I like how Thaiger has a topic to separate Thai-Chinese but not Thai-Khmer, Thai-Laos, Thai-Malay? or you can separate American-English or American-Indian next.
I wonder if you love your culture that much. You love your language that much. And your ancestors Why did you flee your motherland and live in another country? It's such a funny idea. Because when you move to any country You should love that country, right? And just the original language of the ancestors Will it make life better? The new generation of Chinese people in Thailand therefore do not need to learn Chinese.
it is a madness in the purest form for Chinese in Thailand to talk only in Chinese for long so long they need to contract with Thailanders from the Lord of Life, Royal blood, aristocrats, bureaucrats, top brasses, commissioned officers, non commission officers, common men to beggars. Furthermore, many of them have become members of Thai bureaucrats and armed forces .
Forbidden for Chinese Protestants, Catholics and Protestants, Christians and Chinese Buddhist monasteries are prohibited from installing communication devices in the bodies of people, people, doctors, teachers, students, students in Asia, China, Japan
Not only Chinese but also American European Indian Vietnamese or what ever original. When come to stay in Thailand. We are Thai people and proud to be Thai. Thailand is a big family for Thai people. We never separate but we proud to be Thai.
In fact Chinese people often think of themselves as superior to Southeast Asians. But Chinese people who immigrated to Thailand were able to get along with Thai people until they thought they were Thai. Chinese people in China or other countries are therefore very surprised. or being slapped in the face that their great culture has been swallowed up by the culture of a small Southeast Asian country like Thailand.
Yeah man, Chinese people in Malaysia still don't want to speak Malay in their everyday life, they prefer Mandarin over Malay eventhough they have Malaysian citizenship for more than 60 years, even if they speak Malay.. they still have that Mainland China accent, i dunno man, they're super stubborn
I mean as a chinese descent, especially living in indonesia, i do think im superior in many aspects than those natives indos. You would understand if you live here
I dont think Chinese care about chinese in Thai and who swallowed what culture, gimme a break. Reality is Thai government forced the Chinese to integrate by shutting down chinese schools, forcing them to change to thai names etc etc and ofc if you dont you face discrimination. Very similar to what happened with Chinese in Indonesia and many other countries.
My great grandpa was Chinese and moved from Penang to Southern of Thailand and i consider myself as Thai and i’m proud to be Thai and Proud that my Chinese blood never infected by Maoism virus
I’m Thai Chinese but I don’t want to concern with Chinese culture I only love Thai culture and don’t want to speak Chinese I’m proud to be Thai and born in Thailand, Chinese is foreigners for us
Thanks for sharing this very interesting conversation. I am an American of Chinese (fifth generation) and Japanese descent and my children are half European descent. My new granddaughter is almost half Thai (with a bit of Chinese). We have always celebrated the CNY with my kids and will be in Bangkok next month for the New Year and to meet with my son's in-laws. The world is getting smaller!
Malaysia are multi -cultures which co-existing with each other. Thai are blended cultures. We have Thai citizen Chinese root go to Trimurati (Hindu god) shrine and wish for true love on Christian Valentines’s Day.
As 3rd, 4th generation overseas Chinese, we're probably observing (or trying to observe) traditions that were brought over about 100 years ago. But between then and now, China has also undergone significant cultural and political changes. We may lament that we have lost many of our traditions but it's likely those same traditions have also been altered on the mainland. Perhaps what is more important is to keep things relevant, adapt accordingly, and appreciate the past for what it is.
That is how culture works haha, I was born in Norway but it's always fun for me to see how my Norwegian-American relatives have their own takes on our traditions. It's the spirit and connection that counts. It's not so important to me that their christmas ribs has cranberry sauce instead of lingonberry, or that they have german liverwurst instead of norwegian leverpostei on their bread, it's similar and it shows our shared heritage eitherway. I mean look how iconic Italian-American food is, to the point that alot of the world can't think of pizza without pepperoni, even though in Italy itself that isn't really a traditional pizza topping, it's the result of poor italian peasants making a better life for themselves in the US compared to what Italy was at the time. So with the extra money compared to the past they decided to "fancy" up their stereotypical poor italian peasant food. Pepperoni on pizza, or meat balls in spaghetti. If you look at classic very traditional Italian pizza, it's usually just Pizza Marinara something most people today barley recognize as pizza outside of Italy as it is just bread and tomato sauce, no cheese. Or in a good harvest season Pizza Margharita aka adding some (not much) cheese on top.
Great topic, exciting answers. Bounce has a bright feature if you can keep pace with these captivating topics. Thailand is really missing something similarly popular, as for example, GIGGLE, OSSC, PEACH etc. (Korean channels made for English speaking audiences)
Chinese descendant in Thailand are very very proud that they don't speak Chinese. To them it is an achievement. Chinese from Malaysia and Vietnam are vey different, We mostly adore our ancestral culture.
Dont twist the word! they didnt say what you just written, Being honest is one of the good quality of Thai-Chinese that wouldnt be the case of Chinese in Vietnam isnt it?. You just dont believe in your country and still lean on your race, why? You think you better than the local Vietnamese? you aint proud of yourself cause if you do you wont say what you just said. PS through out the history China always attrack Vietnam uncountable times even nowaday still sea border conflict dont you be ashame being in Vietname??? How the local Vietnamese really think of you? In Thailand, Thai people are mostly mixed at some sort such as Mon Laos Khmer Chinese Indian Malay they are all consider Thai with Thai identity and share the same right under the constitution even the Monarch is mixed.
Malaysian society is founded based integration principles. Thailand is a sovereign ancient kingdom where assimilation leads to more advantage as a nation state that had not been colonized by any Imperial powers.
It’s normal for Thai Chinese (or Chinese Thai) not able to speak Chinese (Mandarin) because their ancestors were originally from Teochew (Chaochow). Therefore, Teochew people speak Teochew language, similar to Hokkien (Southern Min) and Taiwanese. Actually, modern Thai language have many words from Teochew language, and you can tell from the “Chinese” words they use in the video, such as red envelopes (紅包，âng-pau）
I call myself a Thai, not a Chinese-Thai. the Chinese in my blood is a mere percentage. My grandpa was a Hakka Chinese. He built his life here in Thailand and married a Half Chinese -Half Thai woman (my Grandma was a 2nd Gen). None of my grandparents teach their children Chinese of any dialects. I tried to learn Mandarin for 3 years in middle school but switched to Japanese in high school instead 😅. None of my relatives bat an eye, because we consider Chinese (or Japanese, Korean etc.) as a 3rd Language. It’s our choice to study. It’s a bonus if you do. My parents don’t celebrate Chinese New Year anymore after my grandparents’ death, so my bro and I don’t as well. However we still love Hakka Chinese Food (It is everywhere here ) and value Education.
@@vonganduc5602 how about chinese descent in korea ? It's mean you all to be korean with the korean name ? Because korean and chinese name are the same ?
So millions of Thai people in the Northern identified themselves as Thai- Chinese or not as they are part of Tai- Kadai family. As we know that mostly Thai are Tai Kadai right except the southern part.
Doesn't matter what color blood we are born with, but now we are Thai people OR all of us born regardless of Chinese descent or European descent. But now we are all Thai people. We have our own alphabet for more than 800 years. Old Chinese people immigrated to Sukhothai and Ayutthaya. Portuguese, Japanese and (some) Burmese people immigrated to Ayutthaya Kingdom more than 400 years ago. And new Chinese people came to Siam during the Rattanakosin period more than 200 years ago. The culture has already assimilated into Thai. Everyone is equally Thai. We are not Chinese Malaysians who are second class citizens. We invite you to be proud of being Chinese. Go ask Taiwanese people if they can speak Chinese. Are they Chinese?
Omg... im so surprise Thai Chinese dont speak Chinese. We Malaysian Chinese speak and write Chinese language very fluently, including English, Malay and many Chinese dialects
@@Ye80s Almost 100% Chinese words in Thailand is Tiew jiew (chaozhou) from guangdong region, not mandarin. Govt banned mandarin during communism spreaded because considered as threat to political stability. modern days generation no longer perceive themselves as chinese but thai.
Your Situation is same with Chinese People in Indonesia, they are Chinese but can't speak Chinese (mandarin) anymore mostly, send love and peace as same south east asia people
Unlike those in Malaysia and Singapore, we people in Thailand and Indonesia have faced the Cold War in frontier. Therefore we had to adopt local cultures and changed family names to local languages (which much influenced by Indian origination). One of our common cultures is "Satay".
I apologize to Malaysians on behalf of Thais if they were offended. There are some youtubers from Thailand. created this trend I saw this video 1-2 years ago, there were no problems between Thailand and Malaysia at all. It is the opinion of some people. Believe me, the people who came to comment recently. They might watch this video. It's not even finished.
I am not sure about the reason for UA-cam recommending this to me. I am Chinese Malaysian. For my Thai friends’ knowledge, all races in Malaysia reserve the rights to their mother tongue (including Chinese) according to our Malaysian Constitution. The race “Chinese” is indicated in our Malaysian identity card and you can never change it (maybe our Government worries that we might forget our Chinese-ness one day LMAO). So for those Thai friends mocking at us for being 2nd class citizens, thank you for your concern and nothing to worry about. We Chinese here still live much better off than most people in Thailand due to our consistent contributions in the economy, education & medicine in Malaysia for the past century. Chinese Malaysians are now becoming 1 of most popular talents who received accolades from China and the West for being able to master multiple languages (not only Malay and English but also Mandarin, Cantonese, Teochew, Hakka and Hokkien). Hence, we are being proud of Malaysia as our mother land and our preserved Chinese heritage. We will say out loud that we are proud Chinese Malaysians to the world!!!!
Chinese people in Malaysia have a better quality of life than most Thai people? Are you confident that you don't have to be compared to rich Thai-Chinese people? Just take Thai people in general. The quality of life of Thai people is not inferior to that of Malaysians at all. Especially with Chinese people in Malaysia who are like second class citizens. I think Thai people have a much better life. All Thai people receive free medical care Education is free and everyone has equal opportunities, regardless of race or religion, because everyone is Thai. There is no lineage division like in Malaysia. Countries where Islam is dominant If life for Chinese people in Malaysia is really good Why are you guys trying to live in Taiwan?
@ Let’s not only look at the GDP per capita of USD12,000 for Malaysia & USD7,000 for Thailand in 2023. You may see the better HDI and etc. of Malaysia than Thailand. By the way, my friends, cousins and I (all Chinese Malaysians) are the graduates of Malaysian public universities & foreign universities (such as Singapore, US, UK and Australia). We were sponsored with the scholarship received from Malaysian Government. I am 1 of middle-high management in 1 of top Malaysian banks and my friends and cousins are mostly doctors, lawyers and engineers in Malaysia. Yes, it’s so pathetic that we Chinese Malaysians can purchase our own landed house & car in Malaysia before 30s (without the funding from our parents) and travel overseas (such as Japan & S. Korea) at least once per year even some of us do not own business. One more, we Chinese Malaysians also do not need to pay to seek quality medical services from the public hospitals in Malaysia. Thanks to our beloved government who really takes good care of the “2nd class citizens” LMAO.
@@KFTan-t6u It is said that among the Chinese immigrants in Southeast Asia, the Chinese Malays are the most pitiful because if your ancestors chose to live in Thailand, you would become a lord and be wealthy. Or if you take a boat a little further, you will reach Singapore, where you will have an excellent quality of life. But if you settle down in Malaysia, you will become a second-class citizen.
But before the Chinese in Malaysia can reach that level, you have to try very hard to be successful and accepted. You have to prove yourself a lot to stay at the top because your rights are not equal to the local Malays. But the Chinese in Thailand don't have to try hard. They can be successful in any form. Whether they are rich or middle-class, we don't have to try that hard to be accepted. Because the Chinese in Thailand don't act any differently from other ethnic Thais. We live together and share the same culture. There is no discrimination, conflict or difference. That's how we can merge into one under a shared culture. When you see Thai culture today, do you know that we have merged many cultures, including Chinese culture? We don't oppose it and we have accepted it together with Thai culture.
Thailand (Buddhism) and Malaysia (Islam) are vastly different mainly due to the religion. In Malaysia, one must be a Muslim and fulfil some other criteria in order to be classified as “Malay” by law (so actually not so easy to be classified as “Malay” as you think). Kindly take note “Malay” (indigenous Malay Muslim) & “Malaysian” (nationality) are 2 different ideas. A Chinese Malaysian who speaks Malay everyday doesn’t automatically make him a “Malay” according to the Malaysian Law. To be a Muslim, you must 100% forgo your existing lifestyle such as alcohol, pork, some private life, rights for food & drinking water during fasting month and so much more (I doubt that Chinese Thais & native Thais would accept all if imposed on you) and your behaviour will be always scrutinised by other Muslims around you (even you don’t know them) and the religion police (yes, there is an agency under the government to ensure the proper behaviour of Muslims). If you are Chinese Malaysian, you are free from the above restrictions. So please don’t simply comment on us without in-depth knowledge on our country. Just like the southern region of Thailand, I don’t think you Buddhist Thais have solved the problems.
Very interesting to learn about Chinese roots and tradition. Probably the same everywhere with the 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation losing their roots to the country of their origin.
Really enjoyed watching this video , i have been in different parts of Thailand for Chinese New Year . Why are there so many firecrakers going off? Happy New Year Natty, Meen & Tee , best of luck !
I can identify with this, I am half German, but my family was German from Slovakia and I am from Canada and I have two other friends who are also similar in German background. As a child I refused to learn German and as a teenager I became interested and learned the language to a conversational level. Of the three of us, I'm the only one who is interested in the heritage. When I meet people from Germany or Austria they are like me... But so are people from Slovakia. It's so confusing. Just ensure you view the other culture as a gift and do explore it when you get the chance. There's more than a billion chinese people so you don't need to be chinese... but there might be good stuff to learn from there if you accept the culture as part of who you are.
Good topic. Because my son love Bangkok so much. That's why I sent him to study a primary school in Bangkok have strong Chinese language learning. It's Anglo Singapore School. He enjoyed it so much. Also make many Thai classmates. In short that Thai people are very nice. Only a problem that he is feeling difficult in Thailand language class.. Kung Hei Fat Choi. David So. Hong Kong
Thai is possibly one of the hardest languages for a foreigner to learn. It has a big problem with "historical spelling" which is when a language is written phoneticly (you write the sounds like english for example) but the spelling has not kept up with how the pronounciation has changed over time. Thai has a very big problem with this. To give an example though of historical spelling look at the words "knight" and "night" in english. The reason there is a K in "knight" even though you don't say it is: when the spelling rules for knight was made the K was pronounced but today it isn't. Same as why the city of "leicester" sounds more like Lester when said out loud, or Towcester sound like Toaster, etc. To put it short, It is very easy to understand why your son is struggeling. It's like me a norwegian currently struggeling in university with my chinese studies, though for diffrent reasons 😅
I'm Indonesian Chinese the 3rd generation And fucking proud of it I proud to be Indonesian n Proud to be Chinese ethnic Wherever you go you must be meet Chinese community there
@@juliantjia8059none thai chinese descendants proud of being chinese. They feel thai. Chinese dialect found in Thailand is tiewjiew, none is mandarin. The only reason thai chinese people learn mandarin these days is for business.
the teochew spoken are very different, i could not understand most teochew from china, only SEA due to the difference in loan words and language contact
Something different between the First-class population and the second-class population. Anyway welcome to Thailand Let's cross the border and come travel more and more, come drink, eat, and dance. Hat Yai's people welcome you all times.
Enjoyed hearing these q&a’s in this relaxed informal setting. It’s interesting how y’all see things. It shows me this really a small world. We are all very similar in many ways.
I think it's related due to the fact that Chinese community has been assimilated to greater Thai society for many years, such as they speak Thai language, use Thai names, so Thai Chinese will see themselves as Thai first, then Chinese as the ethnicity, quite similar like what happened in Indonesia, also most of them have the same religion (Buddhism), so lot of factors contributing to why Thai society is more acceptable to Thai Chinese
also when I went to Bangkok, I don't see much differences between Thai Chinese and native Thai people, according to a research, lot of Thai Chinese even also see themselves solely as Thai.. in Indonesia, Indonesian Chinese people are also integrated well overall, they are patriotic to the country, they speak Indonesian and use Indonesian sounding names, and most of Indonesian Chinese cannot speak Chinese, but since they have different religion (mostly Christian and Buddhist) compare to Moslem majority society and also people can distinguish easily to native Indonesians who have darker skins, I have to admit there are still lot of discriminations experienced by Indonesian Chinese, but the situation overall is improving
while in Malaysia, Chinese society retains their identity, culture and language, most of Malaysian Chinese I met can't speak Malay, the national language, and they communicate with English to other races, I think it's due to the fact that the percentage of Chinese who came to Malay lands is larger (around 20%) comparing to Malaysia's neighbor, Indonesia (around 4%), so Malaysian Chinese society has stronger bargaining position since they have strong influence in many aspects of Malaysian society overall, especially in economy
no I don't think it's about religion, I'm a non-Muslim, native Indonesian, almost 90% of Indonesian are Moslem and I can say Indonesian Moslem are mostly tolerant, culturally friendly and kind people towards other beliefs, don't generalize all Moslem as bad people like what Western countries try to picture like what happened on middle east conflicts, it's on other side of the world with different culture, there are more than 200 million Moslem in Indonesia and minority groups like me can live in peace all over my life
It is not unusual for a Thai citizen and living in Thailand to speak Thai without speaking any other languages. Like in US and Uk, if you just only speak English, no one blames on you. That’s unity.
Interesting discussion to hear perspectives from this community. I observed that full thais live for the moment but thai jeen are alot more thrifty and better business acumen.
Dear nice neighbors, don't worry, we're (Thai) happy. We have own Thai official language both written and speaking that every Thai ppl must to use to communicate with others Thais. Apart from this, Thai ppl can feel free to have own living live such as 2nd language, religion, lifestyle etc. In Thailand, there is the same idea that who have Thai nationality are Thai, we are under same treaten. Thanks again for your concern😊 Kob kun ka🙏
Mainland Chinese do not judge us as a 3rd generation and born as Thai-citizen I don't know much about Chinese and we don't care much about that heritage. Please don't be offend we considered as a Thai-chinese because we born , growth , and living here.
not too late to relearn your culture and language . I am a 5th gen SE asia chinese and i know china / chinese history, study chinese language too,know culture too. Ancestors blood is flowing in my heart
@@andia968 In Thailand we have freewill to learn or not learn about China history. I proud about my roots and I know the story why they migrated but my ancestors choose Thailand as their home so I have nothing to do with that. Don't misunderstand I'm proud to be Chinese as the same as I proud to be Thai too.
@@andia968 though Chinese in Thailand can’t speak Chinese but we know some stuff about China history. Ancient Chinese movies are popular in Thailand. I am 41 and I grew up watching Chinese movies.
I’m 75% Chinese blood and 25% Thai. I’m hokkien+Hakka+Thai I can’t speak China because my grandma /grandpa they was born in Thailand and if they have Thai surname and study Thai school , they can be government official.
The majority of influential individuals in ancient Siam were of Chinese descent and controlled and caused suffering among the Siamese people. Since Siam became Thailand, there are still problems of suppression that persist, with many of them being of Thai-Chinese origin. However, nowadays it seems as if this has been forgotten and everything appears fine, without any disputes or troubles. Perhaps there is a renewed motivation for unity and a greater focus on nationalism and forging a new identity.
Thai, this is talking about the native minority of chinese people, not chinese immigrants to Thailand, Ethnic Han Chinese people have lived in Thailand for hundreds of years at this point, and make up 10-14% of the Thai population.
Consider myself? You are Thai. But it is weird that you have to deny your ethnicity or race. Thats like an Indian Thai saying he doesnt consider himself ethnically Indian but ethnically Thai. Sure its your decision and you can consider yourself whatever you want, but it is weird.
@6:41 That's the Station for God of the Earth, it supposed to be built like a shrine, now it built like a grave, you guys should not see IT as ancestors, IT is the graveyard manager.
I totally get how you all don't feel strong towards maintaining your Chinese heritage, as 1. you were born in Thailand and therefore feel more Thai than anything else. 2. There are still many Chinese and their old traditions are not going to be lost. I come from Australia and I do feel that the Native Australian heritage is waning a lot and therefore any Australian with Aboriginal heritage feels a lot stronger bond than you guys with Chinese bloodlines......just my two cents, great show. Cheers.
Not to mention the Chinese have been in Thailand or a long time Tracing a history all the way back to the 1300s though more trace their lineage back to when King Taksin the Great ruled Thailand, in mid 1700s and his Son Rama the first who founded the modern Thai Royal Family. Taksin the great was half Chinese, therefor making the first King of the Modern Thai Royals 25% chinese. So it's not really odd to think that Chinese-Thais would think of themselves as very much Thai. (Also alot of Thai Chinese are very mixed, but I guess that can be a touchy subject when you bring up the case of Australian Aboriginese, but they are mixed by a much more horrific reason I suppose)
My great grand dad on my mom side came from China, he married thai, his kids married thais, and I'm the 4th generation. On my mom side, no one keep the chinese tradition. All practice theravada buddhism. Even my granddad who was half chinese still said that he was thai. So saying that I'm thai-chinese seems a bit of reach because there's nothing left but a bit of dna percentage.
no one is calling you a chinese other than yourself. maybe you should stop pointing out that you are quarter chinese then and instead just say you are Thai ethnically as well.
whatever it is i think you are sponsored by outside agent to create issues to orherwise harmonious Thai society which is very forgeving , easy going and live and let live society
I think thai chinese are more assimilated, compared to other southeast asian chinese. Chinese people in Malaysia, Indonesia, philippines, and Myanmar are quite proud of their chinese heritage. They might not speak the language but they will always say they are chinese instead of malay, filippino, indonesian or burmese.
Makes sense seeing as Thai Chinese is the oldest chinese diaspora in the world, they also moved to Thailand without being brought there by some colonial power like in Malaysia and Indonesia where they were brought as cheap labour for the British in Malaysia, and the Dutch in Indonesia.
True that Thai Chinese are more integrated into Thai community compared to Chinese elsewhere. I have some Thai Chinese friends but overall I treat them as Thai since they are not good in Chinese stuff.
@moldveien1515 they left because south china at the time had less opportunities for work. So yes they had to leave otherwise they wouldn't survive. Especially the chu chou people they're considered a huge minority in Guangdong and seen as country folk from the country side. Alot of them can't even speak standard cantonese.
I dont know about thai chinese but I noticed that chinese people wherever they go they try to isolate themselves from the natives culture of the place they go too , I understand that you want to preserve your own cultural identity but if you dont assimulate yourself in the local culture you will always be veiwed as outsider , and in case of war or anything go bad you will be easy targeted
@@tagorix5543 They adressed this question on the main show, it's due to a direct translation from Thai and in Thai adjectives comes after nouns. They said in proper English it should be Chinese -Thai.
@@tagorix5543 Following established practice.makes it way easier when communicating with people from many different countries/cultures. It makes it really clear which country you grew up in without people having to ask additional questions.
@@jessicaandersson4313 It is important to ad that many Chinese-Thai/Thai-chinese are heavily mixed so many are so Thai that they have abondened calling themselves chinese at all.
Majority of thailand isnt ethnic full thai. Thailand is same as the rest of SEA heavily asian mixed for countless generations already. You simply cant distinguish as those mixes are mostly with other SEA ethnics such as vietnamese, lao khmer and so on. Thai is more of a citizenship and less ethnicity especially since thailand was a long time ago not from thais but khmer and malays were the natives. Thais originated from very south of china (they look similar to SEa ppl too until this day). Ofcourse some of you dont want to know it, xD and this is coming from a Thai btw. These ppl who always claim pureblood BS were always strange xD All of SEA is NOT native majoritywise anymore, all are a pot of southeast asian mixed with other southeast asian and chinese/indian. Pfcourse many are not aware of that as t hais mainly identify as just thai, its logic that over a longer time of generations ,former nonthai roots are forgotten. This is also very visible in Thai dna tests that show that most thais have AT least some other asian ethnicity in them, chinese isnt alwyas included but often there is some % there. Besides also commonly Lao vietnamese burmese khmer and malay.
It surprised me a lot.When we found out and also ancient Thai people had DNA associated with northern Chinese people. (Thai ancient people are half Chinese). The latest information on ancient DNA ... Prof. Dr. Viphu also took a sample of ancient DNA in Pangmapha District, Mae Hong Son Province, 1,600-1,800 years old found that Pangmapha DNA has a 50% genetic ratio from northern China. This information goes into Thaipbs' UA-cam's topic of DNA, ancient people, cave-in.
That DNA is most likely a result of migration during the post dinosaur eras. Possibly Neolithic period. I doubt it has anything to do with Han bloodline as thais are not ethnically han. They're more related to the native Americans(if anything) that crossed the bering strait then the Han bloodline.
The point of the whole actual story is that Chinese immigrants aren't just the new ethnic group of Thailand. Back to the early time of Ayuthya or even Sukhothai, Chinese immigrants were long already here in this country, and also in a greatly significant population. Just in the last century when draught and famine happened in Shantou then the big new wave of Chinese immigrants arrived here. The fact is there's already been the partly descendance of Han Chinese in the Thais, let alone the fact that one of the Thai ancestry (Tai people) are immigrants from China (Dai Chinese). I just don't understand why the western world only cares to perceive The Thais of Chinese descent distinguished from other Thais from other mixtures.
Why should i speak Chinese in the first place when all i know since i was young is only Thai and English? The audacity to think that we entitled to know the language of our long dead ancestor is just...lol We are already happy of what we have here in Thailand, and the last thing we need is influence from...a certain communist country.
Before the modern Chinese nation-state in 1927 ROC and 1949 PRC Old Chinese in Thailand from South China(Teochew, Hokkien, Hainanese, Cantonese) They not speak Mandarin Mandarin is the language of the modern Chinese nation-state. The old Chinese had no sense of nationality. National consciousness is created later. by nationalists from each country So that people who don't know each other and who are different will feel like one nation. Thai-Chinese people have old Chinese ancestors. who speak Teochew Previously couldn't speak Mandarin. Why do you need to speak Mandarin? belonging to the modern Chinese nation-state I don't think Mandarin It is the language of the old Chinese identity. When born Thai, you must speak Thai. If you speak Mandarin as a second language as a foreign language
Almost Chinese people in Thailand came from the south of China and they speak cantonese not mandarin. This is a reason why the ancestors didn't teach the language to their children.
@@bagong0930Exactly right, almost of them are Teochew not Cantonese. I am Teochew from China so feeling very kind to their Teochew accents😂, and many people here have distant relatives in Thailand.
Omg, it is sad to hear your story. I think your family would be a shame of your story. Why wouldn't you want to know about your ancestors history. Why do they migrate to Thailand from the beginning. SAD SAD.😢
when i was in thailand for 9 years i noticed that thai chinese parents doesn't speak chinese lto their children..they speak thai and english,nay..why are you sad?? they are thai citizens right ..@@wichaipongthadaporn2026
it is a madness in the purest form for Chinese in Thailand to talk only in Chinese for long so long they need to contract with Thailanders from the Lord of Life, Royal blood, aristocrats, bureaucrats, top brasses, commissioned officers, non commission officers, common men to beggars. Furthermore, many of them have become members of Thai bureaucrats and armed forces .
Thai people of Chinese descent But if I can't speak Chinese, what part of the problem does it cause? with Malaysians of Chinese descent who is a second class citizen of Malaysia..so proud haha
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I like how Thaiger has a topic to separate Thai-Chinese but not Thai-Khmer, Thai-Laos, Thai-Malay? or you can separate American-English or American-Indian next.
I wonder if you love your culture that much. You love your language that much. And your ancestors Why did you flee your motherland and live in another country? It's such a funny idea. Because when you move to any country You should love that country, right? And just the original language of the ancestors Will it make life better? The new generation of Chinese people in Thailand therefore do not need to learn Chinese.
it is a madness in the purest form for Chinese in Thailand to talk only in Chinese for long so long they need to contract with Thailanders from the Lord of Life, Royal blood, aristocrats, bureaucrats, top brasses, commissioned officers, non commission officers, common men to beggars. Furthermore, many of them have become members of Thai bureaucrats and armed forces .
Forbidden for Chinese Protestants, Catholics and Protestants, Christians and Chinese Buddhist monasteries are prohibited from installing communication devices in the bodies of people, people, doctors, teachers, students, students in Asia, China, Japan
Not only Chinese but also American European Indian Vietnamese or what ever original. When come to stay in Thailand. We are Thai people and proud to be Thai. Thailand is a big family for Thai people. We never separate but we proud to be Thai.
In fact Chinese people often think of themselves as superior to Southeast Asians. But Chinese people who immigrated to Thailand were able to get along with Thai people until they thought they were Thai. Chinese people in China or other countries are therefore very surprised. or being slapped in the face that their great culture has been swallowed up by the culture of a small Southeast Asian country like Thailand.
That's true normally Chinese in China they claimed very Thai idols that has mixed Chinese belong to them.
Yeah man, Chinese people in Malaysia still don't want to speak Malay in their everyday life, they prefer Mandarin over Malay eventhough they have Malaysian citizenship for more than 60 years, even if they speak Malay.. they still have that Mainland China accent, i dunno man, they're super stubborn
I mean as a chinese descent, especially living in indonesia, i do think im superior in many aspects than those natives indos. You would understand if you live here
I dont think Chinese care about chinese in Thai and who swallowed what culture, gimme a break. Reality is Thai government forced the Chinese to integrate by shutting down chinese schools, forcing them to change to thai names etc etc and ofc if you dont you face discrimination. Very similar to what happened with Chinese in Indonesia and many other countries.
My great grandpa was Chinese and moved from Penang to Southern of Thailand and i consider myself as Thai and i’m proud to be Thai and Proud that my Chinese blood never infected by Maoism virus
I’m Thai Chinese but I don’t want to concern with Chinese culture I only love Thai culture and don’t want to speak Chinese I’m proud to be Thai and born in Thailand, Chinese is foreigners for us
เมื่อคุณเกิดที่ประเทศไหนคุณก็คือพลเมืองของประเทศนั้นไม่ว่าจะมีเชื้อสายแบบไหนก็ตาม คนมาเลเซียเชื้อสายจีนก็คือคนมาเลเซียเมื่อคุณไปจีนก็ต้องใช้พาสปอร์ตและคุณคือคนต่างชาติที่นั่น ในขณะที่คุณอยู่แผ่นดินเกิดคุณได้ประโยชน์ต่างๆจากที่นั่นตั้งแต่ประกันสุขภาพ การศึกษาขั้นพื้นฐาน งานที่รองรับแต่ประเทศจีนไม่ได้ให้อะไรกับคุณอีกต่อไปเพราะคุณเป็นเพียงคนต่างชาติของเขาเท่านั้น เรื่องรักษาวัฒนธรรมประเทศจีนยังคงอยู่ไม่ได้สูญหายไปไหนอีกทั้งคนจีนยังมีมากกว่าพันล้านคนเขาสามารถรักษาวัฒนธรรมของเขาได้😊
คุณพอใจอยากจะเป็นคนจีนในประเทศมาเลเซียก็เชิญตามสบายเถอะ แต่ไม่ต้องมาชักชวนให้เราเป็นคนจีนในประเทศไทย หรือประนามว่าทำไมเราจึงไม่อยากเป็นคนจีนในประเทศไทย หรือ เราควรจะเป็นคนจีนในเมืองไทยมากกว่าจึงจะถูกต้องตามความเห็นของคุณ
กลับไปรณรงค์ต่อสู้เพื่อความเป็นคนจีนในประเทศมาเลเซีย (ของคุณหรือเปล่า???)ต่อไปเถอะ
Thanks for sharing this very interesting conversation. I am an American of Chinese (fifth generation) and Japanese descent and my children are half European descent. My new granddaughter is almost half Thai (with a bit of Chinese). We have always celebrated the CNY with my kids and will be in Bangkok next month for the New Year and to meet with my son's in-laws. The world is getting smaller!
Malaysia are multi -cultures which co-existing with each other.
Thai are blended cultures. We have Thai citizen Chinese root go to Trimurati (Hindu god) shrine and wish for true love on Christian Valentines’s Day.
everyone must assimilate in malaysia just like in thailand and indonesia
As 3rd, 4th generation overseas Chinese, we're probably observing (or trying to observe) traditions that were brought over about 100 years ago. But between then and now, China has also undergone significant cultural and political changes. We may lament that we have lost many of our traditions but it's likely those same traditions have also been altered on the mainland. Perhaps what is more important is to keep things relevant, adapt accordingly, and appreciate the past for what it is.
That is how culture works haha, I was born in Norway but it's always fun for me to see how my Norwegian-American relatives have their own takes on our traditions. It's the spirit and connection that counts. It's not so important to me that their christmas ribs has cranberry sauce instead of lingonberry, or that they have german liverwurst instead of norwegian leverpostei on their bread, it's similar and it shows our shared heritage eitherway.
I mean look how iconic Italian-American food is, to the point that alot of the world can't think of pizza without pepperoni, even though in Italy itself that isn't really a traditional pizza topping, it's the result of poor italian peasants making a better life for themselves in the US compared to what Italy was at the time. So with the extra money compared to the past they decided to "fancy" up their stereotypical poor italian peasant food. Pepperoni on pizza, or meat balls in spaghetti. If you look at classic very traditional Italian pizza, it's usually just Pizza Marinara something most people today barley recognize as pizza outside of Italy as it is just bread and tomato sauce, no cheese. Or in a good harvest season Pizza Margharita aka adding some (not much) cheese on top.
Great SHOW Very Interesting and I understood why you all Gave them Answers Thank you Good Job every one
我是泰国华裔，爷爷奶奶是来自广东潮汕的。在红色恐慌的时候，我们的政府取缔了所有的中文语言学校，我爸爸妈妈都不会中文，普通话和方言都不会。所以现在的泰国华裔，只有自己决定想学中文的人会说中文。中文对我们来说就是“外语”，中国是一个”外国“。我们的历史，和马来西亚和新加坡的华人有点不一样。
十分同意。沒有中文學校就沒有中華文化。
对于在泰国的中国人来说，长期只用中文说话是一种最纯粹的疯狂，他们需要与生命之主（皇帝陛下）、皇室血统、贵族、官僚、高级官员、委托的泰国人签订合同 军官、士官、平民、乞丐。 此外，他们中的许多人已成为泰国官僚和武装部队的成员。
Great topic, exciting answers. Bounce has a bright feature if you can keep pace with these captivating topics. Thailand is really missing something similarly popular, as for example, GIGGLE, OSSC, PEACH etc. (Korean channels made for English speaking audiences)
Be proud to be born as a Thai-Chinese person. It is not Chinese people who become second class citizens in some countries.
what country??
Chinese descendant in Thailand are very very proud that they don't speak Chinese. To them it is an achievement. Chinese from Malaysia and Vietnam are vey different, We mostly adore our ancestral culture.
Yes, as a C-Vietnamese I agree with your point, languages and cultural traditions are what we are proud of and worth to reserve.
Dont twist the word! they didnt say what you just written, Being honest is one of the good quality of Thai-Chinese that wouldnt be the case of Chinese in Vietnam isnt it?. You just dont believe in your country and still lean on your race, why? You think you better than the local Vietnamese? you aint proud of yourself cause if you do you wont say what you just said. PS through out the history China always attrack Vietnam uncountable times even nowaday still sea border conflict dont you be ashame being in Vietname??? How the local Vietnamese really think of you? In Thailand, Thai people are mostly mixed at some sort such as Mon Laos Khmer Chinese Indian Malay they are all consider Thai with Thai identity and share the same right under the constitution even the Monarch is mixed.
I can't understand your message completely you disagree. That was my experience I am sorry If I offended you
do you guys speak chinese to each other eventhough you guys are vietnam citizens??@@thatvietguyonline
Malaysian society is founded based integration principles.
Thailand is a sovereign ancient kingdom where assimilation leads to more advantage as a nation state that had not been colonized by any Imperial powers.
Very intersteing!
Good to know such a little bit sensitive question that we should know
Wow, the comments are on fire, by the way, I'm also Thai-Chinese, and my grandparent is from Hainan.
It’s normal for Thai Chinese (or Chinese Thai) not able to speak Chinese (Mandarin) because their ancestors were originally from Teochew (Chaochow). Therefore, Teochew people speak Teochew language, similar to Hokkien (Southern Min) and Taiwanese. Actually, modern Thai language have many words from Teochew language, and you can tell from the “Chinese” words they use in the video, such as red envelopes (紅包，âng-pau）
I call myself a Thai, not a Chinese-Thai. the Chinese in my blood is a mere percentage. My grandpa was a Hakka Chinese. He built his life here in Thailand and married a Half Chinese -Half Thai woman (my Grandma was a 2nd Gen). None of my grandparents teach their children Chinese of any dialects.
I tried to learn Mandarin for 3 years in middle school but switched to Japanese in high school instead 😅. None of my relatives bat an eye, because we consider Chinese (or Japanese, Korean etc.) as a 3rd Language. It’s our choice to study. It’s a bonus if you do.
My parents don’t celebrate Chinese New Year anymore after my grandparents’ death, so my bro and I don’t as well. However we still love Hakka Chinese Food (It is everywhere here ) and value Education.
So Thai Chinese not using Chinese name anymore like Chinese in Malaysia? That is the same like Indonesia
nah im so lucky to be a vietnamese chinese ,we have same culture so my name have same meaning in vietnamese name
@@vonganduc5602 how about chinese descent in korea ? It's mean you all to be korean with the korean name ? Because korean and chinese name are the same ?
@@Aaa-sy1gv so the korean chinese is like the vietnamese chinese ,our name have same meaning with chinese name
Chinese is more than 50% in Thailand, more like 60-70%
Thai-chinese is Thai. they can be Prime minister of Thailand.
So millions of Thai people in the Northern identified themselves as Thai- Chinese or not as they are part of Tai- Kadai family. As we know that mostly Thai are Tai Kadai right except the southern part.
Great topic and enjoyed the different views! Thank you natty! (Next up: Amulets & Sak Yant)
Enjoyed your topic Natty light hearted fun good to watch
Doesn't matter what color blood we are born with, but now we are Thai people OR all of us born regardless of Chinese descent or European descent. But now we are all Thai people. We have our own alphabet for more than 800 years. Old Chinese people immigrated to Sukhothai and Ayutthaya. Portuguese, Japanese and (some) Burmese people immigrated to Ayutthaya Kingdom more than 400 years ago. And new Chinese people came to Siam during the Rattanakosin period more than 200 years ago. The culture has already assimilated into Thai. Everyone is equally Thai. We are not Chinese Malaysians who are second class citizens. We invite you to be proud of being Chinese. Go ask Taiwanese people if they can speak Chinese. Are they Chinese?
Omg... im so surprise Thai Chinese dont speak Chinese. We Malaysian Chinese speak and write Chinese language very fluently, including English, Malay and many Chinese dialects
我是泰国华裔，爷爷奶奶是来自广东潮汕的。在红色恐慌的时候，我们的政府取缔了所有的中文语言学校，我爸爸妈妈都不会中文，普通话和方言都不会。所以现在的泰国华裔，只有自己决定想学中文的人会说中文。中文对我们来说就是“外语”，中国是一个”外国“。我们的历史和马来西亚华人有点不一样。
@@pirapatxie8897 這也難怪，真的錯怪了，感到好可憐哦，原來你們的政府打壓華族造成今時今日。
我們馬來西亞華人，從來沒有把自己當成是中國人。我們的祖國就是馬來西亞，而擁有自己的特殊遺留下來的中華文化習俗和風格。我們馬來西亞華人在政治上的鬥爭取得當地華人的地位，有自己的中文教育系統，所以中文絕對不是問題。可是中文教育的學校資都是由當地華人資助的。也有不少當地的大馬華人從小就到政府學院就讀的就不那麼會寫中文了，但溝通方便還是可以的。基本上他們用英語和馬來語溝通也不成問題。
我也希望你們可以為泰國華人在政壇上地位保護自己的文化，源遠流長。
@@Ye80s Almost 100% Chinese words in Thailand is Tiew jiew (chaozhou) from guangdong region, not mandarin. Govt banned mandarin during communism spreaded because considered as threat to political stability. modern days generation no longer perceive themselves as chinese but thai.
Thai are American influenced n top bad they lost their real culture
@@Ye80sผมก็เชื้อสายจีนรัฐบาลไทยไม่เคยบังคับพวกเราให้เป็นไทยคุณอย่าเพ้อเจ้อ
Great show today. Both of your guests seem very comfortable in front of the camera.
Im thai-Chinese and i like both but since I grew up in Thailand so Im Thai and nothing to feel proud about chinese
Field Marshal Plaek Pibulsongkram He has a nationalist policy. Has fused Thailand-China into one. Even though he himself is Chinese.
He afraid maoist that why
Your Situation is same with Chinese People in Indonesia, they are Chinese but can't speak Chinese (mandarin) anymore mostly, send love and peace as same south east asia people
Same from Vietnam
@@thatvietguyonlineChinese vietnamese still keep their culture heritage
Unlike those in Malaysia and Singapore, we people in Thailand and Indonesia have faced the Cold War in frontier. Therefore we had to adopt local cultures and changed family names to local languages (which much influenced by Indian origination).
One of our common cultures is "Satay".
Im chinese indonesian but i can still speak chinese
@@Rungawayoui but not all as much as chinese in malaysia and singapore, and only dialects like hokkian, hakka, etc, not mandarin
I apologize to Malaysians on behalf of Thais if they were offended. There are some youtubers from Thailand. created this trend I saw this video 1-2 years ago, there were no problems between Thailand and Malaysia at all. It is the opinion of some people. Believe me, the people who came to comment recently. They might watch this video. It's not even finished.
I am not sure about the reason for UA-cam recommending this to me. I am Chinese Malaysian. For my Thai friends’ knowledge, all races in Malaysia reserve the rights to their mother tongue (including Chinese) according to our Malaysian Constitution. The race “Chinese” is indicated in our Malaysian identity card and you can never change it (maybe our Government worries that we might forget our Chinese-ness one day LMAO). So for those Thai friends mocking at us for being 2nd class citizens, thank you for your concern and nothing to worry about. We Chinese here still live much better off than most people in Thailand due to our consistent contributions in the economy, education & medicine in Malaysia for the past century. Chinese Malaysians are now becoming 1 of most popular talents who received accolades from China and the West for being able to master multiple languages (not only Malay and English but also Mandarin, Cantonese, Teochew, Hakka and Hokkien). Hence, we are being proud of Malaysia as our mother land and our preserved Chinese heritage. We will say out loud that we are proud Chinese Malaysians to the world!!!!
Chinese people in Malaysia have a better quality of life than most Thai people? Are you confident that you don't have to be compared to rich Thai-Chinese people? Just take Thai people in general. The quality of life of Thai people is not inferior to that of Malaysians at all. Especially with Chinese people in Malaysia who are like second class citizens. I think Thai people have a much better life. All Thai people receive free medical care Education is free and everyone has equal opportunities, regardless of race or religion, because everyone is Thai. There is no lineage division like in Malaysia. Countries where Islam is dominant If life for Chinese people in Malaysia is really good Why are you guys trying to live in Taiwan?
@ Let’s not only look at the GDP per capita of USD12,000 for Malaysia & USD7,000 for Thailand in 2023. You may see the better HDI and etc. of Malaysia than Thailand. By the way, my friends, cousins and I (all Chinese Malaysians) are the graduates of Malaysian public universities & foreign universities (such as Singapore, US, UK and Australia). We were sponsored with the scholarship received from Malaysian Government. I am 1 of middle-high management in 1 of top Malaysian banks and my friends and cousins are mostly doctors, lawyers and engineers in Malaysia. Yes, it’s so pathetic that we Chinese Malaysians can purchase our own landed house & car in Malaysia before 30s (without the funding from our parents) and travel overseas (such as Japan & S. Korea) at least once per year even some of us do not own business. One more, we Chinese Malaysians also do not need to pay to seek quality medical services from the public hospitals in Malaysia. Thanks to our beloved government who really takes good care of the “2nd class citizens” LMAO.
@@KFTan-t6u It is said that among the Chinese immigrants in Southeast Asia, the Chinese Malays are the most pitiful because if your ancestors chose to live in Thailand, you would become a lord and be wealthy. Or if you take a boat a little further, you will reach Singapore, where you will have an excellent quality of life. But if you settle down in Malaysia, you will become a second-class citizen.
But before the Chinese in Malaysia can reach that level, you have to try very hard to be successful and accepted. You have to prove yourself a lot to stay at the top because your rights are not equal to the local Malays. But the Chinese in Thailand don't have to try hard. They can be successful in any form. Whether they are rich or middle-class, we don't have to try that hard to be accepted. Because the Chinese in Thailand don't act any differently from other ethnic Thais. We live together and share the same culture. There is no discrimination, conflict or difference. That's how we can merge into one under a shared culture. When you see Thai culture today, do you know that we have merged many cultures, including Chinese culture? We don't oppose it and we have accepted it together with Thai culture.
Thailand (Buddhism) and Malaysia (Islam) are vastly different mainly due to the religion. In Malaysia, one must be a Muslim and fulfil some other criteria in order to be classified as “Malay” by law (so actually not so easy to be classified as “Malay” as you think). Kindly take note “Malay” (indigenous Malay Muslim) & “Malaysian” (nationality) are 2 different ideas. A Chinese Malaysian who speaks Malay everyday doesn’t automatically make him a “Malay” according to the Malaysian Law. To be a Muslim, you must 100% forgo your existing lifestyle such as alcohol, pork, some private life, rights for food & drinking water during fasting month and so much more (I doubt that Chinese Thais & native Thais would accept all if imposed on you) and your behaviour will be always scrutinised by other Muslims around you (even you don’t know them) and the religion police (yes, there is an agency under the government to ensure the proper behaviour of Muslims). If you are Chinese Malaysian, you are free from the above restrictions. So please don’t simply comment on us without in-depth knowledge on our country. Just like the southern region of Thailand, I don’t think you Buddhist Thais have solved the problems.
Very interesting to learn about Chinese roots and tradition. Probably the same everywhere with the 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation losing their roots to the country of their origin.
In Malaysia, the Chinese speaking community is going strong, many can speak Mandarin and a dialect ( Cantonese, Hokkien, Hakka....)
@@nsiva8798Because of islam if malaysian ar buddhism it's maybe same as thailand
Natty, be proud to be Chinese, they have good genes
Natty: "My answer is a little bit weird.." LOL. You ARE a little bit weird. That's what makes you awesome :-)
Really enjoyed watching this video , i have been in different parts of Thailand for Chinese New Year . Why are there so many firecrakers going off? Happy New Year Natty, Meen & Tee , best of luck !
ประเทศไทยหรือสยาม เรามีความหลากหลายทางชาติพันธุ์ ตั้งแต่อดีต พวกคุณไม่ต้องแปลกใจที่คนไทยเชื้อสายจีนในไทยไม่พูดจีน เพราะคนมอญ เวียดนาม เขมร อินเดีย บังคลาเทศ ปากีสถาน อาหรับ ยุโรป
จะกลายเป็นคนไทยพูดภาษาตระกูลไท-ไต ท้องถิ่นได้และใช้เป็นภาษาแม่ ภาษาที่2คือภาษาไทยกลาง
I can identify with this, I am half German, but my family was German from Slovakia and I am from Canada and I have two other friends who are also similar in German background. As a child I refused to learn German and as a teenager I became interested and learned the language to a conversational level. Of the three of us, I'm the only one who is interested in the heritage. When I meet people from Germany or Austria they are like me... But so are people from Slovakia. It's so confusing. Just ensure you view the other culture as a gift and do explore it when you get the chance. There's more than a billion chinese people so you don't need to be chinese... but there might be good stuff to learn from there if you accept the culture as part of who you are.
Good topic. Because my son love Bangkok so much. That's why I sent him to study a primary school in Bangkok have strong Chinese language learning. It's Anglo Singapore School. He enjoyed it so much. Also make many Thai classmates. In short that Thai people are very nice. Only a problem that he is feeling difficult in Thailand language class.. Kung Hei Fat Choi. David So. Hong Kong
Thai is possibly one of the hardest languages for a foreigner to learn. It has a big problem with "historical spelling" which is when a language is written phoneticly (you write the sounds like english for example) but the spelling has not kept up with how the pronounciation has changed over time. Thai has a very big problem with this. To give an example though of historical spelling look at the words "knight" and "night" in english. The reason there is a K in "knight" even though you don't say it is: when the spelling rules for knight was made the K was pronounced but today it isn't. Same as why the city of "leicester" sounds more like Lester when said out loud, or Towcester sound like Toaster, etc.
To put it short, It is very easy to understand why your son is struggeling. It's like me a norwegian currently struggeling in university with my chinese studies, though for diffrent reasons 😅
@@moldveien1515 no
Thai language is the easiest to learn for chinese, especially if you are Chinese Hokkien or Teochew..
I'm Indonesian Chinese the 3rd generation
And fucking proud of it
I proud to be Indonesian n Proud to be Chinese ethnic
Wherever you go you must be meet Chinese community there
@Exposing Fake Linguist UA-camrs that's communist Chinese product
@Exposing Fake Linguist UA-camrs haha Jealous person haha
@Exposing Fake Linguist UA-camrs found the ethnic terrorist
@@juliantjia8059none thai chinese descendants proud of being chinese. They feel thai. Chinese dialect found in Thailand is tiewjiew, none is mandarin. The only reason thai chinese people learn mandarin these days is for business.
@@JamieRedknap well but tiewjiew character is 100 percent similar with mandarin character. so hanzi is mother written language for tiewjiew too
"a couple people speak teochew"
Global population: 25,000,000
the teochew spoken are very different, i could not understand most teochew from china, only SEA due to the difference in loan words and language contact
ในอดีต รัฐบาลไทยมีการปราบปรามลัทธิคอมมูนิสต์อย่างน่ากลัว และป่าเถื่อนที่สื่อจะกล้านำเสนอได้ ยิ่งแล้วในอดีตมีลัทธิคอมมูนิสจากจีนมามาก ทางไทย ก็ป่าเถื่อนกับมนุษย์ด้วยกันอย่างมากที่ยากจะบรรยายไได้ ฉันรู้จากพ่อมาว่า ป่าเถื่อนขนาดคนจีนสัญชาติไทยในอดีต ไม่กล้าพูดจีนในที่สาธาระณะได้เลย แต่ทุกวันนี้คือเสรีภาพ และหลอมรวมไทยหมดแล้ว รวมถึงญาติพี่น้องชาวจีนของฉันเช่นกัน
Something different between the First-class population and the second-class population. Anyway welcome to Thailand Let's cross the border and come travel more and more, come drink, eat, and dance. Hat Yai's people welcome you all times.
Enjoyed hearing these q&a’s in this relaxed informal setting. It’s interesting how y’all see things. It shows me this really a small world. We are all very similar in many ways.
Note that in Thai politics, many Thai prime ministers are of Chinese descent, but no one tells you hey you chinese back to you came from nothing !
I think it's related due to the fact that Chinese community has been assimilated to greater Thai society for many years, such as they speak Thai language, use Thai names, so Thai Chinese will see themselves as Thai first, then Chinese as the ethnicity, quite similar like what happened in Indonesia, also most of them have the same religion (Buddhism), so lot of factors contributing to why Thai society is more acceptable to Thai Chinese
also when I went to Bangkok, I don't see much differences between Thai Chinese and native Thai people, according to a research, lot of Thai Chinese even also see themselves solely as Thai.. in Indonesia, Indonesian Chinese people are also integrated well overall, they are patriotic to the country, they speak Indonesian and use Indonesian sounding names, and most of Indonesian Chinese cannot speak Chinese, but since they have different religion (mostly Christian and Buddhist) compare to Moslem majority society and also people can distinguish easily to native Indonesians who have darker skins, I have to admit there are still lot of discriminations experienced by Indonesian Chinese, but the situation overall is improving
while in Malaysia, Chinese society retains their identity, culture and language, most of Malaysian Chinese I met can't speak Malay, the national language, and they communicate with English to other races, I think it's due to the fact that the percentage of Chinese who came to Malay lands is larger (around 20%) comparing to Malaysia's neighbor, Indonesia (around 4%), so Malaysian Chinese society has stronger bargaining position since they have strong influence in many aspects of Malaysian society overall, especially in economy
@@zefanyahutagalung6702 They are lucky islam is not penetrating there.
no I don't think it's about religion, I'm a non-Muslim, native Indonesian, almost 90% of Indonesian are Moslem and I can say Indonesian Moslem are mostly tolerant, culturally friendly and kind people towards other beliefs, don't generalize all Moslem as bad people like what Western countries try to picture like what happened on middle east conflicts, it's on other side of the world with different culture, there are more than 200 million Moslem in Indonesia and minority groups like me can live in peace all over my life
มันแปลกตรงไหนที่จะภูมิใจในประเทศที่ให้ชีวิต ให้ความช่วยเหลือเป็นอู่ข้าวอู่น้ำให้บรรพบุรุษปู่ย่าตายายเรา ถ้าไม่มีประเทศไทยปู่ย่าตายายเราจะเป็นยังไง คงไม่มีเราในวันนี้ บรรพบุรุษเราหนีความลำบาก หนีสงคราม หนีความเดือดร้อนมาพึ่งไทย แล้วจะไม่ให้ภูมิใจในไทย แต่จะให้ไปภูมิใจในประเทศที่หนีมาเนี๊ยะนะ เอาอะไรคิด😂
It is not unusual for a Thai citizen and living in Thailand to speak Thai without speaking any other languages. Like in US and Uk, if you just only speak English, no one blames on you. That’s unity.
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do you feel kind of a connection when you see them mainland Chinese?
Not at all. We don’t like the people in general to be honest. But we got connection with other southeast Asian Chinese that runs deep
@@troyc908 damn🤫
@@troyc908same feeling from Vietnam.
only in malaysia that the chinese are given face@@thatvietguyonline
Interesting discussion to hear perspectives from this community. I observed that full thais live for the moment but thai jeen are alot more thrifty and better business acumen.
Most of the rich Thais are Thai Chinese indeed.
Dear nice neighbors, don't worry, we're (Thai) happy. We have own Thai official language both written and speaking that every Thai ppl must to use to communicate with others Thais. Apart from this, Thai ppl can feel free to have own living live such as 2nd language, religion, lifestyle etc. In Thailand, there is the same idea that who have Thai nationality are Thai, we are under same treaten. Thanks again for your concern😊 Kob kun ka🙏
Great video and well done Natty.🙏
Glad you enjoyed it!
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Unity in thailand..1 heart 1 soul,chinese and chinese in bangkok speaks thai malay and malay in satun speaks thai as well..
Mainland Chinese do not judge us as a 3rd generation and born as Thai-citizen I don't know much about Chinese and we don't care much about that heritage. Please don't be offend we considered as a Thai-chinese because we born , growth , and living here.
not too late to relearn your culture and language . I am a 5th gen SE asia chinese and i know china / chinese history, study chinese language too,know culture too. Ancestors blood is flowing in my heart
@@andia968 In Thailand we have freewill to learn or not learn about China history. I proud about my roots and I know the story why they migrated but my ancestors choose Thailand as their home so I have nothing to do with that. Don't misunderstand I'm proud to be Chinese as the same as I proud to be Thai too.
@@SecondProtagonist i am not a mainlander
@@andia968 though Chinese in Thailand can’t speak Chinese but we know some stuff about China history. Ancient Chinese movies are popular in Thailand. I am 41 and I grew up watching Chinese movies.
I'm from Chiang rai (thailand ).
My family is of Chinese descent but no one speaks Chinese. 😂😂😂😂
Sorry for your ‘s anxierty to our’s Thai-Chinese not speak Mandarine . I never see Malaysian-Chinese be Malaysia prime minister
I’m 75% Chinese blood and 25% Thai.
I’m hokkien+Hakka+Thai
I can’t speak China because my grandma /grandpa they was born in Thailand and if they have Thai surname and study Thai school , they can be government official.
In 1923 , Thai PM introduced measures for close Chinese school in Thailand.
So oversea Chinese in Thai can’t speak Thai.
@4581 in 1923, siam still had no Prime Minister.
Mainly they go for the beautiful ladies...tia cheu nan...sa si yit...bo choan ecc...😇🥰👍
Interesting discussion. Thanks 🙏
The majority of influential individuals in ancient Siam were of Chinese descent and controlled and caused suffering among the Siamese people. Since Siam became Thailand, there are still problems of suppression that persist, with many of them being of Thai-Chinese origin. However, nowadays it seems as if this has been forgotten and everything appears fine, without any disputes or troubles. Perhaps there is a renewed motivation for unity and a greater focus on nationalism and forging a new identity.
I'm Thai-Chinese, I'm want resign from being Chinese 555
be thai buddhist then..eliminate the word chinese
@@AmirSaudTajul I am Thai Chinese atheist
if you are so ashamed, then how about you just stop saying you are thai chinese then? no one will care
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what passports do you have?
Thai, this is talking about the native minority of chinese people, not chinese immigrants to Thailand, Ethnic Han Chinese people have lived in Thailand for hundreds of years at this point, and make up 10-14% of the Thai population.
He he so cute Meen
I'm half Thai half Chinese. I consider myself Thai. I can't read or write Chinese at all. And I don't practice Chinese customs.
Consider myself? You are Thai. But it is weird that you have to deny your ethnicity or race. Thats like an Indian Thai saying he doesnt consider himself ethnically Indian but ethnically Thai. Sure its your decision and you can consider yourself whatever you want, but it is weird.
@6:41 That's the Station for God of the Earth, it supposed to be built like a shrine, now it built like a grave, you guys should not see IT as ancestors, IT is the graveyard manager.
I totally get how you all don't feel strong towards maintaining your Chinese heritage, as 1. you were born in Thailand and therefore feel more Thai than anything else. 2. There are still many Chinese and their old traditions are not going to be lost.
I come from Australia and I do feel that the Native Australian heritage is waning a lot and therefore any Australian with Aboriginal heritage feels a lot stronger bond than you guys with Chinese bloodlines......just my two cents, great show. Cheers.
Not to mention the Chinese have been in Thailand or a long time Tracing a history all the way back to the 1300s though more trace their lineage back to when King Taksin the Great ruled Thailand, in mid 1700s and his Son Rama the first who founded the modern Thai Royal Family. Taksin the great was half Chinese, therefor making the first King of the Modern Thai Royals 25% chinese. So it's not really odd to think that Chinese-Thais would think of themselves as very much Thai. (Also alot of Thai Chinese are very mixed, but I guess that can be a touchy subject when you bring up the case of Australian Aboriginese, but they are mixed by a much more horrific reason I suppose)
Months ago, I saw a comment by a farang in facebook suggesting Thai Chinese act as spies for China. Very insulting comment.
My great grand dad on my mom side came from China, he married thai, his kids married thais, and I'm the 4th generation. On my mom side, no one keep the chinese tradition. All practice theravada buddhism. Even my granddad who was half chinese still said that he was thai. So saying that I'm thai-chinese seems a bit of reach because there's nothing left but a bit of dna percentage.
no one is calling you a chinese other than yourself. maybe you should stop pointing out that you are quarter chinese then and instead just say you are Thai ethnically as well.
whatever it is i think you are sponsored by outside agent to create issues to orherwise harmonious Thai society which is very forgeving , easy going and live and let live society
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Thank you Dodo!
Good morning sister I am from India Nagaland👍👍👍
Naga myanmar friend
@@ctynwbraygalmMyanmar has so many tribes and burma army brutaliy naga people in myanmar(Lahe)
I think thai chinese are more assimilated, compared to other southeast asian chinese. Chinese people in Malaysia, Indonesia, philippines, and Myanmar are quite proud of their chinese heritage. They might not speak the language but they will always say they are chinese instead of malay, filippino, indonesian or burmese.
Makes sense seeing as Thai Chinese is the oldest chinese diaspora in the world, they also moved to Thailand without being brought there by some colonial power like in Malaysia and Indonesia where they were brought as cheap labour for the British in Malaysia, and the Dutch in Indonesia.
True that Thai Chinese are more integrated into Thai community compared to Chinese elsewhere. I have some Thai Chinese friends but overall I treat them as Thai since they are not good in Chinese stuff.
@moldveien1515 they left because south china at the time had less opportunities for work. So yes they had to leave otherwise they wouldn't survive. Especially the chu chou people they're considered a huge minority in Guangdong and seen as country folk from the country side. Alot of them can't even speak standard cantonese.
KUNG HEI FAT CHOI from Hong Kong!
Kiong Hee Huak Chai, Ang Pao Tua Tua Kai
Very interesting subject
6:41 Wrong Picture, that's definitely not a Grave, it's write "The God of Land/Earth"
The girl in the middle is absolutely beautiful
I am proud to be Han person, identifying myself as A Republican Chinese
I think, it will be more benefit to chinese people if this 1 county ( China ) and 1 province ( Taiwan ) can be merged.
I am Indonesian Chinese and im proud to be Chinese because i think chinese got a good genes not about the tradition or culture 😂
Look at that wimpy guy being interviewed and tell me he's got good genes 🤣🤣
@robotics get a life apu
Good genes? More like greedy AF. No wonder western countries can't stand freaking Chinese
Me too, i think chinese is better looking than my country's natives
I dont know about thai chinese but I noticed that chinese people wherever they go they try to isolate themselves from the natives culture of the place they go too , I understand that you want to preserve your own cultural identity but if you dont assimulate yourself in the local culture you will always be veiwed as outsider , and in case of war or anything go bad you will be easy targeted
Not only chinese but muslim too they don't need to contact with native culture and you can see what happend in EU now
That's why Singapore seperated from Malaysia.
@@kiloPhyll Singapore wanted to be part of Malaysia but Malaysia didn’t want them.
Shouldn't it be Chinese-Thai rather than the other way around? Its usually yout ethnicity first and then the country you grew up in..
It is grammar.
@@tagorix5543 They adressed this question on the main show, it's due to a direct translation from Thai and in Thai adjectives comes after nouns. They said in proper English it should be Chinese -Thai.
@@jessicaandersson4313
chinese thai or thai chinese It's not much different. are you chinese?
@@tagorix5543 Following established practice.makes it way easier when communicating with people from many different countries/cultures. It makes it really clear which country you grew up in without people having to ask additional questions.
@@jessicaandersson4313 It is important to ad that many Chinese-Thai/Thai-chinese are heavily mixed so many are so Thai that they have abondened calling themselves chinese at all.
Lovin'it. You're awesome Natti
I dont consider thai-chinese as thai. Sorry. I can easily distinguish between ethnic thai and mixed.
Then thai king is not thai? 😂😂
Majority of thailand isnt ethnic full thai. Thailand is same as the rest of SEA heavily asian mixed for countless generations already. You simply cant distinguish as those mixes are mostly with other SEA ethnics such as vietnamese, lao khmer and so on. Thai is more of a citizenship and less ethnicity especially since thailand was a long time ago not from thais but khmer and malays were the natives. Thais originated from very south of china (they look similar to SEa ppl too until this day). Ofcourse some of you dont want to know it, xD and this is coming from a Thai btw. These ppl who always claim pureblood BS were always strange xD All of SEA is NOT native majoritywise anymore, all are a pot of southeast asian mixed with other southeast asian and chinese/indian. Pfcourse many are not aware of that as t hais mainly identify as just thai, its logic that over a longer time of generations ,former nonthai roots are forgotten. This is also very visible in Thai dna tests that show that most thais have AT least some other asian ethnicity in them, chinese isnt alwyas included but often there is some % there. Besides also commonly Lao vietnamese burmese khmer and malay.
@@xenxx1192this guy is delusional. Thailand is majority wise way too asian mixed.
Thai Chinese consider themselves full Thai
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It surprised me a lot.When we found out and also ancient Thai people had DNA associated with northern Chinese people. (Thai ancient people are half Chinese). The latest information on ancient DNA ... Prof. Dr. Viphu also took a sample of ancient DNA in Pangmapha District, Mae Hong Son Province, 1,600-1,800 years old found that Pangmapha DNA has a 50% genetic ratio from northern China. This information goes into Thaipbs' UA-cam's topic of DNA, ancient people, cave-in.
Can you share the studies?
ua-cam.com/video/iQtBvwiuDF8/v-deo.html
www.thaipbs.or.th/news/content/313972
That DNA is most likely a result of migration during the post dinosaur eras. Possibly Neolithic period. I doubt it has anything to do with Han bloodline as thais are not ethnically han. They're more related to the native Americans(if anything) that crossed the bering strait then the Han bloodline.
Northern chinese?? Harbin?
Lost heritage
No one care
did you let them eat cake? How are you not ashamed?
Who care?
u are Thai.have Chinese face.but not Chinese.thank you❤❤❤
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They are thai not Chinese
We are Thai nor Chinese we don't speak Chinese you can speak Chinese up to you
My blood is 100% Chinese third generation in Thailand. But My name is Thai and I speak Thai and English. I can’t speak Chinese.
The point of the whole actual story is that Chinese immigrants aren't just the new ethnic group of Thailand. Back to the early time of Ayuthya or even Sukhothai, Chinese immigrants were long already here in this country, and also in a greatly significant population. Just in the last century when draught and famine happened in Shantou then the big new wave of Chinese immigrants arrived here. The fact is there's already been the partly descendance of Han Chinese in the Thais, let alone the fact that one of the Thai ancestry (Tai people) are immigrants from China (Dai Chinese). I just don't understand why the western world only cares to perceive The Thais of Chinese descent distinguished from other Thais from other mixtures.
I think most of comment are from asian countries and maybe from the south side who really nervous to saw most of thai-chinese can't speak chinese
Why should i speak Chinese in the first place when all i know since i was young is only Thai and English?
The audacity to think that we entitled to know the language of our long dead ancestor is just...lol
We are already happy of what we have here in Thailand, and the last thing we need is influence from...a certain communist country.
Before the modern Chinese nation-state in 1927 ROC and 1949 PRC
Old Chinese in Thailand from South China(Teochew, Hokkien, Hainanese, Cantonese) They not speak Mandarin
Mandarin is the language of the modern Chinese nation-state.
The old Chinese had no sense of nationality.
National consciousness is created later. by nationalists from each country
So that people who don't know each other and who are different will feel like one nation.
Thai-Chinese people have old Chinese ancestors. who speak Teochew Previously couldn't speak Mandarin.
Why do you need to speak Mandarin? belonging to the modern Chinese nation-state
I don't think Mandarin It is the language of the old Chinese identity.
When born Thai, you must speak Thai.
If you speak Mandarin as a second language as a foreign language
Almost Chinese people in Thailand came from the south of China and they speak cantonese not mandarin. This is a reason why the ancestors didn't teach the language to their children.
most of them is teochew...not cantonese
@@bagong0930Exactly right, almost of them are Teochew not Cantonese. I am Teochew from China so feeling very kind to their Teochew accents😂, and many people here have distant relatives in Thailand.
Omg, it is sad to hear your story. I think your family would be a shame of your story. Why wouldn't you want to know about your ancestors history. Why do they migrate to Thailand from the beginning. SAD SAD.😢
Go cry to your mama
thailand and indonesia does not give the chinese a face to slap
Their parents should take responsible for these young Thai-Chinese believe and habits. Yes, this is very sad.
when i was in thailand for 9 years i noticed that thai chinese parents doesn't speak chinese lto their children..they speak thai and english,nay..why are you sad?? they are thai citizens right ..@@wichaipongthadaporn2026
it is a madness in the purest form for Chinese in Thailand to talk only in Chinese for long so long they need to contract with Thailanders from the Lord of Life, Royal blood, aristocrats, bureaucrats, top brasses, commissioned officers, non commission officers, common men to beggars. Furthermore, many of them have become members of Thai bureaucrats and armed forces .
So sad your parents didn't teach u
Nonsense, from a 2nd class citizen in Malaysia
What a pity
Thai people of Chinese descent But if I can't speak Chinese, what part of the problem does it cause? with Malaysians of Chinese descent who is a second class citizen of Malaysia..so proud haha
pity in malaysia and singapore where chinese dosn't even bother to speak the language of the country