Namaste everyone! Foreigner here! I've been to Bharat 12 times in this lifetime, from north to south. I've been to 7 of the 12 Jyotirlingas, from Kedarnath to Rameshwaram. Also, I have visited 4 of the 5 Panchabhoota Sthalams, been Arunachaleshwara my dearest one. For the first time in so many years I have found a simple but well explained information on the worship of Shiva in Bharat. Having been to so many Shiv temples, I have had the chance to witness the striking difference between north and south Shaivism. Now I have a better understanding on how and why things are done in Shiv temples throughout Bharat. Thanks for this documentary, it is a very much needed topic, mostly as "yoga" has spread it wings in a global way and most people don't have a clue on the true roots of Yoga.
Yes. True Siva yoga is different from many yoga ways at present. These different sadhanas including sankya will not liberate a soul except Shiva Yoga as explained in Shiva agamas and Thirumanthiram will give Swarupya mukthi. And in the name of Sri Arunachaleshwara, being a Tiruvannamalaian, I welcome you to my hometown.
@@greatmanINDthere is no such thing as Shiva yoga , yoga is yoga , go read Shiva Samhita , lord Shiva tells Mata Parvati that in all of Mat (beliefs) the Yoga is the best and it's just Yoga which originated from Vedas , not Shiva yoga or Vishna Yoga or any other .
❤❤❤Loved it brother.... But as a Tamil Saivam follower, I can say what are all the differences you said (yogam, tantram, yantram, nature=shiva....) all are there in Tamil Saivam also....😊 I'm happy to hear it also exists in Kashmira Saivam... Thanks ❤
Very wrong informative. Agami/Tantric texts are from the mouth of Supreme God Siva for the sake of Anava mala paripaka of all His devotees across Bharat. Not confined oly to Tamil, Kapaalika, Kashmir or other schools of Shaivism. Kashmir Saivam is confined only to yoga path. Very selected texts. Very limited literatures. Unaware of Siva agama in right sense. But Tamil Saiva siddhantha comprises all the four paths to salvation. 1.Charya - Salokya mukthi - Appar 2. Kriya - Samipya mukthi - Sambandhar 3.Yoga - Saarupya mukthi - Sundarar, Thirumoolar 4.Jnana - Saayujya mukthi - Manikkavasagar In addition, Tamil Saivam includes pure bhakthi with poem, dance and music. But this documentary portrays Kashmir Saivam is more philosophical than Tamil Saivam. The Kashmir's Pasupatha Saivam is almost similar to Tamil Saiva siddhantha except the difference in status of Mukthi. In Kashmir saivam, the mukthanma (liberated soul) becomes independent, omniscient, omnipotent and all pervasive. Whereas in Tamil Saivam, the mukthanma is always dependent to Shiva. Soul's limited knowledge and actions become omniscient and omnipotent but it cannot do Panchakritya (Srushti, Sthithi, Sankaram, Thirobavam, Anugraham) like Shiva. Soul will be trikala jnani (past present future) until it is merged with Shiva in Paramoksha named Sayujya moksha. If atman is unmerged, its knowledge will be limited once again. But it is said that once if an atma merges with Siva never reverts. So the mukthi is blissful.
@@VijayKumara-dd2nt Brother these are not fights but debates which lasted for very very long period in Bharat. Nothing about dishonor. Speaking truth is important. So I just put forward what is not said by author. I have respect for many documentaries of Project Shivoham. I wish the author could have atleast taken reference from Thirumanthiram, Sivagnana Botham and Sivagnana siddhiyar. Because people started thinking Tamil Shaivam just has bhakthi, dance and temple rituals but do not have higher philosophy. Is it true??
Tantra Originated From Kashmir what Are You High On It Later Absorbed In your One And All Those One Which You mentioned Has Already Exist In North lol@@greatmanIND
As dalit 💙💙 i like hindu culture of hindus . I don't even know about these things in your religion learning about different culture and religion is my new Interest .your religion is very different from normal religion . Im still learning about your religion 💙
@@meenu999 mainstream religion oa. I respect your religion it's not normal for non Hindus For example me as dalit learning about Tamil shavaism and kashmir shavism is new discovery i didn't knew about it . I only know few thing about your religion. 🆗
@@Kart546 But you NEED NOT know it! It’s perfectly ok!! What you must know about is all the jaatis WITHIN the Dalit groups and THEIR culture, traditions, beliefs and lifestyle. Only then you can have a strong identity in your own community. Just like I don’t know any deep details about Islam though I had a muslim woman Najma as a friend for more than five years. I need not know beyond basics. I need to have a clear identity of myself, unswayed by whoever my friends are..be centered in your natural god given identity for this lifetime! Btw, you didn’t answer my question about what’s a normal religion according to you.
@@meenu999i didn't mean it's bad but it's just about mainstream worldwide religions . So obviously as dalit I'm alien to Hinduism I didn't know this much . As dalit I find it difficult to process. As non Hindu we have difficulties in understanding Hinduism maybe you donno
@@Kart546 "learning about different culture and religion is my new Interest " you are in india . i don't think you have say it different culture but different customs but not essentially different. feeling like a foreginer in india . 🙄🙄🙄 you too are indian.don't to wrap your head on everything. fundamental shift needed for you to understand hinduism is that it is not one god or one supreme god exists , and there is no standard book to say this is hinduism as what you meant by normal religion(a ook for interpretation). In hinduism , many paths many dieties as paths to salvation with shiva , vishnu , sakthi , ayyappa all ,with rightoeuness and correct you can be capable and powerful to match the devatas. shiva or hindu deites of your personal choice dwells in soul.
A Sad thing is that, in Our Country, We worship politicians and film stars like Gods, And neglect the Real One! such that We have sunk so low that We use places of Sacredness and Worship as Tourist places, like Maa Kamakhya's Hills and Temple are not your picnic spot, It's too Sacred to be tampered by the Government, and Must be protected from Government's hands, BJP and Congress Will come and go, but Maa and Dharma Are Eternal We, being her sons and daughters, Must Protect Her and Dharma
@@RickRoy117 people have emotional attachment & worship them. That's why they're God. The people which you think are Gods were actually saviours in ancient times & that's why they are also Gods.
Tamil nadu is the head quarter's of both Shaivisim and. Sri vaishnavism...bhakthi marka started in T.N spread across bharath ... SHAIVISIM - T.N is the land of shiva temples more than 40000 temples dedicated to lord shiva that are millennium old .. *63 nayanars contributed to tamil Shaivisim Sri VAISHNAVISIM T.N is the land of Vishnu temple.more than 20000 temples dedicated to lord vishnu( perumal)... Out Of 108 divya desa of sri mahavishu majority 84 temples are present in T.N alone... * 12 tamil alwar saint contributed to Sri vaishnavism tradition in T.N sri Ramanuja acharaya from srirangam Tamil Nadu...
Tamil Saivam is not just bhakti oriented, addressing common person's devotional needs. While it encompasses this path of bhakti, it has its own esoteric, gnaana path as well. Tirumular's Tirumandiram is one such example of this esoteric attribute of Tamil Saivam.
The video is right at its place . But one of the prominent ways to connect Shiva in North India is also Bhakti . Here in North India we listen to songs and Bhajan of Shivan . And visit the Shrines like Kashi , Jyotirling , Amarnath... . I as an North Indian really loved the way Thamizhians preached Shivabhakti . { Special Thanks to @Mere Shiv } And talking about the tantra . Some Buddhists mixed the panchamakar in tantra . And people started associating Tantra with Tona Totka . Therefore in the name of worship and rituals , sadhak started harassing women and girls , and started doing Animal Sacrifices ... . As a result Maa Kamakhya has left the Shaktipeeth . In the previous year the Brahmputra river didn't even get red after Ambubachi Parv . And in this year's Ambubachi Parv , Maa Kamakhya has totally resided in Karauli Shankar Mahadev Dham , Kanpur . But here in spite of seeing how one culture is different from the other , we should see how it is interconnected ( ex. Varna System ) ஓம் நமச்சிவாய
@@pratik_1241 for you this video might be, as i worked in this field, I would say the video superficial observed Tamil Shaivism, while its much more than most people know.
Tamil saivam is not only about bhakti but also about philosophy, the Saiva Siddhantam of Meykandar who lived around 12th century wrote extensively about the 36 tattvams and means to attain Shiva in Shiva Gnana bodham, Thirumandhiram speaks about Yogic practices. The writings of siddhars like Bogar, sivavakkiyar speaks about ashta siddhis, healing aspects and philosophy.
We need both sampradaayalu to understand Siva. Tamila sampradaayam brings an entity close to Siva, a connection is formed. A foundation. Kasmira sampradaayam is next level, advanced thathvam. Both will make you realise Siva in their own ways and that's what is ultimately desired.
Project Shivoham is among the greatest things to ever happen for Hindus of this yuga. Hope in the future you will bring out more videos regarding Shakta Sampradayas and Vaishnava Sampradayas across India.
@@LakneswaranKrishnan-q4c Shiva is always KALYANKARI . Rudra is Samhaar karika. Samhaar has different connotation from destroyer. In Kashmir Shivanga there is nothing like destroyer. It is SARJAN & VISARJAN .
u really feel that the deep philosophical metaphors given in vedas are that much straight forward ? atleast don't divide my lord shiva maheswara , in whole bharatam and whole asia atleast he is love , not only just in tamil
A dedicated vedio on shaktism is must, it's the most misunderstood yet most revered sampradayam across bharata varsha... From same shaktas doing bali and same shaktas opposing it. From vaidika worship to tantra upasana, from vamachara to dakshinachara... From asta lakshmis to dasa mahavidyas from worshipping women as swayam shakti.. The controller or trinity ( bramha, vishnu, shiva) to controlling women from upanayana samskaram.. Even not allowing to chant them pranava - Om. This diverse path of exploring devine demands extreme research and proper presentation,, will be expecting one detailed documentary on devine mother atleast before navaratri 2024 ;)
I am So Proud to be Born Hindu Tradition although outside Bharat. ❤ and appriciate your Effort to bring AWARENESS to HINDU Science and Litetature Brother.
The orgins of Shaivism is indeed in Kailash and Kashmir. But the way Tamil culture has kept it intact and still fighting for Dharma is itself commendable..🙏🏻
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Thank you for explaining Shaivism......I am from Kashmir,but didn't know about this though we do rituals but we have little knowledge about it. Abhinav Gupta's Shiv philosophy is still available a wonderful source that is here but there rest has been kept hidden ...because of more muslim influence in this region . Love & blessings to you ❤️🍁🙌🍁🤗
@@kusumvyas7446 As Sufism is more prominent here, so it is obvious to believe in saints but Shaivism is the main influence on everyone..even Muslims believe that Shiva is the Ultimate One in the whole world.🙏🍁🙌
First of all, Wonderful documentary!!! I like to add some thing here after watching the whole episode. You see these two Shaivism you narrated- Kashmir and Tamil, I don't see them as different types of Shaivism, but a continuation of same philosophy in different context. You see Tamil Shaivism is more into temple, music, rituals - a common man world as you correctly pointed out - however you can also see that as means of worshipping Shiva using the material/body senses. On the other had Kashmir Shaivism is more for the intellectual mind or should we understand as when a Sadhak leaves the material desire and move inwards s/he has to practise Kashmir Shaivism. So you see a Sadhak starts with Tamil Shaivism, by going to temples and following rituals and later as Sadhak moves spiritually end up doing Kashmir Shaivism. Just as Kundali moves from bottom - Muladhar to Top - Shashtrar - Tamil Sangam form the bottom of Bharata (Muladhaar - hence refered also in the name - Tiru-Mular) to Kashmir Shaivism which forms the top of Bharata (Shashtrar). Therefore you see these two Shaivism is not different but a continuous stream of knowledge from bottom to Top of Bharata.
Sir you should make a video on how contrary to mainstream narrative(Specially by Leftists and Neo Buddheists)Sati pratha never existed in Bharat at the first place only,it's a huge lie told in our school history books that sadly 99%of Hindus still belive and feel guilty about that!,even Jaipur dialogues Sanjay Dixit and Abhijit Chavda made a discussion video debunking that so I really want to to make a video on that topic as well,that video is needed!🙏🕉️
@@BittuGupta-mt2rj Tu pakka koi Navbodh hi hoga!,Ara nahi bhi Sati pratha kabhi Bharat mai exist hi nahi karti thi,agar mara upar bharosha na ho toh Jake who video dakh kar ah sab pata chal jayga!,aur tuh kab Gautam Buddha na Jo acchi-acchi bata Mahilayo ka liya kahi hai Kunal Jatak Tripitak mei uska bara Mai bolaga ra?!
@@Anubhavsengupta1902 megesthenese ne ape book mai khud sati ke bare mai likha hai aur tum log angrezo ko impress kar ne ke chakkar mai kuch bhi chutiyap kar te ho naam sirf hindu par soch puri english megesthenese chandragupta ke sabha mai tha geek historian jo kareeb 300 bce ke as pas aya tga sati pratha thi aur mujhe garv hai sati pratha pe aur hna jbar dasti nahi hoti thi aur vidabha(widow) pratha and vidabha ki sadi bhi hoti thi jake padh lo indica
@@Anubhavsengupta1902 pehele mai buddist nahi hnu dustri baat megesthense ne apne book mai sati naam se to nahi par sati pracrice ka varnana kiya hai aur jo sati pratha nahi karte wo vidhava pratha karti thi aisa spast likha hai aap indica padhe aur label bina lagaye bhi baat kiya ja sakta hai mai fhir kheta hnu sati pratha pe mujhe grav hai
@@aryabiju3376 thanks bro , because sri guru gorakshnath is one of the oldest and popular yogi who developed 100s of yoga postures which we do today (hatha yoga)
Just to pass some information guys....... Tirumurai that you have mentioned has 12 volumes. We consider Tirumurais equal to VEDAS. --->First 7 are called THEVARAM and are sung by THIRUGYANASAMBANDAR, THIRUNAAVUKARASAR AND SUNDARAR. (The three great saints travelled to various places and sung song. As of now we got song from 275 temples which are celebrated as paadal petra sthalams. ) --->The 8th has two parts - THIRUVASAGAM AND THIRUKOVAIYAR and is sung by MANICKAVASAGAR. Thiruvempaavai is one such poem in the Thiruvasagam which has 658 hymns in total. --->The 9th and 11th are sung by various DEVOTEES. Thiruvisaipaa and thirupallandu are osst famous ones. --->The 10th is THIRUMANDHIRAM sung by THIRUMOOLAR who is one of the 18 sidhars. The last PERIYAPURNAM is sung by SEKILAAR. Extraordinary work of PROJECT SHIVOHAM contnues. ALL the best
Can you please focus on the eastern and North eastern side of India too ....also focus on the out of India Hinduism. Especially the Indonesia, Cambodia, Vietnam, Nepal
Lord Kartikeya is worshipped the most in TN, Highest numbers of lord Kartikeya is found in TN, he is said to be sent by lord Shiva Himself to lead the Tamils.
@@Pulikaeshi i don't care ... About highest or lowest. But saying kartikeya puja is only in tamilnadu is a wrong statement. In Bengal and odisha every single house worship kartikeya. I don't know about other provinces but i have seen the statues of kartikeya in Nepal and North India too v
@@Pulikaeshi that's nice , but one thing to mention that before invasion lord kartikeya was intensely worshipped in bengal side (rajrshi nandy sir also mentioned this in trs podcast)
Very sad to see, destroyed ancient Temples , in Kashmir. Absolutely dedicated work of ancient human, under the name of civilization ignorant modern invaders destroyed, irreplaceable
Thank you very much for this video which explains Tamil Shaivism and Kashmiri Shaivism highlighting the similaries and differences. I was looking forward to this for some time. Your presentation is clear succinct and scholarly but even a non specialist can understand very well. Looking forward to more such videos.
At 17:11 This is so beautiful ..its like tamil shaivam preps you for the basics ..makes your foundation intact It takes care of first 4 steps of Ashtanga yoga Yum Niyum Asan Pranayam And the kashmir shaivism is the culmination of the 4 in to the later 4 Of Pratyahar Dharn Dhyan And finally Samadi ( becoming on with shiva, shifting from SaGuna to NirGuna) The beauty of this path is even if on takes only single step and explores it in its fullest even then they lead to Shiva..like Nrutya..if one masters it..he will get the darshan of Natraja form of Shiva..so beautiful 😍😍😍😍
Ashtanga yoga is not partly (from yamam to pranayama) followed in TN. Ashtanga yoga is the Siva yoga taught by God Siva in Siva Agama's yoga patalam. There are primarily 18 Siddhas from Tamil Nadu who did complete Ashtanga Siva yoga and attained Samadhi with supreme Shivam.
@@TruthSpeaker2000 YOU ARE WRONG ! shaivism broadly means the central philosophy revolves around/ishta devata is shiva , it does not mean all branches of shaivism have same philosophy , tantric shaivism has different philosophy , kashmirir shaivism has different philosophy , veerashaivism (lingayatism) has different philosophy
Thank you for highlighting the Kashmir Shaivism from my homeland, kashmir. People other than kashmiri pandits know very less about kashmir shaivism. You made a great video in highlighting it. ❤
Well it is not like that Shaivas in Southern India dont stress on philosophical base. Shaiva Agamas, which have manuals for building temple also have great philosophical discourses. The form Nataraj itself have deep philosophical meanings worshipped in Southern India widely. Kashmir(Trika) shaivism also stress much on bhakti also.
After The Dark side of Brahmin.. In a way it was understandable that This Doc Film is following up... Sir ji when any of your Doc Film Starts, the journey to the deepest parts of Cosmos begins and we get lost in black hole of Knowledge and reverence.... इति सर्वं शिवम.... As always thanks for uploading... Your Die Hard Fan... UD...
Sir you should make a video on the horrible Cast system in Buddheism that sadly 99%of Hindus still don't know!,that video is needed specially for all the Neo Buddheists in Bharat who only wants to blame and disrespect Hinduism,just because our modern day Hindus have a dangerous virus on them named Sickulerism that's why 99%of them talk about Islam only but I strongly belive that Buddheism should also be exposed!🔱🕉️
My God. What the author has not even mentioned the right name of Tamilnadu Saiva tradition which is Saiva siddhantha which is based exactly on Gnana patala of Siva agamas. TN Saiva religion is not limited only with Bhakthi. It includes Bhakthi, Tamil pann (music), Bharata natyam Dance, Service to God and Shiva Devotees, Yoga, elaborate Tantric poojas both in Temples (Parartha) as well as in home (athmartha) along with Mantra, mudra after attaining due Siva deeksha. All the four ways of attaining mukthi i.e Charya, Kriya, Yoga ang Jnana are very well explained, followed by devotees still. Debate scriptures such as Sivagnana Botham and Sivagnana siddhiyar and this list is very big. Sivagnana siddhiyar clearly explains the Pasupatha Saivam's principles and refutes how it has misunderstood Siva agama and how Saiva siddhantha clearly is based on Agamas. Only these Tamil literatures explain what is real meaning of Shivoham and Shivoyam brahmasmi. TN is blessed with Adi Saiva Sivachariya lineage who are down to earth from God SadaSiva's five faces. So much to tell. The author has said very little. Saiva siddhantha is atop of all religions viz Pasupatha Saivam, Pancharatra vaishnavam.
I know That As A Kashmiri Pandit But I Think What he Was Saying is In Tamil it Focuses More On Bhakti While in Kashmiri Shaivism More On Yogic Or Tantra and Considered Shiva Ji as Absolute .Its Even Much More Complicated Both worship Shiva
My few cents Based on my limited knowledge of Tamil Shaivism i would say it covers almost all aspects of Bhakti, yoga, karma and Gyana in an elaborate manner and has dvaita and advaita aspects in different places For example take kumbhabhishekam (temple consecration process) which is done for temples (built based on specific agama) every 12 years, it deals with the deities energy. Look at the yagasala structure and the yagya done. It contains mantras, tantra, yantra and other geometric structures related to the deity and its energy. The kalakarshana ritual deals with bringing life and energy to the idol with related mantras and nyasas The sivachariyars who are involved has to do saiva anushtana , shiva Pooja, boothashuddhi etc daily and it covers yoga, pranayama, mantra, Bhakti and many of the tantras in Vigyana Bhairava tantra in a much more elaborate manner. These are part of aathmartha puja which has to done by sivachariyars before doing parartha Pooja (temple and other Pooja done outside). Basically to build the shivoham bhavana and be one with shiva before doing temple Pooja The one thing I find very interesting in Kashmiri saivisam is spanda. Based on my understanding it is part Nataraja statue in his right arm holding a dhamaru which creates both vibration and sound symbolising creation. I am trying to see how this aspect is covered in any of the saiva agamas or saiva siddanta
Great Brother 💐 you took much effort to precisely say about both concepts of same destination शिवम् 🙏 But at 05:35 the Quote (சிவனே சிவனேயென்று... ) is different and your explanation is different. And at 10:36 your text as well as understanding is uncoordinated. I am sorry ! This is not to under estimate your effort. But to support you that you have ocean of literatures to jump in 🙏 சிவாய நம 🙏 शिवाय नम: 🙏 శివాయ నమః 🙏
Plz make a dedicated video about alvars,108 divya deshams,sri rangam,thirupavai and 4000 divya prabhandham. Why did a large section of vaishnava migrate to melukote in karnataka?
At CERN the statue of Shiva Nataraja is installed (the dance is rhythmic vibration). Ananda Thandavam is the destruction and creation of ignorance and illusions. He is also the embodiment of cosmic energy. Shiva as the cosmic force is not exclusive to Kashmir. Further, Shankaracharya carried Shivite philosophy all over India including Kashmir
Dr. Vedam, Thing to note is that like how agama shastras were adopted in the north and east; yantras were adopted and are a main place, especially in the Smarta traditions. Influences of tantra are also plenty; especially in places like Thiruvannamalai. Furthermore tantric vidya traditions developing for householders is certainly an influence of this confluence; and so is the work of the great Vidyaranya Swami which uses Tantric influences toward Vedantic pursuits (at least Advaita). Today these traditions mostly do not stand by themselves; almost everything has become composite. So I'm not sure calling them distinct is fair. But Thank you so much for this video. A very useful exercise in reclaiming our collective heritage!
Bonus Fact - Kāśmira Śaivism also made an important contribution in Bharatanātyam, greatest Ācārya of this tradition "Abhinavgupta" wrote a great commentary on this text named "Abhinavabhārati", it's only available commentary on this text.
Looks like Kashmir Shaivism is bit old … as they used yoga, mantra, tantra,yantra,nature , meditation, … which is bit primitive than huge temples with music and dance along with other thinks…
Sadhguru makes the perfect blend of both shaivism in Tamil Nadu. TBH many finds kashmiri shaivism alien to the tamil culture.... That's one of the reason many dislike sadhguru in Tamil Nadu...
The name Kashmir shaivism is a little misleading, at its peak it was very popular in the south and a lot of masters of this tradition were from the south.
10:32 thiruvempavai is not a single song .manikkavasagar composed 51 songs called thiruvasagam and 26 songs of thirukkovaiyaar . So thiruvempaavai belongs to thiruvasagam .
One of the most awaited topics by you Sir. Thanks for sharing. Glad that you're finally diving into the scriptures of Thamizh especially SaivaSidhanta scriptures namely Thirumandiram. Hope you'll explore more on this sects. Om NamaSivaya🙏
You content and it's quality is next level. This channel must get popular. If possible,then rework on it thumbnail ,title,video improvement to keep audience engaged by using images,pop,etc and tags. Bharat wing guys will like this and Congress-Leftist will meltdown on it
FAKE Abhinavagupta and his FAKE Pratyabhijnaare - all creations of East India company agents just like how they created tamil AGAMA, KAPALIKA , KAULA , KRAMA, SEX ORGY TANTRA, ANIMAL -HUMAN SACRIFICE etc
Lord shiva is considered son-in-law here in uttarakhand, we also have a temple, which is considered the place where Lord shiva and mata parvati. Trijuginarayan temple.
@@ripsanskrit3609 Bharat's civilisation is atleast 17,000+ years old. it originated in Saraswati sindhu region...indus valley is just one phase of saraswati sindhu civilisation...use your brain..stop copying pasting what is written in leftist woke wikipedia, leftist google, commie NCERT, woke chat gpt.
Hindus valley. India Indica is corrupt form of Hind. Sindh is Himalaya + Saraswati river (ghaghar river nowadays) hence sindh area but Hind means Himalayas + Indu sagar (Indian ocean). Hind is better it includes Saraswati river, Himalayas and Indu sagar. that's why Bharatiya military also call Jai Hind.
The IVC God in yogic posture resembles AYYAN the male God of Dravidian mythology. AYYAN Koil is located in midst of the forest situated in Pavanasam in Thirunelveli district in Tamilnadu. The local legend story says that AYYAN has spell/control over all the wild animals dwelling in the forest.
He is the leader of first Tamil sangam, and he is our king. Temple = koil (கோயில்) | ko = king (அரசன்) + il = home (வீடு) - Siva worship is the ancestor worship of Tamils. Tamilians have no gods from the sky but those who have lived and died with us are our God, i.e. our ancestors are our God.✅
Pl. be careful while referring to dates of Kashmir Shaivam. We are in the process of recovering , rediscovering & redefining after a period of slavery of thousand years . Moreover Kashmir Shaivam is abstruse difficult even for a siddha . We have 36 - tatvas in Kashmir Shaivam no where to be seen . 🎉
Well the Tamil shiavisam is also replete with the tantric and yogic practices of realising shiva, especially the Tamil siddha tradition is, thirumoolar's thirumandiram would be a perfect testimony, bhakti and karma were both intertwined in both these traditions.
What a beautiful documentary! Thanks for explaining this one Brother ❤ I always wondered why it used to be so simple in the North but too much grandeur in the South. Now I got the Answer ❤ Hari Aum 🙏🏻💮
Adi shakaracharya promotted samartha tradition of brahmam advaita philosophy not tamil saivam,sankaracharyas nothing to do with Tamil saivist tradition,They are not allowed to saivist sanctums if the appeared also the sanctum should be cleansed with milk and water.
@@sivaxsi I think you have to wash your sanctum of your mind and thoughts with knowledge and wisdom first , Secondly I think you being washing the sanctum since 1000 years
Hi Anna , The main Sampradaya now maximum parts of Southern Part and Some Parts of northern parts of Bharat are following is Smarta Sampradaya started by Adi Shankaracharya .This Sampradaya covers each and every household irrespective of their caste and status 🙏
@@sivaxsi who are you to allow 😂 All Shaivites and Vaishnavites should be grateful to Shankaracharya that he gave so many bhakti stotrams , commentaries and small books on complete understanding of shiva and Vishnu. He re-established Sanatana Dharma when india is on edge of losing its identity with Buddism and Jainism . You should be grateful for him for establishing 4 Peethas which are free from government and kings since 1000 years of invasions. You should be grateful for him for being a great Alvar and Nayanar who brought the unity in Sanatanis when we are fighting against each other like fools not knowing Shiva's tatva is Vishnu and Vishnu's tattva is Shiva . You should be grateful for him for establishing Sri Chakrams in most powerful kshetras allowing all of us to receive grace from Deity. You should grateful for him respecting and re establishing the Idols worship telling the importance to every part of India. Now a days getting the knowledge of Sadhana and Upasana to Rural parts of India is most important thing as they are leaving the religion most. He have done this way before 1000 years ago. Hara Hara Shankara Jaya Jaya Shankara 🔥✊
@@AllAbout_Advaitam I think you have seen what happen recently kanchi adhvaidists visited rameshwaram temple sanctum was purified because of their visit its saivist custom.tamil saivism won't accept advaitist smartha ideology.Whether you accept it or not.lot of events already happen in thirunelveli nellaiyappar temple also.its saivist custom .
@@sivaxsi Hi Can you provide an article on this ? . By the way is this mentioned in Shaiva Agamas ? And moreover the Advaita philosophy is vedic philosophy there is no wrong in Advaita . The Dvaita , Vishishtadvaita and Advaita all coming from Vedas . And these three schools have Vedas as their main Book. My Lord Dakshinamurthy signifies Advaita philosophy. If you are not accepting advaita then you are indirectly not accepting linga tattva and Dakshinamurthy tattva of Shiva
Kāshmīra shaivam or Kaulam emerged from tamilnadu in the banks of river Tāmraparnī. This is told in Shiva rahasya mahakavyam and abhinava gupta's tantraloka.
This is what happens when you have a ridiculously miniaturized understanding of SHIVA and the integral TATVA! Brazen erratic and misleading info in this video: (1) Shaivism of South India need not mean Shaivism of Tamilnadu alone. Stop extrapolating the Tamilnadu hegemony onto the rest of South India. The tradition of VEERASHAIVA is older than the Tamil culture and it originated in Karnataka. Even today, the Acharyas or Peetadhipatis who head the most importanat and oldest Shiva shrines of KEDAR PEETHA in the Himalayas, and KASHI PEETHA in Varanasi and in the Pashupatinatha temple in Nepal are VEERASHAIVAS from the North Karnataka region. This practice is in existence since millennia. There isn't a single example of a Tamil Shiva Acharya being chosen as the Chief Acharya of any of the most prominent Shiva Shrines in North India and abroad. Therefore, Shaivisim in the South has its roots in Karnataka and it's only in later periods that Tamilnadu inherited that Shaivsim from Karnataka. Apparently, you have very narrow understanding of the oldest scriptures written on Shaivism in Karnataka. Even the Shaivism in Kerala and Andhra region has its own roots. So, stop this nonsense of extending the Shaivism of Tamilnadu as that of entire South India's. (2) Kashmir Shaivism is not all about only esoteric or tantric denominations and isn't lacking in Bhakti principle. Again, your myopic understanding of these intricate aspects leads to such callous conclusions. The very word 'Agama' has a deep connotation of Tantric traditions. Then, what's Tantric tradition? Put simply, Tantric tradition means anything and everything that assigns a definite form to the DEVA or DEVI and indulges in severe penance. All the statues, murtis, temples etc are a direct result of Tantric traditions. This word Tantric is by far the most wrongly interpreted word. Some idiots ascribe the regressive blackmagic or witchcraft practices to ancient Hindu Tantric traditions. The Kashmir (or the Northern side of India) had many Shiva temples. So, your assertion that Shaivism in Southern part is more of Bhakti oriented and that of North is esoteric in essence is as ridiculously hopeless as the situation of those each blind persons who go on to describe the elephant as the part of its whole body - none being aware of its complete structure and each thinking it to be what they touched on its body. That's the exact position of yours. Learn to get a more comprehensive view by reading diverse scriptures before making sweeping generalizations. (3) Whether Kashmir or any Southern part of India, the Shiva worship has its roots in the Rig Veda itself. Particularly, out of the 10 mandalas, the oldest mandalas of 2 to 7 give foundational directions. All of the Agamic texts and other scriptures such as Puranas take those elements and make some modifications so as to make the cryptic Vedic verses become more easy to relate with ordinary lives of common people. That means, there's no such thing as Northern Shaivism or Deccan Shaivism. All Shaivism has originated from the Vedas of the Vedic epoch of IVC. Hence, it is SHAIVISM of BHARAT that would be the right way to put it. Minor ritualistic differences are just a case of diverse perception and not of distinct segregation into two or more groups as you have done in your video. SHIVA is the greatest unifier of our ancient land of Bharat. Try not to make glaikit videos that would potentially mislead the unsuspecting folks into thinking that there's a religious disconnect between the North and the South. Adi Shankara precisely fought this menace during his lifetime by indulging in Shastrarthas (philosophical duels) with those who thought there is BHEDA or discord in the way Shiva-Tatva is understood across our Nation of Bharat. Lastly, refrain from making sweeping generalizations on issues where diverse perceptions of the same Tatva or Philosophy such as SHIVA-TATVA do exist and they need not warrant any compartmentalization into geographic divides by branding them as North Shaivism and South Shaivism. HE, SHIVA is ONE whether it's North or South or East or West. Adhere to this SHIVA-TATVA - That's the essence of Bharat's religious identity. Om Namaha Shivaya 🕉
Good, now please explain that in a simple and holistic way such that people can understand. We tried our best to breakdown in simplest way possible not reducing any sect of Shaivam.
Here comes the intolarent Kannadigas lol . Looking at your comment shiva himself Will feel upset .. The narrator just gave the difference between kashmiri Shaivisim and Tamil Shaivisim...no where he mentioned about other south Indian tradition or any hegemony or supermacy... And looking at your comment 🤣 only one thing is evident low esteem.... How is veerashiva is older than Tamil culture????? Could you please explain... The concept of veerashiva is evident only after 8th century A.D... Tamil Shaivisim is from 5th century A.D ..and Tamil shaiva Siddantha is the most prominent shaiva tradition from south India that spread across globe. .. Check iraivan temple in Kauai UAS. And south east Asian countries ...if you want to sum up veerashiva could have gentle add up instead showed your regional hatred . Shame on you...
@@ProjectShivoham In simple terms: What makes you call the practice of Shaivism in all southern states as Tamil Shaivism? Is Tamil a term that represents entire South India? Between 1.45 to 2.10 TL you say that explicitly that when you say Tamil Shaivism you mean the Southern region of geography and NOT Tamilnadu alone. Really? That's plain wrong. If you want to explain the Shaivism of Tamilnadu then do so but DO NOT equate entire South India to Tamilnadu. Practice of Shiva-Tatva can't be regionalized like that. IN EVEN MORE SIMPLE TERMS: SHAIVISM IN SOUTHERN STATES HAS ITS OWN ESSENTIAL IDENTITY WITH EVERY SOUTHERN STATES. DO NOT EQUATE IT WITH ANY ONE PARTICULAR STATE. {P.S: Some comments below think it's about 'Regional hatred' etc. I can only wish them speedy recovery. When logical thinking and rationality are in stark absence, such chauvinistic comments are all but natural.}
I'm so suprised how you are trying to divide the culture, while all other civilisations all over the globe are trying to say one truth in different way. It was too ignorant that you made a comment that Tamil shaivism is all about temples and statues which you said is not intellectual, why don't you try reading Thevaram and say? We are ignorant to separate bhakthi and knowledge when both are like two sides of a coin.The fact is the shape of nataraja was made according to the celestial star positions and it very well explains string theory well which is celebrated widely in south. Bharathanatyam itself is considered as cosmic dance, its more scientifical.I worked in this field too, it has enormous benefits to the body, the dance itself contains yoga in it. Since I researched in this field, Nataraja itself its the cosmic in existence. If we decode the ancient songs sung by Tamil poets its nothing but Maths and Science, its like hidden in plain sight. The rituals, festivals aren't celebrated with scientific purpose, we need to look more deep to understand that. Iconography exists in all temples, every element in temple has its own iconography, the detailed sculpture are a perfect example of iconography. There is no temple without Yantra, every temple composition is made of yantra you mentioned only Kashmir shaivisim has that shows you need to dig more deep in Temple architecture. These elaborate temple have much more to say not just beautiful to the sight but has more deeper meanings and one can only understand if he starts to go within. The first devotee of lord shiva in south is Nandhi the sacred bull, then comes nalvar. Again Mantra, tantra and yantra goes together, there is nothing without these three. "TOO BAD YOU SAID TERMED THE TAMIL SHAIVISM MERELY TO JUST AESTHETICS WHEN ITS MUCH MORE" you should dig more deeper into Tamil shaivisim, before terming it as a superficial thing. Let me tell you one thing, its both the same, when you look little more deeper, the intellectual part is always kept hidden in plain sight only those who try to know these, the truths will be known to him that's all Tamil shaivism is! I'm not against Kashmir Shaivisim either, being a Shiva devotee myself. Its just that in Kashmir Shaivism its kept raw and natural while in south its made for even the common people to benefit from the hidden form. Only who search for knowledge, it shall be given! I made these statements in a polite way. Dig a little more deeper, you will find glorious oceans of knowledge my friend. have a nice day!
Nice comparison. Thanks P.S. ! It sounds as if both Shaiva sampradaaya split the different types of Yoga (Gnana yoga, Raja Yoga, Karma yoga and Bhakthi Yoga) among themselves, with some overlap.
This is a very superficial and at times even wrong explanation of kashmiri shaivism. By saying kashmiri shaivism is only for intellectual an entire lineage of saints have been denied by the video also this rejects the bhava rasa theory of abhinava gupta which is logical explanation of how bhakti works. 2nd mistake kashmiri shaivism is not necessarily northern shaivism coz kashmiri shaivism never had much influence on northern plains which were and are mostly vaishnavites. Main influence kashmiri shaivism had is on tibetan buddhism. 3rd video explains spandan theory but fails to connect it to vedantic thought but connects it to string theory. String theory at most can be a sub branch or something that can be derived from kashmiri shaivism does not explain whole shaivism. 4th kashmiri shaivism is designed to bring tantra to everyday abhinava gupta in tantraloka says my methods are designed to make methods of tantra a part of everyday for people from varied backgrounds who in their daily life may follow social restriction but with my method can experience param shaiva. I don’t think tamil shaivism would also be only bhakti would love to hear explanation from learnt tamil shaiv brahmin.
Tamil saivam is deep and complete. It's not learned by brahmins, it's for anyone who wants eternal Bliss. In saivam there's no caste, caste based on birth is diluted by karma and karma is burned by God. So caste, is insignificant.
Combining the fact that theres more IVC genes over south indian population, and centering it on Shiva aaradhana, one may clearly see the migrations that happened from IVC to south regions. Shiva is the one thing that destroys all this Aryan invasion-migration thing.
What is Hinduism? +++++++++++++++ I have long pondered on what constitutes this so called religion that is sitting on the head of my Tamizh people and have come up with some conclusions .... The priest from the Zoroastrian religion came to india with their Avestan language and fire rituals and later created some slogans in old Sanskrit to form the Vedas which was never written down. These priest learnt the principles of the Samana tradition that originated in the southern part of the sub continent namely in the Tamizh tradition and started incorporating it into their already existent vaiteegam rituals and produced the Upanishads and became vegetarians. For a solid philosophical footing which they needed in a highly philosophical Tamizh infused land about the 8th century Adi Sankara came up with Advaita logic that distorted the original Buddhist thoughts and produced a dichotomical nonsense which did not last the test of time. Later they took up the Tantric Samana Tamizh tradition and put forth the bakti religiosity. This they took also from the Christian tradition and desperately created for the Islamic onslaught. Bakti was based on erotism and appealed to the masses. The high Samana tantric philosophical basis was ruined for the newly conjectured 'Hindu' religion of the wretched puranic tales. This is the history of the Priestly class(Brahmins) that still retain their priesthood in the agamic temples that held sway through the bakti movement from the 10th century onwards. The consecutive non-Tamizh rulers firmly rooted the new found 'Hindu' religion with its caste system( the four varnas) that the British gave the final seal to....
@@ProjectShivoham the same I'm asking you for your trafficked Hinduism from the Samana tradition...you can't even give one iota of sound reason of you new found stupidly twisted Hinduism...
Tamil saivism, kailash saivism, Kashmir saivism......., islam,....islam tibet savisam le irundi vandadu dan,..somnath mudal jyothirlingam dan makka vil irukaradu... prophet baba nabi baba avangal dan islam gurumargal....avangaloda thyagam dan iniki islam....
Namaste everyone! Foreigner here! I've been to Bharat 12 times in this lifetime, from north to south. I've been to 7 of the 12 Jyotirlingas, from Kedarnath to Rameshwaram. Also, I have visited 4 of the 5 Panchabhoota Sthalams, been Arunachaleshwara my dearest one. For the first time in so many years I have found a simple but well explained information on the worship of Shiva in Bharat. Having been to so many Shiv temples, I have had the chance to witness the striking difference between north and south Shaivism. Now I have a better understanding on how and why things are done in Shiv temples throughout Bharat.
Thanks for this documentary, it is a very much needed topic, mostly as "yoga" has spread it wings in a global way and most people don't have a clue on the true roots of Yoga.
Yes. True Siva yoga is different from many yoga ways at present. These different sadhanas including sankya will not liberate a soul except Shiva Yoga as explained in Shiva agamas and Thirumanthiram will give Swarupya mukthi.
And in the name of Sri Arunachaleshwara, being a Tiruvannamalaian, I welcome you to my hometown.
@@greatmanIND May Arunachaleshwara bless you...
@@greatmanINDthere is no such thing as Shiva yoga , yoga is yoga , go read Shiva Samhita , lord Shiva tells Mata Parvati that in all of Mat (beliefs) the Yoga is the best and it's just Yoga which originated from Vedas , not Shiva yoga or Vishna Yoga or any other .
As always highly informative and inspiring ❤❤❤🕉
@@RaviChaudhary-ys2re That's all u know. There are various schools of yoga. Go and read agamas.
*I loved the Tamil aspect of Shaivism as explained in this video.*
*Jai Shiva Shambu. Namo Parvati Pataye Har Har Mahadeva. 🚩🚩🚩🕉️🕉️*
❤❤❤Loved it brother....
But as a Tamil Saivam follower, I can say what are all the differences you said (yogam, tantram, yantram, nature=shiva....) all are there in Tamil Saivam also....😊
I'm happy to hear it also exists in Kashmira Saivam...
Thanks ❤
I agree. The only unbiased channel .
It's biased too . Look at his other videos
@@ripsanskrit3609 Yes the biased will see truth as biased only.
@@ripsanskrit3609 your handlename itself suggests your thoughts
Very wrong informative. Agami/Tantric texts are from the mouth of Supreme God Siva for the sake of Anava mala paripaka of all His devotees across Bharat. Not confined oly to Tamil, Kapaalika, Kashmir or other schools of Shaivism.
Kashmir Saivam is confined only to yoga path. Very selected texts. Very limited literatures. Unaware of Siva agama in right sense.
But Tamil Saiva siddhantha comprises all the four paths to salvation.
1.Charya - Salokya mukthi - Appar
2. Kriya - Samipya mukthi - Sambandhar
3.Yoga - Saarupya mukthi - Sundarar, Thirumoolar
4.Jnana - Saayujya mukthi - Manikkavasagar
In addition, Tamil Saivam includes pure bhakthi with poem, dance and music.
But this documentary portrays Kashmir Saivam is more philosophical than Tamil Saivam.
The Kashmir's Pasupatha Saivam is almost similar to Tamil Saiva siddhantha except the difference in status of Mukthi. In Kashmir saivam, the mukthanma (liberated soul) becomes independent, omniscient, omnipotent and all pervasive.
Whereas in Tamil Saivam, the mukthanma is always dependent to Shiva. Soul's limited knowledge and actions become omniscient and omnipotent but it cannot do Panchakritya (Srushti, Sthithi, Sankaram, Thirobavam, Anugraham) like Shiva. Soul will be trikala jnani (past present future) until it is merged with Shiva in Paramoksha named Sayujya moksha. If atman is unmerged, its knowledge will be limited once again. But it is said that once if an atma merges with Siva never reverts. So the mukthi is blissful.
Bro why are you fighting in name of shaivism nanu tamil dha, yenodiye ooru kuda thiruvannamalai anna bro I respect both tamil and kashmir shaivism
@@VijayKumara-dd2nt Brother these are not fights but debates which lasted for very very long period in Bharat. Nothing about dishonor. Speaking truth is important. So I just put forward what is not said by author.
I have respect for many documentaries of Project Shivoham.
I wish the author could have atleast taken reference from Thirumanthiram, Sivagnana Botham and Sivagnana siddhiyar. Because people started thinking Tamil Shaivam just has bhakthi, dance and temple rituals but do not have higher philosophy. Is it true??
Tantra Originated From Kashmir what Are You High On It Later Absorbed In your One And All Those One Which You mentioned Has Already Exist In North lol@@greatmanIND
@@Shiva-nx1tn At which place in kashmir 😂😂
@@Shiva-nx1tn Kashmir Saivism only has yoga. How many of you are yogis 😂😂
Well researched video ❤hara om Tat sat 🕉
Can u do research on pashupat shaivism too which was before and after lakulish
As dalit 💙💙 i like hindu culture of hindus . I don't even know about these things in your religion learning about different culture and religion is my new Interest .your religion is very different from normal religion . Im still learning about your religion 💙
You mean this is abnormal religion? So….what IS normal religion according to you?!
@@meenu999 mainstream religion oa. I respect your religion it's not normal for non Hindus
For example me as dalit learning about Tamil shavaism and kashmir shavism is new discovery i didn't knew about it .
I only know few thing about your religion. 🆗
@@Kart546 But you NEED NOT know it! It’s perfectly ok!! What you must know about is all the jaatis WITHIN the Dalit groups and THEIR culture, traditions, beliefs and lifestyle. Only then you can have a strong identity in your own community. Just like I don’t know any deep details about Islam though I had a muslim woman Najma as a friend for more than five years. I need not know beyond basics. I need to have a clear identity of myself, unswayed by whoever my friends are..be centered in your natural god given identity for this lifetime! Btw, you didn’t answer my question about what’s a normal religion according to you.
@@meenu999i didn't mean it's bad but it's just about mainstream worldwide religions . So obviously as dalit I'm alien to Hinduism
I didn't know this much .
As dalit I find it difficult to process. As non Hindu we have difficulties in understanding Hinduism maybe you donno
@@Kart546 "learning about different culture and religion is my new Interest " you are in india . i don't think you have say it different culture but different customs but not essentially different. feeling like a foreginer in india . 🙄🙄🙄 you too are indian.don't to wrap your head on everything. fundamental shift needed for you to understand hinduism is that it is not one god or one supreme god exists , and there is no standard book to say this is hinduism as what you meant by normal religion(a ook for interpretation). In hinduism , many paths many dieties as paths to salvation with shiva , vishnu , sakthi , ayyappa all ,with rightoeuness and correct you can be capable and powerful to match the devatas. shiva or hindu deites of your personal choice dwells in soul.
Wonderful and clear explanations ! I am more attracted to the Kashmiri Shaivism , as a yogini . Greetings from Switzerland 🇨🇭 🙏📿🕉
What a explanation sir...thanks a lot from tamilnadu 🙏🏼திருச்சிற்றம்பலம்🙏🏼நமசிவாய🙏🏼
@@RK-fe9jj
திருச்சிற்றம்பலம்
A Sad thing is that, in Our Country, We worship politicians and film stars like Gods,
And neglect the Real One! such that We have sunk so low that We use places of Sacredness and
Worship as Tourist places, like Maa Kamakhya's Hills and Temple are not your picnic spot,
It's too Sacred to be tampered by the Government, and Must be protected from Government's hands,
BJP and Congress Will come and go, but Maa and Dharma Are Eternal
We, being her sons and daughters, Must Protect Her and Dharma
I don't agree with your last line
@@ritadas4046 Wouldn't u protect your own Mother if u knew She was in Danger?
Cant agree more❤
@@RickRoy117 people have emotional attachment & worship them. That's why they're God. The people which you think are Gods were actually saviours in ancient times & that's why they are also Gods.
@@RickRoy117 the person whom people worship becomes a God. That's it. What's your definition of God??
Tamil nadu is the head quarter's of both Shaivisim and. Sri vaishnavism...bhakthi marka started in T.N spread across bharath ...
SHAIVISIM -
T.N is the land of shiva temples more than 40000 temples dedicated to lord shiva that are millennium old ..
*63 nayanars contributed to tamil Shaivisim
Sri VAISHNAVISIM
T.N is the land of Vishnu temple.more than 20000 temples dedicated to lord vishnu( perumal)...
Out Of 108 divya desa of sri mahavishu majority 84 temples are present in T.N alone...
* 12 tamil alwar saint contributed to Sri vaishnavism tradition in T.N sri Ramanuja acharaya from srirangam Tamil Nadu...
Tamil Saivam is not just bhakti oriented, addressing common person's devotional needs. While it encompasses this path of bhakti, it has its own esoteric, gnaana path as well. Tirumular's Tirumandiram is one such example of this esoteric attribute of Tamil Saivam.
actually its more spiritual shaivism, like if you take the work of thirumoolar, it beautifully explains maths and yoga
He came from North India to South India
@@pratik_1241 The source for this information?
The video is right at its place . But one of the prominent ways to connect Shiva in North India is also Bhakti .
Here in North India we listen to songs and Bhajan of Shivan . And visit the Shrines like Kashi , Jyotirling , Amarnath... .
I as an North Indian really loved the way Thamizhians preached Shivabhakti .
{ Special Thanks to @Mere Shiv }
And talking about the tantra . Some Buddhists mixed the panchamakar in tantra . And people started associating Tantra with Tona Totka .
Therefore in the name of worship and rituals , sadhak started harassing women and girls , and started doing Animal Sacrifices ... .
As a result Maa Kamakhya has left the Shaktipeeth . In the previous year the Brahmputra river didn't even get red after Ambubachi Parv .
And in this year's Ambubachi Parv , Maa Kamakhya has totally resided in Karauli Shankar Mahadev Dham , Kanpur .
But here in spite of seeing how one culture is different from the other , we should see how it is interconnected ( ex. Varna System )
ஓம் நமச்சிவாய
@@pratik_1241 for you this video might be, as i worked in this field, I would say the video superficial observed Tamil Shaivism, while its much more than most people know.
Tamil saivam is not only about bhakti but also about philosophy, the Saiva Siddhantam of Meykandar who lived around 12th century wrote extensively about the 36 tattvams and means to attain Shiva in Shiva Gnana bodham, Thirumandhiram speaks about Yogic practices. The writings of siddhars like Bogar, sivavakkiyar speaks about ashta siddhis, healing aspects and philosophy.
I was going to write the same.
Make a documentary on local deities , especially from southern states, Maharashtra,goa, odisha, Himalayan States,North East.
We need both sampradaayalu to understand Siva. Tamila sampradaayam brings an entity close to Siva, a connection is formed. A foundation. Kasmira sampradaayam is next level, advanced thathvam. Both will make you realise Siva in their own ways and that's what is ultimately desired.
Project Shivoham is among the greatest things to ever happen for Hindus of this yuga. Hope in the future you will bring out more videos regarding Shakta Sampradayas and Vaishnava Sampradayas across India.
Really?? Listen to Osho then. He will definitely shake your beliefs
Tamil shivam is LOVE, not seen as destroyer. SO much love even for people who are so greed, cruel, ... gave alwazys a chance to refine ourself.
@@LakneswaranKrishnan-q4c Shiva is always KALYANKARI . Rudra is Samhaar karika. Samhaar has different connotation from destroyer. In Kashmir Shivanga there is nothing like destroyer. It is SARJAN & VISARJAN .
u really feel that the deep philosophical metaphors given in vedas are that much straight forward ? atleast don't divide my lord shiva maheswara , in whole bharatam and whole asia atleast he is love , not only just in tamil
@@rggrrggr290 Isha Vasyam idam Sarvam .
Love the awesome depth of wisdom in these comments. Good to know that there are other people who who are interested in the same wisdom.
A dedicated vedio on shaktism is must, it's the most misunderstood yet most revered sampradayam across bharata varsha... From same shaktas doing bali and same shaktas opposing it. From vaidika worship to tantra upasana, from vamachara to dakshinachara... From asta lakshmis to dasa mahavidyas from worshipping women as swayam shakti.. The controller or trinity ( bramha, vishnu, shiva) to controlling women from upanayana samskaram.. Even not allowing to chant them pranava - Om. This diverse path of exploring devine demands extreme research and proper presentation,, will be expecting one detailed documentary on devine mother atleast before navaratri 2024 ;)
I am So Proud to be Born Hindu Tradition although outside Bharat.
❤ and appriciate your Effort to bring AWARENESS to HINDU Science and Litetature Brother.
శివుడు ఒక్కడే కాశ్మీర్ అయినా కన్యాకుమారీ అయినా
Whole universe
@@araron6820 correct 💯 Sir
ஓம் நமசிவாய
The orgins of Shaivism is indeed in Kailash and Kashmir.
But the way Tamil culture has kept it intact and still fighting for Dharma is itself commendable..🙏🏻
Yes and they don't need to vote for bjp to prove their hindu credentials
@@Bhrugurajwell said
@@Bhruguraj💯
No wonder
BJP : Brastachar Jumla Party
Close to achieve absolute
🥀🥀RAM Rajya🥀🥀
Jumla maharaja ki Jai
Teleprompter Chakravarthi ki jai
Feku fukir ki jai
Santa baba ki jai
VISWHAGURU ki....... 🤣
Saab log bolo
🌹🌹Jai Shree Ram🌹🌹
@@BhrugurajBut they need to kickout DMK to prove that. Elect aiadmk if you don't like BJP.
Don't mislead, saivisam in tamilnadu is as old as tamil culture itself.
Thank you for explaining Shaivism......I am from Kashmir,but didn't know about this though we do rituals but we have little knowledge about it. Abhinav Gupta's Shiv philosophy is still available a wonderful source that is here but there rest has been kept hidden ...because of more muslim influence in this region . Love & blessings to you ❤️🍁🙌🍁🤗
@@santoshtrisal2107 KPS worship Bab and other Saints who worked on Shavism but don’t delve into Shaivism per se .
@@kusumvyas7446
As Sufism is more prominent here, so it is obvious to believe in saints but Shaivism is the main influence on everyone..even Muslims believe that Shiva is the Ultimate One in the whole world.🙏🍁🙌
First of all, Wonderful documentary!!! I like to add some thing here after watching the whole episode. You see these two Shaivism you narrated- Kashmir and Tamil, I don't see them as different types of Shaivism, but a continuation of same philosophy in different context. You see Tamil Shaivism is more into temple, music, rituals - a common man world as you correctly pointed out - however you can also see that as means of worshipping Shiva using the material/body senses. On the other had Kashmir Shaivism is more for the intellectual mind or should we understand as when a Sadhak leaves the material desire and move inwards s/he has to practise Kashmir Shaivism. So you see a Sadhak starts with Tamil Shaivism, by going to temples and following rituals and later as Sadhak moves spiritually end up doing Kashmir Shaivism. Just as Kundali moves from bottom - Muladhar to Top - Shashtrar - Tamil Sangam form the bottom of Bharata (Muladhaar - hence refered also in the name - Tiru-Mular) to Kashmir Shaivism which forms the top of Bharata (Shashtrar). Therefore you see these two Shaivism is not different but a continuous stream of knowledge from bottom to Top of Bharata.
Sir you should make a video on how contrary to mainstream narrative(Specially by Leftists and Neo Buddheists)Sati pratha never existed in Bharat at the first place only,it's a huge lie told in our school history books that sadly 99%of Hindus still belive and feel guilty about that!,even Jaipur dialogues Sanjay Dixit and Abhijit Chavda made a discussion video debunking that so I really want to to make a video on that topic as well,that video is needed!🙏🕉️
Sati pratha did exsist
@@BittuGupta-mt2rj Tu pakka koi Navbodh hi hoga!,Ara nahi bhi Sati pratha kabhi Bharat mai exist hi nahi karti thi,agar mara upar bharosha na ho toh Jake who video dakh kar ah sab pata chal jayga!,aur tuh kab Gautam Buddha na Jo acchi-acchi bata Mahilayo ka liya kahi hai Kunal Jatak Tripitak mei uska bara Mai bolaga ra?!
@@Anubhavsengupta1902 megesthenese ne ape book mai khud sati ke bare mai likha hai aur tum log angrezo ko impress kar ne ke chakkar mai kuch bhi chutiyap kar te ho naam sirf hindu par soch puri english megesthenese chandragupta ke sabha mai tha geek historian jo kareeb 300 bce ke as pas aya tga sati pratha thi aur mujhe garv hai sati pratha pe aur hna jbar dasti nahi hoti thi aur vidabha(widow) pratha and vidabha ki sadi bhi hoti thi jake padh lo indica
@@BittuGupta-mt2rj Jhutha refference dakar mujha babakuf mat bana!,mara sawal ka jawab da!😂😂😂😂
@@Anubhavsengupta1902 pehele mai buddist nahi hnu dustri baat megesthense ne apne book mai sati naam se to nahi par sati pracrice ka varnana kiya hai aur jo sati pratha nahi karte wo vidhava pratha karti thi aisa spast likha hai aap indica padhe aur label bina lagaye bhi baat kiya ja sakta hai mai fhir kheta hnu sati pratha pe mujhe grav hai
Can you please make a video on Advaita vedanta and smarta tradition, if you are searching for new topic.
Always waiting for your videos.
Keep going sir, big fan of yours
🙏🌷💮திருநீலகண்டம்🌷🌺🙏❤❤❤❤❤🎉
The part of siddhargal in tamil saivism should be mentioned. They intimated about meditation. Seyon in kailai should be also explored.
Also korakkar or goraksh nath was part of both sampradayas
@@aryabiju3376 sri guru gorakshnath is called korakkar in tamil ? (i dont know tamil)
@@rggrrggr290 yes , he came down to south and considered one among the 18 sidhars(one who attained sidhis )this includes Agastya muni also.
@@rggrrggr290 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korakkar gee you go
@@aryabiju3376 thanks bro , because sri guru gorakshnath is one of the oldest and popular yogi who developed 100s of yoga postures which we do today (hatha yoga)
Allaudin Kilji destroyed Meenakshi/Sundareshvara temple.
Just to pass some information guys....... Tirumurai that you have mentioned has 12 volumes. We consider Tirumurais equal to VEDAS.
--->First 7 are called THEVARAM and are sung by THIRUGYANASAMBANDAR, THIRUNAAVUKARASAR AND SUNDARAR.
(The three great saints travelled to various places and sung song. As of now we got song from 275 temples which are celebrated as paadal petra sthalams. )
--->The 8th has two parts - THIRUVASAGAM AND THIRUKOVAIYAR and is sung by MANICKAVASAGAR. Thiruvempaavai is one such poem in the Thiruvasagam which has 658 hymns in total.
--->The 9th and 11th are sung by various DEVOTEES. Thiruvisaipaa and thirupallandu are osst famous ones.
--->The 10th is THIRUMANDHIRAM sung by THIRUMOOLAR who is one of the 18 sidhars. The last PERIYAPURNAM is sung by SEKILAAR.
Extraordinary work of PROJECT SHIVOHAM contnues. ALL the best
Can you please focus on the eastern and North eastern side of India too ....also focus on the out of India Hinduism. Especially the Indonesia, Cambodia, Vietnam, Nepal
You should look towards east ... In Bengal and odissa we have the tradition of kartikeya Puja
Lord Kartikeya is worshipped the most in TN, Highest numbers of lord Kartikeya is found in TN, he is said to be sent by lord Shiva Himself to lead the Tamils.
@@Pulikaeshi i don't care ... About highest or lowest. But saying kartikeya puja is only in tamilnadu is a wrong statement. In Bengal and odisha every single house worship kartikeya.
I don't know about other provinces but i have seen the statues of kartikeya in Nepal and North India too v
@@Pulikaeshi Aa a tamilian myself I disagree with you murugan is not tamil god, murugan belongs to everyone and everyone can worship him
@@Pulikaeshi that's nice , but one thing to mention that before invasion lord kartikeya was intensely worshipped in bengal side (rajrshi nandy sir also mentioned this in trs podcast)
please mention few temple for Lord Karthikeyan in these state. In which day you have the karthieya puja. we eagrly want to know.
Very sad to see, destroyed ancient Temples , in Kashmir.
Absolutely dedicated work of ancient human, under the name of civilization ignorant modern invaders destroyed, irreplaceable
Your level of research is commendable. Its very much appreciated. Thank you
Thank you very much for this video which explains Tamil Shaivism and Kashmiri Shaivism highlighting the similaries and differences. I was looking forward to this for some time. Your presentation is clear succinct and scholarly but even a non specialist can understand very well. Looking forward to more such videos.
There is lots of confusion about "vedic mathematics". I hope you will cover this topic as soon as possible.
At 17:11
This is so beautiful ..its like tamil shaivam preps you for the basics ..makes your foundation intact
It takes care of first 4 steps of Ashtanga yoga
Yum
Niyum
Asan
Pranayam
And the kashmir shaivism is the culmination of the 4 in to the later 4
Of
Pratyahar
Dharn
Dhyan
And finally Samadi ( becoming on with shiva, shifting from SaGuna to NirGuna)
The beauty of this path is even if on takes only single step and explores it in its fullest even then they lead to Shiva..like Nrutya..if one masters it..he will get the darshan of Natraja form of Shiva..so beautiful 😍😍😍😍
There is no concept of tamil shaivsm.. kashmiri saivam.. it's only one shaivatism
Ashtanga yoga is not partly (from yamam to pranayama) followed in TN. Ashtanga yoga is the Siva yoga taught by God Siva in Siva Agama's yoga patalam. There are primarily 18 Siddhas from Tamil Nadu who did complete Ashtanga Siva yoga and attained Samadhi with supreme Shivam.
Kuch Bi!
@@TruthSpeaker2000 YOU ARE WRONG ! shaivism broadly means the central philosophy revolves around/ishta devata is shiva , it does not mean all branches of shaivism have same philosophy , tantric shaivism has different philosophy , kashmirir shaivism has different philosophy , veerashaivism (lingayatism) has different philosophy
Thank you for highlighting the Kashmir Shaivism from my homeland, kashmir. People other than kashmiri pandits know very less about kashmir shaivism.
You made a great video in highlighting it.
❤
Well it is not like that Shaivas in Southern India dont stress on philosophical base. Shaiva Agamas, which have manuals for building temple also have great philosophical discourses. The form Nataraj itself have deep philosophical meanings worshipped in Southern India widely.
Kashmir(Trika) shaivism also stress much on bhakti also.
Tamil shaivism is bhakti marg and kashmir is meditation path ie to bring yourself in sate of rest to get god realization.😊
After The Dark side of Brahmin.. In a way it was understandable that This Doc Film is following up... Sir ji when any of your Doc Film Starts, the journey to the deepest parts of Cosmos begins and we get lost in black hole of Knowledge and reverence.... इति सर्वं शिवम.... As always thanks for uploading... Your Die Hard Fan... UD...
Sir you should make a video on the horrible Cast system in Buddheism that sadly 99%of Hindus still don't know!,that video is needed specially for all the Neo Buddheists in Bharat who only wants to blame and disrespect Hinduism,just because our modern day Hindus have a dangerous virus on them named Sickulerism that's why 99%of them talk about Islam only but I strongly belive that Buddheism should also be exposed!🔱🕉️
Both are beautiful, expressed different ways, and there is an overlap also. Om 🕉 Namah Shivaya.
Your videos are always well researched and godly and unbiased
Shaivas from Kashmir and Shaivas from Tamil ✅✅✅
👏👏👏 si right said, the temples of south india are so grand and well kept bcos north indian temples took the hit🙏🙏🙏
My God. What the author has not even mentioned the right name of Tamilnadu Saiva tradition which is Saiva siddhantha which is based exactly on Gnana patala of Siva agamas. TN Saiva religion is not limited only with Bhakthi. It includes Bhakthi, Tamil pann (music), Bharata natyam Dance, Service to God and Shiva Devotees, Yoga, elaborate Tantric poojas both in Temples (Parartha) as well as in home (athmartha) along with Mantra, mudra after attaining due Siva deeksha. All the four ways of attaining mukthi i.e Charya, Kriya, Yoga ang Jnana are very well explained, followed by devotees still. Debate scriptures such as Sivagnana Botham and Sivagnana siddhiyar and this list is very big. Sivagnana siddhiyar clearly explains the Pasupatha Saivam's principles and refutes how it has misunderstood Siva agama and how Saiva siddhantha clearly is based on Agamas. Only these Tamil literatures explain what is real meaning of Shivoham and Shivoyam brahmasmi.
TN is blessed with Adi Saiva Sivachariya lineage who are down to earth from God SadaSiva's five faces. So much to tell. The author has said very little. Saiva siddhantha is atop of all religions viz Pasupatha Saivam, Pancharatra vaishnavam.
I know That As A Kashmiri Pandit But I Think What he Was Saying is In Tamil it Focuses More On Bhakti While in Kashmiri Shaivism More On Yogic Or Tantra and Considered Shiva Ji as Absolute .Its Even Much More Complicated Both worship Shiva
yeah Pashupati and ALL Temples Also Existed Hear too .Even Pashupati Is The Oldest Form Of Shiva Worshiped In Nepal
Thennadu sivane potri
Isn't kundalini yoga part of tamil shaivism
@@ripsanskrit3609 nope its Part of Kashmir Shaivism under Tantra and Wtf is your name
Shivam Originated in Tamil and spreads to Sanskrit
Not true ,Even your name is in sanskrit
Yes But Tamil is oldest
@@Hariprasadmsk Nobody Knows Which Is Oldest .The Names Of mittani kingdom Is In sanskrit So Nope
All the languages of Bharat has come from the one single source...that is Shuva Shutram...
Read Panini's Vyakarana.
My few cents
Based on my limited knowledge of Tamil Shaivism i would say it covers almost all aspects of Bhakti, yoga, karma and Gyana in an elaborate manner and has dvaita and advaita aspects in different places
For example take kumbhabhishekam (temple consecration process) which is done for temples (built based on specific agama) every 12 years, it deals with the deities energy. Look at the yagasala structure and the yagya done. It contains mantras, tantra, yantra and other geometric structures related to the deity and its energy. The kalakarshana ritual deals with bringing life and energy to the idol with related mantras and nyasas
The sivachariyars who are involved has to do saiva anushtana , shiva Pooja, boothashuddhi etc daily and it covers yoga, pranayama, mantra, Bhakti and many of the tantras in Vigyana Bhairava tantra in a much more elaborate manner. These are part of aathmartha puja which has to done by sivachariyars before doing parartha Pooja (temple and other Pooja done outside). Basically to build the shivoham bhavana and be one with shiva before doing temple Pooja
The one thing I find very interesting in Kashmiri saivisam is spanda. Based on my understanding it is part Nataraja statue in his right arm holding a dhamaru which creates both vibration and sound symbolising creation. I am trying to see how this aspect is covered in any of the saiva agamas or saiva siddanta
All of Them can also be find In Kashmir Shaivism Its Just Which One Emphasises More On which part
Great Brother 💐 you took much effort to precisely say about both concepts of same destination शिवम् 🙏 But at 05:35 the Quote (சிவனே சிவனேயென்று... ) is different and your explanation is different. And at 10:36 your text as well as understanding is uncoordinated. I am sorry ! This is not to under estimate your effort. But to support you that you have ocean of literatures to jump in 🙏 சிவாய நம 🙏 शिवाय नम: 🙏 శివాయ నమః 🙏
Plz make a dedicated video about alvars,108 divya deshams,sri rangam,thirupavai and 4000 divya prabhandham.
Why did a large section of vaishnava migrate to melukote in karnataka?
At CERN the statue of Shiva Nataraja is installed (the dance is rhythmic vibration). Ananda Thandavam is the destruction and creation of ignorance and illusions. He is also the embodiment of cosmic energy. Shiva as the cosmic force is not exclusive to Kashmir. Further, Shankaracharya carried Shivite philosophy all over India including Kashmir
Dr. Vedam,
Thing to note is that like how agama shastras were adopted in the north and east; yantras were adopted and are a main place, especially in the Smarta traditions. Influences of tantra are also plenty; especially in places like Thiruvannamalai. Furthermore tantric vidya traditions developing for householders is certainly an influence of this confluence; and so is the work of the great Vidyaranya Swami which uses Tantric influences toward Vedantic pursuits (at least Advaita).
Today these traditions mostly do not stand by themselves; almost everything has become composite. So I'm not sure calling them distinct is fair.
But Thank you so much for this video. A very useful exercise in reclaiming our collective heritage!
Interesting and intelligent explanation 🙏 , I'm somewhat between the two (happily😌) ,
திருமூலர் is a great guide,
From திருவண்ணாமலை 🌹
18:20 Thank You So Much for mentioning our VeeraShaivam ❤
Bonus Fact - Kāśmira Śaivism also made an important contribution in Bharatanātyam, greatest Ācārya of this tradition "Abhinavgupta" wrote a great commentary on this text named "Abhinavabhārati", it's only available commentary on this text.
Thank you so much for the great and authentic knowledge
As always thanks for the video 😊😊🙏🙏
Looks like Kashmir Shaivism is bit old … as they used yoga, mantra, tantra,yantra,nature , meditation, … which is bit primitive than huge temples with music and dance along with other thinks…
Sadhguru makes the perfect blend of both shaivism in Tamil Nadu. TBH many finds kashmiri shaivism alien to the tamil culture.... That's one of the reason many dislike sadhguru in Tamil Nadu...
The name Kashmir shaivism is a little misleading, at its peak it was very popular in the south and a lot of masters of this tradition were from the south.
That's exactly what I thought too 🙏
We follow a mix of both. We are all Sanatanis.
10:32 thiruvempavai is not a single song .manikkavasagar composed 51 songs called thiruvasagam and 26 songs of thirukkovaiyaar . So thiruvempaavai belongs to thiruvasagam .
Thankyou for this video,really I was researching on this subject from very long time.
Excellent research work on both congratulations 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
One of the most awaited topics by you Sir. Thanks for sharing. Glad that you're finally diving into the scriptures of Thamizh especially SaivaSidhanta scriptures namely Thirumandiram. Hope you'll explore more on this sects. Om NamaSivaya🙏
It's not Om. It's Aum
Thanks for the video! Do you plan to make it in Telugu? I want my elders to be able to watch and understand it as well.
we expect more videos from you sir, all of your videos , ultimate . thank you very much.
Wonderful doc Ji. Gratitude 🙏 Om Namah Shivaya
Is there any source anyone can recommend to better understand Lord Muruga?
You content and it's quality is next level. This channel must get popular. If possible,then rework on it thumbnail ,title,video improvement to keep audience engaged by using images,pop,etc and tags. Bharat wing guys will like this and Congress-Leftist will meltdown on it
ଆପଣଙ୍କୁ ବହୁତ ବହୁତ ଧନ୍ଯବାଦ । ଆପଣଙ୍କ ଆଗାମୀ ଜୀବନ ପାଇଁ ଶୁଭ କାମନା। ପରେମଶ୍ବର ଆପଣଙ୍କୁ ଆଶୀର୍ବାଦ କରନ୍ତୁ। ଜୟ ଜଗନ୍ନାଥ
@projectshivoham 4:52 What about Abhinavagupta for Kashmir shaivism?
FAKE Abhinavagupta and his FAKE Pratyabhijnaare - all creations of East India company agents just like how they created tamil AGAMA, KAPALIKA , KAULA , KRAMA, SEX ORGY TANTRA, ANIMAL -HUMAN SACRIFICE etc
@@indianmilitarydo You even Know History?
𑀦𑀫𑀲𑀢𑁂
i have so much to learn
😊 Goes for all of us.
Great work sir for the common people to understand these subtle matters. ❤
Om namah Shivay!!
Lord shiva is considered son-in-law here in uttarakhand, we also have a temple, which is considered the place where Lord shiva and mata parvati.
Trijuginarayan temple.
BHARAT's civilisation is Saraswati sindhu civilisation.
Indus valley?
@@ripsanskrit3609 are you still living in leftist+ islamist+ commie brainwashed world.
@@ripsanskrit3609 Bharat's civilisation is atleast 17,000+ years old. it originated in Saraswati sindhu region...indus valley is just one phase of saraswati sindhu civilisation...use your brain..stop copying pasting what is written in leftist woke wikipedia, leftist google, commie NCERT, woke chat gpt.
@@ripsanskrit3609 jai SANSKRIT/ SANSKRUTAM...Sanskrutam will be alive forever.
Hindus valley. India Indica is corrupt form of Hind. Sindh is Himalaya + Saraswati river (ghaghar river nowadays) hence sindh area but Hind means Himalayas + Indu sagar (Indian ocean). Hind is better it includes Saraswati river, Himalayas and Indu sagar. that's why Bharatiya military also call Jai Hind.
The IVC God in yogic posture resembles AYYAN the male God of Dravidian mythology. AYYAN Koil is located in midst of the forest situated in Pavanasam in Thirunelveli district in Tamilnadu. The local legend story says that AYYAN has spell/control over all the wild animals dwelling in the forest.
It is not ayyan, it is ayyanar, and ayyanar is worshipped as local deity in many villages he is mentioned in sangam literature as well
He is the leader of first Tamil sangam, and he is our king. Temple = koil (கோயில்) | ko = king (அரசன்) + il = home (வீடு) - Siva worship is the ancestor worship of Tamils. Tamilians have no gods from the sky but those who have lived and died with us are our God, i.e. our ancestors are our God.✅
Your right 🫡
Pl. be careful while referring to dates of Kashmir Shaivam. We are in the process of recovering , rediscovering & redefining after a period of slavery of thousand years . Moreover Kashmir Shaivam is abstruse difficult even for a siddha . We have 36 - tatvas in Kashmir Shaivam no where to be seen . 🎉
Jai shaivam 🔱🕉❤🇮🇳
Well the Tamil shiavisam is also replete with the tantric and yogic practices of realising shiva, especially the Tamil siddha tradition is, thirumoolar's thirumandiram would be a perfect testimony, bhakti and karma were both intertwined in both these traditions.
So knowledgeable video
What a beautiful documentary!
Thanks for explaining this one Brother ❤
I always wondered why it used to be so simple in the North but too much grandeur in the South.
Now I got the Answer ❤
Hari Aum 🙏🏻💮
Adi Shankarachya beautifully blended both Bhakti from Tamil Shaivam and Knowledge from Kashmir Shivam together
Adi shakaracharya promotted samartha tradition of brahmam advaita philosophy not tamil saivam,sankaracharyas nothing to do with Tamil saivist tradition,They are not allowed to saivist sanctums if the appeared also the sanctum should be cleansed with milk and water.
@@sivaxsi I think you have to wash your sanctum of your mind and thoughts with knowledge and wisdom first , Secondly I think you being washing the sanctum since 1000 years
Please do make video on other Sampradaya and if possible please do make detailed video on concepts of Kashmir Shaivism.
Har Har Mahadev 🔱
Hi Anna , The main Sampradaya now maximum parts of Southern Part and Some Parts of northern parts of Bharat are following is Smarta Sampradaya started by Adi Shankaracharya .This Sampradaya covers each and every household irrespective of their caste and status 🙏
tamil saivist ,tamil vaishnavist wont follow adhisankaracharyas adhvaitham brahmam even we won't allow smarthasadhisankaracharyas in our sanctum.
@@sivaxsi who are you to allow 😂 All Shaivites and Vaishnavites should be grateful to Shankaracharya that he gave so many bhakti stotrams , commentaries and small books on complete understanding of shiva and Vishnu. He re-established Sanatana Dharma when india is on edge of losing its identity with Buddism and Jainism . You should be grateful for him for establishing 4 Peethas which are free from government and kings since 1000 years of invasions. You should be grateful for him for being a great Alvar and Nayanar who brought the unity in Sanatanis when we are fighting against each other like fools not knowing Shiva's tatva is Vishnu and Vishnu's tattva is Shiva . You should be grateful for him for establishing Sri Chakrams in most powerful kshetras allowing all of us to receive grace from Deity. You should grateful for him respecting and re establishing the Idols worship telling the importance to every part of India. Now a days getting the knowledge of Sadhana and Upasana to Rural parts of India is most important thing as they are leaving the religion most. He have done this way before 1000 years ago. Hara Hara Shankara Jaya Jaya Shankara 🔥✊
@@AllAbout_Advaitam I think you have seen what happen recently kanchi adhvaidists visited rameshwaram temple sanctum was purified because of their visit its saivist custom.tamil saivism won't accept advaitist smartha ideology.Whether you accept it or not.lot of events already happen in thirunelveli nellaiyappar temple also.its saivist custom .
@@sivaxsi Hi Can you provide an article on this ? . By the way is this mentioned in Shaiva Agamas ? And moreover the Advaita philosophy is vedic philosophy there is no wrong in Advaita . The Dvaita , Vishishtadvaita and Advaita all coming from Vedas . And these three schools have Vedas as their main Book. My Lord Dakshinamurthy signifies Advaita philosophy. If you are not accepting advaita then you are indirectly not accepting linga tattva and Dakshinamurthy tattva of Shiva
tamil saiva sidhantha nothing to do with Smartha sampradaya.
Kāshmīra shaivam or Kaulam emerged from tamilnadu in the banks of river Tāmraparnī. This is told in Shiva rahasya mahakavyam and abhinava gupta's tantraloka.
Please Dont lie According To You tamilians everything Originated From you
Tamil saivam only one part is covered here namely Bhakthi . The other part is all gnana related like Tirumoolar which is total Advaitham
This is what happens when you have a ridiculously miniaturized understanding of SHIVA and the integral TATVA! Brazen erratic and misleading info in this video:
(1) Shaivism of South India need not mean Shaivism of Tamilnadu alone. Stop extrapolating the Tamilnadu hegemony onto the rest of South India. The tradition of VEERASHAIVA is older than the Tamil culture and it originated in Karnataka. Even today, the Acharyas or Peetadhipatis who head the most importanat and oldest Shiva shrines of KEDAR PEETHA in the Himalayas, and KASHI PEETHA in Varanasi and in the Pashupatinatha temple in Nepal are VEERASHAIVAS from the North Karnataka region. This practice is in existence since millennia. There isn't a single example of a Tamil Shiva Acharya being chosen as the Chief Acharya of any of the most prominent Shiva Shrines in North India and abroad. Therefore, Shaivisim in the South has its roots in Karnataka and it's only in later periods that Tamilnadu inherited that Shaivsim from Karnataka. Apparently, you have very narrow understanding of the oldest scriptures written on Shaivism in Karnataka. Even the Shaivism in Kerala and Andhra region has its own roots. So, stop this nonsense of extending the Shaivism of Tamilnadu as that of entire South India's.
(2) Kashmir Shaivism is not all about only esoteric or tantric denominations and isn't lacking in Bhakti principle. Again, your myopic understanding of these intricate aspects leads to such callous conclusions. The very word 'Agama' has a deep connotation of Tantric traditions. Then, what's Tantric tradition? Put simply, Tantric tradition means anything and everything that assigns a definite form to the DEVA or DEVI and indulges in severe penance. All the statues, murtis, temples etc are a direct result of Tantric traditions. This word Tantric is by far the most wrongly interpreted word. Some idiots ascribe the regressive blackmagic or witchcraft practices to ancient Hindu Tantric traditions. The Kashmir (or the Northern side of India) had many Shiva temples. So, your assertion that Shaivism in Southern part is more of Bhakti oriented and that of North is esoteric in essence is as ridiculously hopeless as the situation of those each blind persons who go on to describe the elephant as the part of its whole body - none being aware of its complete structure and each thinking it to be what they touched on its body. That's the exact position of yours. Learn to get a more comprehensive view by reading diverse scriptures before making sweeping generalizations.
(3) Whether Kashmir or any Southern part of India, the Shiva worship has its roots in the Rig Veda itself. Particularly, out of the 10 mandalas, the oldest mandalas of 2 to 7 give foundational directions. All of the Agamic texts and other scriptures such as Puranas take those elements and make some modifications so as to make the cryptic Vedic verses become more easy to relate with ordinary lives of common people. That means, there's no such thing as Northern Shaivism or Deccan Shaivism. All Shaivism has originated from the Vedas of the Vedic epoch of IVC. Hence, it is SHAIVISM of BHARAT that would be the right way to put it. Minor ritualistic differences are just a case of diverse perception and not of distinct segregation into two or more groups as you have done in your video. SHIVA is the greatest unifier of our ancient land of Bharat. Try not to make glaikit videos that would potentially mislead the unsuspecting folks into thinking that there's a religious disconnect between the North and the South. Adi Shankara precisely fought this menace during his lifetime by indulging in Shastrarthas (philosophical duels) with those who thought there is BHEDA or discord in the way Shiva-Tatva is understood across our Nation of Bharat.
Lastly, refrain from making sweeping generalizations on issues where diverse perceptions of the same Tatva or Philosophy such as SHIVA-TATVA do exist and they need not warrant any compartmentalization into geographic divides by branding them as North Shaivism and South Shaivism. HE, SHIVA is ONE whether it's North or South or East or West.
Adhere to this SHIVA-TATVA - That's the essence of Bharat's religious identity.
Om Namaha Shivaya 🕉
Good, now please explain that in a simple and holistic way such that people can understand. We tried our best to breakdown in simplest way possible not reducing any sect of Shaivam.
Here comes the intolarent Kannadigas lol .
Looking at your comment shiva himself Will feel upset ..
The narrator just gave the difference between kashmiri Shaivisim and Tamil Shaivisim...no where he mentioned about other south Indian tradition or any hegemony or supermacy...
And looking at your comment 🤣 only one thing is evident low esteem....
How is veerashiva is older than Tamil culture????? Could you please explain...
The concept of veerashiva is evident only after 8th century A.D...
Tamil Shaivisim is from 5th century A.D ..and Tamil shaiva Siddantha is the most prominent shaiva tradition from south India that spread across globe. ..
Check iraivan temple in Kauai UAS. And south east Asian countries ...if you want to sum up veerashiva could have gentle add up instead showed your regional hatred .
Shame on you...
Our enlightened master goes to meet shiva in kailasha. Its not about older or content.😊
You realize that those time people in karnataka spoke tamil right.
@@ProjectShivoham In simple terms: What makes you call the practice of Shaivism in all southern states as Tamil Shaivism? Is Tamil a term that represents entire South India? Between 1.45 to 2.10 TL you say that explicitly that when you say Tamil Shaivism you mean the Southern region of geography and NOT Tamilnadu alone. Really? That's plain wrong. If you want to explain the Shaivism of Tamilnadu then do so but DO NOT equate entire South India to Tamilnadu. Practice of Shiva-Tatva can't be regionalized like that.
IN EVEN MORE SIMPLE TERMS: SHAIVISM IN SOUTHERN STATES HAS ITS OWN ESSENTIAL IDENTITY WITH EVERY SOUTHERN STATES. DO NOT EQUATE IT WITH ANY ONE PARTICULAR STATE.
{P.S: Some comments below think it's about 'Regional hatred' etc. I can only wish them speedy recovery. When logical thinking and rationality are in stark absence, such chauvinistic comments are all but natural.}
I'm so suprised how you are trying to divide the culture, while all other civilisations all over the globe are trying to say one truth in different way. It was too ignorant that you made a comment that Tamil shaivism is all about temples and statues which you said is not intellectual, why don't you try reading Thevaram and say? We are ignorant to separate bhakthi and knowledge when both are like two sides of a coin.The fact is the shape of nataraja was made according to the celestial star positions and it very well explains string theory well which is celebrated widely in south. Bharathanatyam itself is considered as cosmic dance, its more scientifical.I worked in this field too, it has enormous benefits to the body, the dance itself contains yoga in it. Since I researched in this field, Nataraja itself its the cosmic in existence. If we decode the ancient songs sung by Tamil poets its nothing but Maths and Science, its like hidden in plain sight. The rituals, festivals aren't celebrated with scientific purpose, we need to look more deep to understand that. Iconography exists in all temples, every element in temple has its own iconography, the detailed sculpture are a perfect example of iconography. There is no temple without Yantra, every temple composition is made of yantra you mentioned only Kashmir shaivisim has that shows you need to dig more deep in Temple architecture. These elaborate temple have much more to say not just beautiful to the sight but has more deeper meanings and one can only understand if he starts to go within. The first devotee of lord shiva in south is Nandhi the sacred bull, then comes nalvar. Again Mantra, tantra and yantra goes together, there is nothing without these three. "TOO BAD YOU SAID TERMED THE TAMIL SHAIVISM MERELY TO JUST AESTHETICS WHEN ITS MUCH MORE" you should dig more deeper into Tamil shaivisim, before terming it as a superficial thing. Let me tell you one thing, its both the same, when you look little more deeper, the intellectual part is always kept hidden in plain sight only those who try to know these, the truths will be known to him that's all Tamil shaivism is! I'm not against Kashmir Shaivisim either, being a Shiva devotee myself. Its just that in Kashmir Shaivism its kept raw and natural while in south its made for even the common people to benefit from the hidden form. Only who search for knowledge, it shall be given! I made these statements in a polite way. Dig a little more deeper, you will find glorious oceans of knowledge my friend. have a nice day!
We need a video on animal sacrifices and bali pratha....most demanded
Nice comparison. Thanks P.S. ! It sounds as if both Shaiva sampradaaya split the different types of Yoga (Gnana yoga, Raja Yoga, Karma yoga and Bhakthi Yoga) among themselves, with some overlap.
This is a very superficial and at times even wrong explanation of kashmiri shaivism. By saying kashmiri shaivism is only for intellectual an entire lineage of saints have been denied by the video also this rejects the bhava rasa theory of abhinava gupta which is logical explanation of how bhakti works. 2nd mistake kashmiri shaivism is not necessarily northern shaivism coz kashmiri shaivism never had much influence on northern plains which were and are mostly vaishnavites. Main influence kashmiri shaivism had is on tibetan buddhism. 3rd video explains spandan theory but fails to connect it to vedantic thought but connects it to string theory. String theory at most can be a sub branch or something that can be derived from kashmiri shaivism does not explain whole shaivism. 4th kashmiri shaivism is designed to bring tantra to everyday abhinava gupta in tantraloka says my methods are designed to make methods of tantra a part of everyday for people from varied backgrounds who in their daily life may follow social restriction but with my method can experience param shaiva. I don’t think tamil shaivism would also be only bhakti would love to hear explanation from learnt tamil shaiv brahmin.
Tamil saivam is deep and complete. It's not learned by brahmins, it's for anyone who wants eternal Bliss.
In saivam there's no caste, caste based on birth is diluted by karma and karma is burned by God. So caste, is insignificant.
Combining the fact that theres more IVC genes over south indian population, and centering it on Shiva aaradhana, one may clearly see the migrations that happened from IVC to south regions. Shiva is the one thing that destroys all this Aryan invasion-migration thing.
What is Hinduism?
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I have long pondered on what constitutes this so called religion that is sitting on the head of my Tamizh people and have come up with some conclusions ....
The priest from the Zoroastrian religion came to india with their Avestan language and fire rituals and later created some slogans in old Sanskrit to form the Vedas which was never written down.
These priest learnt the principles of the Samana tradition that originated in the southern part of the sub continent namely in the Tamizh tradition and started incorporating it into their already existent vaiteegam rituals and produced the Upanishads and became vegetarians.
For a solid philosophical footing which they needed in a highly philosophical Tamizh infused land about the 8th century Adi Sankara came up with Advaita logic that distorted the original Buddhist thoughts and produced a dichotomical nonsense which did not last the test of time.
Later they took up the Tantric Samana Tamizh tradition and put forth the bakti religiosity. This they took also from the Christian tradition and desperately created for the Islamic onslaught. Bakti was based on erotism and appealed to the masses. The high Samana tantric philosophical basis was ruined for the newly conjectured 'Hindu' religion of the wretched puranic tales.
This is the history of the Priestly class(Brahmins) that still retain their priesthood in the agamic temples that held sway through the bakti movement from the 10th century onwards. The consecutive non-Tamizh rulers firmly rooted the new found 'Hindu' religion with its caste system( the four varnas) that the British gave the final seal to....
Can you provide ‘1 gram of proof’ on what you are ranting here?
@@ProjectShivoham the same I'm asking you for your trafficked Hinduism from the Samana tradition...you can't even give one iota of sound reason of you new found stupidly twisted Hinduism...
@@ProjectShivoham better than your foolish rantings...
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எந்நாட்டவர்க்கும் இறைவா போற்றி!
அண்ணாமலை எம் அண்ணா போற்றி!
கண்ணாரமுதக் கடலே போற்றி.
The shiva temples of south India are really magnificient.
Kashmira saraswatham is at higher level
Amazing.. Thanks ProjShivoham 🙏
Interesting facts...never knew Agamas linked to Tamila Shivamogga 😊
Tamil saivism, kailash saivism, Kashmir saivism......., islam,....islam tibet savisam le irundi vandadu dan,..somnath mudal jyothirlingam dan makka vil irukaradu... prophet baba nabi baba avangal dan islam gurumargal....avangaloda thyagam dan iniki islam....