Say Goodbye to SRAM and Shimano - WHEELTOP EDS-TX ROAD Wireless Groupset
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- 13 and 14 SPEED ready? A welcome alternative to the wireless drivetrains from SRAM and Shimano! Here is a quick check of the hydraulic Wheeltop EDS-TX road goupset next to Shimano 105 and GRX 11 speed, including calipers/ brakes, shifters, derailleurs and the Wheeltop App. Basic functionality #wireless #wheeltop #drivetrain
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00:00 Intro
00:43 Vs 105 and GRX, Options
01.36 Unboxing - Hydraulic Disc Brakes
02:23 Wheeltop Hydraulic Calipers Details
05:04 Wheeltop EDS TX components
07:09 WheelTop Shifters
09:19 Wheeltop Rear Derailleur
12:47 The Front Derailleur
13:42 Setup, WheelTop App Setup
15:47 Real Wireless Drivetrain Competition?
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Another great video thanks
Thanks for the review & amazing channel! I am a longtime Shimano fan - but a complete MTB 2x XT drivechain replacement & upgrade to 1x had me considering the SRAM AXS GX purely from a cost perspective. I eventually got a much better deal on the AXS upgrade & decided to try it: the biggest issue was my nervousness when I removed the internal cable hoses. My AXS gear changing is not bad - IMHO it's not as good as Shimano XT/XTR IMHO & SRAM will always sound/feel a bit "agricultural" compared to the engineered slickness of Shimano. The lack of cables on the handlebars is great & still makes me smile even after 2 years since installation! So overall, I am very happy with the wireless setup. I am looking with interest to the chinese products for a gravel bike setup - simply because they offer a bit better value, but don't seem to be as refined as Shimano. In the video, the EDS looks to be a bit more refined than the LTWOO but I will wait to see reviews of a comparison before deciding.
The non removable battery is a showstopper. Faulty rechargeable batteries are common.
Thankyou for another awesome vid!!!All of us canucks need removable batterys for our crazy winters if your storing your bikes in the cold...I laughed when I saw the c-clip on the brake pad retaining bolt,then 20 secs later you come up with an awesome work around good job!!!I'm curious as to how long they last before issues appear please keep us posted...Cheers!!!!!
I hear you...riding the road bike much in winter? 😇 will definitey keep you all in the loop with how this works. I hope their MTB vesion has removable battery though, we do ride our MTBs in winter!
I just installed the cable rim brake version on my tandem. There is definitely a learning curve in pairing and adjustment on bike with the app. One cool thing is the ability to adjust each gear on rear cassette. I mean micro micro adjustment. Every gear can be adjusted in extremely fine amounts. So far, very happy with it. And being totally wireless, no holes to drill or wires to run in frame!
Wow did not realize that! Thanks for sharing
Great video, thanks for the details. If we want to run it on a gravel bike we might need a wider chainline at around 47mm... do we know what it is?
This is tempting. I'm still on the 10 speed version of Sram Red. The price looks good and there is a cable brake version. Looks like a good way to add something new and old bike.
Yeah easy upgrade
As allways, your videos are the best in cycling community.
Thank you very much!
I just don't see the draw for "electronic" shifting. It would seem to me that their is more concern for failure and then cost to either repair or replace. I have never had any issue with mechanical shifter components that if being "electronic" would have prevented, like for instance, a stick in the spokes that went around and literally folded the cage. I'm good with either SLX or XT.
If you look at road, almost everything is wireless now. Or every groupset has a wireless vesion/ battery operated. I have them all but not on my bikes whwre I only use cable actuated mechanical
SRAM and Shimano electronic shifting is extremely reliable. No cables, no replacing hosing and no routing. Plus perfect shift every time and zero drift.
@@Lenser It is the lure of wireless/ electronic shifting indeed. Perfect shift every time. As long as they are built well mechanically this stuff could work for ever right? 😊
No more front derailleur trimming is one of a reason
@tonyb2760 you probably don’t like “electronic” cell phones. I mean, rotary phones were so reliable.
Waiting for the Gravel groupset from Wheeltop!👍 It's gonna be mad! 😎💯👍
Got to swap out the battery on derailleurs though..
Nice video! The only sad thing is the non removable battery imo, so here's me hoping it at least last longer than AXS...
According to them it does last a couple of months, obviously depends on use
Interesting to see company putting out new drivetrain, clearly electronic is taking over and will be become cheaper and cheaper. They still need to proove their reliability tough and i think that where the value is for big brand, reliability, access to replacement part, branding and mechanic knowledge for repair and maintenance. Shimano fan boy here.
True, that's alays going to be the case with the true and tested. But can't help but welcome new options to the 2S duopoly
Am ss exclusive. But it is not well every where. So it would make for quick swap going gears and back. But not looking to spend a fortune
Can you mix the road shifters with MTB E-derailleurs? RD-GRX400 shift up to 11-speed 11-40 w/o a link. The 11-40 is a 11-speed MTB cassette which have different cog spacing at the smaller cogs than the 11-36 road. Is there an adjustment of the spacings?
Don't have the MTB derailleurs so don't know. For capacity this derailleur should be able to use a 40T jut don't know yet about adjustments, if you can adjust to the different ROAD? MTB spacing. I would say why not though given how flexible the entire system is designed.
they have a mtb der too you should test it
If I had it...
Very good. Very interesting and I can't wait to see your installation video. Thank you for giving us this news!!!
Impressive build, weight, aesthetics, and ergonomics. It'll be interesting to see how well the calipers do over time, though it sounds like the levers would be cross-compatible with Shimano. I hope you can cover shifting speed, battery life, water ingress resistance, and front derailleur trim in future videos.
Will do! And front derailleur trim is automatic as you move through the gears 😉
Are these components available through any other sales channel than dubious online platforms? Where do you get replacement parts from? What about warranty? Where do you have them maintained and serviced? As nice as these parts may look, there is no support infrastructure for them, and you are completely on your own when it's about making them work and to keep them working as intended.
The non removable batteries for the derailleurs is a no go for me I don’t have a garage my bike is in a shed and no place to plug in and I guess it’s going to be a problem for many people. It does not make sense. I like my SRAM AXS and on my gravel/ road bike I have mechanical.
I guess it was an unfortunate term that I used...batteries can be removed just not for charging. They expect them to last 2-3 months anyway. In case of failyre/ repair they can be replaced.
It looks like the wheeltop levers have more space under the lever for your fingers than Shimano. How many fingers can you wrap around the lever and still use the brake?
Two safely I would say
Does anyone know if the road groupset can be used without the front derailleur, (1x)? Or is the FD required for correct wireless operation?
Should work just fine
Can't wait for the ride impressions
You and me both!
Quality is more important than appearance
They could be quality what other way to find out?
The app links the hardware to the network, which links the user's cell phone to ....who? Thank you for the video.
Phone just provides a Blurtooth connection to the hardware then links it to tthe Wheeltop cloud. Your phone/ phone number doesn't play a role, it's just the login that matters.
Hi . 👍🏆 For MTB. ? Nice. 🤗🤗
How do prices compare to the Big 2?
Lower priced but they are also a kit that fits on any drivetrin so not really an Apple to Apple comparison.
Electronics on a mtb seems pointless to me. I can’t even see myself with an e-bike. On the bright side, I love your channel… always great content.
Thanks for watching! And not really for me either, but there's lots of entusiastic users out there 😉
Finally with electronic shifting its so ridicules that you can not choose the amount of gears. Now the main questions is is it compatible with the mtb derailleur for the ultimate mullet setup. Or a one by version that supports big cassettes.
... ridiculous*
Review the EDS MTB Version.
How is the App ????
If I can get my hands on it…app is ok
@@LoveMTB thanks for reply ,- thought the app was in Chinese, selling the MTB Version on AliExpress $530 CAD
can't understand why they use cr2032 instead of accu batteries
Pretty commonly used on bike accessories and the BT transmitters don’t use that much juice
@@LoveMTB Some accessories always use energy, even when turned off. The original Merida taillight does this. I don’t see a problem getting rid of charging connectors and installing wireless charging everywhere; this will save time, money and nerves of users. but the battery manufacturer doesn’t need this? :)))
@@klanyboyd Maybe just simple?
ile be buying the rim brake version only 650 euros for the groupset
Let us know how you like it!
Wheeltop is a deal breaker due to irreplaceable battery,i just bought ltwoo groups ,2 sets an aluminum lever and carbon,work great,hope they come out with rim version
Battery can be replaced just not for charging. For rim brake version there's always WheelTop😉
@@LoveMTB U should mention batteries are replaceable its just they are screwed down instead of a spring clamp like sram,this throws people off from buying
@@joehiatt1992 I did mention that in the video
You never mentioned price.
I just converted a bike to AXS Rival for about a $1000, with cranks.
If that whole kit isn't under...$700'ish... then what's the point? Just buy the real deal.
I never mention price since people source their stuff in all kind of ways.
And you bring up a good point!
definitely interested! especially since I can use it on a rim brake bike. I don't have to upgrade my frame to disc to get new technology. Give it a ride! Just have to convince my SO I need new gear
I’ll definitely report back 😊
Too pricey.
£670 for 105 Di2, which includes shifters, FD, RD, brake calipers, crankset, cassette, chain, and battery.
EDS TX £487 only includes shifters, FD, RD, brake calipers, and integrated batteries (no crankset, chain, or cassette).
Mad....
just checked on aliexpress, the price is on par with the 105 di2, competition should bring the price down ... what is the bargain/advantage/selling point of these again? not to mention warranty and spare/wear parts ...
I give you folks the details, you vote with your wallet. Isn’t that how it works?
Can Shimano calipers work with this?
For sure
SRAM on my MTB, Campagnolo on my road bikes. Would be happy to try Shimano on the MTB but Zero excitement in moving to anything like this. Just is.
I just installed Shimano XT 12 speed on my new mtb. The 4 piston brakes are amazing and shifting is excellent. Really happy with it.
let's see how it holds up after two years of use. As of now, skeptical at best
Fingers crossed, we will see
@@LoveMTB i read som ware that the gears develop play in the motors. but will see
Isn't this just a little less cheap then SRAM ? I don't get why I should use this.
Also beware. They don't have the same IP rating as SRAM. Go through a river and warranty won't cover this. Right ?
That's not correct, they're the same.
@@LoveMTB no. One is ip67 and the other ipx7 but as I read maybe they are the same in essence. I was wrong about thinking ipx7 is better.
what i do like from wt eds tx, it very cheap even cheaper than 105 or rival.
the battery if i compare with sram it bit last longer,
but the down side it charge take some time. for long ride so far been test it for 600 kilo it still manage in one charge
and other thing i not really like from this wheelset is the brake caliper it to bulky and look very cheap.
the brake is ok but the look i don't know i just not like how it look.
Bulky yes, but it doesn't look cheap
@@LoveMTB i want try to use shimano caliper but i'm afraid it not work.
I always appreciate the reviews but like some others have said I have zero desire to add anything electronic to any of my bikes. I simply don’t see the advantages as every bike in my fleet runs XO1 to XX1 and it’s all perfect without any additional fuss.
I hear you...
you bought them or received them for free for reviews
He's being paid to push China parts recently. See his elite wheel video. Very sad.
Electric shifting will be realized as a iffy choice in the future, just as the Tubeless tire is today.
Travel far distances on a flaky biscuit, no thanks! ✋🏻
Proprietry barb and olive are a huge no no. I don't understand why the haven't used shimano ones. Also, that circlip is ineed ridiculous. Also, comparing this with a mechanical groupset does not make sense, it's oranges and apples basically. If anything you should have compared it with 105 di2.
Agree on the barb and olive, don't know why.
And did I say ergonomics?
Proprietary*
Its only half a Groupset, but it's not half the price.
Upgrade kit really
Update us when it stops working, which it will.
I'll keep an eye on them once installed
@@LoveMTB I'm interested in seeing the new magene QED electronic groupset....Should be out soon and looks promising as they have a good track record of producing powermeters etc.
Proprietary olives?
WOuld be surprised if it is their own, I'll find an equivaent😉
@@LoveMTBhopefully there is an equivalent else that would be a let down.
@@neilgoth1974 agree
@@LoveMTB looks like Tektro to me
It looks to be about 800 euro for the set, without cranks or cassette.
I just bought Rival AXS piecemeal, with cranks, cassette, and chain for about 900 USD.
The fact that batteries cannot be replaced, (even Di2 has that capability in its own way). You'll have to replace the entire unit, makes me vote this kit a big fat thumbs down.
There is no upside to this kit versus AXS.
too expensive
No one is saying goodbye to sram or shimano!
The design and packaging look great. A step fwd for Chinese bike parts. Maybe one day they will be on par with Taiwan, which I think is number 1.
No removable battery is a no go. Batteries degrade over time. In the long run, a full charge may only last 1/2 a day!
Nonetheless very refreshing to see something other than the big 2 S.
Agree, refreshing. Battery can be removed just not to recharge. They expect one charge to last 2-3 months so that's pretty good.
Also the universality of it, I'm sure the 2S bigs use the same tech they can firmware controll them to do whatever. Just keep it locked in, patented.
Having worked for most of my life with high end precision electronics, I am just not a big fan of electronic shifting. Electronics just add more points of failure.
It has 4 batteries and 2 motors.
I have a mechanical 105 on my Giant TCR, a 12 speed SLX on my both Giant Talon and Trek Fuel EX8.
All 3 work flawlessly and I do not need to worry about which bike has a charged battery when I walk out into the garage and take any one of them for a ride.
With you on that!
Bought them 3 weeks ago from EU official website. Still waiting. Their logistic is terrible
That's why you do not buy from shady online sales channels.
@@einundsiebenziger5488 official website as I said. They offered full return and replace. Hope it will be ok now
Non-removable battery? Forget it.
Not quite non removable, just not externaly rechargeable. They can be removed, have a coupe of bolts for installation. They expect the battery life to be 2-3 months.
Thanks for the clarification.
whty would they overcomplicate the caliper with a wierd washer. You loose that and then what? LOL CIRCLET MY ASS
Would gladly pay extra for SRAM or Shimano. The other guys are way behind in terms of longivity.
I hear you...
Just make a video with the group set on the bike after you've ridden it. There's so many of these useless unboxing videos.
Because they just released them nobody had access to them before, they were not production ready. Or that’s my understanding
@@LoveMTB This was the best of several unboxing videos I've watched. Showing app and practical setup. Last one I saw the guy hadn't a full understanding of the app and admitted it. He'd rushed it. By contrast LoveMTB was thorough and complete - his setup to frame will be as good I bet.
chinese big no.
Once again trying to push Chinese junk parts. Unsubscribing.
And I thought you are all interested in what's new out there. Oh well...
China. Hard pass