I have a PTR-91 there are things you can do to improve accuracy especially with that trigger. You can send the trigger pack out to Bill Springfield. It's 60 bucks, your trigger pack will have a pull of roughly 4.5 to 5 lbs. Which is average, heck of a lot better than the stock trigger. I'd also get an enhanced recoil buffer and a muzzle break. That will take out a good bit of the PTR-91's bite. PTR-91's like federal premium 168gr match. At least mine does. It will do 1 MOA with match ammo and the mods.
G3 Typ rifles are made to shoot 145-150 grain bullets. Heavy bullets will inrcrease the wear onthe gun. I have a MKE T41, a turkish made G3 Clone, these rifles love cheap steel case ammo. PPU and GGG have exelent m80 ball ammo, sub MOA is possible.
In the 80s the Sheriffs Office in Orange Co Fl used the sniper version with set trigger but eventually replaced with bolt sniper rifles. Outstanding review as always.
Thanks Sergeant Major. The Sniper version was the PSG1. By all accounts it was a good rifle. Then again, it should have been with a price tag approaching $10,000!
@@hrfunk Yes and it had night vision scope on it. I favor the M14 AND FAL IN A 7.62 full size battle rifle, but enjoyed this excellent review. My brother has a Cetme from which the 91 was derived and likes it a lot, his is reliable but also they as you said are heavy. Thanks for your efforts and excellent channel.
Anyone watching this from Canada right now is absolutely drooling, but then again I live in California and I can't have one either! Thank the good Lord you live where responsible people are allowed to be free.
Just got my PTR 91 the other day, your video is very informative. I did get a Match trigger package and I installed it and now I am down to a 5-51/2 lb pull. Very nice. As always Sir, I enjoy your videos. Semper Fi
I have an older PTR91 and find the stock trigger is like dragging a chained cinder block down a gravel road. What was your source for your match trigger package?
I have an original HK91 with the wire collapsible stock. I'll need to pull it out and see how it compares, especially that trigger. It is heavy and awkward feeling compared to an AR style. And it throws brass into the next county when shooting
I just bough a PTR 91. As new in the box, never fired. It is one of the older Classic models, without the pic rail. I shot it a couple of days ago, and it is a tack driver. It was perfectly sighted for 100 meters out of the box. Now I've begun the quest for a wide hand guard. Those things have gotten hard to find.
Thank you,I have one of these,i had to polish up the trigger,installed the metal lower, a mussel brake and a German army scope...i got a 4 lbs trigger pull, with some good ammo hornady steel cased match .I got it to shoot about inch groups.. A
Good job Mark. I suspect with some fine tuning these rifles are capable of so good accuracy. I was trying to make the point near the end of the video. Thanks for watching!
I have a PTR-91 GI in black. One of the most important things I wish you had mentioned is the fluted chamber, which helps make this rifle absolutely reliable. I like the slim handguard that the rifle came with as it feels like I can really grip the rifle, I never liked "fat" feeling rifles. The rifle is very rough on the brass (makes it challenging to reload) and ejects it out more than twenty feet or more. I reload ammo for all my rifles (M1 Garand, M1A Springfield, M1917 Winchester). I do not use scopes, I only sight in at 200 yards (I know my limits) using silhouette targets only. Great review overall. Semper Fi (68 to 72/MOS 0351).
Howard, my hunting and fishing buddy has owned an HK-91 since the early 80s. He decided to shoot the NRA high power course with it one Saturday morning, right after he bought it and sighted it in. He shot a terrible score, I can't remember what it was, exactly. He is normally an excellent high power match shooter but due to the trigger and the short LOP (he is tall, with long arms and neck, like me), he was all over the target (and beyond!) that morning. Also, shooters that were 6-8 stations to his right were complaining of hot brass hitting them. The next morning, he had a bruise over his right cheek bone from the rear stock banging his face. After that fiasco, he went back to his M-1 rifle for the NRA course! Semper Fi, TreeTop
I've got a PTR-91 too. I love it. Mine has the forest green furniture the Swedish G3s had, no rail, and the German S, E, F selector for sicher, einz, feuer. I absolutely adore that since it isn't gas operated it's safe to feed it both .308 and 7.62 NATO. Makes finding ammo at the range easy
I had an H&K 91 & 93 they some of the best rifles I ever owned. These PTR clones are made here in South Carolina and are hard to get. My buddy has one and I like it .you need to carry a leatherman style tool it has several screwdrivers to tighten up that scope.
I know, I know! I usually have one of my trusty Swiss Army knives with me for such emergencies, but on the day I was recording this video, I headed out the door without one. Of course, this was just the time I needed one! I think the PTR rifles are good quality firearms, I just couldn't warm up to the HK91 design. I'm sure they work just fine for a lot of people, I'm just not one of them. Thanks for watching!
@@hrfunk Yea like me going to do a video at the range and the battery dies because I did not recharge it. I keep one of those Leatherman style tools in the glove box of each of my automobiles they come in handy as well the LED tactical flash light. And a spare set of reading glasses ! lol lol
Howard: Have your friend pull the trigger pack and send it to Bill Springfield in Colorado Springs. He worked mine and it has a clean 5 pound trigger. I've shot it in one of our club's service rifle matches. The slow fire was a pain!
I love these Cold War era battle rifles. The HK G3, the FAL, the M14. Big firepower and great looks. I might be a bit of a hipster but I prefer the pictograms on HK’s. Thanks for the review, you’re always informative. Decided on an M9 after your comparison to the cz75
A lot of people consider the G3 to be the "AK47" of battle rifles. I tend to agree given that even though they are heavy and not ergonomically the fastest they can put up with a lot of abuse and keep shooting. I find the lack of a gas system to be a nice quirk of the delayed blowback design, even though the chamber and bolt can get pretty dirty from carbon, the fact I literally never need to clean a piston or gas port help offset that for me. The gun will also eat just about any ammo you throw into it, steel tula or hornady match ammo, it doesn't care. Being 6'2 I also don't have a problem with the charging handle, so mileage varies depending on an individuals build. Though I will say in my experience pulling the handing back underhanded and with my palm has always been faster and smoother than trying to grab it overhand like a traditional charging handle, and the charging handle itself can be pretty stiff if buying new before its worn in. I have the same exact model of PTR(actually used to have a wide handguard and bipod on it as well). It's ran very well and over the years of having it and I've actually put a lot of money into upgrading it over that time. An inline spuhr stock, aftermarket enhanced recoil buffer, mlok handguard, and a Bill Springfield trigger group. And topped off with a 1-6x Primary Arms optic. I've had a bipod on it, but generally prefer it without one. While that is certainly not cheap it has turned my PTR into one of the nicest .308 rifles I've ever shot. And as far as non-AR .308 rifles go I still think a base PTR really offers competitive bang for your buck. All in all, if you are willing to understand the quirks of the rifle I recommend it as an decently affordable AR-10 alternative.
I'm 5'9" and I have no problems with the charging handle. But the absurdly long stock poses a problem for me, but this can be shortened with an aftermarket stock. The mag release cannot unfortunately, but luckily the paddle mag release exists for those of us whose fingers are not long enough to actuate it.
As a long time, 30 years owner of a H&K 91 I totally agree with your assessment of the rifle. Its heavy especially for the relatively short barrel length, the controls are inconvenient/unusual, I also find the butt stock to be somewhat short although I do have an extension that helps. My rifle does not have a built in rail but I do have an ARMS scope mount that is similar to the factory H&K claw type mount i.e. somewhat clunky and heavy. I believe the PTR has a fluted chamber like the H&K? Despite this I still am able to reload the brass if I find it! Of my three 1950s era .308 battle rifles I would put the H&K in third place behind the FN-FAL and the M1A/M14. On the plus side it shoots everything and I believe one of its selling points back in the day was it reliability in a all environments. FWIW the original H&K sling for the rifle is really strange. Keep up the good work
Mr Funk Cant wait to see this video I have a PTR91 same gun you have except I have the OD green stock set an awesome gun I have just put on a HK collapsible stock on mine I also had it professionally converted to 4x positions.
MrFunk again awesome video with quality information I agree the HK91 or G3 or PTR91 is a very heavy beast for sure and its time has passed to other lighter platforms but I just plain like it! If you want to fix the trigger issue send it to Bill Springfield you will go from 11lbs to 4lbs trigger pull no creep,spongy, long pull of a trigger instead 4lbs crisp trigger pull! Also he has made enhanced buffers cuts recoil about 40% very nice on my collapsible stock . I would add get the extended charging handle you get more purchase on the handle it makes cocking easy you can get that at HKparts. Oh yeah get the extended safety alot easier to manipulate thats for sure.
@@todd2048 Thanks Todd! I would consider all of those mods if the rifle was mine, but at this point I've already returned it to its owner. I'm glad you posted the info, though, so if anyone else has one of these rifles they know who to contact.
A very good honest straight forward review. I thought in the past I wouldn't mind owning one of these (being an HK style), but I think I will stick with wanting another M-14 or M1A that I trained with and have shot extensively. Keep up the great honest reviews!!!!!!!!
Legend has it that the G-3/HK-91 was designed to be able to be thrown out of an aircraft from an altitude of about 100 feet or so sans parachute and still be functional after it hit the ground. When I was living in Florida in the mid-1990's I met an interesting character who had worked as a mercenary in the Belgian Congo during the 1970's. His unit used HK-91s. He claimed that it was the most reliable of all the battle rifles chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO that were available then. Supposedly the accuracy standards that the rifle + standard military ball ammo was designed to deliver was 2.5 MOA. If you use the original G-3/HK-91 collapsible stock be advised that it only locks in two positions. All the way closed and all the way open. Unlike some of the more modern adjustable stocks that could be acquired it will not lock in an intermediate position. Also, if you are in the habit of trying to get a good cheek weld on the receiver of the rifle when you shoot it you will not enjoy the experience. The bolt carrier comes crashing back into the rear of the receiver like a miniature jack hammer as the action cycles. If your face is in contact with the rear of the receiver when that happens you will feel the impact. However, if you choose to use another method to index your head in relation to the sights that problem goes away, and felt recoil almost disappears entirely. As another commentator noted, the HK-91 is hard on brass. Not only does it throw the brass out over a wide area, the chamber fluting will also result in the brass getting scored in a manner that is characteristic to that rifle. So if you're worried about trying to maintain some sort of operational anonymity you may want to use a brass catcher.
Closing in on 20k. Nice! If you’re accepting user loans, we need to get my HK P30 out for a state qualification video. In about 2 months my crews will be working up your way.
These rifles are interesting. My friend has a similar rifle, the C308. PTR also makes the receivers for those as well. The PTR rifles are better quality in fit and finish etc. She claims to get about 3 MOA with the C308 version, I can't shoot it that well. I think the PTR trigger is better then the one on the Century rifle.
Design features: Its so heavy its good for Physical conditioning the troops, the bolt carrier can be used to club salmon or politicians, you can jam it in the tracks of an APC or tank to disable them and getting the bolt-head back on the carrier is like one of those puzzles--hours of entertainment :-) Wonderful pedigree but an AR-10 is a couple pounds lighter and has last-round hold-open.
The primary arms acss 5x optic works very well with this platform one can actually squeeze decent accuracy out of it despite it being classified as a battle rifle. I would not be surprised if theyve taken on dmr roles in their service history they make shots on a small 200yd plate feel easy. The main thing I dislike is the reload process and I believe one could instead of firing till empty simply fire 19 and load a fresh mag negating the need to recycle the cocking handle.
Great review and it is sad that a rifle with a match barrel has such a crappy trigger. As for no bolt hold open I learned years ago to load 2 tracer rounds in the mag first then 1 at the half way point so when you see one go down range you know you are 1/2 through and when you see the next 2 go you better be ready to reload.
"just don't expect to re-use the brass"... that is, if you can even find it! My buddy has an HK-91 and, boy does it launch the brass! I have reloaded some of the HK-91 brass, so it is "doable" but man is it UGLY. Semper Fi, TreeTop
@@hrfunk I'm always here, supporting your channel, Howard, but don't always comment. Today's episode brought back some memories for me, though! Thanks, TreeTop
An interesting rifle but not really my cup of tea. I do enjoy seeing rifles like this that are chambered in 7.62 NATO though. Always good to see something else made in the US. Thanks for the video!
Good to see a South Carolina gun... wish it left you with a better impression though. Slap a better trigger on it and I'm guessing it would help a lot with your review?
Great video. I just purchased a PTR-91 A3S and I think the trigger will be the first thing I upgrade. By the way, what kind of shooting bench are you using?
Anyone ever told you that you look a little like Frank Sutton? That's a compliment btw....I always loved Frank and his character on Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C. You could be Franks son or nephew maybe. Nice review and loved your daughter's music intro!
I won First Place Internationally in North Germany shooting the G3. Always loved it. Always wanted to own an HK91 but they are so expensive. I hear the PTR is the next best thing.. Also..The HK is 1:12 vs the PTR 1:10 twist... or?
I was looking forward to this video with great interest. I have a Century Arms C308 currently in layaway. It's another G3/91 clone, and I believe PTR makes some of the parts. Well, a CETME hybrid clone, which is itself a G3 clone I believe. From what I read, I will encounter many of the issues that you did. I'm planning to mount a much similar optic as you, a Millet 1-4 DMS. My research also indicates some aftermarket trigger groups that should address some of the accuracy issues. It's not the rifle I would've preferred, but the asking price fit my budget where none of the others did.
@@hrfunk I will let you know how the rifle works. I opted for the wood furniture, so it's got that classic look. I'm even considering a bayonet. Just because. The Millit was originally for my AR, but the "cheapy" red dot currently on it is working out so well I'm loath to switch.
Just ran across your video, Pretty good, The HK21 Rubber recoil pad will swap out directly. I have a couple of PTRs, Good rifles. I am sure you have heard of the US Army rifle team, Cause even Marines need Heroes. lol, Just kiddin. Take care.
Call Bill Springfield and he will for a reasonable price cut that trigger pull in half. He has done at least 4 to 5 triggers for me and they are excellent. You will also get it back in a very short time. Great guy to talk to.
Love your Channel Sir! Great gun! If you get a chance can you try and review the CZ Bren 2? I have the 16" version in 5.56 and can't wait to pick up the 308 version.
A trigger job is highly recommended for the HK91 / PTR91. It really helps. For ammo I've found mine is a bit picky. It really likes Federal 149 grain. Shoots 1.5" groups at 100 yards consistantly. Good 1950s battle rifle fun!
It would be a bit more user-friendly and lighter if you would use the original thin grips. The bipod grips are only to make the rifle for a dubious roll as a light machine gun. Typically, in German service, it wasn't used at all for that purpose, because they had plenty of machine guns. More impoverished nations typically use the bipod grips for their lack of machine guns. I bought the wide grip and bipod just for fun for mine. I only use irons, so I don't have a rail. My trigger is smooth, and relatively light, even if a bit mushy. The recoil feels very docile, too. If you want to keep your rifle from kicking like a mule, don't allow any oil, or other lubricant to leak into the buffer assembly. This is how and why this rifle gets a bad reputation for excessive recoil. Even the vast majority of empties are reusable. I love the sights, they come very intuitively for me, even though I have much more formal training and experience with the M16a2.I must have been lucky with mine.
I was going to go for an FN FAL by DSA but on Reddit it's just countless of quality control problems. Probably I'm going to go for the PTR. Did you ever get your fal? How has it worked out for you?
@@R_K_S2401 To be honest I after more thought and study did NOT go with the FAL. DSA just has to many QC problems and a wait list that's weeks or months long. I went with an AR10 platform instead!
My favorite battle rifle and primary choice. One thing to note is that the H&K delayed rollers are the most standardized and interchangable of rifle designs, because of H&K's extremely rigid manufacturing license requirements that all specs remain as is. This means a PTR91 owner can use any HK91 parts, or even if you were in the middle of nowhere in a country that uses the G3, almost every part ever made in storage can be used. This puts it ahead of FN FAL and Ar10 in terms of surplus and new parts, fixing problems, ect. It also means that the difference between a well made PTR91 and a HK91 are almost nil. That PTR factory in your neck of the woods uses old H&K machinery from Portugal. It may not be a German rifle per se, but it is made on authentico machinery! The rifle's trigger is an issue, I suppose you forget about it when you run it enough. I've gotten used to the "wall" and it probably hurts my shooting with other rifles. Many will complain that the rifle kicks worse than other battle rifles, but with a steel lower to help stiffen out any play and a heavy recoil buffer the gun can be tamed. I can get 2 MOA or better out of mine with my 4x ACOG. Sometimes the horizontal drift I get in groups is fault of the ACOG, and sometimes that hard trigger. For someone used to shooting nice triggers, the G3 can be a big kick in the pants. It takes some marrying into to get good with it, but if you ever do get used to it its a great rifle.
Thanks for the comment. I’m sure you are correct. If I spent a lot of time working with this rifle and learned it’s characteristics, I would undoubtedly do better with it than I did in the video. My problem is that I’m so accustomed to the various US battle rifles that the G3 design just feels awkward to me. Still, I’m glad it works for you. Take care and thanks for watching!
10.5 lbs! Half the weight of an M60. Between the weight of a battle rifle and the weight of the ammo it carries, I can see why the M16 variants is the path the US military opted for.
I always wanted an HK91 when I was younger. This clone looks interesting. Was that the trigger reset I was hearing during the bench shooting? Dang, that's rough! Definitely need a trigger job if I were to get one. But then, I DO have the AR, so I have to ask myself why?
How difficult is the PTR for you to charge? I have this same rifle and its very difficult for me to get the charging handle open and pull back...no rounds in it so far. Cocking tube/bolt gap problem?
The one I used in the video hand-cycled smoothly. I had no difficulty in retracting the bolt. I would guess yours will get a little easier after you fire it some.
@@hrfunk I hope so! I was just concerned there were bolt/coking gap issues since I have read there have been some with certain rifles. Mostly Century clones but I am sure PTR isn't immune
Can you kill a deer with no more than 3 shots with that rifle? If not, Mini Mike Bloomberg says that deer deserves to live and you should not have the right to own that rifle.
Technically it's chambered for the 7.62mm NATO cartridge, but it will also fire .308 ammo as long as it essentially matches the pressure of the NATO load.
@@hrfunk Okay good to know, I just bought one and the manual is kind of unclear. I was under the impression that the 308 pressure load (while essentially the same) is slightly higher and could cause some wear and tear on 7.62 chambered weapons.
I wouldn’t use anything that was drastically more powerful (i I.e. higher pressure) than the standard 7.62 mm loading. So long as you stay in that general area, you shouldn’t have any problems.
Wow! That beast is Heavier than an unloaded M1 Garand....and has No Wood on it! 😳 BUT, it's a Nice looking rifle, in an effective caliber. One could definitely do Worse! 👍🏻
Very typical of the H&K 91/93 rifles... and even, though to a lesser degree, the ubiquitous MP5. The handling characteristics are poor, the ergonomics worse, and the triggers just plain SUCK. The only 91 that I ever fired that HAD a decent trigger was a DMR version, and even that was no hell. I understand they do make a very nice, very accurate sniper version, but I have never had the opportunity to try one. In terms of the battle rifles of the era, I've always thought the H&K was tail-end charlie. It was FAR inferior to the FN FAL, and also the M-14. It MAY (dubiously) have been more versatile... but I don't see that. What I can't figure out is why anyone is still making, or BUYING, these dinosaurs.
What did the brass look like after firing? If memory serves the 91 had a fluted chamber to aid in extraction, but I've heard that it damages the brass making it difficult of maybe even unsuitable for reloading. Never had a 91, so I'm just asking out of curiosity.
HR its not a bad looking rifle I have never owned one and I have heard the gun is hard on brass , so reloading would be almost a waste of time there was a time I owned a Century Arms FAL it was a fair comparison to the PTR the FAL was soon traded for a SA SOCOM M1A , it will stay in my armory
@@foxsquirrel3038 I own a 91, no problems with it. Unless you are 7ft tall with huge hands the ergos are shit. Works on an MP-5 where everything is nice tight and close. Does not work on A battle rifle. Fals ergos are much better. The M1A is a different animal that still has better ergos. The SCAR H is a $3000+ rifle that will break any optic you put on it sooner than you expect. Your attempt at snark and wit just makes you look like an idiot.
I have a PTR-91 there are things you can do to improve accuracy especially with that trigger. You can send the trigger pack out to Bill Springfield. It's 60 bucks, your trigger pack will have a pull of roughly 4.5 to 5 lbs. Which is average, heck of a lot better than the stock trigger. I'd also get an enhanced recoil buffer and a muzzle break. That will take out a good bit of the PTR-91's bite. PTR-91's like federal premium 168gr match. At least mine does. It will do 1 MOA with match ammo and the mods.
G3 Typ rifles are made to shoot 145-150 grain bullets.
Heavy bullets will inrcrease the wear onthe gun.
I have a MKE T41, a turkish made G3 Clone, these rifles love cheap steel case ammo.
PPU and GGG have exelent m80 ball ammo, sub MOA is possible.
The locking piece can also be swapped out for one of a difference angle to further reduce recoil from what I've read
@@lioncelica5170what piece?
@@jd646 It is quite literally called, a 'locking piece'
@@lioncelica5170what is it?
Great video. Coincidentally that rifle is stimulus check price hmmm
Yup, and it stimulates your trigger finger as well! lol
Oh great Sir.
Another I need to add to my collection. Would be especially useful in my current employment.
Glad it was helpful Gunny. Take care.
In the 80s the Sheriffs Office in Orange Co Fl used the sniper version with set trigger but eventually replaced with bolt sniper rifles. Outstanding review as always.
Thanks Sergeant Major. The Sniper version was the PSG1. By all accounts it was a good rifle. Then again, it should have been with a price tag approaching $10,000!
@@hrfunk Yes and it had night vision scope on it. I favor the M14 AND FAL IN A 7.62 full size battle rifle, but enjoyed this excellent review. My brother has a Cetme from which the 91 was derived and likes it a lot, his is reliable but also they as you said are heavy. Thanks for your efforts and excellent channel.
Thank you! I prefer the M14 too. I’ve never shot an FAL but I think that is going to change soon.
Those HK guns look really great, my personal favourite is the HK53. That was a nice scope, Steiner make some great gear.
Anyone watching this from Canada right now is absolutely drooling, but then again I live in California and I can't have one either! Thank the good Lord you live where responsible people are allowed to be free.
I do, Sir. Believe me I do!
They make the PTR 406 which is a CA legal PTR-91 A3S.
Just got my PTR 91 the other day, your video is very informative. I did get a Match trigger package and I installed it and now I am down to a 5-51/2 lb pull. Very nice. As always Sir, I enjoy your videos. Semper Fi
I have an older PTR91 and find the stock trigger is like dragging a chained cinder block down a gravel road. What was your source for your match trigger package?
Glad you liked it! Semper Fi!
Where did you get a matched trigger
H&K Parts Site.@@jd646
I have an original HK91 with the wire collapsible stock. I'll need to pull it out and see how it compares, especially that trigger. It is heavy and awkward feeling compared to an AR style. And it throws brass into the next county when shooting
because its a battle rifle. stop comparing apples to monkeys
I just bough a PTR 91. As new in the box, never fired. It is one of the older Classic models, without the pic rail. I shot it a couple of days ago, and it is a tack driver. It was perfectly sighted for 100 meters out of the box. Now I've begun the quest for a wide hand guard. Those things have gotten hard to find.
Good for you! I'm glad you like your new rifle.
Keep on eye on this site, they have everything HK: www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/HK33-HK93-G3K-WIDE-HANDGUARD-SURPLUS-GOOD-106p4723.htm
RTGparts have the wide stocks
RTG parts, APEX, or HK parts will have the handguards, but finding the bipod is next to impossible
Thank you,I have one of these,i had to polish up the trigger,installed the metal lower, a mussel brake and a German army scope...i got a 4 lbs trigger pull, with some good ammo hornady steel cased match .I got it to shoot about inch groups..
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Good job Mark. I suspect with some fine tuning these rifles are capable of so good accuracy. I was trying to make the point near the end of the video. Thanks for watching!
I got my PTR before they had the paddle mag release.
Great review. Always wanted one and they come in many configurations.
I have a PTR-91 GI in black. One of the most important things I wish you had mentioned is the fluted chamber, which helps make this rifle absolutely reliable. I like the slim handguard that the rifle came with as it feels like I can really grip the rifle, I never liked "fat" feeling rifles. The rifle is very rough on the brass (makes it challenging to reload) and ejects it out more than twenty feet or more. I reload ammo for all my rifles (M1 Garand, M1A Springfield, M1917 Winchester). I do not use scopes, I only sight in at 200 yards (I know my limits) using silhouette targets only. Great review overall. Semper Fi (68 to 72/MOS 0351).
Semper Fi! Thanks for watching.
Howard, my hunting and fishing buddy has owned an HK-91 since the early 80s. He decided to shoot the NRA high power course with it one Saturday morning, right after he bought it and sighted it in.
He shot a terrible score, I can't remember what it was, exactly. He is normally an excellent high power match shooter but due to the trigger and the short LOP (he is tall, with long arms and neck, like me), he was all over the target (and beyond!) that morning. Also, shooters that were 6-8 stations to his right were complaining of hot brass hitting them.
The next morning, he had a bruise over his right cheek bone from the rear stock banging his face. After that fiasco, he went back to his M-1 rifle for the NRA course! Semper Fi, TreeTop
Yeah, I don't think I would ever run one of these rifles in a match. Between the sights and the trigger, I would be lucky to hit the berm!
you have to know how to shoot first :) plenty of more skilled shooters disagree with your penis assessment
I've got a PTR-91 too. I love it. Mine has the forest green furniture the Swedish G3s had, no rail, and the German S, E, F selector for sicher, einz, feuer.
I absolutely adore that since it isn't gas operated it's safe to feed it both .308 and 7.62 NATO. Makes finding ammo at the range easy
I had an H&K 91 & 93 they some of the best rifles I ever owned. These PTR clones are made here in South Carolina and are hard to get. My buddy has one and I like it .you need to carry a leatherman style tool it has several screwdrivers to tighten up that scope.
I know, I know! I usually have one of my trusty Swiss Army knives with me for such emergencies, but on the day I was recording this video, I headed out the door without one. Of course, this was just the time I needed one! I think the PTR rifles are good quality firearms, I just couldn't warm up to the HK91 design. I'm sure they work just fine for a lot of people, I'm just not one of them. Thanks for watching!
@@hrfunk Yea like me going to do a video at the range and the battery dies because I did not recharge it. I keep one of those Leatherman style tools in the glove box of each of my automobiles they come in handy as well the LED tactical flash light. And a spare set of reading glasses ! lol lol
Howard: Have your friend pull the trigger pack and send it to Bill Springfield in Colorado Springs. He worked mine and it has a clean 5 pound trigger. I've shot it in one of our club's service rifle matches. The slow fire was a pain!
Thanks! I'll let him know (although, he might read it right here in the comments).
I love these Cold War era battle rifles. The HK G3, the FAL, the M14. Big firepower and great looks. I might be a bit of a hipster but I prefer the pictograms on HK’s. Thanks for the review, you’re always informative. Decided on an M9 after your comparison to the cz75
Thanks, I'm glad you like my videos!
A lot of people consider the G3 to be the "AK47" of battle rifles. I tend to agree given that even though they are heavy and not ergonomically the fastest they can put up with a lot of abuse and keep shooting. I find the lack of a gas system to be a nice quirk of the delayed blowback design, even though the chamber and bolt can get pretty dirty from carbon, the fact I literally never need to clean a piston or gas port help offset that for me. The gun will also eat just about any ammo you throw into it, steel tula or hornady match ammo, it doesn't care. Being 6'2 I also don't have a problem with the charging handle, so mileage varies depending on an individuals build. Though I will say in my experience pulling the handing back underhanded and with my palm has always been faster and smoother than trying to grab it overhand like a traditional charging handle, and the charging handle itself can be pretty stiff if buying new before its worn in.
I have the same exact model of PTR(actually used to have a wide handguard and bipod on it as well). It's ran very well and over the years of having it and I've actually put a lot of money into upgrading it over that time. An inline spuhr stock, aftermarket enhanced recoil buffer, mlok handguard, and a Bill Springfield trigger group. And topped off with a 1-6x Primary Arms optic. I've had a bipod on it, but generally prefer it without one.
While that is certainly not cheap it has turned my PTR into one of the nicest .308 rifles I've ever shot. And as far as non-AR .308 rifles go I still think a base PTR really offers competitive bang for your buck.
All in all, if you are willing to understand the quirks of the rifle I recommend it as an decently affordable AR-10 alternative.
I'm 5'9" and I have no problems with the charging handle. But the absurdly long stock poses a problem for me, but this can be shortened with an aftermarket stock. The mag release cannot unfortunately, but luckily the paddle mag release exists for those of us whose fingers are not long enough to actuate it.
I have a PTR91 also, no optics yet. I think a red dot or a fixed maybe 2X prism would be great set up. Maybe the new Primary Arms GLX 2X.
Shoots pretty awesome with iron sights in my opinion, i will get an optic in the future too
Good call on not shooting for accuracy. That rifle was never intended for shooting tiny little groups from any distance. Semper Fi.
perhaps...but, no one wants a 7.62x51 rifle if it is lucky to hold a 3" group at 100 yards....(for that, we have the Mini14 in 5.56!)
As a long time, 30 years owner of a H&K 91 I totally agree with your assessment of the rifle. Its heavy especially for the relatively short barrel length, the controls are inconvenient/unusual, I also find the butt stock to be somewhat short although I do have an extension that helps. My rifle does not have a built in rail but I do have an ARMS scope mount that is similar to the factory H&K claw type mount i.e. somewhat clunky and heavy. I believe the PTR has a fluted chamber like the H&K? Despite this I still am able to reload the brass if I find it! Of my three 1950s era .308 battle rifles I would put the H&K in third place behind the FN-FAL and the M1A/M14. On the plus side it shoots everything and I believe one of its selling points back in the day was it reliability in a all environments. FWIW the original H&K sling for the rifle is really strange.
Keep up the good work
Will do, Sir! You are correct, the PTR also has a fluted chamber. I meant to mention that in the video and it slipped my mind.
Oooh yeah! One of my favorites!
It's going live soon!
I have hk91s and ptr91s
I really enjoy them.
Mine are 2moa out to 600yds with Malaysian cheap ammo. 4x scope. These rifles are very very dependable.
I got the sense they were very dependable. I'm also not surprised to hear they are capable of better accuracy than I saw. Thanks for watching!
Mr Funk Cant wait to see this video I have a PTR91 same gun you have except I have the OD green stock set an awesome gun I have just put on a HK collapsible stock on mine I also had it professionally converted to 4x positions.
Thanks Todd! Join us for the premier live-chat if you’re able. It kicks off at 8:00 am (EDT) Saturday morning.
Sorry sir I will be getting out of work so pillow Ops for me I will catch it when I get up!
MrFunk again awesome video with quality information I agree the HK91 or G3 or PTR91 is a very heavy beast for sure and its time has passed to other lighter platforms but I just plain like it! If you want to fix the trigger issue send it to Bill Springfield you will go from 11lbs to 4lbs trigger pull no creep,spongy, long pull of a trigger instead 4lbs crisp trigger pull! Also he has made enhanced buffers cuts recoil about 40% very nice on my collapsible stock . I would add get the extended charging handle you get more purchase on the handle it makes cocking easy you can get that at HKparts. Oh yeah get the extended safety alot easier to manipulate thats for sure.
@@todd2048 Thanks Todd! I would consider all of those mods if the rifle was mine, but at this point I've already returned it to its owner. I'm glad you posted the info, though, so if anyone else has one of these rifles they know who to contact.
The OD green stock set is great. Good look.
A very good honest straight forward review. I thought in the past I wouldn't mind owning one of these (being an HK style), but I think I will stick with wanting another M-14 or M1A that I trained with and have shot extensively. Keep up the great honest reviews!!!!!!!!
Will do. Thanks for watching!
Add the roller delayed rifle to your collection..you wont regret
Legend has it that the G-3/HK-91 was designed to be able to be thrown out of an aircraft from an altitude of about 100 feet or so sans parachute and still be functional after it hit the ground. When I was living in Florida in the mid-1990's I met an interesting character who had worked as a mercenary in the Belgian Congo during the 1970's. His unit used HK-91s. He claimed that it was the most reliable of all the battle rifles chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO that were available then. Supposedly the accuracy standards that the rifle + standard military ball ammo was designed to deliver was 2.5 MOA.
If you use the original G-3/HK-91 collapsible stock be advised that it only locks in two positions. All the way closed and all the way open. Unlike some of the more modern adjustable stocks that could be acquired it will not lock in an intermediate position. Also, if you are in the habit of trying to get a good cheek weld on the receiver of the rifle when you shoot it you will not enjoy the experience. The bolt carrier comes crashing back into the rear of the receiver like a miniature jack hammer as the action cycles. If your face is in contact with the rear of the receiver when that happens you will feel the impact. However, if you choose to use another method to index your head in relation to the sights that problem goes away, and felt recoil almost disappears entirely.
As another commentator noted, the HK-91 is hard on brass. Not only does it throw the brass out over a wide area, the chamber fluting will also result in the brass getting scored in a manner that is characteristic to that rifle. So if you're worried about trying to maintain some sort of operational anonymity you may want to use a brass catcher.
Closing in on 20k. Nice! If you’re accepting user loans, we need to get my HK P30 out for a state qualification video. In about 2 months my crews will be working up your way.
Get ahold of me when you’re in the area!
Great, no nonsense content. Just picked one up and I'm more than a little excited to shoot it haha. Really cool rifles.
Good! I hope you really like it, and I hope it serves you well for a long time. Thanks for watching!
These rifles are interesting. My friend has a similar rifle, the C308. PTR also makes the receivers for those as well.
The PTR rifles are better quality in fit and finish etc. She claims to get about 3 MOA with the C308 version, I can't shoot it that well. I think the PTR trigger is better then the one on the Century rifle.
They are interesting, and they have a rich history. They're just not for me. Thanks for watching!
c308s are cetme/g3 bastards. century ground down parts to make them work, thats why they have such a shoddy rep
Design features: Its so heavy its good for Physical conditioning the troops, the bolt carrier can be used to club salmon or politicians, you can jam it in the tracks of an APC or tank to disable them and getting the bolt-head back on the carrier is like one of those puzzles--hours of entertainment :-) Wonderful pedigree but an AR-10 is a couple pounds lighter and has last-round hold-open.
Thank you for the review.
Triggers are one of my greatest gripes. They make a world of difference in accuracy.
Nice shooting with the loose scope :-)
Thank you!
The primary arms acss 5x optic works very well with this platform one can actually squeeze decent accuracy out of it despite it being classified as a battle rifle. I would not be surprised if theyve taken on dmr roles in their service history they make shots on a small 200yd plate feel easy. The main thing I dislike is the reload process and I believe one could instead of firing till empty simply fire 19 and load a fresh mag negating the need to recycle the cocking handle.
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Great review and it is sad that a rifle with a match barrel has such a crappy trigger. As for no bolt hold open I learned years ago to load 2 tracer rounds in the mag first then 1 at the half way point so when you see one go down range you know you are 1/2 through and when you see the next 2 go you better be ready to reload.
Tom Truesdale Thanks Tom. That’s a great tip. I might just steal it!
Hk parts .com has enhanced triggers
Bring the pull way down
Thank you. Best review ive seen on this weapon.
Thank you. I’m glad you liked it.
I had one years ago. You can definitely put out the firepower .
PTRs are very reliable, just don't expect to re-use the brass.
The one I reviewed was very reliably. I have to give it credit for that.
"just don't expect to re-use the brass"... that is, if you can even find it! My buddy has an HK-91 and, boy does it launch the brass! I have reloaded some of the HK-91 brass, so it is "doable" but man is it UGLY. Semper Fi, TreeTop
It’s the same way coming out of the PTR. Good to see you Treetop! I haven’t seen you comment for a while.
@@hrfunk I'm always here, supporting your channel, Howard, but don't always comment. Today's episode brought back some memories for me, though! Thanks, TreeTop
You’re welcome. Thanks for being there. Semper Fi!
Thank you for your honest opinion at the end.
You’re welcome Nathan. Thanks for watching!
Very cool video! Interesting Rifle.
Thank you!
Incredible intro music. Does your daughter have any recordings available?
No, sorry but she does not.
An interesting rifle but not really my cup of tea. I do enjoy seeing rifles like this that are chambered in 7.62 NATO though. Always good to see something else made in the US.
Thanks for the video!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Good to see a South Carolina gun... wish it left you with a better impression though. Slap a better trigger on it and I'm guessing it would help a lot with your review?
Interesting rifle! Thanks for sharing, Chief. 👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Frank Butta you’re welcome. Thanks for watching Frank!
That rifle needs a trigger job.
I have always liked those HK 91's though.
Robert Funk it definitely does. Thanks for watching Robert!
I have been wanting one for a while. Thanks for the video
You're welcome. I hope it was helpful.
@@hrfunk it was!
Wow, very good information sir. I love it
Thank you!
Good video thank you
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
Great video. I just purchased a PTR-91 A3S and I think the trigger will be the first thing I upgrade. By the way, what kind of shooting bench are you using?
I don't remember the brand name. I purchased it from MidwayUSA and I've had it for years. I don't know if they are still made.
Anyone ever told you that you look a little like Frank Sutton? That's a compliment btw....I always loved Frank and his character on Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C. You could be Franks son or nephew maybe. Nice review and loved your daughter's music intro!
Thank you. I hear that quite a bit. From what I know of Frank Sutton, I take the comparison as a compliment. Thanks for watching.
I won First Place Internationally in North Germany shooting the G3. Always loved it. Always wanted to own an HK91 but they are so expensive. I hear the PTR is the next best thing.. Also..The HK is 1:12 vs the PTR 1:10 twist... or?
Good shooting with that G3! I'm not sure about the twist rate used by PTR, but it's probably listed on their website.
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WHO_Tee_WHO happy to see you here!
I was looking forward to this video with great interest. I have a Century Arms C308 currently in layaway. It's another G3/91 clone, and I believe PTR makes some of the parts. Well, a CETME hybrid clone, which is itself a G3 clone I believe. From what I read, I will encounter many of the issues that you did. I'm planning to mount a much similar optic as you, a Millet 1-4 DMS. My research also indicates some aftermarket trigger groups that should address some of the accuracy issues. It's not the rifle I would've preferred, but the asking price fit my budget where none of the others did.
I hope it works out well for you. As an aside, I had a Millet scope one. It was pretty good glass for the money.
@@hrfunk I will let you know how the rifle works. I opted for the wood furniture, so it's got that classic look. I'm even considering a bayonet. Just because. The Millit was originally for my AR, but the "cheapy" red dot currently on it is working out so well I'm loath to switch.
It's not a clone..... PTR makes them with real HK machining from portugal. Also, HK 91 and g3 is actually a clone of the spanish cetme.
Just ran across your video, Pretty good, The HK21 Rubber recoil pad will swap out directly. I have a couple of PTRs, Good rifles. I am sure you have heard of the US Army rifle team, Cause even Marines need Heroes. lol, Just kiddin. Take care.
Call Bill Springfield and he will for a reasonable price cut that trigger pull in half. He has done at least 4 to 5 triggers for me and they are excellent. You will also get it back in a very short time. Great guy to talk to.
Thank you. I'll notify the rifle's owner.
I lost the live. But I am here. Hello from Brazil. Congrats!
Hi Paulo. I was looking for you this morning!
Next time Howard. Superb Video. I guess that you must have some tools with you in the range. See you
I usually do. This is one of those times I ventured forth without them. It figures it would be the time I needed some!
We missed you Paulo!
Hi Edward! Next time!
Wow there’s quite the interest in this one
I noticed that too.
Love your Channel Sir! Great gun! If you get a chance can you try and review the CZ Bren 2? I have the 16" version in 5.56 and can't wait to pick up the 308 version.
Thanks William. If I get my hands on one, you’ll see it.
Sad how bad the trigger is on a newer updated version
I agree.
Hi, I have a PTR 91. I’m looking for a wide handguard like yours. Where did you buy yours?
It came from Atlantic Tactical.
I used to have one. Bought it from Atlantic firearms. Enjoy!
Thanks Don. The one in the video came from Atlantic too.
What kind of marine needs optics to fire a good group at 100 yards?
Ha! An old one.
A trigger job is highly recommended for the HK91 / PTR91. It really helps. For ammo I've found mine is a bit picky. It really likes Federal 149 grain. Shoots 1.5" groups at 100 yards consistantly.
Good 1950s battle rifle fun!
I believe it!
It would be a bit more user-friendly and lighter if you would use the original thin grips. The bipod grips are only to make the rifle for a dubious roll as a light machine gun. Typically, in German service, it wasn't used at all for that purpose, because they had plenty of machine guns. More impoverished nations typically use the bipod grips for their lack of machine guns. I bought the wide grip and bipod just for fun for mine. I only use irons, so I don't have a rail. My trigger is smooth, and relatively light, even if a bit mushy. The recoil feels very docile, too. If you want to keep your rifle from kicking like a mule, don't allow any oil, or other lubricant to leak into the buffer assembly. This is how and why this rifle gets a bad reputation for excessive recoil. Even the vast majority of empties are reusable. I love the sights, they come very intuitively for me, even though I have much more formal training and experience with the M16a2.I must have been lucky with mine.
Was going to go with the PTR91....
Went with the FNFAL instead!
I was going to go for an FN FAL by DSA but on Reddit it's just countless of quality control problems. Probably I'm going to go for the PTR. Did you ever get your fal? How has it worked out for you?
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To be honest I after more thought and study did NOT go with the FAL. DSA just has to many QC problems and a wait list that's weeks or months long.
I went with an AR10 platform instead!
My favorite battle rifle and primary choice. One thing to note is that the H&K delayed rollers are the most standardized and interchangable of rifle designs, because of H&K's extremely rigid manufacturing license requirements that all specs remain as is. This means a PTR91 owner can use any HK91 parts, or even if you were in the middle of nowhere in a country that uses the G3, almost every part ever made in storage can be used. This puts it ahead of FN FAL and Ar10 in terms of surplus and new parts, fixing problems, ect. It also means that the difference between a well made PTR91 and a HK91 are almost nil.
That PTR factory in your neck of the woods uses old H&K machinery from Portugal. It may not be a German rifle per se, but it is made on authentico machinery!
The rifle's trigger is an issue, I suppose you forget about it when you run it enough. I've gotten used to the "wall" and it probably hurts my shooting with other rifles. Many will complain that the rifle kicks worse than other battle rifles, but with a steel lower to help stiffen out any play and a heavy recoil buffer the gun can be tamed. I can get 2 MOA or better out of mine with my 4x ACOG. Sometimes the horizontal drift I get in groups is fault of the ACOG, and sometimes that hard trigger.
For someone used to shooting nice triggers, the G3 can be a big kick in the pants. It takes some marrying into to get good with it, but if you ever do get used to it its a great rifle.
Thanks for the comment. I’m sure you are correct. If I spent a lot of time working with this rifle and learned it’s characteristics, I would undoubtedly do better with it than I did in the video. My problem is that I’m so accustomed to the various US battle rifles that the G3 design just feels awkward to me. Still, I’m glad it works for you. Take care and thanks for watching!
Hi Chief, love the introduction. She is great. Is that an acoustic upright? You are bad ass by the way. Let me contact you.
Yep. Upright acoustic. Feel free to send me an email at Hrfunk@zoominternet.net.
Interesting rifle. If you could have this or a FN Fal which would you prefer?
At the moment, I can’t really answer that because I have no experience with an FAL. That should be changing in the near future.
10.5 lbs! Half the weight of an M60. Between the weight of a battle rifle and the weight of the ammo it carries, I can see why the M16 variants is the path the US military opted for.
Yep. Me too.
I'd be interested in YOU, reviewing the ptr 91, at distance, maybe 800 yards??......once you SOLIDLY SECURE your scope and BRING TOOLS.....
wow, my a3r has the same type trigger pull...terrible...lol
I always wanted an HK91 when I was younger.
This clone looks interesting. Was that the trigger reset I was hearing during the bench shooting? Dang, that's rough! Definitely need a trigger job if I were to get one. But then, I DO have the AR, so I have to ask myself why?
Yes. That was the trigger reset you were hearing.
Diversify your portfolio lad
@@johnpierce4778 lol!
Point taken, me bucko!
When talking about weight shouldn't you compare it to the AR 10 instead?
Probably, but since more people are familiar with the weight of the AR15, I used it for a reference.
One more quick question if I may, that is a recoil op, no gas system, right?
Gas operated roller delayed blow-back.
Thanks!
And now, we wait....
I hope it was worth the wait.
How difficult is the PTR for you to charge? I have this same rifle and its very difficult for me to get the charging handle open and pull back...no rounds in it so far. Cocking tube/bolt gap problem?
The one I used in the video hand-cycled smoothly. I had no difficulty in retracting the bolt. I would guess yours will get a little easier after you fire it some.
@@hrfunk I hope so! I was just concerned there were bolt/coking gap issues since I have read there have been some with certain rifles. Mostly Century clones but I am sure PTR isn't immune
Can you kill a deer with no more than 3 shots with that rifle? If not, Mini Mike Bloomberg says that deer deserves to live and you should not have the right to own that rifle.
Mini Mike has so much to learn.
Is is wrong that I "lilke" your videos before I watch them????
Kevin Hartman Not so far as I’m concerned! Thanks Kevin.
How do you think it compares to the FAL?
I have no real experience with the FAL (yet) so I can't answer that. Sorry.
I thought it was chambered 308?
Technically it's chambered for the 7.62mm NATO cartridge, but it will also fire .308 ammo as long as it essentially matches the pressure of the NATO load.
@@hrfunk Okay good to know, I just bought one and the manual is kind of unclear. I was under the impression that the 308 pressure load (while essentially the same) is slightly higher and could cause some wear and tear on 7.62 chambered weapons.
I wouldn’t use anything that was drastically more powerful (i I.e. higher pressure) than the standard 7.62 mm loading. So long as you stay in that general area, you shouldn’t have any problems.
Wow! That beast is Heavier than an unloaded M1 Garand....and has No Wood on it! 😳 BUT, it's a Nice looking rifle, in an effective caliber. One could definitely do Worse! 👍🏻
Absolutely one could do worse. Still, given my “druthers” I think I’d opt for my M1.
@@hrfunk I would too actually. If I had to choose between the 2, I'd go with the Garand also. 👍🏻
These roller delayed setups blow any m1 garand, ar15, ak47 etc out the park. Roller delayed is the best in my opinion. Smooth shooting rifles
I notice the benefits of the roller-delayed system much more in the MP5 than I do with a full-power battle rifle.
Thats not an M1A. kidding !
It's not? Oh, maaan!
hrfunk lol ! BTW, my new m1a , now has nm sights on it. Tuned to 200 yds. Big difference !
Very typical of the H&K 91/93 rifles... and even, though to a lesser degree, the ubiquitous MP5. The handling characteristics are poor, the ergonomics worse, and the triggers just plain SUCK. The only 91 that I ever fired that HAD a decent trigger was a DMR version, and even that was no hell. I understand they do make a very nice, very accurate sniper version, but I have never had the opportunity to try one.
In terms of the battle rifles of the era, I've always thought the H&K was tail-end charlie. It was FAR inferior to the FN FAL, and also the M-14. It MAY (dubiously) have been more versatile... but I don't see that.
What I can't figure out is why anyone is still making, or BUYING, these dinosaurs.
After spending some time with the one in the video, I can see why you would wonder about that.
Thats what slings are for.
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Match grade barrel and a 10 lb trigger, you're better off with an AK. With a fluted chamber they destroy brass cases. Overpriced cold war clone.
Bigbore that’s a pretty fair assessment.
Those mags still 5 bucks?
Yes they are. April 2020 I ordered 10 from Cheaper Than Dirt. I know, CTD sucks, but they had them cheap.
@@johnlogan9427 ctd does suck cant judge a man getting equipment though.
What did the brass look like after firing? If memory serves the 91 had a fluted chamber to aid in extraction, but I've heard that it damages the brass making it difficult of maybe even unsuitable for reloading. Never had a 91, so I'm just asking out of curiosity.
The PTR does have a fluted chamber, and you can tell by looking at the brass. I’ve heard mixed reviews about reloading it. I’ve never tried it myself.
ZBeard I have reloaded the brass shot in my H&K 91 with no problem. Finding the brass after shooting is more of a challenge.
HR its not a bad looking rifle I have never owned one and I have heard the gun is hard on brass , so reloading would be almost a waste of time there was a time I owned a Century Arms FAL it was a fair comparison to the PTR the FAL was soon traded for a SA SOCOM M1A , it will stay in my armory
That pretty much summarizes my feelings. Thanks for watching!
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Good enough gun, bad ergonomics.
AKlover says the AKlover....
@@foxsquirrel3038 I own a 91, no problems with it. Unless you are 7ft tall with huge hands the ergos are shit. Works on an MP-5 where everything is nice tight and close. Does not work on A battle rifle. Fals ergos are much better. The M1A is a different animal that still has better ergos. The SCAR H is a $3000+ rifle that will break any optic you put on it sooner than you expect. Your attempt at snark and wit just makes you look like an idiot.
6:45 STOP COMPLAINING BUTT NUGGET.