Great video......Showing both inside and outside views is key for a complete understanding of what exactly is happening and a better understanding of the entire force. Great job gentlemen!
Firefighters and EMT's are heroes! The fact that you put your live in danger to save lives and do everything you can to save a stranger is amazing. God bless you all!
Excellent training video. I've spent most of my career on an engine. You don't realize just how much of an art forcible entry is until you watch and learn things like this. Thanks for sharing, and stay safe.
Doing a plunge cut down the middle is rarely effective on these types of drop bars. Many drops bars are mounted so they go behind the frame on both sides of the door. Commercial door frames are usually 6" wide, and a 14" rotary saw only has a cutting depth of 5". If you plunge the saw it won't even begin to cut the actual drop bar. Its easier to attack what we can see, which is the carriage bolts.
Most firefighters are burley enough that when face with a conventional suburban front door they can probably just cool-aid man their way in. This is for much tougher industrial doors.
@@MaxwellAerialPhotography as a security pro, houses are a joke, really.. places like this with no windows are much tougher, you are correct. i now want to see a fireman jump through a door, very very much, though.
I love the content and "spirit" of your videos. Humility and knowledge rolled into one. Keep doing what you're doing. We all need this stuff. Stay safe.
I’m a fire alarm technician and I have so much respect for the Fire Dept. If there’s no Knox box key or entry, then they have to rip the door down. I tell all my customers that they should keep the room to the FACP unlocked so the FD doesn’t tear it down. The FD doesn’t mind whatsoever if they have to demo a door or wall. I love it. They sacrifice so much and get very little recognition.
It's a very good demo. However in 17 years of service with departments that run both Truck and Rescue Squad we've always used the saw and cut a triangle in the door and then reach in and lift the bar out of place. Then the none spent crew can force the door conventionally. We've also cut the triangle in the door then cut vertical top to bottom so the door is in halves with the saw on a heavy secured door. Two bars and Three deadbolts. Good saw inside in less then 60 seconds. Just working smarter not harder.
Great training, I had also seen a training video where the same door was used in a Forcible Entry video where they plung cut the door and used a T-Square thru the plunge cut and activated the crash bar. I think that method could also be used in this situation and minimize the work/damage to door.
The purpose of this video is to show people how firefighters train to open a locked door with a drop bar. Sure there are other things they could do but this is a fairly basic technique. This video isn't meant to show criminals how to break into a house. If they didn't do this training and found themselves at the backside of a building with an axe and a crowbar they would still know how to take the door down without wasting the time to walk back to the truck to find a saw that would have to plugged into an electrical conduit or filled with a gasoline and oil combination.
Wow...Great Work! I have a much better appreciation for the physical training and subsequent excellent shape these firefighters are in...I guess it's not only for the calendar! LOL
Great video guys. Interesting, because you only used basic tools, not powered equipment, which probably would have made entry faster. But you may not have power on hand in all situations I guess. Moreover, it helped highlight security door faults. Oh, and pretty sure LiliLee meant perpetrate, but in any case crims are not going to gain entry using these methods, they will just bust down an easy door, so lock up well.
You should see carpenters! They can actually Build things. You take your demo saw and cut any latches or dead bolts or the hinges or cut a square hole in the lower part of the door for water access onto burning material. If there isn't any, you don't need to get in. If there might be victims inside, cut the hole bigger. It's going to be faster than this.
Lila lee are you a fire fighter? I am guessing not because if you were you would know why firefighters make these videos. To help other fire fighters learn the correct way to do it. I used UA-cam to learn tactics for fire fighting before I had all of my training. So to answer your question yes fire fighters do know how to do this, but a new trainee may not. So don't hate on something you don't understand yourself.
Dave, I have not had luck with shearing 3/8 carriage bolt heads off. I have tried dozens of times and not even come close. I have been able to shear 1/4 inch carriage bolts, but very few drop bars are mounted with such a small bolt.
@@robertwilliams5015 yeah that would be a lot easier, but it's good to know how to do it with the way they show, since sometimes that could be the only option
@@joemilton7552 I get that sentiment but honestly I can't imagine that a halligan and an axe would ever be an only option for any municipal fire department. Personally (and I know my opinion isn't popular) but I think a halligan is a rather antiquated tool. Even with the best training and the most proficient firefighter I just don't think you get enough bang for the buck, at least not in an emergency.
@@robertwilliams5015 There are many small departments all over the world that don't necessarily have power equipment, should they also not carry a Halligan? What would be a better bang for the buck for a small department with no funding? What would you suggest when the saw fails to start, or when the grinding disk on your only saw bucks, hits the door frame, and breaks apart while the fire rages inside? Not saying this method should be your first option, but I would definitely want it as an option.
For whatever reason, i feel that first i'd check if i can't simply walk through the wall with NA style of buildings. Here in EU, doors can take a lot more clogging to get open. That is not to detract from the efficient work presented here, quick and easy.
_after you've tried the initial locking mechanism then you could slip something between the door jamb and the door to simply pull the bar up over its seat to gain quicker entry. You don't need a sport picker to tell you time=lives_
I'm actually watching this from a security perspective. I realize that this is at odds with your goal as Firemen that need to enter a building... but for the sake of security how much would a heavier gauge steel strip (on the outside of the door) reinforcing the area where the drop bar carriage bolts are *plus* a few pairs of extra carriage bolts securing this plate impede your efforts? At a glance it wouldn't be obvious which carriage bolts actually hold the drop bar supports, and they would also hold the reinforcement in place. Also it would be much more difficult to pierce the door with the halligan tool.. I'd be interested in your thoughts!
On one hand, amazing that firefighters can get that, on the other hand, terrifying that they need to take that long, but that goes to show the price of safety vs intruders vs safety from internal elements and the balance between one and the other, in some unfortunate cases including ill advised police forces and destruction of property (and let's not kid ourselves, there will be no police officer patrolling one such door until it gets repaired after they bust it warrant or not, and greater luck getting them to pay for the repairs). BTW, amazing work and demonstration on how emergency crews can get stuff done.
Well this is why “Knox boxes” are required by most city fire codes to be mounted on the front of the building so firemen can gain access to the whole structure instead of breaking doors.
so what about on a door like mine? i have a solid metal fire door. i have two drop bars also steel that drop into place between center and top and between center and bottom. BUT the mounts to hold it are welded on the inside. so from the outside you cant tell where it is. and the drop bars drop in place and then have giant pins that go at the outside of the bars, theres eyelets. as well as eyelets mounted the the wall. then theres two more secure points where just the big bolts drop in securing door to inside wall. and on the outside theres a 2 foot plate so you cant pry anywhere near the knob/deadbolt areas. (keep in mind i know with 100% confidence, if the fire department needs to get in, they will. im just curious about how..? btw what might seem as overkill. its a machine shop with very expensive equipment tools and electronics. some cutting bits alone are multiple thousands. and we have had a lot of break-ins in our complex. they hit our door trying when we first moved in. it was the hollow metal door, with just the two bolt things on the inside and plate covering bolt area. the plate was slightly pulled out. and top and bottom of door was pryed about an inch. now these guys would not have mad any more progress that time. but scared me enough to take major precautions. our roll up door also has anti ramraid bars and a few other secured points just in case. hell even if they started. id get the notification. and be there as they are breaching with police. slowing someone down enough is sometimes all it takes
Simple but time consuming. we'll start on the wall next to the door. the first team keep working on the door. second will either cut their way if its wood/ sheet metal, or break our way in with hammers. only have seen it done once though. too about 4 min to get through a double brick wall
you could also cut out a triangle under the bolts with the forcible entry saw to stick your arm in and push the bar up. Then easily force the outward door conventionally with the adz. I'd be curious to see what the time difference would be.
Wouldn’t you want the door at your back if it’s outward swinging , just Incase there would be a back draft so you get thrown forwards. Also your axe man would be safer behind you after he’s done hammering your ads side in. Just thinking ventilation wise , you don’t really know what’s in the other side of the door, but that’s what your 360 is for.
To show the different rankings, like FF and engineer and captain wear the same helmet but chief usually wears a white helmet the only way to know the different from a FF , Engineer or a captain is by the pins of their uniform or the markings on their helmet
Yeah, it varies from dept to dept. Ours is black for juniors, yellow FFs, red for officers and white for asst chief and chief. Go one district over in any direction and it's different haha
Yea but what if I have like 6 of those bars on my metal doors? I have plenty of time of escape or get rid of "Stuff" and I have the noise to help wake me up like a private alarm.
Sería un caso específico, en mi país prácticamente todas las puertas se abren hacía adentro. Aunque supongo que con fuerza bruta no existe puerta inviolable.
Sam Eutsler you very rarely want to completely destroy a door, especially if the building is on fire. If you take the whole door off, it removes your ability to control your ventilation
For learning sake, what would the next step have been if the door wasn’t able to be forced when it did? Do the same technique on the other carriage bolts? Also, what are your feelings on shaving off the bolt heads with a K12?
Agreed, I've always liked the saying, "send a firefighter to Hell and he'll take the gate off the hinges."
Who the fuck says that and with what context
@@datura9441 salty.
@Balkan Kneecap thief 38.. 😏🤘🏻
@Balkan Kneecap thief totally playing dude. I was 25, and yes. I realize how douchie it is now too haha.
@@fire1937 I don’t see anything douchie about your comment 7 yrs ago.
It's not often you get straight forward good video footage put together like this. Thanks for sharing!
Just in time
Thanks for video. I'll firefighter from Russia. And it was very interesting how the U.S. Counterparts. Well done guys))).
Дмитрий Прокин So Russia is actually spying the US 😀
what number do you call in Russia for fire emergencies?
wow dude you are way to mad about this its a joke get over it
well you did kinda just use a stereotypcal term for Americans calling them dumbasses...
lil bit hypocrytical
Great video......Showing both inside and outside views is key for a complete understanding of what exactly is happening and a better understanding of the entire force. Great job gentlemen!
Firefighters and EMT's are heroes! The fact that you put your live in danger to save lives and do everything you can to save a stranger is amazing. God bless you all!
Excellent training video. I've spent most of my career on an engine. You don't realize just how much of an art forcible entry is until you watch and learn things like this. Thanks for sharing, and stay safe.
I really like the communication technique between each other.
Basic Firefighter I stuff, never gets old! Stay safe guys!!
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Highly informative. The inner perspective really helped with the explanation behind the thought process.
Doing a plunge cut down the middle is rarely effective on these types of drop bars. Many drops bars are mounted so they go behind the frame on both sides of the door. Commercial door frames are usually 6" wide, and a 14" rotary saw only has a cutting depth of 5". If you plunge the saw it won't even begin to cut the actual drop bar. Its easier to attack what we can see, which is the carriage bolts.
Plunge cut it then stick a carpenter s square in the cut and push the drop bar up and out or slide the square down and pull on panic bar.
So basically if you are a firefighter you become a professional at breaking into houses
Lightly Abused not quietly though
anyone can break in, its getting in fast thats rough. these guys go great though
Most firefighters are burley enough that when face with a conventional suburban front door they can probably just cool-aid man their way in. This is for much tougher industrial doors.
@@MaxwellAerialPhotography as a security pro, houses are a joke, really.. places like this with no windows are much tougher, you are correct. i now want to see a fireman jump through a door, very very much, though.
@@MaxwellAerialPhotography One of the better mental images, made from a YT vid comment in a while!
I love the content and "spirit" of your videos. Humility and knowledge rolled into one. Keep doing what you're doing. We all need this stuff. Stay safe.
I found this video to be very informative and helpful. Why all the mean comments?
i like how you don't shy away from the actual effort it takes to do it.
Now these gents seem like they've done this dance before...excellent demo...excellent comms….verrrrrrry well done technique AND vid demo. Awesome.
I’m a fire alarm technician and I have so much respect for the Fire Dept.
If there’s no Knox box key or entry, then they have to rip the door down.
I tell all my customers that they should keep the room to the FACP unlocked so the FD doesn’t tear it down.
The FD doesn’t mind whatsoever if they have to demo a door or wall. I love it. They sacrifice so much and get very little recognition.
Great video, we have the hoolie tool but have never been shown this way of using it, i will certainly pass this on to my UK fire fighting team
very good video. the communication between the two is simple, clear and affective
It's a very good demo. However in 17 years of service with departments that run both Truck and Rescue Squad we've always used the saw and cut a triangle in the door and then reach in and lift the bar out of place. Then the none spent crew can force the door conventionally. We've also cut the triangle in the door then cut vertical top to bottom so the door is in halves with the saw on a heavy secured door. Two bars and Three deadbolts. Good saw inside in less then 60 seconds. Just working smarter not harder.
Gentlemen, great video with excellent explanation. Made sure to pass this along to my guys. Way to represent Truck 8
Great class! Hardwork, coordination, teamwork, fitness, and knowledge of the door itself was displayed in this awesome video.
Awesome video, never doubt the irons capabilities.
Stay safe out there brothers
With this being out swing door couldn't you work on taking out hinge pins and going at it from that angle?
@@pokeoak345 not with a drop bar, no.
Thank you for presenting this, great study of how you guy's get the job done so quickly, stay safe!
Always have respect for the Fire Brigade. To all firefighters out there reading this, keep up the great work 👍
Cool! Now I know how to break into commercial buildings with a two man crew in less than 90 seconds. Thanks Mr. Fireman!! 👍
Strong work brothers great visualization from the inside too!
Great training, I had also seen a training video where the same door was used in a Forcible Entry video where they plung cut the door and used a T-Square thru the plunge cut and activated the crash bar. I think that method could also be used in this situation and minimize the work/damage to door.
That was very well done. I found this video a great refresher.
As a home intruder this definitely helps! Thank you guys!
That's a problem
lmao
If only we'd had a couple folks like this in Uvalde.
Great Training Video !! Put together perfectly !!!
The purpose of this video is to show people how firefighters train to open a locked door with a drop bar. Sure there are other things they could do but this is a fairly basic technique. This video isn't meant to show criminals how to break into a house. If they didn't do this training and found themselves at the backside of a building with an axe and a crowbar they would still know how to take the door down without wasting the time to walk back to the truck to find a saw that would have to plugged into an electrical conduit or filled with a gasoline and oil combination.
Wow...Great Work! I have a much better appreciation for the physical training and subsequent excellent shape these firefighters are in...I guess it's not only for the calendar! LOL
Fantastic video. Thank you for your work.
Very well done, great teamwork.
Those belts are great! I bet they give good back support too kinda like a work out belt!
A great technique for FE with a drop bar.
Great video. Keep em coming. Be safe
Thanks for the feedback... good stuff.
Best one yet.. Thank you brothers
I like that the camera person is also in full firefighter gear.
Great video guys.
Interesting, because you only used basic tools, not powered equipment, which probably would have made entry faster. But you may not have power on hand in all situations I guess.
Moreover, it helped highlight security door faults.
Oh, and pretty sure LiliLee meant perpetrate, but in any case crims are not going to gain entry using these methods, they will just bust down an easy door, so lock up well.
Great video!
Firefighters are so badass.
You should see carpenters! They can actually Build things. You take your demo saw and cut any latches or dead bolts or the hinges or cut a square hole in the lower part of the door for water access onto burning material. If there isn't any, you don't need to get in. If there might be victims inside, cut the hole bigger. It's going to be faster than this.
JB91710 lots of firefighters can build things too
Lila lee are you a fire fighter? I am guessing not because if you were you would know why firefighters make these videos. To help other fire fighters learn the correct way to do it. I used UA-cam to learn tactics for fire fighting before I had all of my training. So to answer your question yes fire fighters do know how to do this, but a new trainee may not. So don't hate on something you don't understand yourself.
Dave, I have not had luck with shearing 3/8 carriage bolt heads off. I have tried dozens of times and not even come close. I have been able to shear 1/4 inch carriage bolts, but very few drop bars are mounted with such a small bolt.
Ill keep this in mind for the apocalypse.
That's a lottttttttt of energy being exerted, especially considering that the real work may be on the other side of the door.
what do you suggest?
@@joemilton7552
A hydraulic tool, a gas or electric powered tool.
@@robertwilliams5015 yeah that would be a lot easier, but it's good to know how to do it with the way they show, since sometimes that could be the only option
@@joemilton7552
I get that sentiment but honestly I can't imagine that a halligan and an axe would ever be an only option for any municipal fire department.
Personally (and I know my opinion isn't popular) but I think a halligan is a rather antiquated tool. Even with the best training and the most proficient firefighter I just don't think you get enough bang for the buck, at least not in an emergency.
@@robertwilliams5015 There are many small departments all over the world that don't necessarily have power equipment, should they also not carry a Halligan? What would be a better bang for the buck for a small department with no funding? What would you suggest when the saw fails to start, or when the grinding disk on your only saw bucks, hits the door frame, and breaks apart while the fire rages inside? Not saying this method should be your first option, but I would definitely want it as an option.
You guys continue to be awesome...
Impressive. Good teamwork.
well placed strikes
Im an EMT and almost done with Medic school. I really enjoy EMS and wasnt interested in Fire but this might have changed my mind.
For whatever reason, i feel that first i'd check if i can't simply walk through the wall with NA style of buildings. Here in EU, doors can take a lot more clogging to get open.
That is not to detract from the efficient work presented here, quick and easy.
_after you've tried the initial locking mechanism then you could slip something between the door jamb and the door to simply pull the bar up over its seat to gain quicker entry. You don't need a sport picker to tell you time=lives_
Great video guys, thanks for sharing
I'm actually watching this from a security perspective.
I realize that this is at odds with your goal as Firemen that need to enter a building... but for the sake of security how much would a heavier gauge steel strip (on the outside of the door) reinforcing the area where the drop bar carriage bolts are *plus* a few pairs of extra carriage bolts securing this plate impede your efforts? At a glance it wouldn't be obvious which carriage bolts actually hold the drop bar supports, and they would also hold the reinforcement in place. Also it would be much more difficult to pierce the door with the halligan tool.. I'd be interested in your thoughts!
On one hand, amazing that firefighters can get that, on the other hand, terrifying that they need to take that long, but that goes to show the price of safety vs intruders vs safety from internal elements and the balance between one and the other, in some unfortunate cases including ill advised police forces and destruction of property (and let's not kid ourselves, there will be no police officer patrolling one such door until it gets repaired after they bust it warrant or not, and greater luck getting them to pay for the repairs).
BTW, amazing work and demonstration on how emergency crews can get stuff done.
Well this is why “Knox boxes” are required by most city fire codes to be mounted on the front of the building so firemen can gain access to the whole structure instead of breaking doors.
Adz to shear the bolt heads. Often allow the bolts to drop away from the weight of the drop bar and angle iron/steel...
Great vid. Keep up the good work!
so what about on a door like mine? i have a solid metal fire door. i have two drop bars also steel that drop into place between center and top and between center and bottom. BUT the mounts to hold it are welded on the inside. so from the outside you cant tell where it is. and the drop bars drop in place and then have giant pins that go at the outside of the bars, theres eyelets. as well as eyelets mounted the the wall. then theres two more secure points where just the big bolts drop in securing door to inside wall. and on the outside theres a 2 foot plate so you cant pry anywhere near the knob/deadbolt areas. (keep in mind i know with 100% confidence, if the fire department needs to get in, they will. im just curious about how..? btw what might seem as overkill. its a machine shop with very expensive equipment tools and electronics. some cutting bits alone are multiple thousands. and we have had a lot of break-ins in our complex. they hit our door trying when we first moved in. it was the hollow metal door, with just the two bolt things on the inside and plate covering bolt area. the plate was slightly pulled out. and top and bottom of door was pryed about an inch. now these guys would not have mad any more progress that time. but scared me enough to take major precautions. our roll up door also has anti ramraid bars and a few other secured points just in case. hell even if they started. id get the notification. and be there as they are breaching with police. slowing someone down enough is sometimes all it takes
Simple but time consuming. we'll start on the wall next to the door. the first team keep working on the door. second will either cut their way if its wood/ sheet metal, or break our way in with hammers. only have seen it done once though. too about 4 min to get through a double brick wall
@Semper Fi in a concert wall you'd have a good point
What is the difference between cops and firefighters?
They both wanted to be firefighters
Fenixx117 ayy lmao
Dumb
well two of you can't take a joke lol.
One Carries a Glock one carries a axe
The question would be: What do they have in common?
Fail joke is fale.
you could also cut out a triangle under the bolts with the forcible entry saw to stick your arm in and push the bar up. Then easily force the outward door conventionally with the adz. I'd be curious to see what the time difference would be.
Wouldn’t you want the door at your back if it’s outward swinging , just Incase there would be a back draft so you get thrown forwards. Also your axe man would be safer behind you after he’s done hammering your ads side in. Just thinking ventilation wise , you don’t really know what’s in the other side of the door, but that’s what your 360 is for.
Mad respect.
Man you have to love truckies 😃 those guys are beasts
I want more of this type of training
wow I've never seen firefighters in action pretty cool
Smooth leathers
Very informative. Thank you
Love it! Thanks for sharing!
Impressive! Great truck company.
Isle x
that guy is fucking ripped just tearing shit up
To show the different rankings, like FF and engineer and captain wear the same helmet but chief usually wears a white helmet the only way to know the different from a FF , Engineer or a captain is by the pins of their uniform or the markings on their helmet
Yeah, it varies from dept to dept. Ours is black for juniors, yellow FFs, red for officers and white for asst chief and chief. Go one district over in any direction and it's different haha
Andrew Rodgers Ours is similar to John's. Except its Black for Engineer, the rest is the same.
1st team was DAMN GOOD!....thanks
Yea but what if I have like 6 of those bars on my metal doors? I have plenty of time of escape or get rid of "Stuff" and I have the noise to help wake me up like a private alarm.
Sería un caso específico, en mi país prácticamente todas las puertas se abren hacía adentro.
Aunque supongo que con fuerza bruta no existe puerta inviolable.
Very good training
Cool vid guys, that was aggressive.
what if you just cut the hinges?
You still will have the drop bar
If you completely destroy the door, it will then be your responsibility to replace it.
@@sminthian yeah, but only after the builung burns down or whatever was the emergency.
sminthian so since they are spraying water on the building do they repair water damage and all that other damage from the fire and structural damage
Sam Eutsler you very rarely want to completely destroy a door, especially if the building is on fire. If you take the whole door off, it removes your ability to control your ventilation
Great video! Keep it up!
I'm wondering if you could insert a very thin steel bar through the gap which you would use to knock off the drop bar?
You guys are in fact BAD ASS!!
Very cool gentlemen
I wonder what PD would do? Seems like nothing can stop a fire fighter getting thru a door
For learning sake, what would the next step have been if the door wasn’t able to be forced when it did? Do the same technique on the other carriage bolts?
Also, what are your feelings on shaving off the bolt heads with a K12?
You can do this or do a here's Johnny and break in like that
never mind, just saw the video about the hinges, my question has been answered :-)
What if the brackets to the bar are mounted on the door frame or wall rather than the door?
DanDantheFireman brought me here!! 💥
This is fascinating
GREAT VIDEO!!
well that looks like good exercise
Solid work!
I noticed the lack of glasses right away also. Even with glasses I have had eye injuries, but lessened because of them.
Great video
Thanks for the refresher!!!!
Very interesting video. Thanks for the upload👍 I worry about the amount of protection that US fire service helmets provide tho 🤔
Third Rate content They also wear a mask and flame proof hood. Hope this helped!
That’s pretty impressive, I just hope no bad guys were watching that.
I'm thinking a handy dandy slipover cheater bar to double the length of that handle would be handy and dandy.
Yeah! Take that, door!
Has there ever been a time you drove a hook through the door and hitched it to a truck? That'd make quick work out of any door.