41: Evaluating Verb vs. Noun Quality with Telegraph Go

Recently, Telegraph Go (Nate Morse) caught wind of my interest in Rocket League and invited me to play a few games on stream with him. I happily obliged, and our resulting conversations about Go during the stream were quite thought-provoking.
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[@jonhmm160]

If I understand Telegraph go correctly here at 44:49 , the key takeaway that I think is quite easy to miss is that when you take away the corner with a 3-3 it does also affect the opponents stones that are on the outside, because when the corner is gone there is less place to make eyes for the opponent. This actually makes a lot of sense regarding the modern meta and is also why (I think) in the modern 3-3 variation you don't exhange the hane and connect on the 2 line because even tough you gain territory you give the opponent a much better shape in terms of eyes, and so give away too much power for not much territory gain..

[@chillienet]

I would love to see Clossius' reaction to Telegraph Go saying "Corner Side Center doesn't matter at all and I hate that we teach that to beginners."

[@jasonmiller7474]

I haven't finished yet, but in cloud computing, instead of nouns and verbs they will call it declarative vs imperative. A quote:
"Imperative tells the computer how to do things, whereas declarative focuses on what we want to get from the computer."
Interesting parallel.

[@raytsh]

I might be my favorite episode so far. I really like this high level, abstract stuff that can completely change how you perceive the game. Such a change in perception would be very welcome for me personally. That is, thinking more about power than about territory. I think this is what I might need to get over my current plateau. That said, it is a bit confusing and not clearly explained in the discussion. At one point during the discussion I thought that I got it, but at the end, I was not so sure anymore. I'm again confused about power, influence and thickness and how those relate. Also, power is territory of sorts?! I'd like to have a condensed, clearly stated explanation. That said, the general idea is one of the most interesting things I heard about Go for a while.

[@plixik716]

I listened to the power bit several times but I don't get it. Let us know if you figure it out Justin.

[@JimGeorgeBaker]

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