I salute all of our fire fighters in the world,you guys are true heroes and I and I know every other living human being in this world would like to thank you for your bravery and courage.
Thanks everyone for your comments and feedback - To clarify we DO NOT recommend pulling hinges; If you watch the ENTIRE video it should give you a perspective why. YES a rotary saw is a great tool and one that we recommend bringing up to the building as it may be your first choice and/or best option, but remember this - The "IRONS" won't run out of gas, can't flood when starting, are easier to carry than a saw and can work in a smoke filled environment where a saw may not.
Got a Halligan drill coming up and this information really will come in handy for different ways to use the halligan for forcible entry in the field. Thanks for the information and demonstration.
Love these videos. Excellent presentation. You obviously teach classes in person. So to secure a house I should get metal doors, security hinges with pins, and a good locking system with metal guard plate. But then ppl will just go through the windows lol.
Good stuff Dale...We trained our people on this technique years ago as an option in the DCFD at a Civil War era hospital with much thicker hinges and longer screws than we have today. When we got to the point where the Halligan couldn't pry out the hinge, we took another Halligan and placed it's forks behind the original and drove this bar too. It worked quite well. Give it a try next time you drill if you haven't alrady. Like all your videos and follow you
Dale. Keep this up. I've already noticed doors in my first response area that are shoe-ins for this technique (Pacific Coast Steel Co., even the Children's Hospital fire exits, etc). Thank you, and keep up the good work!
Not a firefighter, rather im a locksmith. Forced entry videos are super interesting, as it uses methods that would be unthinkable in my trade. But it's really good to know that those attacks are possible and used (even if rarely). I have been to lock outs where i have had to cut hinges off, which sucked, but i have never needed to use a halligan.
In Germany we've only bought the halligan tool and its equipment. There is no possibility to train how to work with it, but your Videos are a great help for us! Thank you very much and greetings Form germany ☺
If your pulling the hinges on a metal door, striking the door next to the hinge will dent the door and start to pull the hinge screws out of the door. A potential plan "B" is to move the halligan side to side once the fork is in place over the hinge, one ff on each side of the halligan, this will do some major damage to the hinge screws. Great video Dale!
@@BrBCatsOnFireLuL - Absolutely another option, but only if the hinge pins allow for this - Many commercial hinge assemblies have flanges/caps on the bottom of the hinge preventing tapping out and pulling the pins. Other assemblies have a small hole which in some cases allows the use of a nail (ideally a fluted masonry nail) to tap the pin up from the bottom so it can be pulled. We carry nails on our helmets for just this application as well as for chocking doors and using on magnetic door locks to prevent the magnet from re-locking after it's been opened. Thanks for your comment.
Im actually taking 2 forcible entry classes this week. Found this to be helpful. Had no idea you were from elm groove lol. Im on lannon fire department. Good stuff keep em coming.
A company called Carolina Roller makes this thing called a travelers hook. It costs 1$. I learned about this tool watching penetration test videos. Defcon videos. The travelers hook will not work if there are drop bars or added dead bolts but on some doors it is possible to use a travelers hook to simply move the latch bolt out of the way and defeat the door within 5 seconds. It may be something to try first on some doors in the future. Super light small and cheep tool. Also it would work right away or not at all so it wouldn't waste a lot of time on a useless attack. Mainly useful on doors without added drop bars or dead bolts.
Good afternoon gents, have you ever tried striking the hinge on the side not from the top, as in hit it so the hinge goes backwards into the door? In theory there would be enough movement to loosen or shear the screws? Have a great day.
As somebody that worked in construction and not firefighting. The first thing i thought was a Sthill saw or Grider to cut straight to the pins fist. Then it was mentioned at around 08:30. and so I was just wondering what the method is to start? Once you decide you're going for the hinges and not the lock side, do you start with the saw/Grinder or is the axe and Hallagan bar the first stop with the power tools being a secondary? As it looks like you're using a hell of a lot of energy braying the hell (quite successfully I might add) out of the hinges when 4 cuts to the pins and then prying the gap then bigger would look possibly easier and quicker? Of course i understand the need to know how to do this should any number or reasons for the saw to decide you're getting work out should occur. I was just wondering what the order of tools is? Again, this is just the observation of somebody who has done similar but for different reasons and we just do the easiest thing, nobodies' life is in danger, and we just don't like the effort of sledge hammers and chisels, so the grinder or saw would be the first port of call. Any replies are appreciated from people with more or deferent experiences. I'm just here because i think this kind of stuff is really cool to know and see how it works.
While this makes a lot of noise, it just shows you how relatively insecure even metal doors and jambs are. People actually worry about someone picking a lock versus someone doing a physical attack.
Ok i know it dpends on the circumstances and the type of doors but if you done this in Thailand you would have to pay for the door i noticed the hinges were standard cap and bolt so why did you not simply pop the top of the cap off and pry the bolt out or from the bottom vice versa use uncap and use the pick to pop it up ????????????????????????? Love the channel by the way and welcome to Thailand
Does anyone know if it particularly matters if the curve of the bevel is curving into or away from the jamb? Curving away may make it go onto/behind the hinge a little better but if the tips curve INTO the jamb I could see how it gives a little more elvergae with the ends biting into the jamb.
on doors wear the hing will not come loos wedge the gap in the door and use this to try to pry the door open the door will not open but will loosed the screws a little and give a tad more room then going back to attacking the hings should not make it ezer and faster to remove. also you can hit a hinge from the sides to help loosen it up
Quick question, would pulling hinge pins be viable? while some can be a security type, I have to wonder about run of the mill hinges, because at my house, those pins love to wander out of the hinges...
Yes pulling the pins is definitely a viable option and we have used it as a non destructive or "Gentleman's Truck" technique to get in - As you mentioned as long as they are removable. Many have a small opening in the bottom of the hinge which allows us to use a fluted masonry nail to tap the pin up to start the process and than once the flange/head of the pin is exposed we can grab or knock it the rest of the way out.
Silly question, could you use hydraulic spreader there between the concrete block edge & the hinges? I'm guessing going back for power tools isn't the focus of this video though.
What about if you had an emergency with a heavy duty door equipped with mortice deadlocks, after hinges have been removed would the door pry out from the jamb as easy?
Longer dead bolts take a little more effort - You pry away the hinge side of the door first and than once that clears the jamb you start work on the latch/lock side. I've removed doors with deadbolts that had an 1.5 inch throw using this technique - Not in an active fire situation, but during investigations. It's a viable technique to reduce or minimize damage when a key holder isn't available.
After hearing about the Texas school massacre and the cops not being able to get in class because steel door was locked, how long would that take a firefighter to get through? Thanks
Depends on how the door was locked - Type of and number of locks as well as how the door is constructed (thickness of steel and type of edge seam on the latch side of the door) - An "average" steel door with a single dead bolt would take 30 seconds to a minute with a knowledgeable and properly equipped entry team. If it was just a panic bar or latch lock with a 1/2 inch throw, it could take less than 15 seconds. I've forced many steel doors alone in less than a minute using just a set of Irons (Flat Head axe and Halligan bar) and quite a few with just the Halligan. Most police depts or SWAT teams are not as proficient at forcing outward opening doors as they are inward - Inward doors can be forced with a battering ram breach technique as you often see in a residential setting - However exterior doors on commercial and assembly buildings are designed to swing in the direction of EXIT (or outward) and require a different set of techniques than forcing an inward opening door.
IMO That's a great way to go, except it is still true the irons won't run out of gas, drown out, or fail to start in a smoke filled enviornment... not to mention they're lighter!
The guys that promote starting with the top hinge say it allows smoke and heat to escape out the top of the door while you're working as the door can start to drop out of the frame as you work your way down the jamb - I'm not a fan as it can create an added flow path before you're ready to advance, not to mention it can compromise your position before you even gain entry.
What about a battery powered angle grinder with a zip-cup disk? I could see it taking 15 seconds per hinge... much less destructive as well but I don't think that matters lol
"Dem doors that was close, I rip da doors off and I took the hinges off and when I took the hinges off, I put the hinges in the fuckboy's hands. Yeh. You know I... I took the whole door off and the hinges and put them in the fuckboy's hands. You can put the hinges on the hands too." -DJ khaled
I salute all of our fire fighters in the world,you guys are true heroes and I and I know every other living human being in this world would like to thank you for your bravery and courage.
Thanks everyone for your comments and feedback - To clarify we DO NOT recommend pulling hinges; If you watch the ENTIRE video it should give you a perspective why. YES a rotary saw is a great tool and one that we recommend bringing up to the building as it may be your first choice and/or best option, but remember this - The "IRONS" won't run out of gas, can't flood when starting, are easier to carry than a saw and can work in a smoke filled environment where a saw may not.
DALE G. PEKEL SWAT guy just love you guys everything they learned about entry they learn from you guys
This is why jamb pins exist.
Got a Halligan drill coming up and this information really will come in handy for different ways to use the halligan for forcible entry in the field. Thanks for the information and demonstration.
Thanks for the excellent video and for showing both the procedures that work as planned and the ones that don't.
This video was very helpful to me. I really appreciate both of you going out into 15 degree weather to show us FNGs how its done. Thanks a lot!
Love these videos. Excellent presentation. You obviously teach classes in person.
So to secure a house I should get metal doors, security hinges with pins, and a good locking system with metal guard plate. But then ppl will just go through the windows lol.
Good stuff Dale...We trained our people on this technique years ago as an option in the DCFD at a Civil War era hospital with much thicker hinges and longer screws than we have today. When we got to the point where the Halligan couldn't pry out the hinge, we took another Halligan and placed it's forks behind the original and drove this bar too. It worked quite well. Give it a try next time you drill if you haven't alrady. Like all your videos and follow you
Must have been at St Es before FEMA got there off MLK S.E.
Dale. Keep this up. I've already noticed doors in my first response area that are shoe-ins for this technique (Pacific Coast Steel Co., even the Children's Hospital fire exits, etc). Thank you, and keep up the good work!
I have just a detailed video of the installation of a floor hinge fireproof steel door. thank for watching!!
Thanks for taking the time to make these videos, they are very helpful
Not a firefighter, rather im a locksmith. Forced entry videos are super interesting, as it uses methods that would be unthinkable in my trade. But it's really good to know that those attacks are possible and used (even if rarely). I have been to lock outs where i have had to cut hinges off, which sucked, but i have never needed to use a halligan.
In Germany we've only bought the halligan tool and its equipment. There is no possibility to train how to work with it, but your Videos are a great help for us! Thank you very much and greetings Form germany ☺
Invite me I will come train you guys
I'd say you better fucking learn IN GERMANY, lest it cost someone's life.
If your pulling the hinges on a metal door, striking the door next to the hinge will dent the door and start to pull the hinge screws out of the door. A potential plan "B" is to move the halligan side to side once the fork is in place over the hinge, one ff on each side of the halligan, this will do some major damage to the hinge screws. Great video Dale!
Glad to have you in Wauwatosa FD keep it up!
D-pekel fell in the snow at 8:15-8:20
nice! now off to the neighbors house.
Just pop the pins ,
@@BrBCatsOnFireLuL - Absolutely another option, but only if the hinge pins allow for this - Many commercial hinge assemblies have flanges/caps on the bottom of the hinge preventing tapping out and pulling the pins. Other assemblies have a small hole which in some cases allows the use of a nail (ideally a fluted masonry nail) to tap the pin up from the bottom so it can be pulled. We carry nails on our helmets for just this application as well as for chocking doors and using on magnetic door locks to prevent the magnet from re-locking after it's been opened. Thanks for your comment.
@@DALEGPEKEL Interesting I've seen the small hole caps but never a full cap. Thanks for the reply.
Lmfao that was a good laugh!!!
4:23 "I'm not a tall guy, I'm only 5'10" --> boy I am 5'4, who's not tall? ;') (Great video FYI)
Both of you
I don't like the idea of pulling hinges, but if the situation warrants it, this is a good video to show the best way!
REMEMBER to Rock the halligan side to side to loosen the hinge. Along with prying outward
Im actually taking 2 forcible entry classes this week. Found this to be helpful. Had no idea you were from elm groove lol. Im on lannon fire department. Good stuff keep em coming.
I love the halligan bar. I’m a sheriff deputy and I carry a set in my squad car
Thanks again, these videos are great pieces of information.
Lots to learn from you.
A company called Carolina Roller makes this thing called a travelers hook. It costs 1$. I learned about this tool watching penetration test videos. Defcon videos. The travelers hook will not work if there are drop bars or added dead bolts but on some doors it is possible to use a travelers hook to simply move the latch bolt out of the way and defeat the door within 5 seconds. It may be something to try first on some doors in the future. Super light small and cheep tool. Also it would work right away or not at all so it wouldn't waste a lot of time on a useless attack. Mainly useful on doors without added drop bars or dead bolts.
Good afternoon gents, have you ever tried striking the hinge on the side not from the top, as in hit it so the hinge goes backwards into the door? In theory there would be enough movement to loosen or shear the screws? Have a great day.
Excellent, Dale!
Say, no out-takes? Fair amount of snow on your back side there! LOL!
Dale as usual an excellent training video. And looked a little cold while videoing!
Holy shit, this is a technique reserved for the pros.
Great video. Thank you! Odd question, is your helmet a 1044? Looking to get one soon.
As somebody that worked in construction and not firefighting. The first thing i thought was a Sthill saw or Grider to cut straight to the pins fist. Then it was mentioned at around 08:30. and so I was just wondering what the method is to start? Once you decide you're going for the hinges and not the lock side, do you start with the saw/Grinder or is the axe and Hallagan bar the first stop with the power tools being a secondary? As it looks like you're using a hell of a lot of energy braying the hell (quite successfully I might add) out of the hinges when 4 cuts to the pins and then prying the gap then bigger would look possibly easier and quicker? Of course i understand the need to know how to do this should any number or reasons for the saw to decide you're getting work out should occur. I was just wondering what the order of tools is?
Again, this is just the observation of somebody who has done similar but for different reasons and we just do the easiest thing, nobodies' life is in danger, and we just don't like the effort of sledge hammers and chisels, so the grinder or saw would be the first port of call.
Any replies are appreciated from people with more or deferent experiences. I'm just here because i think this kind of stuff is really cool to know and see how it works.
While this makes a lot of noise, it just shows you how relatively insecure even metal doors and jambs are. People actually worry about someone picking a lock versus someone doing a physical attack.
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If you have someone coming for you like that it’s safe to assume you’re locked and loaded
Great video Dale, although watching it I'm glad I'm in Florida. Thanks again.
Ok i know it dpends on the circumstances and the type of doors but if you done this in Thailand you would have to pay for the door
i noticed the hinges were standard cap and bolt so why did you not simply pop the top of the cap off and pry the bolt out or from the bottom vice versa use uncap and use the pick to pop it up ????????????????????????? Love the channel by the way and welcome to Thailand
this looks really fun
Great video got some good pointers. Thanks and keep the videos coming.
Good advertisement for jamb pins!
Does anyone know if it particularly matters if the curve of the bevel is curving into or away from the jamb? Curving away may make it go onto/behind the hinge a little better but if the tips curve INTO the jamb I could see how it gives a little more elvergae with the ends biting into the jamb.
It's a hooligan bar👍
K saw, Many places weld the hinge in to prevent theft.
great video, keep'em coming..
Thank you for this informative and great video.
Good video. Another great idea to have in my toolbox on the dire scene
on doors wear the hing will not come loos wedge the gap in the door and use this to try to pry the door open the door will not open but will loosed the screws a little and give a tad more room then going back to attacking the hings should not make it ezer and faster to remove. also you can hit a hinge from the sides to help loosen it up
Quick question, would pulling hinge pins be viable? while some can be a security type, I have to wonder about run of the mill hinges, because at my house, those pins love to wander out of the hinges...
Yes pulling the pins is definitely a viable option and we have used it as a non destructive or "Gentleman's Truck" technique to get in - As you mentioned as long as they are removable. Many have a small opening in the bottom of the hinge which allows us to use a fluted masonry nail to tap the pin up to start the process and than once the flange/head of the pin is exposed we can grab or knock it the rest of the way out.
This looks so damn satisfying, i want to be a firefighter so bad.
Great video, thanks guys!
Can u make a video about breaking into a bank i want to be prepared just in case
Most commercial buildings will have a more heavier fortified rear door. Including many times fox locks & "fort apache" drop in bars
Silly question, could you use hydraulic spreader there between the concrete block edge & the hinges? I'm guessing going back for power tools isn't the focus of this video though.
What about if you had an emergency with a heavy duty door equipped with mortice deadlocks, after hinges have been removed would the door pry out from the jamb as easy?
Longer dead bolts take a little more effort - You pry away the hinge side of the door first and than once that clears the jamb you start work on the latch/lock side. I've removed doors with deadbolts that had an 1.5 inch throw using this technique - Not in an active fire situation, but during investigations. It's a viable technique to reduce or minimize damage when a key holder isn't available.
@@DALEGPEKEL thank you 🙏
Great info for the general public to know - which includes the shadier side of humanity.
Great video! How is your axe holding up to the abuse? I'm considering buying one of those for myself....is it worth the money?
Thankx for this video it was very helpful
Not the non-destructive method I’m looking for. I just have a bolt broken in the frame, I’m not try to break in.
After hearing about the Texas school massacre and the cops not being able to get in class because steel door was locked, how long would that take a firefighter to get through? Thanks
Depends on how the door was locked - Type of and number of locks as well as how the door is constructed (thickness of steel and type of edge seam on the latch side of the door) - An "average" steel door with a single dead bolt would take 30 seconds to a minute with a knowledgeable and properly equipped entry team. If it was just a panic bar or latch lock with a 1/2 inch throw, it could take less than 15 seconds. I've forced many steel doors alone in less than a minute using just a set of Irons (Flat Head axe and Halligan bar) and quite a few with just the Halligan. Most police depts or SWAT teams are not as proficient at forcing outward opening doors as they are inward - Inward doors can be forced with a battering ram breach technique as you often see in a residential setting - However exterior doors on commercial and assembly buildings are designed to swing in the direction of EXIT (or outward) and require a different set of techniques than forcing an inward opening door.
You guys know about using "S" hooks to keep doors open right?
south eastern Wisconsin? im from south central Wisconsin, lol, love your vids, they help a lot
Good Stuff Dale.
another great video :D
just a thought, coming in at an angle with the gas cut off saw on the four outside hinges, then pry out.
IMO That's a great way to go, except it is still true the irons won't run out of gas, drown out, or fail to start in a smoke filled enviornment... not to mention they're lighter!
What would the time difference be between sheering of the hinges to cutting them of with a gas saw?
Cordless reciprocating saw will also cut the hinge off.
What is the reasoning behind starting with the top hinge? You're reasoning is sound, just wondering about the reason regarding the other opinion.
The guys that promote starting with the top hinge say it allows smoke and heat to escape out the top of the door while you're working as the door can start to drop out of the frame as you work your way down the jamb - I'm not a fan as it can create an added flow path before you're ready to advance, not to mention it can compromise your position before you even gain entry.
If there is ever is a bank fire. Because of this video I'm prepared
Awesome video!!!! Thank You!!
Thanks for the video................................................... & Thumbs Up :D
Thank you
good video guys!
Is this an old TAPCO building. I ask cause the "employee entrance only" sign says tapco and looks like their logo in front of it.
Yes it was
Why not just attack the hinge pins? This looks like way more fun though.
What about a battery powered angle grinder with a zip-cup disk? I could see it taking 15 seconds per hinge... much less destructive as well but I don't think that matters lol
15second per hinge you really think that's All it would take?
What would be best a gas saw or a angle grinder with the disc you mentioned
your bunker gears looks similar to Singapores SCDF firefighters :)
Great job
Nice video! Why not just use a cordless angle grider with a cut off disc? Maybe even cut a access hole in the door?
Well Done!!
In the Army we would use a LAW (light antitank weapon) to open a door that tough.
Battery angle grinder ?
Thank you it help not Vol-Company have K-12 Another great idea will put it to used
Come again?
very good
Nice!!
how about a portable air chisel
como se puede poner subtitulos en español???
thanks better vor my next robering
Hi DALE
Nice
Well, this is something you won't see on german doors. No hinges anywhere outside of a building.
HERE’S JOHNNY!
"Dem doors that was close, I rip da doors off and I took the hinges off and when I took the hinges off, I put the hinges in the fuckboy's hands. Yeh. You know I... I took the whole door off and the hinges and put them in the fuckboy's hands.
You can put the hinges on the hands too."
-DJ khaled
I wish we could trust police like we do firefighters.
Aaron Cole big facts
Sometimes they take your shit in a house fire when its going to burn down
Great video, hopefully no felons are watching. Would be great to create private groups or put it behind a .gov login.
I'm more worried about my government watching!
BrokenRRT truuu
I'm watching and learning hehe
This looks like so much fun. Smashing shit with an axe. Hell yeah.
Next video forcible entry with circ saw? Lol
I actually searched for this 😎😎😎
thx im safe new
now I want to break a door
I'm watching this because I locked my self out of my house. jk.
Just grab the k12. It solves almost any entry issue hahaha
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Good door to stop cops🤣🤣🤣
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