many talk about the PLAAF and it's rapidly expanding capabilities, and this video provided an awesome in depth look in an easy to understand manner. Thank you.
Finally a video about the Chinese PLAAF that isn’t voiced by a monotoned ai
finally someone who's not a ignorant ass.
@@lolasdm6959 hardly
All those videos are made by Indians copy pasting wiki articles.
@@orneryokinawan4529 Well at least he knows way more than ai voiced channels.
And the information isn't retarded, usually it's baised heavily against or heavily in favour of one side.
To me this is the best Military channel to date. Objective analysis. Refrained from demonizing China unlike the rest. Don't bad mouth China military capability. In depth knowledge. Certainly a class above Warthog Defense, Covert Cabal and Defense Update. Of the three, the worst is Defense Update.
Most if not all the insults are from Americans, Westerners or other nationalities that bought into the whole pro-West BS even though if you look at history, the actions of the West are far more "evil" than that of China.
@Goosa Poosa Best Indian defense channels are defense matrix and defence decode. But both are in hindi.
The difference between experts and Fox/CNN/Abc “experts”.
@@dickmelsonlupot7697 The pro-West BS does undermine China's capability as an up and coming superpower, but that doesn't mean China is less evil than the west. Under Communist China's short history alone oppressed and killed millions of people far more than the west in the same time period.
@Goosa Poosa
Ahhhh the Arjun.....the supposedly *BESTEST* tank in the world that can destroy the M1 Abrams
J20 pilot on Chinese open media claimed he has passed Miyako Strait and Bashi Channel to the west Pacific for training which it has never been reported or followed by Japanese or Taiwan AF. J20 low detective capacity can be proven.
Propaganda!!!
Well even J20 drop bombs, no countries will know until too late.
Pretty sure it’s propaganda
@@kronk3892 Michigan? Salute!
sure he did 😉
This was brilliant, so well delivered. Very much appreciated.
Good shit, the definition of specialist acronyms were a big help.
I had enough of the incessant propoganda and misinformation from NYT or worse, Fox news. This sort of self delusion only leads to self destruction like in the now defunct USSR
Finally could hear an intelligent qualified analyst give his no BS professional opinion.
@DavidJG Fox News is even worse
@DavidJG these are equally as bad but fox news is just on another level of bullshit
Yeagh I really liked that. I feel like doing a google search on those terms and learning more.
Remember how Japan grew their economy by copying, improving, and reducing the price of just about everything before innovating on their own.
that is how anyone learns isn't it? First you look at what others do...follow in their footsteps...after you get some experience, you can form your own ideas...
Germany also did the same. Why 'Made in Germany' was at first infamous for bad quality but also cheap products in the 19th century.
Basically every civilizations in history.
Correct.
you have to cultivate an innovative (and questioning) culture with it though, that never happened with Soviet R&D and has not happened with Chinese R&D either
It's also important to realize that Chinese engineering, despite often borrowing design queues, isn't a joke; many of their engineers are US-educated and just as capable as anybody.
Yap, China has been in a very "cold war" stance with the US long before this....hacking on government/industrial entities, spying, stealing IP's, anti-west/US propaganda, "Thousand Talents Plan" program ..There more than 350,000 Red Chinese "students" inside the US universities with access to it's million dollars of facilities and research funds.....these university research laboratories are the "soul" of the technical prowess of the USA...this is where of some of the most important medical and science breakthrough in America comes from (from the Fluoride toothpaste, seat belts, radio, TV, computer, google, internet, GPS, touchscreens, rocket fuel, most of the world’s most important vaccines, to the artificial heart...in fact most of everything we have in the world today all came from research inside these US universities)......and China steals these million dollars worth of research and development for free.
I mean a very large portion of our (USA) engineers are Chinese.
@@Gongolongo Your bosses have 👁👁 both of your responses.
@@Gongolongo For sure. European Americans, African Americans are busy to do the self gender analysis.
@@Gongolongo most of all of my classes were white, it’s a myth that most engineers are asian. Asians tend more to the medical field than engineering, engineering is too creative and medical field is more memorization
Wow!!!! This was an eye opener!!! Justin is incredibly well informed. Thanks for the education.
This is a breath of fresh air. Someone actually explaining what is really going on.
Yes, I am looking forward to future updates from him.
Now you need the check Chinese latest J-16D, worth a shot. Oh, don't forget the drones like WJ-8, WJ-7, CH-6 etc.
Dont believe any if them they can say anything they want .
I would like to hear then talking about evil america n evil endia instead .
Many individual had said many biased reports against China will evil , crooked double standard intention .
@@kakaxifx4913
Why are u guys so interested in making false accusation against China when all these weapons have been in America but u guys didn't say anything about america n endia having these weapons
@@heavengod8650 didn't get your point in term of "Why are u guys so interested in making false accusation against China when all these weapons have been in America but u guys didn"
Justin is always a joy to listen to, thank you for having him on again.
Ay. Top bloke. Excellent. The whole video overall too. One grumble:
A hard balance for an air-focused channel of course ...... but ....... Chris FFS stop interupting Justin when he's giving the geo-political background because you're worried folk will dip out if you don't cut to the planes.
The audience for an analysis of this weight is not so impatient or too dim to stay the course.
it is!!
Yes and with an unusual name ' Bronk ' .
What did he say about the dude doing a chinese refueling sortie? Did he say the USAF was subordinate to the PLAAF in that regard? Didn't understand his point about that.
@@name_dropper8112 the china mission was the refuiling, in american missions they do sorite/training/dogfight and then refuiling.
Refuiling planes are pretty rare if you look at total frames in china airforce so doing and airrefuiling was advanced for china pilots.
Excellent interview format - really informative on technology, strategic and operational capabilities. Brilliant
It is amazing that anyone could still consider the Chinese as backwards, in military technology. Today's China is the same China that has a respectable space program - they have successfully landed unmanned exploration craft on the Moon - that is not an achievement to thumb your nose at. Even if the Chinese Air Force could only manage a kill ratio of 2:3 in America's favor, that would be a significant setback to US air power in the region, and perhaps even a kill ratio of 1:2 in the US' favor would still allow China to deny regional airspace to the United States. As your guest Justin Bronk makes clear, the Chinese only need to achieve parity with the West to obtain their goals, not supremacy. Concerning the Chinese Air Force's previous adherence to tactical manuals, it reads a bit like the Royal Navy's adherence to the Fighting Instructions and the Line Ahead formation - but it appears China is not waiting for a Nelson to free them from "the book". Lastly, Western contempt of China's airpower seems to echo the contempt that the West - or at least America - had for Japanese pilots and aircraft, on the Eve of Pearl Harbor...
Not forgetting if China and the US did have a war there would be a good chance it would drag in Russia at some point.
This would then involve NATO and Russia in Europe and from that point we are in potential Armageddon territory 😔
@@nigeh5326 have fun when 2026 rolls around 😂
The west considering china backwards militarily works to china’s advantage.
U. S. S. R. military lost because of economic reasons not military power. China has the same problem.
US actually outnumbers China in combat aircraft, though (by a wide margin). Also, the US Pacific fleet, by itself and without reinforcement from the rest of the Navy, already has more naval tonnage and more combat power than the entire Chinese navy. China can't afford to take heavy losses because they don't have the #'s. The old "quantity has a quality of its own" adage might have worked for China in the Korean War, but this won't work for them in a modern conflict.
This is among the most fascinating videos on the channel. Great work!
Thanks so much!
J-20 is a really good-looking aircraft. I love the delta wing + canards combination.
Yup. Because it was designed by Wind tunnel. Nature creates beautifulness which human can sense it. Meanwhile only the master of art can handle it in painting Or sculpting. Apparently China reached that level. I wonder what's the next.
Wait until you get blown to hell by it. Then you’ll really love it. Communist China is not playing around. There will be war in the near future.
@@mrnoedahl I really hope not. However lets be real, if there is one, it will be the west that starts it not China.
@Blue Reaper well so you means two wings are copied from F22?
@@mrnoedahl Do you find any Chinese military bases around US? Count how many US military bases around China.
When other countries progress and are focused on themselves for their bright future, it is automatically a threat to U. S 😹😹😹😹😹😹
In the case of the CCP, yes they are very much a threat
This was surprisingly good and informative without bias from either side. Subbed!
China is at home in Asia. Western power are the visitors & interlopers. Advantage China.
Visit due to WW2 japanese massacre of chineese. WEST WILL NEVER LEAVE!!
Our good old Asia-Pacific region is now referred to as "Indo-Pacific", and soon it would be known as "Anglo-Pacific" region. 🤔
For hard truths, pls read informative multi-pages 'Ole Fella' comment on UA-cam at,
"China-US tensions: A closer look at the Five-Eyes intelligence partnership / CGTN".
@@mauriceduenas1586 , until the West will be kicked out of Asia which will happen soon in your lifetime!
@@tellthetruth5699 He'll will freeze over first. UShas too much blood and treasure invested. Not to mention PRC can not survive without American market. PRK survival is tied to Dollar and won't sacrifice that. They are an export nation they need buyers. Our overwhelming Military naval might tied to all Asian pacific nations hold absolute control China is a paper Tiger. They fear their own people more than all.
@@mauriceduenas1586 Complete and utter nonsense. The Chinese are a manufacturing giant and produce anything they need. We in the U.S can't produce nearly as much and nowhere as cheap. Even with manufacturing coming back to the US the prices will never make sense. We have an outstanding Navy but it is finite. It is only a matter of time before we are pushed out of the Pacific, get use to it.
The "Oh, it's just a copy" makes me think of the nonchalance towards Imperial Japan's military designs/products, such as the A6M "Zero", prior to WW2.
Copy, improve, innovate. The unoffical motto of the imperial Japanese navy.
This in a nutshell
This is what you do to catch up. Few countries had the privilege that the US had of directly abducting foreign scientists and having advanced tech built for them.
@@yaz2928 didnt the Soviets have spies take the Manhattan Project secrets?
China sometimes making unlicensed copies of other countries equipment?
What makes the US special in this regards?
@@fulcrum2951 What makes the US special in this regard is that it spends more on espionage than the rest of the world combined, we are talking tens of billions of dollars (inflation-adjusted) over the years. Look up at how the CIA recovered bits of a sunk Soviet submarine, how they outright stole a Hind gunship from Libya.
By the way this is actual theft. China got most of its military tech from licensing agreements with the Soviet Union, whereby the USSR allowed China to build its tech at a fee. Copies in this instance are not theft.
Objective, critical, full of gold nuggets. Keep up the good work sir!
Man, I love you channel. You're interviews and videos are outstanding. Just subbed. Great work 👏
The most informative video I have seen on current PLAAF capability. Top video.
Totally ignores the fact that their pilots have zero combat experience, their leadership has zero combat experience, no living veterans of wars for their NCOs, none of their equipment has been battle-tested, none of their supply chains, command and control infrastructure, their communications tech, have been battle tested...
The training they all get is sub-standard. Basically if a war with China breaks out and lasts longer than 2 weeks, China will be devastated and then turn to its nukes to scorch the earth because that's the kind of butthurt weasels the CCP are.
@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 The fact that someone doesn't mention something directly, doesn't mean that they didn't talk about it. If you've listened closely you could basically hear all your critisms on West Taiwans air force, but it just wasn't mentioned out loud.
@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 the only combat experience us pilots has is against guerrilla fighters with no air force or anti air capability. Don't think that's gonna help a whole bunch against a modern foe with those capabilities
@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 none of that seemed to matter when the Chinese forced the the US into an embarrassing retreat at Chosin in Korea right back to the 38th? And that was in the 50’s. Just imagine the same war today. Hmmmmm Americans have short memories it seems…
@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 Stalemate in Korea, Lost the war in Vietnam, Lost the war in Afghanistan, Abandoned the Kurds, abandoned your afghan allies, abandoned your Vietnamese allies, Iraq now infested with ISIS, yeah - the US really have some good experience 🤣
As someone who served the PLA ground force as a lieutenant but have a father who served PLAAF as a pilot, I appreciate your information. I hardly see any informative content of the PLA on UA-cam.
In terms of quality, PLAF is already superior to USAF. J16>F15ex, J10c>F16v, J20>F22/35. PL15>AIM120, PL10e=AIM9X. The only disadvantage is quantity.
@@aburetik4866 That is a bit optimistic and I don't think any Chinese military fan would firmly take that as something serious…
@@user-sx2we1xe5q not at all as a matter of fact
@@qimengzhang2836 等一下……这个否定的是他还是……否定我的否定……
@Elwin no, you get a couple nationalist fans everywhere in mainland China.
Outstanding sir! Finally, a subject matter expert who provides an arbitrary assessment of the PLAF readiness posture.
Have to to subscribe since this is the only military channel I have seen in youtube that no bias,no smear , no double standards against China…
Outstanding video. You and Justin are to be commended for a great discussion on a difficult topic. It goes along with a presentation that I saw on the Chinese naval militia with the Chinese desire to defend their coast by pushing potential attackers back further into the Pacific.
Why criminal America is creating propaganda and fake news against China? because Chinese economy is surpassing American economy soon. Western powers want to rule the World and Asia forever so they create fakes news and terrorists to create confusion, chaos, civil Wars in CHINA and India(divide and rule policy of the Western powers)..World's 95% terrorists were created by American spy agency CIA............./////////////,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,................
America was founded on slavery and genocide, white man success was build on stolen loot in the name of Jesus, said one Hindu, they commit toms of evil earn tons of gold made women and children suffer in the hell to become successful country, since 1776 America only 20 years didn't attack other countries, they are war addict, they always instigate conflict always commit unspeakable atrocities, America is a threat to world peace.
So why would the US worry about the air forces of countries that are half way around the world ?
Cause the US have vowed to defend Taiwan and China says it will take it by military force if all else fails.
Japan and Australia are the USAs buffer zone and Taiwan dont want to be part of China.
US is afraid they might lose a customer…
@@WolfOfLosAngeles
formal name of Taiwan is Republic of China (ROC). Explain that.
@@vennsim71 Simple fact
Absolutely terrific and informative interview yet again! Much appreciation!
I appreciate the unbiased approach to this video. Very informative. Well done!
I love these types of videos. This is exactly what I’m looking for as a viewer and subscriber! Keep it up👍
Thanks for the video, glad we have such professional coverage of this topic on youtube.
I'm just a military enthusiast and do study lot but this particular subject is a real speciality of this young fella so he's a lot more capable of giving us the proper facts and the bigger picture...... just as he did on the Russian Air Force.... so its a real scoop to get him in to talk to us, well done mate, fantastic job!!!
I find the use of tower control personnel on board their AWACS aircraft really strange.... if the aircraft gets shot down, their pilots are going to left without command and control.
"Russia is a crisis management problem" Crisis not managed, repeat crisis not managed
In the long run it will be whatever happens in dombass. Russia's army will never be able to wage another war in the former eastern europe perimeters because russian losses are too high and russian demographic is just too low. China in the other hand is 1;5 billions strong with complete integration within global capitalism. If XiJiping doesn't mess everything with his return to a totalitarian regim, China will keep being the most powerful challenger of the USA until the next 30 years if they don't become the most powerful country at all before suffering from huge population drop because of the aging of their population.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Great interview! It upped my knowledge on Air Force tactics and PLAAF quite few notches!
"the large scale of Chinese espionage, theft of information is just on a completely different scale."
Am I a joke to you Fish & Chips Boy? - NSA 😂
Can't steal what isn't worth having.
@otto Lincoln he drank the Kool-aid xD
The CIA literally spent billions of dollars recovering chunks of a sunk Soviet submarine. In terms of money the US spends way more on espionage than any other country.
Plus he admitted that everyone spies and steals military stuff from everyone else, so by that logic all of NATO countries spies on and steals military secrets from other NATO countries R&D, and Russia does the same to China.
Same same Pots and Kettles are black. Why single out China? All are Copy Cats 🐱 🐱 🐱
Yes, this is good update, well done !
Whenever we think US would start to put more focus on China, Putin does something crazy, every single time.
Great video! I really loved your last videos / interview with this guy too. If he has any other stuff bring him back.
This is amazing content ,for sure do more of those videos with Justin!
So good.. Very informative & well presented.. Thank you.
Excellent video, great stuff!
Wow, literally the first time hearing some one talking about Chinese’s military capabilities in a more serious tone. So it seems to me that now they have both the quantity and the quality….
As a Chinese here) going to say no, the quantity is still very sad, for quality… check the amount of J-10A that is still in service and J11B at the same time, these are like early 90s level of product while still massive in service. And count the percentage of J7 and J8 in the services…
@@CCC-if2jx I think China foresee that it kind of wasteful spending to build enough quantity in one shot since their r&d is advancing rapidly. It will end up just like F-22/35 that may out of service or obsolete with out the chance to fight in serious air war. China is not ready and may not need to be ready if their can hang on long enough.
Actually there are not many advanced aircraft. Dammn you guys have no idea how much the Chinese Internet and people's Congress fight each year about increasing military spending
@@CCC-if2jx f 16 is from the 70's
Against any serious opponent then every single plane in the Chinese military is going to get shot down very quickly. Very quickly indeed.
I’ve been waiting so long for this. Ever since the russian video
Thanks for waiting :)
Read an interesting article last week. Basically saying that the Russians should focus on the SU-30M3 rather than the SU-35. As the formers has almost the same capabilities as the former at a far lower cost. Thus saving money to purchase more Su-57s and the new SU-75.
@@Mugdorna I don't know what Su-30M3 is. The latest modification they ordered is called Su-30SMD and has the exact same engines and radar as Su-35, to make them both totally compatible. It only has an extra person inside, I doubt it's cheaper at all.
Absolutely fascinating. Really great info/analysis
I knew a senior military personnel from Singapore and he told me that China's military is so much more powerful and advance than how some western fanboys were playing it down. As Thailand had constant joint air force exercise with China, Thailand was totally shocked by how powerful and capable the Chinese fighters were. Thailand operates the Saab Gripen and the Chinese jets were comparable to western fighters. Besides the engine which the Chinese is still improving, Chinese jets had overtaken the Russians in many aspects especially their avionics.
Besides the air force, Chinese most deadly arsenal is their hypersonic long range missiles which is way ahead of the US! US was too complacent on their missiles development!
We need professional and honest reviews like these, not some the fanboy's club bullshit putting lots of technical jargons copy and paste on their remarks as if the Chinese was still a rag tag army like 70 years ago during the Korean war.
I love that this channel dont just bashed at what china has made today, But they analyzed it and see the progress of it and even saw the potentials it has. Just because a plane or carrier that china released to service today has a lacking quality or that it added nothing new to its class, doesnt mean it wont be a threat in 5 or 10 years later. Now that's something to think about.
This is exactly why i subscribed to this channel!
@A Fels I wouldn't mind him to do that for every well rated plane to do that.
You can say the same for America during WW2.
The Sherman and the rest of the armoured vehicles were shhhhttt.
Shermans couldn't even fight properly against Tigers or fully equipped Panzer IVs.
The only effective Sherman in the European theatre was the Firefly.
Yet they won because Shermans outnumbered the Tigers and Panzers and pretty much drowned them with numbers.
And funny enough, the Russian T-34 is actually far better than the Shermans.
Even with Navies, the Royal Navy was far better than the US Navy.
As for the Airforce, the only great plane America had was the Mustang but the Mustang's history was complicated with it being a failure and pure ssshhhhhtttt but only became good when they tried experimenting and put a British engine in the hood.
Realistically speaking, the planes the Navy had especially for it's carriers weren't that good. They were only slightly better than the Japanese Zeroes.
Plus the fact that they already know the disadvantages of Zeroes, have made methods and tactics to combat them, the shhhttt load of planes they managed to produce and the fact that Japan had the dummbbeessttt set of leaders who didn't take advantage and maintain their superior Zeroes properly is what helped the Navy win.
In fact, American AAs were what shot down most of the Imperial Japanese Navy's planes and ironically enough most of their AAs aren't theirs or weren't their inventions.
Much of their AAs (like the Orleikon 20mm and the Bofors 40mm) are Swiss/Italian and Swedish respectively.
@@dickmelsonlupot7697 I think you are wrong about Tiger IV and Panzer IV tanks being superior to Sherman and that is was a swarm kinda like how Soviets get the bad wrap of “swarming”
I have some points for the Sherman being better in terms of combat ability theoretically by the specs on Wikipedia
I feel the Sherman has a bigger gun therefore more penetration
It also has more mass specifically around 4 tons maybe more so theoretically heavier so slower/less fuel efficient but maybe more armor
I can’t find kill ratios but I see that at least 7100 Sherman’s were destroyed on the western front maybe more but this is only UK/US death of tanks/crews combined
yeah but like I highly doubt there were more than 400 tiger tanks, and that’s being kind, and it’s variants in the western front 44-45 pulling numbers out of my ass but I seriously believe most would have been annihilated from 41-44
German armor like a starving organism lacked nutrition/material for mass manipulation anywhere in the projectiles, in the energon juice, armor, literally nutrition, etc
Of course yeah more than tanks but tldr
TLDR
How can panzer IV be better when it’s smaller in terms of penis/gun and mass/ass basically less penetration & less protection
And the tiger tanks.. how many were even operational sounds like some myth or urban legend not dying I really don’t know but you make this claim of tiger tanks being superior to the Sherman in an actual tank battle I just don’t know
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There are different versions of the Panzer IV and we were to pit the earliest Panzer IVs with that snub nose gun with an early or mid war then yeah maybe the Sherman might have a chance.
But for a mid-1943, 1944 or 1945 version of the Panzer IV like the Ausf.J, 10/BW or the Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. G (Germans hate names and love numbers so don't get confused since you're not the only one), then the Sherman even the M4A4 ones would either be brutally murdered or at least had a rough time going up against a Panzer Battalion.
Plus the Shermans weren't armored that greatly. For the most part, their skin is only 12.7mm thick and around 177.8mm on it's thickest location (which is at the side but only when attacked on it's slanted angle). And the Sherman's guns aren't that powerful and lacked range. Even the doctrine and strategies for use of the Shermans highly advice them to use their speed to their advantage and not act like tank killers. The only theatre they were doing actual good on their own is the Pacific theatre since Japanese tanks were weak and underdeveloped since money was funneled more to the Navy.
And sure, there weren't a lot of Tigers back then but even with their fewer numbers, the kills they rack up when they are there is visibly apparent (of course if they survive or not get attacked by fighters or bombers or if their Jew-made parts weren't failing).
And in terms of quality for parts, America may have a slight advantage especially with the fact that many Panzer, Tiger and other stuff were basically Jew-made or POW-made (meaning slaves who may not be the best workers) especially during the mid to late stages of the war, then the German parts may end up failing or have problems but in terms on paper or even on actual combat, they actually do reign supreme than the Shermans.
The only reason the Western allies stood a chance is because, like I said, due to their immense numbers and the aid of the Air Force especially the fighters and bombers who can exploit all tank's weakness which is the top armor. Plus tank destroyers like the M10 helped in the fight as well.
.American sordid selfishness considers any country that wants to live a threat. TO HELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THEIR DEVIL ELITE
Thank you Justin and Chris for another informative interview. The People's Liberation Army Air Force is rarely talked about by western air force enthusiasts, same goes for the Indian Air Force that was also mentioned in the video. Maybe you could cover them next?
Hey, thanks so much. Will see what I can do :)
@@MilitaryAviationHistory hi nice video really learned a lot about PLAAF any video on IAF in future their challenges and where they stand aganist china
@@MilitaryAviationHistory an interesting read would be about the Folland Gnat and the not so smooth Marut designed byThe Kurt Tank(It eventually never reached supersonic due to the underperforming British engines which were available but the plane was designed with supersonic capabilities in mind). :|
@@nevergonna....7066 india only has one jet that is indigenous , even that is just being procured by their own air force.
India doesn't produce a lot of aircraft, which is probably why their air force has been overlooked.
Great channel man - very interesting stuff.
That was exceptional - more of this please!
Definitely more videos like this. This was incredibly engaging and fascinating.
I'm going to need another video with Justin, he's amazing
This was a great video thank you !!
Informative and thought provoking...thank you for an awesome discussion.
Justin Bronk is knowledgeable and well spoken on his subject and has the best aviation background wallpaper.
Where can I get such an aviation wallpaper background?
I think this is one of those things where we think we know but we actually don’t. Remember when they said America would be able to handle a pandemic and China is just going to collapse. Yeah, I think we’ll only know for sure when that time comes
Thats my thought too. It would be a mistake to think that China cant do theatre warfare. Its not like command and control during the 50s and 60s where the chinese army didnt even have rank in the armed forces and think like the Soviets with command coming from the centre. Its modern warfare now, dude.
@@Praetorian157A Even without rank and C&C ability the chinese still beatback the vietcongs. Something that the US never managed to do with what everyone beliere to be better equipement.
@@hallo84 Didn't the Chinese army who push the American from their boarder for almost 180miles back to Seoul in Korean war?
@@mikexhotmailChina still had rank during the Korean war. They experimented with total equality during the 70s when rank and insignia was removed so that the officers and the average soldier dressed and ate the same. It did run into issues when the commanding officers dies in combat since they had confusion as to who is the next highest ranking officer to take the chain of command but that is only temporary.
make sense.
Excellent video, real eye opener.
The most objective and comprehensive analysis I have seen anywhere, period. Thank you!
A pleasant surprise. Was expecting either exaggeration or underestimation but we get a balanced view. Nice interview session 👍
Informative and interesting as always .thank you very much .
That was a good interview.
Wow, great commentaries and very profound; surprised but very knowledgeable.
What a beautiful and insightful analysis from Justin Bronk again!
Among your best vids! Justin is a phenomenal guest.
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Loving these modern themed videos!
This is an incredibly informative video. The geek in me is VERY HAPPY.
If America don't bully others where is the problem.
it would be FUN
if russia buys the J16 and then, tries to reverse the Reversed engineered plane. !
seriously wouldnt be surprised... china russia alliance learning and helping each other... beneficial for each other, would not be surprised to find out china helping russia with infrastructure and building docks or sharing docks etc... china and russia already sharing during the military war games and both indicate the "relationship being more than an alliance, a deep friend" china acting like a medic and bringing russia back online is beneficial for china and a joint deterrent for the west
Its not like they don't know how to make the flankers better already, they know the plane better than anybody, they are just short on cash.
funny enough, the Chinese clone of the RPD Machine Gun is actually better and more reliable than the original Russian version.
@@dickmelsonlupot7697 the type 56 ak is also considered better than the original 47 but not the akm.
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anything is better than the original AK-47 since the -47 was pretty much just a prototype.
Everything after that were refined copies that used better or more cost-effective parts
I am fairly new to this blog and I am really impressed and happy to see a younger generation of aviation enthusiasts proving such outstanding content. Keep up the great work Chris!
Excellent, interesting and very informative. Thank you.
This video is a valuable overview of PRC aviation capabilities, as well as a brief gaze at Chinese military and political planning and integration. You have informed us without us having to do all the digging into sources and sorting through minutiae to find the gems. Well done, again.
Great video, great guest, and very timely video. Chinese missiles like pl-15 and pl-21 not only outclass Russia but usa and the west. China's doctrine is different to usa and russia, and thus this is part of chinas general long range area denial strategy with standoff strike munitions and weapons.
Usa has no answer and is now scrambling, having dropped out of intermediate range missile treaty with Russia.
To the "expert" featured in this interview: J10 is a medium-weight fighter jet and certainly NOT their F16 which is actually a lightweight fighter and somewhat on the way out.
Keep coping
Very good analysis. He explained very well even a non military person can understand.
to all of you in the comments, thank you for not being the cesspool in other military channels...those places are nasty
You cant make an enemy of someone who isnt threatening just because they are getting richer. This interviewee is talking on behalf the USilitary complex. Build a threat to sell your shit.
Great Video !!
Yes, actually I enjoy this level of conversation.. Grateful
Fully watched it, very interesting, thanks!!
Brilliant video, great insight.
Fascinating interview.
I enjoyed this very much. Thank you.
Another high quality video. We certainly need more of these videos, especially with Justin and Dr. Franke. Would love to see this deep analysis of air forces continue--the USAF/USN/USMC (if you didn't cover that already), the Royal Air Force, the Indian Air Force, the Israeli Air Force, etc.
Another great discussion Chris! Keep them coming!
Sure thing !
@@MilitaryAviationHistory china wants to destroy us dollar hegemony thats why they launched petro yuan and if saudis and all middleast nation stopped selling their oil in us dollar it would crash usa economy and it will doomed for usa
@@MilitaryAviationHistory prepare for world war 3 bro iam afraid so much
@@ahmadashraf2728 It won't happen. China looks weaker than they have. Their rate of growth is decreasing. They're bound to have an economic contraction as all these inflated property values finally crash back to Earth. Real estate sales alone is like 10% of their total economic activity.
It also makes sense why China grew so much. RECKLESS borrowing. Their debts are not all in yuan. They need dollars.
Very intresting informative analysis tnks
Outstanding video!
As a Chinese, I'm so glad you are coving this topic and thanks for all the hard work and research!
As many said, the Indian Air Force is definitely what I hope to see next, not because all the Internet wars ongoing in the comment section, but their diverse fleet of aircraft, the one I'm most interested in is the carrier based Mig 29 because people say its capability can improve carrier operation efficiency, hope to see your take on that!
Are you a Chinese agent?
@@WilmerCook nah just a random Chinese guy who likes planes and stuff.
It will be interesting to see India’s transformation over the next 20 years as their economy expands as China’s has, enabling similar changes to their military that China is going through right now. It will also be interesting to see how the west responds and enables India to be an ever present force as China’s main info-pacific rival and counter.
@@krash4291 The Mig29 is the soviet counterpart to the F16.
It has more thrust to weight but relatively short range. Which makes it an weird choice for carriers.
I'd be more interested when the Indians would use their imported Rafales on carriers.
The French use theirs on carriers and it's surely an match for US carrier based F18's
Surely that would blunt the chinese navy since they can't use the J20's on carriers i assume.
@@WilmerCook are you spy for the west m
i love the effort put into finding a lot of good pictures. But could you leave them up for a few more seconds each, please
Thank you! Fascinating!
It would be interesting to see what they could do with the US budget, they would need to tripple theirs. Doudt if they need 10 years, their tech growth is phenominal
NATO defence budgets appear large by comparison because their biggest spend is manpower costs
They pay competitive rates to retain them otherwise they would go back to civilian life
China and Russia have conscript forces costing the minimum, they also are low labour cost countries so can make equipment and supplies cheaper than the West.
Basically for every dollar that China or Russia spends on defence, the Wesatern countries have to spend 2.5 times as much to be equal
So don’t be fooled by comparing US or NATO defence spending and thinking that it is huge compared to China or Russia, it is big in dollar terms but not in equipment or capability
Yes but at what stage of inflation of dollar.
I had never thought of the j20 as an awacs hunter, makes sense...
Yeah, without Awacs and air tankers the USAF would be in big trouble. It is looking like the J-20 may have a range of around 2,000miles, so massive area denial, and the ability to approach in stealth to strike any targets within 2,000miles of a Chinese airfield is a massive defensive advantage.
@@-Zevin- exactly sounds like a very impontant roll
@@1983jarc Yes absolutely, and it's why I think the fact it may not be perfectly stealthy or as stealthy as the F-22 is kind of a moot point. It is good enough to do the job, and good enough to strike on its terms. The fact it may lose stealth when turned away for instance, doesn't matter. If the J-20 is turned away from you, it most likely already fired weapons, weapons that also outrange American weapons, and is now cruising at speed and distance. A distance that also wouldn't be visible without awacs, which is now destroyed. So hypothetically if F-22 were even airborne and nearby, they would be in no place to intercept, and now would be left without awacs or refueling. I honestly don't know how you counter this approach, it is very smart.
@@-Zevin- The US navy is apparently talking about using smaller tanker drones to replace large tankers in highly contested airspace, not sure what they can do with AWACs though. Maybe some kind of networked drone constellation?
@@-Zevin- This really sounds like a smart strategy. Fundamentally, it's because the purpose of PLAAF and USAF is very different. Around the first island chain which is way closer to China, USAF'd better to control as much air space as possible to protect its heart - aircraft carriers, but China doesn't need to as it has land airports and land-based air defence system. PLAAF can even give up some air space control to USAF but focus on finding ways to destroy critical USA targets.
I am thinking of China can deploy a few J20 groups to solely target at USAF's Awacs and air tankers, meanwhile a large numbers of cheaper J10, J11, J16 planes to grab a lot attention of F22, F35, F18 or even drain out USAF's missiles loaded for the first battle. Awacs and air tankers would then become as easy as training targets for J20. Then USAF... cannot image. Seems like the rest USAF fighters have to fight blindly by themselves. If USAF wants to keep their Awacs and air tankers safe, they need to be flying way far from the core area of the battle, which makes them not that useful then.
So when there's no generation gap between PLAAF and USAF's technology, it seems very difficult for USAF to win or not lose big around the first island chain. Apparently, USA needs to make effort in largely increasing weapon quantities to be able to continue blocking China inside the first island chain. But it's also obvious the White House does not have this amount of military spending unless it decides to go on the crazy $$ printing without worrying about an unbearable economic consequence.
This is truly an exceptional briefing. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
WoW...the most unbiased videos on PLA...very informative 👍👍👍 greetings from INDIA.
I love your videos! Can you please do a similar video on the Indian Air Force? Especially the significance of the HAL Tejas and the future HAL 5th gen program.