He would’ve bred with his next wife until he got a boy and if that meant pulling a 3 for 1 Maegor style so be it Jaehaerys would NEVER name a daughter heir
@@bellsb1134 Regency because the male is either dead or young and there are no male relatives to take over And Dorne is Dorne , ⅐ is an outlier not a rule
Dorne is literally an independent Kingdom and I don’t get why you thought regency’s was an argument considering it’s not hereditary. What a dumbass comment.
Simply put if Rhaenyra was disinherited there would be no war because no one would support her. Fans seem to forget that lords of Westeros only side with her because they swore oaths not out of loyalty of her as a person 😂
Fans seem to forget that lords of Westeros only side with her because they swore oaths not out of loyalty of her as a person 😂 Especially all the fanfics about her, when she's disinherited. I swear they are crazy, you know how many I've seen where they just are all like "but Rhaenyra is perfect" even after she was outed as an adulteress bastard maker. It's crazy. Literally everyone except Rhaenyra's would rejoice.
@@Aaron_Guest Rhaenyra stans are the worst to be honest they dont live in reality. Its not like bastards are a big thing in a medievil society and its not like threatning people with mutilation will get people to side with her......
Facts. The Black's ALL had to be convinced with marriage pacts made by Jace, or in the Tully's case, a passive threat via dragon rider The Greens needed a marriage pact with the Baratheons, true, but the Lannisters and Hightowers popped up regardless. (Well, Aegon's mom was a Hightower so I guess that's par for the course)
@@Aaron_Guestdelusional. You seem you be decrying her character as if Aegon isn’t an adulterer. Also people wouldn’t “rejoice” they just wouldn’t care.
It’s almost as if rhaenyra was made heir exclusively to keep daemon away from power and when aegon popped up he was heir. no need to name someone, it just goes to him
@@marshalsunrise6582I always wonder what if daemon didn’t marry rhaenrya, would he of been another contender for the throne, could’ve been three teams in the war.
@@oceanfive5no , he would have sided with the winners ( obviously the Greens , Rhaenyra wouldn't have stood a chance without Daemon ) and then destroy them & take the Throne
Aegon II is made the heir? No Civil War occurs 😅 no one would push for Rhaenyra's claim other than maybe Daemon and his handful of homies, and that wouldn't be nearly enough to do literally anything with.
Really, all Viserys had to do to keep Rhaenyra as the undisputed heir is to NOT marry anymore. By remarrying, he presented an image that the King is still looking for a son, for an heir.
U do realise that one of the kings duty is to secure the royal line, a king is expected in westeros to have atleast 2 children and 3 to 4 is acceptable. There is literally a quote that's says the first born is heir and the second one is a spare, if rhanera was to die then there would be no clear successor and another great council would be called, especially since daemon was disinherited and exiled
@@maishaahmed915I think it would’ve worked if she didn’t have bastards, if she had legitimate children then she would’ve had an easier time and so would’ve her kids, especially since she had all sons
Aegon ii was the rightful king and what i mean by that 1 Jaeherys himself got the throne while he was a younger brother and his elder sister Rhaena had twins(also girls) from her husband brother Aegon the uncrowded who was also elder brother of Jaeherys 2 Jaeherys firstborn was a girl her mother insisted that she should be the heir but Jaeherys dismissed her saying she was gonna be the queen alongside her brother(the actual heir) 3 Rhaenys claimant overpassed cause she was a woman even though she was the daughter of Jaeherys eldest son 4 Jaeherys himself wanted Viserys to sit the throne(it was pretty obvious) So it's quite hypocritical for everyone to accept Jaeherys as a true king and Rhaena his eldest sister who wanted also to rule as not a possible candidate when you all keep saying that Aegon ii has take a throne from whom? Rhaenyra was never the true heir even her son Aegon iii never named his daughters as his heirs and after his son died it was Aegon's little brother who ruled not his daughters.
"Rhaenyra was never the true heir" She was officially declared and sworn to, you dingus. The heir is whoever the king declares as his heir. Also, the lords violated their own laws by passing over Rhaenys. The moment Aemon had a kid, male or female, the succession takes a new direction. Even though it's a male preference, the children of the first son take precedence over the second son. It's why Daemon's first wife was set to inherit Runestone before any of her other male relatives. Let's also take Jon Snow for example, and we'll go with the show version and let's pretend Bran is dead. Just Jon, Sansa, and Arya... and Jon is legitimized. So Eddard dies, Jon is who we think is next. But wait. Lyanna is Jon's mother and Rhaegar his father. And they were even married. Sure, he's still Ned's nephew. But now he's down the chain. Winterfell goes to Sansa. And the moment she has a kid, he's even further down the line. If Sansa has a daughter. She's next after Sansa. But if she has a boy afterwards, now he's second and the daughter is third. Jon has a better claim to the Iron Throne that even Daenerys, but he is now behind Sansa and Arya for Winterfell/The North. So yeah, the Great Council, even by historic standards, was sexist and hypocritical.
Tbh it was fair. No clear ruler so he let the Lords decide and set precedence. It was Viserys' fault for either not continuing that precedence set, making laws and decrees to the law of succession itself instead of Rhaenyra just being an exception, or hosting a great council of his own
The issue is that it set the precedent of absolute male priority in succession. Therefore Viserys who only became king due to this precedent says his daughter gets to be Queen, screws up the system, because it is viewed as hypocritical and thus questions the legitimacy of all potential rulers, giving pretty much anyone a claim to the throne if they are legitimate and their daddy said so. This mindset later causes the Blackfyre rebellions...
Nah, he made the choice because it meant avoiding a Civil War Daemon and Corlys were prepping Arnies in case Jaehaerys made the choice alone. Jaehaerys chose the best option.
lets all be honest if Ageon was named heir the realm would be at peace. After all the first son being named heir was expected Rhaenyra was the wrench so to say.And if Viserys had actually been a father to him he would have turned out better too
Otto remains ideologically consistent outside of “whatever suits my houses needs”? Nah the best fact of this whole thing is that the Greens have to name a girl as their heir over a male claimant which runs counter to their entire position.
Then Otto wins period, though he might still try to push for Aegon to be if he still thought he'd be in danger. Because remember Alicent still marries Viserys.
If Aegon was pointed out as the heir from the start none of the lords that made a oath would have followed Rhaenyra. Only the Velaryon and mabye deamon would support her. And imo if one of Aegons let his daughter marry one of rheanyro sons it would already help alot to fix things.
Okay I have two what if suggestions and they're both interesting at least I think so. First one is what if the series and Allison only had daughters. Like same amount of kids but all girls. Second one I got is what if Otto suggested himself as a marriage candidate for Rhaenerya. I know that one is weird but I could see him doing it as a plan B if the series never changes his mind no matter what his blood ends up on the throne.
Tbh, the 2nd one I dunno about 😅 But if Alicent had only daughters, the only argument would've been a matter of Bastard Heirs over trueborn ones. Could still lead to conflict but, Daemon would still be seen as the male heir of House Targaryen, or at least his sons Aegon and Viserys
If they only had daughters then Rhaenyra would be the uncontested queen, specially since she married Daemon which would be seen by many to be the next logical King. The problem would arouse with the children. Was she married with Laenor before? Did she had bastard sons? etc.
I'd see otto offering Gwayne before himself LOL. Which isn't the worst option as it gives her ties to the hightowers and as he isn't in line for oldtown there wouldn't be any disputes of her children's name not being targaryen from the getgo.
What if Old King Jahaerys died before the Great Council, leading to a civil war a generation earlier? What if Laena didn't die in childbirth, leading to Daemon never returning to Westeros and Aemond not getting Vhaegar? What if Aemond WASN'T blinded and Otto married Aegon to one of the Velaryon girls after Laenor """died"""? Edit: *half* blinded.
Old king take initiative on that marriage. It was purely a political one. After marrying Rhaenys to House Velarayon the access of dragons was open to house Velarayon.
From how we see Aegon as King he wouldn't be the way we saw him growing up he would be a different person. I'm interested in seeing what alternatives most likely would come up in the setting, at least in the time we see in the House of the Dragon. I feel they would either try to match him with Baela to try to bring the Velaryons back in or if they feel relying on them for ships has become to troublesome marry Helaena to Dalton Greyjoy.
I wonder what Viserys would do if Rhaenyra just... Tried to leave on Syrax after being disinherited? Or refused to say her vows if forced to a wedding? She'd see herself as having nothing to lose.
Well she doesn't actually have to be present to get married that's just a custom, they can just have the ceremony without her and she would be considered married. Then if she tried to leave with Syrax it all depends, if she leaves with just syrax then they would just let her go and spy on her like what the previous king did, if she left with Syrax and dragon eggs or other family possessions then she would be hunted until they are returned and anyone who hides her would be seen as a enemy of the king
I think you missed one disinheriting scenario. After Driftmark. At this point, Rhaenyra has had 3 obvious bastards, and one of them has carved one of the king's sons. That alone merited consequences, if Viserys had 2 braincells to rub together. In the most severe case, he could have disinherited and exiled her and made the boys bastards to punish them. It would have made her hella salty, and the Velaryons would not be happy, but you would still get the internal conflict (with Vaemond's side supporting the decision, while Corlys raged about it)
I wonder what would have happened if Vizzy had just made a royal decree while alive that a King or Lord can choose any legitimate heir if they wish? Like what would have been the fallout during the dance if that were an option for other Lords and Ladies of the kingdom.
Pretty sure Jaehaerys made laws to prevent that after Alysanne visited the North along with the first night tradition. Its one of Big J's better decisions.
Right at 13:59, that black Friday Walmart add popped up, so all I got was, "Viserys responded Walmart black Friday deals are here" 😂 I just had to share, carry on.
Actually scenario 1 is pretty dangerous for the crown. Daemon, Rhaenyra, Rhaenys, Corlys, Laenor, and Laena have all been wronged by the crown in someway. Rhaenys was passed over for the crown twice. The second time Rhaenys was passed over Laenor was too and Criston Cole a kingsguard knight killed Joffrey Lonmouth in public and received no punishment at all. Laena was rejected to be queen even though she was by far the best option and even though she didn’t care she doesn’t need a good reason to fight since it seems like she wanted some conflict. Corlys never forgot what happened to his family and he was ignored about the Stepstones problem for years and never received help dealing with it. Daemon was exile twice for things he doesn’t really care about and the second time was after he won himself a crown and gave it up to get back in his brother’s good graces. And Rhaenyra had her mother butchered, her best friend stolen, replaced by Aegon losing not only the throne but her father’s love and acceptance in her eyes, then after a single mistake was forced into a marriage with a man it was impossible to have a real marriage with to cover for her father’s mistakes and was forced to leave her home. They would have 5 fighting dragons and the crown would have a baby Sunfire. All they would have to do is succeed from the 7 kingdoms and no one would be able to stop them
Here’s a couple of ideas: What if Viserys married Rhaenys instead of Rhaenyra? Also What if, after Aemon died, Jaehaerys named Rhaenys Princess of Dragonstone?
@@chrisanderson7258 Naw he likely would accept the decision without much pushback. This decision is coming from Jaehaerys himself, and all Daemon had at the time was a Valyrian Steel sword and a dragon. Also this is after Aemon (Rhaenys father) dies, and not Balon (Daemon's father). So as far as anyone is concerned the succession is following regular Westerosi tradition of a niece inheriting ahead of her uncle.
@@thegreatpage5912 Well yeah except for the fact that Westeros won't accept a queen ruling them. Let's not even talk about Laenor's problem and his inability to procreate. The dance of dragons will still happen.
Also, if you’re being honest, his first son was that fit to rule at all his second son, he would’ve made a decent king while his brother would’ve made a great figurehead for the lords and clergy
Viseryes truly believed everyone would just follow what he wanted after his death. A good way for this to happen after his death would be to have the lords every 5 years making the same oath. Have Aegon make the oath, and have Rehnerya make an oath to protect the kings children and grandchildren upon his death. Make them make it publicly and there would be no doubt. Rehnerya being a bad queen in the book is mostly due to the fact that the greens fucked off with all of the royal treasury before she took over Kings Landing. If she had that money 90% of her actions would be different.
Will there be a part two to “what if Rhaneys did it” video because you self it off on a very big cliffhanger and the civil war had not even stated yet in that video
i think in this au rhaenyra would not accept it to aegon named heir even we know what lords of westeros love man over women to rule but for i think in this au rhaenyra would leave king's leading and go to dragonstone where daemon there and i think the relationship between viserys and rhaenyra will fell because aegon named heir i know lords of westeros never cared about what is going between the king and his daughter and otto the same because finally he his wish aegon named heir but man this au will be sadly because rhaenyra never returned to king's leading and i think she will marry daemon instead laenor if this happened i could imagine alicent who will start to blame herself because what she did she lost the only one she loved rhaenyra hate her the alicent would try to solve the problems with rhaenyra so she could back to the family and i think viserys would be heartbroken his daughter and his brother hates him because he replies them with kid maybe aegon and his siblings will be fine in this time aemond will be fine but could you imagine aegon and his siblings ask about their sister and where is she and why she not coming to see them???man alicent would runaway from this question because she reminded herself she one the reason is rhaenyra away from them but loved good job 👍🏻
No I think Rhaena or Baela would be more logical as the Velaryons have dragons and still need to be won back and Daemon needs to be kept in check. I see this going more towards Aegon has to marry his choice of a Targaryen woman after causing too many scandals and he’s not into Helaena so he takes a shot with either Rhaena or Baela
Yes. Helaena has a dragon. Viserys would not allow that power to be handed over to another family (note, none of the Targ daughters who married out of the family had dragons), and Aegon is the best candidate in the family, with the best prospects. It's either him or Jace, who isn't in line to inherit anything in this world.
@@KittyOfChess I am not questioning what you wrote but here is a thought. King Viserys allowed Rhaenyra an opportunity to choose her husband aka there was a chance that the dragon rider princess would go to a different family.
@@elinakangas571 he planned for Rhaenyra to be queen, so it wouldn’t be her going to a different family. Her husband would be joining her family instead.
Slight spoilers To think depending on who rheanyra maries and how far their claim to the throne is in this scenario there would be no blackfyre rebellion and possibly changing when dorne joins the 7 kingdoms
Viserys was just dumb and selfish. He was so worried about Daemon but it seems to me that if he had just let Daemon marry Rhaenyra, her claim to the throne would have been strengthened due to Daemon being a Targaryean who was already well loved by the gold cloaks and ppl would have seen it as him ruling instead of a woman. I just cant stand Viserys. He caused the whole drama by being selfish.
Daemon is hated throughout most of the realms that can make a difference in a war so that would be a bad idea also it gives the targs no political gain, the smartest thing to do was for visaryies to Marry the valaryon girl and name any male born from that line as heir, that would give them another dragon in seasmoke, the richest family in the realm and stop the beef resulting from corlys wife being skipped over. The family would be untouchable and stronger than when even aegon ruled, they would control both the skies and seas with no equal in the world.
@@latamarap13marrying your daughter’s BFF after butchering her mom like cattle and exiling the only other family she has (daemon) is insidious work, Vizzy T was the worst
Interesting as ever. Still the fact you have a bunch of short tempered teenagers with dragons may matter more than issues of succession. Sooner or later someone on a dragon is going to attack someone else on a dragon and other dragon riders could well get involved... Plus if Aegon becomes king Daemon will assume Otto's coming after him and he probably won't wait around to see what happens...
The only downside I can see is that it would infuriate House Valaryon. The Valaryons expected to be in line to the throne via Laenor’s marriage to Rhaenyra. But if Viserys went back on that. It would be another smack in the face to the Sea Snake. Which might lead to strike 3 in his eyes. 1st strike. The great council ruling against them. 2nd strike. Viserys rejecting Laena to marry Alicent. 3rd strike. Viserys going back on Rhaenyra as heir to name Aegon.
10:30 that is not true. He prefers Rhaenyra over Daemon. It has nothing to do with gender. If Rhaenyra was a man and Alicient had 4 daughters you better believe those girls would be pushed to become the next Queen.
Viserys dreamed of a son wearing his COLORS and Aegon the first crown. Aegon 2 doesn’t wear his colors and doesn’t represent his house , Alicent has dressed them boys in green for years to show that they were different from Rhaenyra’s children
It’s very interesting that the Lords want to interfere with the royal house who have different customs the Royal family origins is from a different continent and they practice a different faith you don’t see the rest of the south try to influence the north because they got different customs but everybody want to give the two cents how the royal family should maneuver and it’s almost like these Lord still know that the only business they got is managing and development their own land
They dont practice a different faith, they converted to the Seven by the time of Jaehaerys and so on. They only differed in customs. It makes all the sense that all the lords ruled over by this family want to have a say on who rules them and is making the laws they have to enforce and who they pledge Feudal bows to. Who rules on top has a HUGE effect on them, so makes sense they want to mingle on who is the King. Then there is the religious motive of "Chosen rightfully by the Gods". Your argument sorry, is flawed.
The war would’ve happened regardless, but instead it would’ve been for the rouge prince says he won, need to become king and be & bee heir 2 his brother and he enjoys messing up Otto ambitions
Fun fact daemon never wanted to be king all he wanted to do was be important for his brother, infact in the books when he did become king/ queens consort he immediately left kingslanding and was just drinking, having sex in brothels and going dragon riding with his friend/ lover, until rhaenyra asked him foe help again which at that moment he bid his lover farewell then said that he's lived too long before going of to die in a fight.
“As old king Jaehaerys might have done” Jaehaerys wouldn’t have disinherited her. He never would have named her heir in the first place.
He would’ve bred with his next wife until he got a boy and if that meant pulling a 3 for 1 Maegor style so be it Jaehaerys would NEVER name a daughter heir
I think even if he only had daughters he would have named his 1st grandson as his heir before his 1st daughter 😂😂
"Only men have ruled in Westeros"
Meanwhile the vale having a regency every ten years and dornish having princess as rulers
And in the timeline of HOTD the Tyrells are being controlled by a woman as she acts as regent for her son who is a very young child
@@bellsb1134 Regency because the male is either dead or young and there are no male relatives to take over
And Dorne is Dorne , ⅐ is an outlier not a rule
Dorne is literally an independent Kingdom and I don’t get why you thought regency’s was an argument considering it’s not hereditary. What a dumbass comment.
Female Regents doesn't mean they're the Ladies of the Kingdoms , their children and younger brothers are still the Lords
@@nicksmithnutmilk I meant in the fact that the female regents would rule the kingdom until their sons came of age
Simply put if Rhaenyra was disinherited there would be no war because no one would support her.
Fans seem to forget that lords of Westeros only side with her because they swore oaths not out of loyalty of her as a person 😂
Fans seem to forget that lords of Westeros only side with her because they swore oaths not out of loyalty of her as a person 😂
Especially all the fanfics about her, when she's disinherited. I swear they are crazy, you know how many I've seen where they just are all like "but Rhaenyra is perfect" even after she was outed as an adulteress bastard maker. It's crazy. Literally everyone except Rhaenyra's would rejoice.
@@Aaron_Guest Rhaenyra stans are the worst to be honest they dont live in reality. Its not like bastards are a big thing in a medievil society and its not like threatning people with mutilation will get people to side with her......
Facts. The Black's ALL had to be convinced with marriage pacts made by Jace, or in the Tully's case, a passive threat via dragon rider
The Greens needed a marriage pact with the Baratheons, true, but the Lannisters and Hightowers popped up regardless. (Well, Aegon's mom was a Hightower so I guess that's par for the course)
@@Aaron_Guestdelusional. You seem you be decrying her character as if Aegon isn’t an adulterer. Also people wouldn’t “rejoice” they just wouldn’t care.
@@VMohdude- Wut????
It’s almost as if rhaenyra was made heir exclusively to keep daemon away from power and when aegon popped up he was heir. no need to name someone, it just goes to him
Yup he names her to keep the throne from daemon and kept her heir out of guilt for killing her mom
And then she just marries him😂😂
@@marshalsunrise6582I always wonder what if daemon didn’t marry rhaenrya, would he of been another contender for the throne, could’ve been three teams in the war.
@@oceanfive5no , he would have sided with the winners ( obviously the Greens , Rhaenyra wouldn't have stood a chance without Daemon ) and then destroy them & take the Throne
Aegon II is made the heir? No Civil War occurs 😅 no one would push for Rhaenyra's claim other than maybe Daemon and his handful of homies, and that wouldn't be nearly enough to do literally anything with.
If they got the cannibal (dragon) on side that might swing things...
Really, all Viserys had to do to keep Rhaenyra as the undisputed heir is to NOT marry anymore. By remarrying, he presented an image that the King is still looking for a son, for an heir.
U do realise that one of the kings duty is to secure the royal line, a king is expected in westeros to have atleast 2 children and 3 to 4 is acceptable. There is literally a quote that's says the first born is heir and the second one is a spare, if rhanera was to die then there would be no clear successor and another great council would be called, especially since daemon was disinherited and exiled
@@hulksmash7960his the king dumb dumb
@hulksmash7960 In that case, once Rhaenyra had children, then that takes the pressure off of her father
@@maishaahmed915in theory yes …. Problem is that she had bastards 😂.
@@maishaahmed915I think it would’ve worked if she didn’t have bastards, if she had legitimate children then she would’ve had an easier time and so would’ve her kids, especially since she had all sons
Aegon ii was the rightful king and what i mean by that
1 Jaeherys himself got the throne while he was a younger brother and his elder sister Rhaena had twins(also girls) from her husband brother Aegon the uncrowded who was also elder brother of Jaeherys
2 Jaeherys firstborn was a girl her mother insisted that she should be the heir but Jaeherys dismissed her saying she was gonna be the queen alongside her brother(the actual heir)
3 Rhaenys claimant overpassed cause she was a woman even though she was the daughter of Jaeherys eldest son
4 Jaeherys himself wanted Viserys to sit the throne(it was pretty obvious)
So it's quite hypocritical for everyone to accept Jaeherys as a true king and Rhaena his eldest sister who wanted also to rule as not a possible candidate when you all keep saying that Aegon ii has take a throne from whom? Rhaenyra was never the true heir even her son Aegon iii never named his daughters as his heirs and after his son died it was Aegon's little brother who ruled not his daughters.
"Rhaenyra was never the true heir" She was officially declared and sworn to, you dingus. The heir is whoever the king declares as his heir.
Also, the lords violated their own laws by passing over Rhaenys. The moment Aemon had a kid, male or female, the succession takes a new direction. Even though it's a male preference, the children of the first son take precedence over the second son. It's why Daemon's first wife was set to inherit Runestone before any of her other male relatives. Let's also take Jon Snow for example, and we'll go with the show version and let's pretend Bran is dead. Just Jon, Sansa, and Arya... and Jon is legitimized. So Eddard dies, Jon is who we think is next. But wait. Lyanna is Jon's mother and Rhaegar his father. And they were even married. Sure, he's still Ned's nephew. But now he's down the chain. Winterfell goes to Sansa. And the moment she has a kid, he's even further down the line. If Sansa has a daughter. She's next after Sansa. But if she has a boy afterwards, now he's second and the daughter is third. Jon has a better claim to the Iron Throne that even Daenerys, but he is now behind Sansa and Arya for Winterfell/The North.
So yeah, the Great Council, even by historic standards, was sexist and hypocritical.
the great council was the worst decision jaehaerys made. it gave the lords the belief that they had the right to choose the heir
Tbh it was fair. No clear ruler so he let the Lords decide and set precedence. It was Viserys' fault for either not continuing that precedence set, making laws and decrees to the law of succession itself instead of Rhaenyra just being an exception, or hosting a great council of his own
The issue is that it set the precedent of absolute male priority in succession. Therefore Viserys who only became king due to this precedent says his daughter gets to be Queen, screws up the system, because it is viewed as hypocritical and thus questions the legitimacy of all potential rulers, giving pretty much anyone a claim to the throne if they are legitimate and their daddy said so. This mindset later causes the Blackfyre rebellions...
@@Stay_Zeroseno it doesn't the blackfyre rebellion are many things this ain't one of them
Nah, he made the choice because it meant avoiding a Civil War
Daemon and Corlys were prepping Arnies in case Jaehaerys made the choice alone. Jaehaerys chose the best option.
Exactly, why should the sheep choose which Dragon to rule over them?
lets all be honest if Ageon was named heir the realm would be at peace. After all the first son being named heir was expected Rhaenyra was the wrench so to say.And if Viserys had actually been a father to him he would have turned out better too
Even show Aegon is good enough for Westeros and book Aegon is perfect
Could you do "What if Rhaenyra married Otto's son"?
Otto remains ideologically consistent outside of “whatever suits my houses needs”? Nah the best fact of this whole thing is that the Greens have to name a girl as their heir over a male claimant which runs counter to their entire position.
Then Otto wins period, though he might still try to push for Aegon to be if he still thought he'd be in danger. Because remember Alicent still marries Viserys.
@@Aaron_Guest I just like to imagine Daemon having an aneurysm at the news.
@@amorojaz27 💀💀💀
@@Aaron_Guest If Rhaenyra marries his son, I'd imagine Otto wouldn't really push so hard for Aegon since regardless his blood would be on the throne.
If Aegon was pointed out as the heir from the start none of the lords that made a oath would have followed Rhaenyra. Only the Velaryon and mabye deamon would support her. And imo if one of Aegons let his daughter marry one of rheanyro sons it would already help alot to fix things.
That's an interesting match. An even better match would be if Rhaenyra's daughter Visenya married Aegon's son Jaehaerys.
@@maishaahmed915or Rhaenyra simply married Aegon instead of Laenor and didn't ho around 😂😂
Okay I have two what if suggestions and they're both interesting at least I think so.
First one is what if the series and Allison only had daughters. Like same amount of kids but all girls.
Second one I got is what if Otto suggested himself as a marriage candidate for Rhaenerya. I know that one is weird but I could see him doing it as a plan B if the series never changes his mind no matter what his blood ends up on the throne.
Tbh, the 2nd one I dunno about 😅
But if Alicent had only daughters, the only argument would've been a matter of Bastard Heirs over trueborn ones. Could still lead to conflict but, Daemon would still be seen as the male heir of House Targaryen, or at least his sons Aegon and Viserys
If they only had daughters then Rhaenyra would be the uncontested queen, specially since she married Daemon which would be seen by many to be the next logical King. The problem would arouse with the children. Was she married with Laenor before? Did she had bastard sons? etc.
Otto or otto's son, gwayne
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 I mean either or could be cool
I'd see otto offering Gwayne before himself LOL. Which isn't the worst option as it gives her ties to the hightowers and as he isn't in line for oldtown there wouldn't be any disputes of her children's name not being targaryen from the getgo.
Here's another what if. "What if Daemon stayed as the heir to Viserys?"
basically a repeat of this video. because no matter what, viserys will remarry and get a son
What if Old King Jahaerys died before the Great Council, leading to a civil war a generation earlier?
What if Laena didn't die in childbirth, leading to Daemon never returning to Westeros and Aemond not getting Vhaegar?
What if Aemond WASN'T blinded and Otto married Aegon to one of the Velaryon girls after Laenor """died"""?
Edit: *half* blinded.
These are insanely cool ideas
@@Vanny1980 Thank you!
Rhaenys and Vizzy loved each other ( not romantically ) , they wouldn't try to kill each other
If Rhaenys married Viserys they will be rule as King and Queen. No great council no dance of the dragons
I dont think they would want that. Viserys is such a soft boy and Rhaenys is too dominate. They wont work as a couple.
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Plus they were both already wed
Old king take initiative on that marriage. It was purely a political one. After marrying Rhaenys to House Velarayon the access of dragons was open to house Velarayon.
From how we see Aegon as King he wouldn't be the way we saw him growing up he would be a different person. I'm interested in seeing what alternatives most likely would come up in the setting, at least in the time we see in the House of the Dragon. I feel they would either try to match him with Baela to try to bring the Velaryons back in or if they feel relying on them for ships has become to troublesome marry Helaena to Dalton Greyjoy.
I wonder what Viserys would do if Rhaenyra just... Tried to leave on Syrax after being disinherited? Or refused to say her vows if forced to a wedding? She'd see herself as having nothing to lose.
Well she doesn't actually have to be present to get married that's just a custom, they can just have the ceremony without her and she would be considered married. Then if she tried to leave with Syrax it all depends, if she leaves with just syrax then they would just let her go and spy on her like what the previous king did, if she left with Syrax and dragon eggs or other family possessions then she would be hunted until they are returned and anyone who hides her would be seen as a enemy of the king
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I think you missed one disinheriting scenario. After Driftmark. At this point, Rhaenyra has had 3 obvious bastards, and one of them has carved one of the king's sons. That alone merited consequences, if Viserys had 2 braincells to rub together.
In the most severe case, he could have disinherited and exiled her and made the boys bastards to punish them. It would have made her hella salty, and the Velaryons would not be happy, but you would still get the internal conflict (with Vaemond's side supporting the decision, while Corlys raged about it)
I wonder what would have happened if Vizzy had just made a royal decree while alive that a King or Lord can choose any legitimate heir if they wish? Like what would have been the fallout during the dance if that were an option for other Lords and Ladies of the kingdom.
That would have caused chaos. If the lord czn just choose their favorite child as the heir, there would be succession disputes in every house.
Pretty sure Jaehaerys made laws to prevent that after Alysanne visited the North along with the first night tradition. Its one of Big J's better decisions.
Right at 13:59, that black Friday Walmart add popped up, so all I got was, "Viserys responded Walmart black Friday deals are here" 😂 I just had to share, carry on.
Actually scenario 1 is pretty dangerous for the crown. Daemon, Rhaenyra, Rhaenys, Corlys, Laenor, and Laena have all been wronged by the crown in someway. Rhaenys was passed over for the crown twice. The second time Rhaenys was passed over Laenor was too and Criston Cole a kingsguard knight killed Joffrey Lonmouth in public and received no punishment at all. Laena was rejected to be queen even though she was by far the best option and even though she didn’t care she doesn’t need a good reason to fight since it seems like she wanted some conflict. Corlys never forgot what happened to his family and he was ignored about the Stepstones problem for years and never received help dealing with it. Daemon was exile twice for things he doesn’t really care about and the second time was after he won himself a crown and gave it up to get back in his brother’s good graces. And Rhaenyra had her mother butchered, her best friend stolen, replaced by Aegon losing not only the throne but her father’s love and acceptance in her eyes, then after a single mistake was forced into a marriage with a man it was impossible to have a real marriage with to cover for her father’s mistakes and was forced to leave her home. They would have 5 fighting dragons and the crown would have a baby Sunfire. All they would have to do is succeed from the 7 kingdoms and no one would be able to stop them
Here’s a couple of ideas: What if Viserys married Rhaenys instead of Rhaenyra?
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What if, after Aemon died, Jaehaerys named Rhaenys Princess of Dragonstone?
Viserys never married Rhaenyra? Do you mean instead of Aemma?
or what if Aemon never died at all?
The second scenario would just have the dance of the dragons a generation early. No way Daemon would take that decision peacefully.
@@chrisanderson7258 Naw he likely would accept the decision without much pushback. This decision is coming from Jaehaerys himself, and all Daemon had at the time was a Valyrian Steel sword and a dragon.
Also this is after Aemon (Rhaenys father) dies, and not Balon (Daemon's father). So as far as anyone is concerned the succession is following regular Westerosi tradition of a niece inheriting ahead of her uncle.
@@thegreatpage5912 Well yeah except for the fact that Westeros won't accept a queen ruling them. Let's not even talk about Laenor's problem and his inability to procreate. The dance of dragons will still happen.
I believe Daemon would still have made Rhaenyra rebel
What If Rhaenyra brought back the white stag. Would that have made vizzy see her as an true heir more or let go of his dreams
Also, if you’re being honest, his first son was that fit to rule at all his second son, he would’ve made a decent king while his brother would’ve made a great figurehead for the lords and clergy
Your alternative history is very optimistic
Aegon is perfect for a place like Westeros
Viseryes truly believed everyone would just follow what he wanted after his death. A good way for this to happen after his death would be to have the lords every 5 years making the same oath. Have Aegon make the oath, and have Rehnerya make an oath to protect the kings children and grandchildren upon his death. Make them make it publicly and there would be no doubt.
Rehnerya being a bad queen in the book is mostly due to the fact that the greens fucked off with all of the royal treasury before she took over Kings Landing. If she had that money 90% of her actions would be different.
Will there be a part two to “what if Rhaneys did it” video because you self it off on a very big cliffhanger and the civil war had not even stated yet in that video
i think in this au rhaenyra would not accept it to aegon named heir even we know what lords of westeros love man over women to rule but for i think in this au rhaenyra would leave king's leading and go to dragonstone where daemon there and i think the relationship between viserys and rhaenyra will fell because aegon named heir i know lords of westeros never cared about what is going between the king and his daughter and otto the same because finally he his wish aegon named heir but man this au will be sadly because rhaenyra never returned to king's leading and i think she will marry daemon instead laenor if this happened i could imagine alicent who will start to blame herself because what she did she lost the only one she loved rhaenyra hate her the alicent would try to solve the problems with rhaenyra so she could back to the family and i think viserys would be heartbroken his daughter and his brother hates him because he replies them with kid maybe aegon and his siblings will be fine in this time aemond will be fine but could you imagine aegon and his siblings ask about their sister and where is she and why she not coming to see them???man alicent would runaway from this question because she reminded herself she one the reason is rhaenyra away from them but loved good job 👍🏻
See? If only Viserys picked Aegon all the crap could have been avoided 😂
No War. Simple as that. Daemon however well..
Don't know if I'd call Alicent an overbearing mother...
Do you think in this scenario Aegon would still marry Haelena?
No I think Rhaena or Baela would be more logical as the Velaryons have dragons and still need to be won back and Daemon needs to be kept in check. I see this going more towards Aegon has to marry his choice of a Targaryen woman after causing too many scandals and he’s not into Helaena so he takes a shot with either Rhaena or Baela
Yes. Helaena has a dragon. Viserys would not allow that power to be handed over to another family (note, none of the Targ daughters who married out of the family had dragons), and Aegon is the best candidate in the family, with the best prospects. It's either him or Jace, who isn't in line to inherit anything in this world.
@@KittyOfChess I am not questioning what you wrote but here is a thought. King Viserys allowed Rhaenyra an opportunity to choose her husband aka there was a chance that the dragon rider princess would go to a different family.
@@elinakangas571 he planned for Rhaenyra to be queen, so it wouldn’t be her going to a different family. Her husband would be joining her family instead.
Slight spoilers
To think depending on who rheanyra maries and how far their claim to the throne is in this scenario there would be no blackfyre rebellion and possibly changing when dorne joins the 7 kingdoms
Viserys was just dumb and selfish. He was so worried about Daemon but it seems to me that if he had just let Daemon marry Rhaenyra, her claim to the throne would have been strengthened due to Daemon being a Targaryean who was already well loved by the gold cloaks and ppl would have seen it as him ruling instead of a woman. I just cant stand Viserys. He caused the whole drama by being selfish.
Except for the fact that Daemon is a terrible king and only make the realm worse.
I don't think he is evil. He just didn't want to deal with conflict. So he's not evil, he's just inept. He shouldn't have been king.
Daemon is hated throughout most of the realms that can make a difference in a war so that would be a bad idea also it gives the targs no political gain, the smartest thing to do was for visaryies to Marry the valaryon girl and name any male born from that line as heir, that would give them another dragon in seasmoke, the richest family in the realm and stop the beef resulting from corlys wife being skipped over. The family would be untouchable and stronger than when even aegon ruled, they would control both the skies and seas with no equal in the world.
@@latamarap13marrying your daughter’s BFF after butchering her mom like cattle and exiling the only other family she has (daemon) is insidious work, Vizzy T was the worst
Interesting as ever.
Still the fact you have a bunch of short tempered teenagers with dragons may matter more than issues of succession. Sooner or later someone on a dragon is going to attack someone else on a dragon and other dragon riders could well get involved...
Plus if Aegon becomes king Daemon will assume Otto's coming after him and he probably won't wait around to see what happens...
what if Rhaenyra went to rooks rest with Rhaenys
The only downside I can see is that it would infuriate House Valaryon.
The Valaryons expected to be in line to the throne via Laenor’s marriage to Rhaenyra.
But if Viserys went back on that. It would be another smack in the face to the Sea Snake. Which might lead to strike 3 in his eyes.
1st strike. The great council ruling against them.
2nd strike. Viserys rejecting Laena to marry Alicent.
3rd strike. Viserys going back on Rhaenyra as heir to name Aegon.
10:30 that is not true. He prefers Rhaenyra over Daemon. It has nothing to do with gender. If Rhaenyra was a man and Alicient had 4 daughters you better believe those girls would be pushed to become the next Queen.
he shouldn't have married alicent. end of.
I'm always pro-Rhaenyra idk
Viserys dreamed of a son wearing his COLORS and Aegon the first crown. Aegon 2 doesn’t wear his colors and doesn’t represent his house , Alicent has dressed them boys in green for years to show that they were different from Rhaenyra’s children
Idk man he never wore the conquerors himself but aegon does
It’s very interesting that the Lords want to interfere with the royal house who have different customs the Royal family origins is from a different continent and they practice a different faith you don’t see the rest of the south try to influence the north because they got different customs but everybody want to give the two cents how the royal family should maneuver and it’s almost like these Lord still know that the only business they got is managing and development their own land
They dont practice a different faith, they converted to the Seven by the time of Jaehaerys and so on. They only differed in customs. It makes all the sense that all the lords ruled over by this family want to have a say on who rules them and is making the laws they have to enforce and who they pledge Feudal bows to. Who rules on top has a HUGE effect on them, so makes sense they want to mingle on who is the King. Then there is the religious motive of "Chosen rightfully by the Gods". Your argument sorry, is flawed.
The war would’ve happened regardless, but instead it would’ve been for the rouge prince says he won, need to become king and be & bee heir 2 his brother and he enjoys messing up Otto ambitions
Fun fact daemon never wanted to be king all he wanted to do was be important for his brother, infact in the books when he did become king/ queens consort he immediately left kingslanding and was just drinking, having sex in brothels and going dragon riding with his friend/ lover, until rhaenyra asked him foe help again which at that moment he bid his lover farewell then said that he's lived too long before going of to die in a fight.