I believe that small company's name is Fingers Crossed BMX or something and it involves Ruben Alcantara and Garrett Byrnes 30:35. After WethePeople got backlash because those two claimed WTP copied them, most people have been waiting forever for that bike to be released by those two to the market and I've lost my respect to both Ruben and Garrett ever since this unnecessary drama happened.
As a road cyclist I don't get the carbon rims. It's ridiculous. On road bikes they make sense, being light, strong enough (you're not jumping around) but they are expensive. On a bmx it's crazy. Price is going to be super high. Yes Carbon is lighter than steel but to make it strong enough to withstand bmx riding they are going to need a lot of carbon fibre so the weight difference is going to be minimal. They are aroud 200g lighter but I can't imagine them being strong enough. Just look at carbon on road bikes, 1 crash and your wheels are donzo
how does the Reason weigh more than the Justice?? That makes no sense to me? Did they take the weight of the Justice without brakes installed? (as shown in the photo) shouldnt a full chromo frame weigh less than a trimoly? Its not just a little heavier too its a whole LB +
I have a 2019 Versus and a 2020 Reason. I personally ride the Reason more and have swapped most of the parts cause I like the frame geo better. But, out of the box, they’re both great bikes. Good quality control coming from wtp. Every weld is clean and tight. Soild bikes.
Happy to hear this, was looking at both, and just went with the '23 Reason as well with that exact though on the geometry. Like them both though! Thanks for sharing.
I used to ride WTP back in 2005-2008 and even then they were killing the game. Im just not getting back into bmx at 32 years old and damn right i'm getting a WTP again just like I had in mylate teens and early 20s!
I did think about getting a 2021 Envy and getting some carbonic rims laced, but couldn’t bring myself to do it, as it’s sure to be cheaper to buy the complete. Can’t wait.
WTP Prices are too high in Europe now. Few years ago the WTP bikes and parts are in good prices and now it's a swindle for Taiwan made. Sorry but it's reality.
Ruben alacantara was designing a full suspension bmx i don't know if it was being built by terrible 1 or fly but there are UA-cam videos about it if you really want to find out but i thought id put that out there your welcome
That Swamp Master is weird as hell lol. I personally think Wethepeople is overpriced, but they're nice bikes. Especially the Reason thats black with oil slick cranks.
Ive seen some giros on mtb's so id imagine you could do the3 same thing on the swamp master. They should totally consider putting one on that but if they put hydrophilic brakes on it you obviously cant.
Did the game changer WTP Sinus ever come out Dougster, I can't find it anywhere besides just the frame from 2006 (1 on ebay currently for 300). I Only seen it in some pics on bmx museum website the 2006 WTP Sinus version?
Here's the sign up page for the $100 Gift Card that I talked about... dougsterbobsignup.ck.page/ba7405bca3
WTP really has a way of making people who don't care for purple actually like it
I believe that small company's name is Fingers Crossed BMX or something and it involves Ruben Alcantara and Garrett Byrnes 30:35.
After WethePeople got backlash because those two claimed WTP copied them, most people have been waiting forever for that bike to be released by those two to the market and I've lost my respect to both Ruben and Garrett ever since this unnecessary drama happened.
Too bad a lot of these higher end bikes don't fit us small guys. Sucks being 5'7" with short arms and legs...🤣🤣🤣
The swamp master is dropping soon
As a road cyclist I don't get the carbon rims. It's ridiculous. On road bikes they make sense, being light, strong enough (you're not jumping around) but they are expensive. On a bmx it's crazy. Price is going to be super high. Yes Carbon is lighter than steel but to make it strong enough to withstand bmx riding they are going to need a lot of carbon fibre so the weight difference is going to be minimal. They are aroud 200g lighter but I can't imagine them being strong enough. Just look at carbon on road bikes, 1 crash and your wheels are donzo
Swampmaster is easily a 31 lb bike. Probably a novelty bike that will end up a 1600 dollar bike with flat tires in the back of the garage.
Dope
Hey brother, can you make a video of the Stranger Royale 2021 Complete???
WTP bikes remind me of the Porsche 911. Meticulously designed, over engineered and of the highest quality. Love it!!
how does the Reason weigh more than the Justice?? That makes no sense to me?
Did they take the weight of the Justice without brakes installed? (as shown in the photo)
shouldnt a full chromo frame weigh less than a trimoly? Its not just a little heavier too its a whole LB +
Ill be ordering a swamp master for sure!
I like their counterpunch to Colony's flat bike.
I think Brooklyn Machine Works did a full sus bmx in about 2001? maybe earlier.
Love all the content.
The Swamp thing should be at least 2000 bucks. 2023, they will introduce an even more expensive version with even better suspension @ 2500 bucks.
I have a 2019 Versus and a 2020 Reason. I personally ride the Reason more and have swapped most of the parts cause I like the frame geo better. But, out of the box, they’re both great bikes. Good quality control coming from wtp. Every weld is clean and tight. Soild bikes.
Happy to hear this, was looking at both, and just went with the '23 Reason as well with that exact though on the geometry. Like them both though! Thanks for sharing.
I used to ride WTP back in 2005-2008 and even then they were killing the game. Im just not getting back into bmx at 32 years old and damn right i'm getting a WTP again just like I had in mylate teens and early 20s!
WTP lover here sorry
The Envy is already expensive in the lineup from before, so the carbonic would be a hell expensive.
I have the 2021 reason Matt black and it’s amazing. love the quality of WTP
Can u make a video with we the people bikes 2023 in aud $
Lol I'm 6" shorter than you and have 1/2 in taller bars
Your title says 2023 bikes just so you know
swampmaster copy from Terrible one
Can you make a video
I did think about getting a 2021 Envy and getting some carbonic rims laced, but couldn’t bring myself to do it, as it’s sure to be cheaper to buy the complete. Can’t wait.
I agree. It should be cheaper just going with the complete.
WTP Envy Carbonic is 1,579.99 Euros, 1,663.29 Dollars at today's exchange rate ha ha
WTP Prices are too high in Europe now. Few years ago the WTP bikes and parts are in good prices and now it's a swindle for Taiwan made. Sorry but it's reality.
Ruben alacantara was designing a full suspension bmx i don't know if it was being built by terrible 1 or fly but there are UA-cam videos about it if you really want to find out but i thought id put that out there your welcome
That Swamp Master is weird as hell lol. I personally think Wethepeople is overpriced, but they're nice bikes. Especially the Reason thats black with oil slick cranks.
Ive seen some giros on mtb's so id imagine you could do the3 same thing on the swamp master. They should totally consider putting one on that but if they put hydrophilic brakes on it you obviously cant.
15- 1,680 $$. I like my reason and doomsayer.
Lol i said 2k before you did definitely won't be cheap
I dont see the DOOMSAYER on here :P
A little tiny bit sad that they didn't change the color ways for the trust at all
Did the game changer WTP Sinus ever come out Dougster, I can't find it anywhere besides just the frame from 2006 (1 on ebay currently for 300). I Only seen it in some pics on bmx museum website the 2006 WTP Sinus version?
I have one
I’d say $4000 for the swamp master. How many full suspension mountain bike brands are there? Did they think they invented full suspension? 😂
it just came out its 1k
That swamp master will be about $2700
Your so close to 10k
I guess the Evny will be $1800
Love We the People Bikes, but man they are high priced when you get to their upper end bikes.
i think minis r important, do u have kids ?maybe thats y ..youll understand one day if u do…review the minis
not for me but for the dads out there that dont kno u kno
Tell me witch brand bro. First time buying BMX bike. SUNDAY FUNDAY,Cult Crew, volume.
No patent = open season If its built well its a jump bike