My Personal NES Broke! I Have to Try & Save it!
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My Personal NES Broke! When I try to play a game all I get is a blinking red light and nothing on the screen. I've only worked on a few of these before so definitely not an expert at this. I start by taking it apart and cleaning the 72-pin connector but, of course, I find other things to work on as well.
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I like the old console repairs. Keeping them alive one unit at a time.
There is something really satisfying about fixing this old stuff.
@@Tronicsfix luv it bro
@@Tronicsfix things were made to last unlike today, made to die after warranty so we buy new ones.
Same here
Even fine grit sandpaper is very harsh on contacts. I've found the best method is just to use a sheet of paper. Works great for cleaning carbon pads on controllers as well.
Just to let you know you don't have to clean off the DeOxit. It leaves a contact lubricant and protector behind. Also they make a DeOxit specially for gold plated contacts.
For those who do not know - this is why pins are covered in gold, so that one would not need to sand them every once in a while.
And for the love of god, if they are gold plated DON'T use sandpaper.
@@j.f.christ8421 most probably it's brass
Harshest thing i use on the contact pins is a drafting eraser.
@@lyianx those white drafting erasers work like a charm. Used them many a time for cleaning contacts.
@@klorslug you’re talking about that white rectangular eraser ?
Need to re-think those transitions, at 7:50 in to the video, my heart genuinely sunk when I thought Steve just casually snapped the board in half! Haha
Thanks for another great video.
great repair steve! I did one of these myself around a year ago.
Dont think I missed the super mario theme at 3:13 :)
10/10 comedy
I did this exact thing to my old childhood NES a few months back. Cleaned it, bent the pins, boiled the connector, clipped the 10NES chip, cleaned all my games (with ipa and pencil erasers, Brasso for the really dirty games). And boy, it works like brand new! So satisfying.
What does that chip lockout bypass achieve? I hadn’t seen that until this video.
What is the purpose of snipping one leg of the chip? Thank you 🤓
@@chriskaprys Nintendo implemented the 10NES chip to prevent unlicensed games from working in the NES. Both the console and the game cartridges have chips that do a sort of handshake and allow the game to be played. If they don't match, the chip tells the system to power cycle ad infinitum (thus, the blinking light). The problem is it's very easy for games with a bit of dirt or corrosion to be read as "incorrect" by the 10NES chip and cause the blinking light. Disabling the chip gets rid of the blinking light issue entirely.
@@froggore52 I see. Sweet. Thanks.
Boiling the connector seems to be the way to go. I have bought some old NES consoles and always boiled the pins for like an hour. After that dried those and then soaked in ipa for some minutes. And after this those consoles worked much much better
Ah the joy of finally being able to relate to a system you're fixing and feeling like, "I can do that!"
I'd never attempt a 3DS, but this makes me want to try making the 2 NES consoles I have laying around work.
I got a “for parts” NES at a thrift store for $18.60. I plugged it in, put a game in, and after a few attempts, it worked just fine. 😅
Sounds like probably the pins were just dirty from being in storage, and trying the game a few times rubbed the dirt off. Nice find!
"The president has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president?" Damn I miss the 80s.
The sandpaper against the pins was like nails on a chalkboard to me, had to mute. Excellent how-to on cleaning these though. The more you know.
Lol, well I'm glad you still liked the cleaning part.
Fixing these is my bread and butter! I don’t agree with the use of sandpaper, but if it’s your console…do what you want 😅
Wow that deoxit/magic eraser method is a total win. Best method I've ever seen! Actually cleans it very well without removing any material. Keep the retros coming!!
Well the magic eraser works like a fine grit sandpaper, so there is a bit of material being removed. But I doubt it's enough to cause any issues.
love the super mario tunes during the testing. Great video as always mate.
FYI the other iFixIt toolkit, the smaller one that has the the tweezers, and phone screen attachments have an extension for the screwdriver that would be plenty long enough to reach the screws for your NES. Love the continuity beep sequence too. Great video!
Hm...that still wasn't enough for me to get my driver into my Sega Saturn when I was disassembling it this morning. I still had to turn to a regular screwdriver to disassemble that.
Years ago I took my nes apart, and bent the pins tighter that hold onto the cart. Now the nes doesn't play if you press the game down once you insert it. It does work if I insert the game and leave it up tho. Works for me!
1000 grit is wet sandpaper and isn't meant to be used dry so it's best to wet it for smoothest effect. You can wet with ISO as well but water works fine.
I had good luck with a cheap NES connector swap. Used fine sandpaper on the cartridges and everything works after 30 years. Your advice is solid as always.
Researching this over the years, I had always heard never snip the '10 chip', never boil your 72 pin, and never use sandpaper. There are a few more cardinal rules, but these are the ones in question. Obviously, to each his own and I'm glad everything worked well for you. Really like your vids, and respect your skill. Cheers from Northern California.
I had this issue cleaning and replacing the part did nothing, so I recurred to the obscure art of boiling the 72 pin connector (had nothing to loose). I put it in boiling water for 5 mins, inserted repeatedly a cartridge while hot, another 5 mins of boiling and then a final cleaning with IPS. And to my surprise, it worked and still does.
Quickest way to get most toaster nesesssss to work is choose a sacrificial cart(preferably cheap with full set of pins), generously coat pins with isoprop (higher % better), push and pull sacrificial cart multiple times, 10 or so. Take cart out and take new cotton swab with isoprop and wipe contacts, notice any black that comes off. Repeat if necessary. Sometimes you do have to manually bend the console's pins out a bit if they're not grabbing. Best thing about this is you may not even have to open the console.
I do the same exact thing and I have 7 nes consoles and they all work great. No death grip from bending the pins. The key is to clean every game that you insert so you don’t re introduce more dirt into the pins too.
@@Darko1226 nice, I've bent pins on a few, and the one I currently use I don't have to push down. I think it's a happy medium between loosey goosey and death grip though haha
@@jmac79ers I’ve bent pins too where I don’t have to push them down but my nostalgia made me stop doing that lol
For the 10NES 4th pin clip, id desolder the chip and add a switch to that pin. There are a few carts that can detect a disabled chip. And it is great for repairs because if it doesn’t blink, that means that the chip and the traces to the chip in the cartridges are good
Interesting. Do you know which carts can detect the disabled chip?
The only cart I know of that does that is the Nintendo World Championship cart. I have never heard if any other carts that do that. So you are full of it.
@@LUCKO2022 idk, I heard about it somewhere.
Fixing my childhood NES back in 2014 sent me on my journey in video game repair!
I'm curious what the logic behind boiling the part with the pins is. I know that weak plastic does not hold up well with heat, I assume that the plastic used in the NES doesn't warp from that, but what about the metal? It seems like a very easy way to cause those parts to rust. Am I way off? What benefit is boiling that part?
Yeah I'm wondering what exactly the goal was there
Learn chemistry?
What was the liquid ??
3:12 this warms my heart
Love seeing these older console fixes. It is fun to see how much more simplistic the components are compared to the newer consoles.
I love how you, so nonchalantly, pulled on those 40yo cables...
One thing about it, old consoles are quite literally built different. They were made in the era when electronics were built to last. They were built to be handled by children, who are not known to be gentle. If you even sneeze on a modern console, something breaks, but you could knock some of those old consoles off a counter top and the only thing that would happen is you MIGHT crack the housing or break the door flap.
@@kattriella1331 or the counter top
Sounds like you got a cold! hope you feel better buddy!
My NES was doing the blinking red light also. On the main board I had to do the same to my lock out pin and it has been working great. Great video sir.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed
lockout pin doesn't make it perform any better. it makes it region free and just doesn't make the power light flash when it's having a problem reading the cartridge. It doesn't increase the chance of your cart reading first try.
@@_BELMONT_ Thanks for explaining this. I was confused about what was going on in the video. Still don't know why the boiling water.
@@_BELMONT_ In my experience there are carts that have JUST enough dirt on them to trigger the lockout, but once the chip is disabled they work perfectly.
Great work, happy to see it start OK, internals definitely making perfect connections after that pin bending and all the cleaning 😁👍
Love the NES. Super easy to fix just about anything on it and with minimal upkeep it will last probably longer than it's owner.
I've got two OG Nes systems and yeah keeping them up & running "compared to modern systems" is rather easy compared to modern hardware. Also there is only a single RF shield/sheet under the motherboard, so you're not missing anything. Lastly while it's trial and error, make sure the screws are not to loose or to tight. The cartridge tray will not be fully come down correctly making contacts with the pins an issue.
Regardless great repair work as always, keep up the good work!!
you should advertise your videos as repair guides, you sure as hell can help some people
I used to to that on my early videos...those don't get nearly as many views as this style of video so this is what I've stuck with
I like the Mario sound 3:35
Great video I especially love the fact that that's your own NES.
I do a lot of NES repairs and I personally think disabling the lockout chip isn't a great idea. Here's why: it allows a somewhat sketchy connection with the cartridge to proceed to the title screen and run. So instead of encountering the flashing and re-seating the cart to fix it, you end up having a crash in like level 3 of the game you're playing.
Thats not the reason to disable it though, it allow you to play PAL and JAP famicom games (with an adapter)
This somewhat makes sense but the underlying assumption is that a poor connection on the CIC pins implies a poor connection on other pins, which isn't necessarily true (but may often be).
A pencil eraser also works very well to clean the connectors
I'm not a big fan of jumping right to sand paper. Pencil eraser, magic eraser or a fiberglass pen or just metal polish are way more gentle for this stuff.
Just threw a refurbished 72 pin connector in mine. Works first try almost every time.
Someone's definitely been in there before, there's supposed to be an rf shield on top of the whole thing when you take the top cover off, by the looks of it it's missing on yours because all the screws that hold it in place were already screwed in with the thing missing.
The crunch sound of the 72 pin connector going into place is so satisfying that’s a ultimate asmr moment 9:24
I use car headlight polish to clean edge connectors, Works great!
I had this problem you can also snip a specific leg on the region lock chip and it works the same
That region free modding can also be done with soldering couple wires to the board. I prefer that method, because it can be undone if needed for collecting reasons or something
Oof, this was hard to watch. Boiling the connector is a good idea but sanding pins and clipping the lockout chip is a no no. The reason your q-tips were so dirty after sanding is because you sanded off the protective layer on the pins. Just use a normal pencil eraser on cart pins and the cart connector pins. Alternatively buy something specifically designed to clean carts and the cart port.
Great video. What does lock out pin do? Also, only tip I know on Bad Dudes is to hold down A and it will charge a super punch. Best of luck beating the top score!
You can play any game even japanese etc
I'm confused or what is a lockout pin and why are you cutting the 4th PIN?
The lockout chip prevents you from playing Japanese Nintendo games (Famicom games) in an American NES. In this video, Steve disables the chip by breaking the connection of one of the pins on the chip. Many American NES games from 1985 actually have Japanese game cartridge boards inside of them, along with Famicom converters, because Nintendo did not have enough American NES game cartridge boards to meet the demand for the upcoming American Christmas holiday season. So basically, they were Famicom games with special converter boards to allow them to be played in an American NES. Gyromite is one of those games. The Famicom cartridges have 60 pins instead of 72 pins. In the American NES, 4 pins are dedicated for the lockout chip.
I put in a blinking light win on my og NES. Absolutely luv it.
when i see your videos, i feels like a new episode of a Netflix series released which i have been waiting for days, love your work🍀
I can’t fix things myself, but I sent my joy cons into Nintendo’s repair center to be fixed instead of buying new ones. Saved me money and now I can keep using my joy cons
say what u want but i like brasso for nes connectors, it works so easily to clean and everything still works great for me
That NES must be the happiest NES ever, having a nice owner who can fix it any time!
My NES went poof the magic smoke years ago, hope to have it fixed one day...... It's a great system :)
Love these TronicsFix vids. They helped me fix so many consoles.
Just a couple of questions about your Nes that i hope you will have time to answer.
Mines a Pal region.
1. I noticed yours has a switch on the power board. What is it for? Mine has a hole in the plastic casing for one but its just blank
2. What is lock out?/Why snip the chip leg?
Thanks in advance 😊
Can't answer the first question but I'm pretty sure the chip is acting kinda like a region lock and it prevents certain games from being played and lifting that pin disables this lock. I think that's what it is. Might wanna fact check me.
@Ven115 I thought that but wasn't too sure and with mine being PAL I wasn't sure if it would be a different pin to snip or tbh not actually having been inside mine if the boards are the same 👍
So I have a NES-07 mother board in my ness do I still need to snip the pin?
Why'd you disable the lockout pin?
Yes! Thanks for making this amazing retro gaming video Steve! Maybe you should fix other gaming consoles like Sega CD, Sega Genesis and among others. Now the game that you played, was released first on arcade then to NES. I recommend to play Japanese games like the Famicom, the NES predecessor
Why did you boil it?
Sandpaper on those console pins? Yes, there is no gold layer on those pins likes games have, but still why did you feel the need to go so drastic with sandpaper? I just use the same cleaners I use for games (Brite Boy & ISO) and they work just fine for those console pins.
All it took was a slight turn of a screw, a few que tips, some solvent, and a reflowed solder joint to make these consoles work!
I'm quite surprised you seem not to know an old trick to clean those contacts without sanding them : A simple rubber ! Try it, you won't regret it ! They'll look as good as new ! ;).
That was cool that you played Mario checking the pins :)
At 7:50 you put this fold transition but my tired brain processed it as you snapping the board in half and I genuinely freaked out for a split second.
A fix I've actually done myself. I replaced the 72 pin connector, big mistake as the after market one I got was even worse. The originals are fine, they just get dirty because the press down action of the NES doesn't result in the cartridge scraping the connector clean.
If you ever feel like modding, you could look into the Blinking Light Win maybe ?
A pencil eraser can be used to clean contacts and toothpaste is also a fine abrasive that can be used for polishing.
Another enjoyable video, Steve! My NES is "playing up", though I haven't been using it for a long time! Thanx for the advice on what to do with it - and, yes, I DID buy another 72 pin connector, just in case!
I have the 64bit ifixit kit and honestly. I use it for more than pc building and taking apart some of my handhelds. My family comes to me often wanting to borrow it lol
I love seeing how the legacy is kept alive, those consoles that entertained us 30 years ago deserve to be in perfect working order... And why not our children continue the legacy
There is a kit from Walmart that's called hypertuff. The green ones come with an extension that would fit down in those holes.
Somewhere John Riggs is having a heart attack looking at you using sandpaper instead of bright boy to clean it.
Leave the deoxit residue. It's protective and anticorrosive. Removing with IPA (which attracts water) is counter productive. Just wipe the excess with a clean cloth
Sure, IPA is hygroscopic but when you use it for cleaning it evaporates so quickly that it doesn't have time to attract any water. I'll have to look into leaving the Deoxit residue. I hadn't heard that.
You can actually remove the edge connector for the cartridge slot if you need to do maintenance.
There's a great new replacement available for the 72 pin connector called the blinking light win.
Page flip edit @7:51 had me thinking he went Hulk on the board
I did this a few times on my og NES then just decided to buy ready light mod and replaced the entire pin connector and haven't had any problems since
What have you told us about pulling the plugs wires!! Also Bad dudes was the third game I've played when I bought my NES! Everything looks amazing, great job!
Keep the retro console fixes coming!!
Awesome as always, just curious, what was the purpose of putting the 72 pin conector in boiling water?
Probably to clean it good but I'd be afraid of putting plastic in boiling water
Bad Dudes was one of my fav games growing up.
Honestly with the blinking light at the front I'm wondering if all you even needed to do was defeat the lockout chip. Since you were connecting it to an HDTV the TV won't immediately respond when you attach it to a video source, meaning you won't be able to see the game flashing on and off with each blink like you could on a CRT.
It depends on the TV I have an old HD Flat screen that has AV connections and you can see the games flash as the machine blinks.
I would recommend leaving the deoxit on the pins for future use
You can not apply the perfect amount of thermal paste here 🤣 Great video 👍
I'd love to see you try a few case mods. Maybe a cool paint job and some internal lights. I know that is about as much your area as building lego cases is but hey its all in fun and I know viewers would definitely tune in. And by the way,love the work you do. I am learning a lot I didnt know which will help my skill level improve.
Blinking red light, adjust the pins. Worked for me 99 out of 100 times
Man, i am a fan of your work! but... i think use sandpaper on this contact is a terrible mistake. You will destroi the zinc-chome protectection and your contacts will oxidate much faster than you think... will be much better acean with arklothene or similar anda them, to last even more, use Deox-it or similar, with fast dry...
i have fond memories of being about 10 trying to fix my NES. great vid
Sandpaper is a big no-no for me. I'd look into alternatives.
we always used a rubber eraser to clean oxidation off of the pads
I like to wrap the sandpaper over a credit card or something and inset into connector a couple times.
I use baking soda water and a toothbrush to clean my games works like a champ
Hopefully this helps me fix mine thats broken. Thank you so much!
Deoxit did a great job on that catridge !
Had to replace the Pins on nes recently too
Glad to see you used the perfect amount of deoxit.
I have fixed the nes more times than any other console, I swear by boiling the 72pin connector. The pins most of the time go back to their original position and it gets it super clean with no work. Ive never had anything melt, water doesn't have the ability to get infinitely hot under normal pressure.
It's been so long since I last opened an NES console and I wish I had those tools to use when I was 12 yo doing this repair.
I would have just call the warranty repair line on the sticker.
Man i have tried this exact same thing probably 3 different times with mine and it STILL blinks and is sensitive. Think i need to bend them with a dental pick now, sand those contacts, and then scrub the oxidation off the pins more this time tho
Another life for an old console. Great!
Currently doing a full shell swap on a switch lite and a shell swap on a switch oled. And the i repaired the joysticks on the switch lite. All with ifixit tools.
i thought for a little moment you started a new section in the channel called TronicsCook 🤣 8:19
Lol!