Part 2 should have g2 at the least, got niko n monesy but still can’t do shite against navi, 0-8 current head to head lol, shidd coach, mismanaged chaos,get superstar players and allow all players to be selfish in keymoments causing colossal fakaps ,rounds n ultimately wins.lol I feel unless there’s drastic changes in management there, even getting donk and snatching JL they’re still bound to fak it up, its like seeing the same g2 of 2018-20
Here's what I'd like to see: EG's constant failures, NiP's inability to put together a coherent roster, Astralis going through half the population of Denmark, Falcons' "super"team, BLEED's non-starter lineups.
God like… yeah this deserves a segment. They threw away the whole NA fanbase for what? Team Liquid still have not recovered their fans everyone is following CoL and M80 these days
This is a bullshit list!!! How is no one talking about the Evil Genius main roster? That roster was so bad, their academy team was higher ranked with better players.😅
HONESTLY! Maybe he didn’t include because the whole “let’s have 3 rosters” from EG deserves its own video. Was it EG White and EG Black? Pretty sure there was a third power ranger ahh squad in there too 😂
We just took down the ranked team in the world and all the casters can think to say is Heroic didn't show up. We clawed our way back from 217th in the world by BUILDING a talent pipeline the whole scene memed on. Step out of the echo chamber and pay attention.
Yeah that C9 roster post Boston felt like some random dude was spinning a wheel of a bunch of players and whoever the wheel pointed to they brought in.
I would argue that roster of mibr containing stewie2k and tarik could be considered a hell of a cursed roster, but after seeing the teams ranked on this video I understanded it is another level of cursed
This roster is even more cursed if you consider the event fer was absent and they brought swag as a stand-in. We literally had MIBR sporting an American flag in HLTV
NA is ass but cheapening C9's major win to a choke is honestly shocking. They beat the #3, 2, and 1 ranked teams in the world successively to win that championship, I honestly can't believe im hearing this. They sucked before and they sucked after but there was nothing cheap about that win, it was hard fought through the hardest possible bracket lineup at the time.
Being a C9 fan in 2018-2021 was definitely a rollercoaster. But to be fair, Golden was ill most of the time he was on the roster, so they had to rotate stand-ins. When he was fine, the team didn't look half bad
Astralis the last couple of years trying to throw money at their problems but never actually fixing the structure of the org. Until they stop trying to replicate their success it's gonna be hell for device.
why r we rewriting history when it came to golden, he was a very solid caller who got forced out of fnatic after winning premier tournaments . i dont get it
Tyloo had this roster consisting of Freeman, SLOWLY, sk0r and fucking emi and ROGA after LETN1 has a coach probably boosted his balkan friends idk, and it was the most trash and auraless team ever
I never cared about CSGO esports, even if I mainly played CSGO with my friends and Denmark was on top for years. A few years I saw an atralis sleeping bag in the Danish equivalent of Costco or Walmart, there are only a handful of them but they’re the only store the size of Walmart or Costco. When I saw it I was just wondering how the hell they got associated with a sleeping bag and who the hell would buy it
The fact that TSM had the 2016/17 NA roster where they were like "We're going to build the next generation of NA counterstrike" and just IMMEDIATELY RELEASED EVERYONE AFTER FAILING TO QUALIFY FOR ELEAGUE ATLANTA!!!? Absolute cheeks organisation lmao
Hey PHY! Another great video, I love your pacing and execution. Please continue to make Counter-Strike videos like this, this is the content I was missing on CS UA-cam :)
Both Envyus rosters after apEX, kenny and NBK left deserve a mention. the french roster of xms, happy, scream, rpk and sixer and the American roster including Nifty, reltuC, drone and i don't even remember the other 2. BLEED as well.
Modern day cursed orgs: Fnatic, Entropiq, Bleed and you could make a case for Sprout. Like seriously, entropiq just vanished, announced some half known players and then never entered any significant events??
Let Sprout out of there. They just did not have the money needed to have a competitive roster. Most of the time they fielded young players in hopes they can resell at a higher price (syrson, k1to, wonderful etc). Furthermore the german regional system broke down so there is literally no competition in Germany right now.
NIP has to be included in this list, only recently they've looked decent with rinkle but still not what was expected of the roster. NIP vs Amkal vs Young Ninjas is my fav storyline this year.
Dude please make more videos! they’re so good and engaging and the way you break down rounds is very interesting and makes me feel less stupid about a game I love Plus already watched them all :(
Thanks for not going deeper down that C9 Rabbit hole of mixed teams.... cause holy fuck, did they get mixed after 2018 until the roster was dropped in 2021
Imo heaviest trainwreck in CS eSports is Tyloo. From a team with heavy hitters at a time with Bntet and xcurrate they became non existent. I mean they were always present at the major at that time. Nowadays they are struggling in tier 4.
Are they doing well? Liquid has three major winners, JKS, and a rookie playing out of his mind and they're roughly performing at a Top 15ish level. They haven't really had any impressive victories, Yekindar looks to be reverting to his terrible version again, and Twistzz is going to see his numbers drop over time the more he has to invest in IGLing (like we've seen with device on Astralis). If you replaced Ultimate with Cadian, and rewind back six months, this roster would be getting flamed for not being a Top 5 team. And Ultimate is outplaying Cadian so hard it's laughable. If they weren't coming off of such a drought in form, Twistzz would be getting slated for underperforming with this team. Complexity is one tilt-fest away from Hallzerk strangling an admin, and M80 still needs to play against some top teams before we can judge where they're at.
@@Ryan-sr8fg Youre totally right. Yekindar left Outsiders right before they won, and NAF (and Liquid) somehow won a Grand Slam without winning a single major. I think the point still stands, but ill fix my comment.
funny that you didnt mention the complexity roster of: blameF (passive player) jks (passive player) coldzera (passive player) es3tag (jack of all trades, master of mid) allu (bot/god)
I mean, g2 french super team should be in this conversation, if not for the fact that someone managed to fuck up a kennyS, apEx, shox, NbK and bodyyy core
Obviously to recent now but with the deranged roster moves they're making astralis is one day gonna make this list. ("I see myself in this role for many years to come")
I would argue that the first ever faze line up should not be here, faze decided to get the first ever international line up that got to the top 10 in the rankings and that got top 4 in a major while playing on g2. So i dont think its fair to be considered as random team of old dudes they got, their core was together for more than a year (kinguin 2015 - G2 2015-16 - Faze 2016) I am also biased since i am portuguese and fox playing in that team was the peak of our scene untill recent saw
You mention many teams trying and failing to Moneyball a roster, but you make a video about mousesports who managed to build a tournament winning budget international team in 2018. Maybe analyze the differences between these failed projects and mousesports 2018. Would be interesting!
I would put Falcons on the part 2, because they wasted a lot of money on former major winners and didnt achieve nothing, and now they benched their best player, Sunpayus to get a retired S1mple
Valve, please PLEASE bring back the official fantasy leagues. The 3 or so majors that had a PickEm trophy were the peak of my enjoyment as a spectator of CS. I know they swapped to the new case method of getting signatures, but fuck that method. Give us an option to just buy the signatures again.
I used to play on a team with Chr1zn before he came this far, and honestly he was the best kid i had ever had the pleasure of playing with, he is insanely clever and just a good player. I hope people will give him a chance
There will be a part 2 to this, at a later date ;)
Thanks y'alls
I was wondering why there was no talk about EG, so that's why 😅
Part 2 will include Cadian Astralis (believe that)
Part 2 should have g2 at the least, got niko n monesy but still can’t do shite against navi, 0-8 current head to head lol, shidd coach, mismanaged chaos,get superstar players and allow all players to be selfish in keymoments causing colossal fakaps ,rounds n ultimately wins.lol
I feel unless there’s drastic changes in management there, even getting donk and snatching JL they’re still bound to fak it up, its like seeing the same g2 of 2018-20
Here's what I'd like to see:
EG's constant failures, NiP's inability to put together a coherent roster, Astralis going through half the population of Denmark, Falcons' "super"team, BLEED's non-starter lineups.
ok fair enough because I was wondering how EG wasnt mentionning
never forget rainwaker liquid
That roster was almost my 13th reason
God like… yeah this deserves a segment. They threw away the whole NA fanbase for what? Team Liquid still have not recovered their fans everyone is following CoL and M80 these days
@@PhyFPSWym?? They have a top 10 looking roster rn??
this liquid will not accomplish much until they kick yekindar
also jks is not what he used to be back in csgo, but he's good enough for now
@@dinesvolt841 recovered their fans, not their placements.
This is a bullshit list!!! How is no one talking about the Evil Genius main roster?
That roster was so bad, their academy team was higher ranked with better players.😅
oh my god I forgot EG existed
I hope next video include EG and that banter cringe lady who cursed everyone on twitter.
HONESTLY! Maybe he didn’t include because the whole “let’s have 3 rosters” from EG deserves its own video. Was it EG White and EG Black? Pretty sure there was a third power ranger ahh squad in there too 😂
We just took down the ranked team in the world and all the casters can think to say is Heroic didn't show up.
We clawed our way back from 217th in the world by BUILDING a talent pipeline the whole scene memed on.
Step out of the echo chamber and pay attention.
The blueprint
Yeah that C9 roster post Boston felt like some random dude was spinning a wheel of a bunch of players and whoever the wheel pointed to they brought in.
I would argue that roster of mibr containing stewie2k and tarik could be considered a hell of a cursed roster, but after seeing the teams ranked on this video I understanded it is another level of cursed
This roster is even more cursed if you consider the event fer was absent and they brought swag as a stand-in. We literally had MIBR sporting an American flag in HLTV
It could have worked if stew had more patience he would make mistakes that cost the team and had to work around
@@PrestusHoodswag wasn't even in his prime
They were bad, this list is just a hell, like, you see MIBR and u think they're prime SK when compared
@@PrestusHoodlol even funnier if u think mibr literally means made in brazil
Seeing that Zellsis 1v5 clip made me smile. I’m just happy he finally became a champion in Valorant.
As someone who only got into e-sports through Valorant, seeing pre-Zaddy baby Zellsis is always a jumpscare
Same lmao@@gooseylucy2158
You forgot GetRights Dignitas. That's where the retirement house memes originated.
Shoutout to the current ence roster for this video
they WERE really good at making rosters. But after some management and coaching changes, the magic is gone.
If they didnt need to sign 9ine core for rmr spot, they would have made better team
Current NiP and Fnatic...
Swedish CS LUL
And Astralis
It's very hard to be a NiP fan nowadays...
Other teams just have much more money and hire the top tier players
NIP post nawwk has been so fucked
never forget when bondik joined tyloo
Wtf, i just remember that bondik played for tyloo
comms must've been insane
sticker price went sky high cuz it says China No1 and the Chinese CS community are just... Chinese
NA is ass but cheapening C9's major win to a choke is honestly shocking. They beat the #3, 2, and 1 ranked teams in the world successively to win that championship, I honestly can't believe im hearing this. They sucked before and they sucked after but there was nothing cheap about that win, it was hard fought through the hardest possible bracket lineup at the time.
Nah. Everyone else choked.
you gotta talk about the revolutionary EG 15-man roster
Being a C9 fan in 2018-2021 was definitely a rollercoaster. But to be fair, Golden was ill most of the time he was on the roster, so they had to rotate stand-ins. When he was fine, the team didn't look half bad
YEKINDAR IGLing Liquid was the worst thing I've ever seen in my life
falcon was a great example also,having de oil money and everything and choking in any tournament.
Astralis the last couple of years trying to throw money at their problems but never actually fixing the structure of the org. Until they stop trying to replicate their success it's gonna be hell for device.
This needs a pt 2, there are plenty of more weird/cursed rosters over the years
11:37 I was so confident you were talking about NiP haha
why r we rewriting history when it came to golden, he was a very solid caller who got forced out of fnatic after winning premier tournaments . i dont get it
and not to mention he struggled with multiple health issues. this is diabolical work
Tyloo had this roster consisting of Freeman, SLOWLY, sk0r and fucking emi and ROGA after LETN1 has a coach probably boosted his balkan friends idk, and it was the most trash and auraless team ever
I never cared about CSGO esports, even if I mainly played CSGO with my friends and Denmark was on top for years. A few years I saw an atralis sleeping bag in the Danish equivalent of Costco or Walmart, there are only a handful of them but they’re the only store the size of Walmart or Costco. When I saw it I was just wondering how the hell they got associated with a sleeping bag and who the hell would buy it
5:26 scared the shit outta me
The fact that TSM had the 2016/17 NA roster where they were like "We're going to build the next generation of NA counterstrike" and just IMMEDIATELY RELEASED EVERYONE AFTER FAILING TO QUALIFY FOR ELEAGUE ATLANTA!!!?
Absolute cheeks organisation lmao
tsm can eat shite
Hey PHY! Another great video, I love your pacing and execution. Please continue to make Counter-Strike videos like this, this is the content I was missing on CS UA-cam :)
New to Cs, rarely played csgo but man your vids are so fun to watch, keep up the good work
Not surprised about OG being a part of the Red Bull group, RB have done it with all of their football teams as well
Both Envyus rosters after apEX, kenny and NBK left deserve a mention. the french roster of xms, happy, scream, rpk and sixer and the American roster including Nifty, reltuC, drone and i don't even remember the other 2. BLEED as well.
Bleed wasn't actually that bad. Kassad cooked with it
Modern day cursed orgs: Fnatic, Entropiq, Bleed and you could make a case for Sprout.
Like seriously, entropiq just vanished, announced some half known players and then never entered any significant events??
don't forget Alternate Attax, it feels like they are a hardstuck Tier-2 team
Ence :[
Let Sprout out of there. They just did not have the money needed to have a competitive roster. Most of the time they fielded young players in hopes they can resell at a higher price (syrson, k1to, wonderful etc). Furthermore the german regional system broke down so there is literally no competition in Germany right now.
@@Roach_GodEnce were never the same after Falcons killed their Core and now if I'm not mistaken they failed to Qualify for the RMR
@@Roach_God ENCE will be back
That beginning with Liquid choking was unnecessary, we TL fans have feelings 😭😭
Gonna be honest, It wasn't until you said the title that I realized it wasn't "Roasters"
NIP has to be included in this list, only recently they've looked decent with rinkle but still not what was expected of the roster. NIP vs Amkal vs Young Ninjas is my fav storyline this year.
The title might be half-joking but i swear i believe 100000% these rosters ARE cursed.
Oh man alexsiB in OG was hard to watch
origin of certified alexib "we go a, no wait we go B, nvm A, finish on b" strats
Dude please make more videos! they’re so good and engaging and the way you break down rounds is very interesting and makes me feel less stupid about a game I love
Plus already watched them all :(
Can’t believe bro missed the random Europeans on Tyloo, Wings Up, Rare Atom and also some cursed Indian team with Guardian
When you said “Obelisk of incompetence” my mind went to your yugioh cards in the frame LOL
NGL the FNAF joke totally got Me. Man, I love that guy
This is easily the most entertaining channel in the CS scene right now.
Please fix the picture in the background lmao, love the videos bro
9:35 your hair made a bullseye on your forehead
You are severely underrated my guy, I was expecting at least 100k subs for this kind of video
Lack of Falcons and ITB in this one
Thanks for not going deeper down that C9 Rabbit hole of mixed teams.... cause holy fuck, did they get mixed after 2018 until the roster was dropped in 2021
love these kinda videos, good editing and you got a good voice
okay but bro! von Steuben was Prussian(german) showing him as french is kinda rough to see ngl :D
Great video tho, sorry for the history nerding xD
okay highkey you're my favourite channel now LOLL
Evil geniuses after 2021 was a freaking disaster
I would be disappointed if you didnt include Splyce Machinegun but it made the cut.
You know ball, subscribed.
Both Halo and Call of Duty have managed to have teams pull off a French North America Fusion.
Ive always played cs but never cared about pro cs but your videos are even for me fun to watch.
So well done! I'm super new to CS so this is not just interesting but als super entertaining! thanks!
I was kind of expecting Homesent to appear but it seems they bombed out of this video too
Love the content broski. Keep it up
Cant wait for another 10 parts
Hey just found ur channel, and love the content. Keep up the great cs content and hope ur channel has success in the future.
5:28 this got me so hard xD
I have no idea about current day CS esports but I was thoroughly entertained regardless. Fine dining editing.
Imo heaviest trainwreck in CS eSports is Tyloo. From a team with heavy hitters at a time with Bntet and xcurrate they became non existent. I mean they were always present at the major at that time. Nowadays they are struggling in tier 4.
I love how the start of the video talks about NA CS.
then in EPL S20 we get Complexity, M80, and Liquid doing quite well in recent months
All 3 are international teams though.
Are they doing well? Liquid has three major winners, JKS, and a rookie playing out of his mind and they're roughly performing at a Top 15ish level. They haven't really had any impressive victories, Yekindar looks to be reverting to his terrible version again, and Twistzz is going to see his numbers drop over time the more he has to invest in IGLing (like we've seen with device on Astralis).
If you replaced Ultimate with Cadian, and rewind back six months, this roster would be getting flamed for not being a Top 5 team. And Ultimate is outplaying Cadian so hard it's laughable. If they weren't coming off of such a drought in form, Twistzz would be getting slated for underperforming with this team.
Complexity is one tilt-fest away from Hallzerk strangling an admin, and M80 still needs to play against some top teams before we can judge where they're at.
@@2639theboss coping
@@2639theboss there is only one major winner which is twist lol. not a bad argument though
@@Ryan-sr8fg Youre totally right. Yekindar left Outsiders right before they won, and NAF (and Liquid) somehow won a Grand Slam without winning a single major.
I think the point still stands, but ill fix my comment.
I came from your channel of Yugi, subscribed here automatically (:
funny that you didnt mention the complexity roster of:
blameF (passive player)
jks (passive player)
coldzera (passive player)
es3tag (jack of all trades, master of mid)
allu (bot/god)
I mean, g2 french super team should be in this conversation, if not for the fact that someone managed to fuck up a kennyS, apEx, shox, NbK and bodyyy core
Was hella funny to watch😂😂
one you could mention lately is Falcons, yeah theyre all tier one players from the infinite money glitch they got, but the rosters are so weird
more uploadssss loving it
Love your stuff brother
Crazy how this dude has a channel for both of my main hobbies truly the greatest yugituber 😂
5:24 MAN, YOU'RE A GENIUS, HAHAHAHA
NiP and Fnatic should be honorable mentions tbh
Obviously to recent now but with the deranged roster moves they're making astralis is one day gonna make this list. ("I see myself in this role for many years to come")
stewie single handedly carrying every NA victory on his back /hj
Yeah C9 after Stew and Tarik left was hard to watch. It's kinda cool that I got to see TenZ and Zellsis live before Valorant was a thing though.
mibr free6, O Plano 2021, Furia 2023, mibr 2023, 00nation w/fer, and many others
A list without Envyus? U sure about that one?
Where is evil geniuses? that team cs management was amazing
NiP ever since like 2017 probably deserves some recognition
Man, NAVI today for me was cursed roster in my conception
8k subs? Wtf this video is so good
Wasn’t splice also rogue at one point or were they a different org
Great video, this was fun.
remember the Friberg helmed OpTic squads being hyped? Pepperidge Farm remembers
can't believe you didn't even give a honorable mention to Liquid shox
After multiple years of life being CS fan, I have just realize I was a only OG CS fan...
Bro would love to see a video on the best match of CS ever played, IEM cologne 22 finals navi vs faze! Would be hype!
Wow Joel was like IBP I saw what you did but let me one up you 😂
Sometimes I forgot TSM have CS2 team
Misfits did make a major tho don’t forget that
I would argue that the first ever faze line up should not be here, faze decided to get the first ever international line up that got to the top 10 in the rankings and that got top 4 in a major while playing on g2. So i dont think its fair to be considered as random team of old dudes they got, their core was together for more than a year (kinguin 2015 - G2 2015-16 - Faze 2016)
I am also biased since i am portuguese and fox playing in that team was the peak of our scene untill recent saw
im honestly surprised you havent mentioned NIPs current (and previous post get_right) rosters
BRO c9 post Eleague is traumatizing for a c9 fan LMAO, please a seperate segment for them please lololol
You mention many teams trying and failing to Moneyball a roster, but you make a video about mousesports who managed to build a tournament winning budget international team in 2018. Maybe analyze the differences between these failed projects and mousesports 2018. Would be interesting!
I would put Falcons on the part 2, because they wasted a lot of money on former major winners and didnt achieve nothing, and now they benched their best player, Sunpayus to get a retired S1mple
Valve, please PLEASE bring back the official fantasy leagues. The 3 or so majors that had a PickEm trophy were the peak of my enjoyment as a spectator of CS. I know they swapped to the new case method of getting signatures, but fuck that method. Give us an option to just buy the signatures again.
I used to play on a team with Chr1zn before he came this far, and honestly he was the best kid i had ever had the pleasure of playing with, he is insanely clever and just a good player. I hope people will give him a chance
you forgot the entire existence of UK counter-strike somehow (and Nemiga)
I'm not here for the cypher disrespect
And here I am expecting at least one of the NIP iteration to be on this video.
At least the most recent one with alex.
alex has just been benched for an academy team player (Mistem)
finally a cs channel that actually knows his shit
NIP, fnatic, GenG.
But really, that misfits run is crazy. Thats when EPL was still NA and EU so they had an easier in to playoff groups too right?
Tsm, really? That spot was booked for EG with their three American rosters