James White uses all the texts, and understands the issues. He knows his stuff. You cannot often change those who have fearfully fallen into KJVO argumentation. But you can find out and study the Bible with care and understanding of the historical knowledge of the manuscripts, etc.
Instead of trusting what a man says. Pick up a AKJV and compare and if you are a true believer in Christ by grace and faith, you yourself will see the corruption of the others text. Put the Holy Bible(KJV) as authority and not history or archeology. But the WORD. Many are deceived because of a lack of knowledge. Compare scripture w scripture.
+ Tami Gruis "Instead of trusting what a man says." Isn't that what YOU are doing? "Pick up a AKJV and compare and if you are a true believer in Christ by grace and faith, you yourself will see the corruption of the others text. I hate to break it to you - but you are simply lying, using the lies you have been taught by a corrupt and probably demonic false cult. "Put the Holy Bible(KJV) as authority" WHY? It's is a corrupt and imperially-mandated perversion of corrupted and Catholic text - created from 6 partial texts, d the missing bits filled in by imagination, the catholic vulgate and priests sermon notes. "and not history or archeology." Typical of the ignorance of the KJ cultist - History and Archeology are the GREATEST possible way to KNOW what God gave the church in its early days. Facts and REALITY are anathema to those cultists who hide behind an appearance of GOD while replacing his WORD with their traditions. NO possible way could that come from a corrupt sodomite king - using partial and corrupted catholic text assembled by a Catholic theologian and dedicated to a Catholic POPE - to be His accuracy Word for today. Its dozens and dozens of errors PROVE its NOT from God. "But the WORD. Many are deceived because of a lack of knowledge." YUP =- YOIU certainly are! "Compare scripture w scripture. " OR in your case - corrypeytd scripture with the tyerachgings ofd your cult . . .
@@paulrobinson9318 the KJV is corrupt?! Lol could you say the same about NIV??! ESV? NASB? NASV? NLT? NKJV?? Please the list goes on and I’d like to put a big fact check mark beside you and try it on all these based on ………. The Greek? Which one? Septuagint? TR? The critical text? Which one please and then give me more inside on why should I believe a manuscript found in Egypt 200 years after AV1611 that is missing verses but yet it’s the “ Oldest “ and it’s more “ reliable “ because of its “ dating “ and yet ….. now we aren’t sure what Jesus really said as Bart Ehrman said and then WASCOT AND HORT WERE PRAISED BY POPE …… YET THE SAME CHURCH WHO KILLED TYNDALE AND john Wyncliff for trying translate the same Bible into English ….. please !!!! (:
Thanks soo much James for this, it clarifies a lot. I was confused in the past that names will be taken out of the "book of life" (NKJ. Rev chap 22) as it was in contrast with Rev 3:5. Now it all makes sense when I look at all the modern translations. God's Love:)
You display your ignorance for all to see. Don't you know that the Alexandrian Cult has infected all modern English bibles with crap? Infant baptism is ok, the Trinity is a myth and Jesus was not God manifest in the flesh according to the modern counterfeit counter-reformation pseudo-bibles. Wake up.
Peter NOT Grace, your ignorance is for all to see. There was no Alexandrian Cult, and you are cultist to promote such false teaching. There were a few very good early church leaders from Alexandria, and some heretics from Byzantine ruled regions.
+ Peter Grace "You display your ignorance for all to see. Don't you know that the Alexandrian Cult has infected all modern English bibles with crap? Infant baptism is ok, the Trinity is a myth and Jesus was not God manifest in the flesh according to the modern counterfeit counter-reformation pseudo-bibles." Like many KJO cultist - you are lying. The trinity only ONLY destroyed by the KJB, taking BOTH the deity of Jesus and the personage of the HS OUT of the KJB. Without them being both divine and persons, the trinity id impossible. ua-cam.com/video/dJEgSCUGOCY/v-deo.html Your statement is a total lie - the modern ACCURATE Bibles DEFEND what the KJB destroys; you claim THEY destroy it. False. You don't realize the KJB 1611 - contained the Apocrypha - the foundation for Purgatory - the KJ could NOT be inspired because such verses were Included into it - verses that blaspheme the gospel - and then 100 years later they took these "inspired" books out. It was used to support Infant baptism, and the divine right of kings - "GOD save the King" was never in any original text - OR any other Bible ever. It's hard to believe anyone is saved that lies so frequently to promote a Bible that was poorly translated from corrupt Catholic texts, and destroys so many important Christian doctrines
@@petergrace7356 Except everything you said is wrong. The modern English Bibles have nothing to do with any Alexandrian Cult. Yes, EVERYTHING you just said is wrong. You have believed a delusion. James White talks about each of these topics in his book.
I personally love the KJV and Russian Synodal version, both based on TR. I use them as main text for Bible study. One sad observation I made about the KJVO people: they come across as arrogant and refuse to reason. They don't listen carefully and dont accept when they are corrected. That's very sad. 1Pet 3:15 tells us to give a reasoned defense of the hope within us with a spirit of reverence and respect. I wish Christian brothers would take to heart the advice from the Scriptures to be Quick to Hear, Slow to words, Slow to anger.
I am a KJVO and I agree. I used to believe the lies James White told and I have done my own research and have come out KJVO. But, on my journey it was incredibly frustrating because most KJVO (in my opinion) do little research themselves. In fact, if someone was actually kind to me when I got curious about why they believed such things it would make it a lot easier. I found myself staying away from such beliefs just because of how they were. I try my best to inform others in kindness and understanding because I know how it is to deal with them.
+@@IWasGivenRest "I have done my own research and have come out KJVO." What research have you done - and who were the authors of that research - I'd bet they are KJO propagandist - NOT a scholar among them - and like to many - the abhor study, textual evidence and reality - they teach lies heresy and false prophesy - and you lap it up uncritically. YOU provide 5 facts they taught you - and I will prove 4 of them are lies. - Take the challenge . . . "But, on my journey it was incredibly frustrating because most KJVO (in my opinion) do little research themselves." And you are NOT a whit better - I would be surprised if any ONE of those you read in your "study" know the first thing about the Bible's meanings or origin - the texts that underlie it etc - Riplinger for example has a lie per paragraph - and YOU probably think she isd educated and intelligent - she's neither. YOU cannot find a KJO cults that understands the scriptures. Your response is exactly what this fellow was talking about - "One sad observation I made about the KJVO people: they come across as arrogant and refuse to reason. They don't listen carefully and dont accept when they are corrected. That's very sad. " KJO cultists are ignorant of scripture, arrogant, deceived, obnoxious and spiritually incoherent. YOU CANNOT study and become a KJO cultist - Study takes you AWAY from a fake gospel and corrupted texts. Evidence proves the KJ to be a terribly corrupted text from a terribly corrupted Catholic text - one dedicated to Pope Leo X - AND you accept it as inspired - Hilarious. YOU cannot find a single fault in Whites teaching on the Greek and Hebrew texts - or the KJB - that is black and white pardon the pun - His CALVINISM - that's another story and NOT black and white. Calling him a liar proved how little you know . . . He has taken on the best KJO cultists - and made them admit - without exception - the corruption of their Bible. ONLY Ruckman gets past White - by claiming all the errors in the KJB - which he does NOT deny - are NEW REVELATION. - heresy and damnable lies.
@@paulrobinson9318 How many times are you going to bear false witness of me and call me a liar/cultist? I would hope that you would know that is against scripture. If you haven't noticed you have consistently done this and have been utterly prideful and rude just because I disagree... And you honestly think I don't debate you because I don't have an answer? Anyone with a little common sense and a open mind could tell you that is unreasonable. You know nothing about me and dare to call me a liar because of your idea that someone cannot research this topic and become a believer of God preserving his Word? Unbelievable.
@@IWasGivenRestWhat did you research? YoU are illiterate about Greek and Hebrew - from the trash you talk I'd guess you read Gipp and Riplinger - two well documented liars . . . and call that studying. YOU cannot prove that ONE statment of Whites is false or wrong much less a lie - so you HAVE proven YOURSELF to be a liar yet again.
+ Isaiah 55:6YOU have lied repeatedly! " How many times are you going to bear false witness of me and call me a liar/cultist?" How about when you stop lying? " If you haven't noticed you have consistently done this and have been utterly prideful and rude just because I disagree... " YOU don't just disgree - you are deceived - and you call anyone attempting to rescue you or provide you with Spiritual, honest, scholarship a liar. I have NOT been prideful - I was almost lost because of that cult you have willingly joined - I am PASSIONATE - it's part of your cult that you misread that as prideful. Spiritual superiority and arrogance allows you to make that mistake. Prideful about WHAT? Defending White, who I disagree with on so many issues, but who is 100% correct on his Greek and Hebrew studies and teaching, and whom you call a liar? "And you honestly think I don't debate you because I don't have an answer? Anyone with a little common sense and a open mind could tell you that is unreasonable. " I KNOW why you won't debate or even answer rationality. I taught you the REALITY of the Hebrew misquoted in the KJB from Psalm 12: 6 and 7 - you refuse to even attempt to comprehend the basics of Biblical study because it destroys your deceiving cult. AT least you can show me where my Hebrew Grammar is wrong IF you are correct - and IF you cannot show that - you have NOTHING to support your lies of a preserved word. And IF there WAS a preserved word - it is assuredly NOT the KJB, OR any of the 30 the TR's that contradict each other . . . with all its Catholic insertions and corruptions. " You know nothing about me and dare to call me a liar " I call you a liar because of what you wrote - it's all I KNOW about you. "because of your idea that someone cannot research this topic and become a believer of God preserving his Word?" NO ONE who researches the subject with an honest heart becomes a KJO cultist - this board is full of those that have studied and left the cult - me being ONE! The KJO cult's teachings are anti-Biblical, anti-scholarship, anti historical and anti-Protestant. YOU are guilty of all. Even the pillars of the KJO cult - like Moorman - cannot justify the corruption of the KJB. When White pointed out several passages to MOORMAN in the English debate (in England) and asked if the text should be changed to fix the errors - he declined and resorted to Ruckmanism - NO they are given by GOD, even IF they are wrong. ua-cam.com/video/bbQLAavs7Hw/v-deo.html SUCH is the KJO cult's way of dealing with facts. " Psalm 12: 5 “Because of the violence done to the oppressed, because of the painful cries of the needy, I will spring into action,” says the Lord. “I will provide the safety they so desperately desire.” 6 The Lord’s words are absolutely reliable. They are as untainted as silver purified in a furnace on the ground, where it is thoroughly refined. 7 You, Lord, will protect them; you will continually shelter each one from these evil people," "tn The third person plural pronominal suffix on the verb is masculine, referring back to the “oppressed” and “needy” in v. 5 (both of those nouns are plural in form), suggesting that the verb means “protect” here. The suffix does not refer to אִמֲרוֹת (ʾimarot, “words”) in v. 6, because that term is feminine gender."
I am not a fan of James White. Having said this, left me say that he has the most profound understanding of textual transmission and the history of the Bible that I have ever heard! When he teaches on this subject, you would be wise to pay close attention. This video, along with his debate on Revelation TV, and his book "The King James Only Controversy" have radically enhanced my understanding of textual criticism. Well done James! Give God the praise.
+guitaoist After watching James on his dividing line the other day, I have since pulled away from him. I have always believed that he was neutral, but he showed a very confused and contradictory argument against the Byzantine manuscript tradition. While I supported James White as a solid scholar in the field of textual criticism; I regard him as such no more! His frail attempt to disprove the KJV was utterly foolish. I am not a KJV onlyist, but I will always believe the KJV to be the most trustworthy English translation. James White has totally cast off all reliance on the Holy Spirit in matters of Bible interpretation. I am done with the issue of textual criticism. I will stick with the TR and continue my studies in that direction. I formally recant any support for the CT from this day forward.
Many of us have come to opposite conclusions. Hmmm..... We are serving God. We are students of the Bible. Hey, have any of you KJVO fold ever lived more than a year in another country? That might help. Seriously learn another language, and/or become a student of real Greek or Hebrew learning. I think you might then get it. But also , the historical and grammar study of the Scriptures has always been the way to get close to God and his word.
Isn't it true, according to the instructions to the translators, that the Bishop's Bible was the primary basis for the KJV rather than a direct fresh translation from the available original language texts? In other words, is the KJV merely a materially revised Bishop's Bible? 1. The ordinary Bible, read in the church, commonly called the Bishop’s Bible, to be followed, and as little altered as the original will permit. 14. These translations to be used when they agree better with the text than the Bishop’s Bible, viz. Tyndale’s, Coverdale’s, Matthew’s, Witchurch’s(Great Bible),* Geneva.”
YUP - just made the Bishops/Geneva the state Bible after adding in all the excesses of the state church, and ensuring the Divine Right of Kings replaced the Geneva admonition to kick out a corrupt king. Being a sodomite, the King wasn't all that popular and needed some assurance he would remain in power. His appeal to the Privy Council about his sodomy referenced Christ and John and from that established his right to his perversion. His successor used that Divine Righht to slaughret or enslave almost a million irish
I am a Pentecostal Christian now before everyone shout herecy I am not a spaceman I really love Jesus and The Word Of God James White is a 5 point Calvinist so obviously doctrinely we are worlds apart However I remember being given a chick tract and some crusader comics published by Jack Chick I became a KJV only advocate because I automatically believed that someone who would do such a wonderful job publishing these marvelous gospel tracts would have it right eventually Jack Chick reverted all his efforts on Exposing Roman Catholics and modern versions of the Bible a Spirit of fear came over me I was so scared that I was not hearing from God it had a major affect on my relationship with the Lord James White makes sense and even though our doctrines differ I can relax and believe what I read in other decent versions
+Clint Thurman ok I will take your word for it however I can't see how that works because one point if Tulip confirms the rest so I would be interested is knowing which point he doesn't support
If I said to you verily verily, I agree with you. But I know longer speak the Kings English. I would rather say truly truly. Do you still say verily verily when speaking.
There is nothing Biblical of what James White says on this issue. Your Bible alone tells you that the Alexandrian Manuscripts are not God's word. The Bible states that God will preserve his word and he gives you the exact place on where they will come from. Do you know where it says they will come from? Antioch and Jerusalem (Where the TR and MR and many others came from). The Alexandrian Manuscripts came from Alexandria (Egypt) and Rome (The two places known for wickedness and twisting the scriptures). Anyone who holds God higher than man, I suggest reading your Bible on the subject and not some dishonest twisting of facts. I am happy to help anyone who will kindly and respectfully respond. God bless.
+John 3:16 YOU are simply lying . . . no nice word for it. Lie number 1 - "There is nothing Biblical of what James White says on this issue. " Lie Number 2 - "Your Bible alone tells you that the Alexandrian Manuscripts are not God's word." Lie number 3 - "The Bible states that God will preserve his word " Lie Number 4 - "and he gives you the exact place on where they will come from." I think anyone lying 4 times in ONE paragraph can accurately be called a liar. NOW note that I understand you made up NONE of those lies yourself - and you may honestly believe them to be correct - BUT all 4 are lies - lies you have been taught by other liars. GIPP Riplinger and others teach these lies based on utter ignorance of scripture. Let's look at your false claim of a preserved Scripture - which I will presume you base on Psalms 12 6 & 7 Accurately translated the passage reads like this: "5 “Because of the violence done to the oppressed, because of the painful cries of the needy, I will spring into action,” says the Lord. “I will provide the safety they so desperately desire.” 6 The Lord’s words are absolutely reliable. They are as untainted as silver purified in a furnace on the ground, where it is thoroughly refined. 7 You, Lord, will protect them; you will continually shelter each one from these evil people, 8 for the wicked seem to be everywhere, when people promote evil. " NOW - in verse 7 - you assume that THEM refers to the Words of the Lord. This is impossible and is a terrible translation - accurate Bibles often use US (equally as accurate as THEM) - making the possibility of a reference to WORDS impossible. IN fact, the original Hebrew also makes the preservation of the WORDS impossible - what is preserved is PEOPLE. This is first-year Hebrew stuff - NOT rocket science - those that claim Psa 12 teaches the preservation of scripture are simply illiterate of the Scriptures. "tn The third person plural pronominal suffix on the verb is masculine, referring back to the “oppressed” and “needy” in v. 5 (both of those nouns are plural in form), suggesting that the verb means “protect” here. The suffix does not refer to אִמֲרוֹת (ʾimarot, “words”) in v. 6, because that term is feminine gender. tn Heb “you will protect him from this generation permanently.” The third masculine singular suffix on the verb “protect” is probably used in a distributive sense, referring to each one within the group mentioned previously (the oppressed/needy, referred to as “them” in the preceding line). On this grammatical point see GKC 396 §123.f (where the present text is not cited). (Some Hebrew mss and ancient textual witnesses read “us,” both here and in the preceding line.) The noun דוֹר (dor, “generation”) refers here to the psalmist’s contemporaries, who were characterized by deceit and arrogance (see vv. 1-2). See BDB 189-90 s.v. for other examples where “generation” refers to a class of people.
@@paulrobinson9318 God bless you. Sorry, but I as a man cannot help someone like you at all, since you find it fit to trust in man more than the Holy Spirit and his Word. Thank you for taking the time but all I can do in this case is pray. Take care. Romans 3:4 - God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
+@@IWasGivenRest Really? "@Paul Robinson God bless you." That's better than I get from many KJO cultists when I challenge their mythology. "Sorry, but I as a man cannot help someone like you at all, " I realize that - because I have actually studied the Bible - taught in Bible college - pastored etc - you act like an 18 years old kid who knows nothing about the Bible apart from some book you read and NOW you are an expert. "since you find it fit to trust in man more than the Holy Spirit and his Word. " And again you intentionally lie. I take the Bible as GOD wrote it. YOU do NOT you twist it into what GOD never said - to prove your cults theology. I pointed out to you that GOD WROTE thru David that he would preserve PEOPLE - NOT words in Psalms 12:6 & 7 - you trust the false opinion of some man - I do NOT - rather than reading the Bible as it is written - and looking up the use of words GOD gave; YOU accept what some man says about what GOD says - I'll stick with the Words of GOD as GOD wrote them YOU must have an inspired KJB to support your cult - and GOD only wrote ONE Bible - the originals - everything else is a translation - and NO translation is perfect. NOR did God anywhere ever promise you a perfet Bible past the original writings. "Thank you for taking the time but all I can do in this case is pray. Take care." YOU are a blatant hypocrite - you lie like a cheap rug - and then refuse to support the lies you have told. "Romans 3:4 - God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. ": Or accurately translated: "3 What then? If some did not believe, does their unbelief nullify the faithfulness of God? 4 Absolutely not! Let God be proven true, and every human being shown up as a liar, just as it is written: “so that you will be justified in your words and will prevail when you are judged.” " YOU have been shown to be a liar - your insinuation that I have lied is just another of your lies - your inability to present ANY evidence to support your lies - while inferring I am a liar is inexcusable, unscriptural and unmanly. YOU are required by the Word of GOD to be able to give a defense for your belief - you obviously cannot. When challenged - like the Mormons and JW's at my door - you run when you meet someone that knows a lot more about what you think you believe than you really do. Someone who has escaped your cult. Just another cultist.
Santa Escritura there are 27 ways to say the word "the" in Greek, English bibles only say "the". English is not the word of God because English didnt exist when the prophets were writing. Jim Browns channel discusses it very in depth, as does mine:)
I have to say..I would not use the KJV only if i could find another one which does not take away from the divinity of Jesus.. if a bible says But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment...then I do not use that bible as Jesus was often angry and there fore a sinner.. but the KJV says if your angry for no reason..that makes Jesus not a sinner.. a woman actually said to me ...what difference does it make if Jesus was a sinner.. that cuts out many bibles.. Then I remove all bibles that say ..For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, not just because it takes away the divinity of Jesus but is also wrong.. God calls Adam his son.. but the KJV says..His only begotten son.. so there go more bibles because God says his word is pure.. so it can not be wrong . Then I dump any bible that calls Joseph the father of Jesus .and calls Mary a young girl instead of a virgin as proclaimed in the OT.. lots of bibles fall on their face there..The NIV reads "It is written in Isaiah the prophet: I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way-a voice of one calling in the desert, Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him." It is NOT written in Isaiah! So that is a very large error..Now here is the thing.. I found thousands of mistakes in the fake bibles and that ugly habit of changing words just to get the copyright destroys the flow of the bible...Even though I walk through the deep dark valley is not sound like .. Yea though I walk through the valley of death..but at least they changed a few words there.. and changing words like whale to giant sea creature.. you know anything for a copyright.. So when you find a bible that does not destroy the divinity of Jesus or call him a liar or a sinner..well then maybe I will read that book.. but so far.. oh and I do not believe for a minute that any real Christian will not defend the word of God.. they know.. and are wolves in sheep's clothing..no matter how smart they sound or what spin they put on things..and here is one reason why...The NIV Samuel 21:19, ". . . Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod." What 8-year-old doesn't know that David killed Goliath?
I'm short on time right now, so I'll try to point out the rest of your mistakes later, but the one about Goliath is pretty easy to solve. Who's to say there wasn't more than one guy named Goliath? I know more than one guy named Steve, Jim, Jack, and a bunch of other names. Why shouldn't that be true for the name Goliath? David slew Goliath of Gath, Elhanan slew Goliath the Gittite. Does Gath and Gittite sound the same to you?
The ONE difference between the KJV and ALL other Bibles is the source texts and who supports them. ALL modern Bibles use texts supported by the wicked Roman Catholic Church who is a murderer and a deceiver. That in and of itself is MORE than enough reason to stick with the KJV and the TR.
Odd, James White keeps referring to the originals; even worse, he presumes to magically know the text that underlies the AV1611, preposterous! Understand this, when James White presumes to correct the AV1611 with the originals or even what he assumes to be the text the translators employed, shows his complete ignorance of the the Antoch stream of Bibles!
It can be known. FHA Scrivener reconstructed a good chunk of it - and what he couldn't reconstruct was because in those places the underlying text was not in Greek at all, but Latin.
Not sure what your point is here, what can be known? Have you ever read the Translators to the Reader? The new bibles have comments on every page correcting the traditional bibles passed down from generation to generation, claiming the LXX is the better text. You do realize that the comments on every page about better texts is directly attacking the AV stream of Bibles! Oddly, the AV translators state in the Translators the Reader that they reject the LXX because it is full of errors. I guess, it is a matter of who you believe, the Greek philosophers or the translators that were 500 years closer to the originals. I find it interesting the AV translators rejected the text that the Greek philosophers embrace. If I did not have the traditional bible and had to rely on the rewritten bible based on 4 texts that do not agree from verse to verse; claiming, to be 1500 years old based on handwriting analysis, not current scientific technology, I would not trust God's word. Here are three examples: Micah 5:2 Jesus is eternal not old, from ancient days. Philippians 2:5 Jesus is equal with God not unable to grasp. Luke 2:22 Per the Torah, only Mary required days of purification, not they. Furthermore, copies of the bible were written in several languages, the idea that the Greek is the master of all copies is ludicrous. When I began my walk with Jesus Christ, I had not read the bible; thus, I believe, as the AV translators believe, the inferior LXX is sufficient to learn God's word. Given this, I agree with the AV translators on what is the better text and I trust them. Fortunately, I gave up on my NIV several years ago and have diligently studied the AV, this has been a blessing, given, the depth of consistency. Every Sunday and during weekly bible studies with friends, they read their bibles and I follow along in my AV, with 65,000 differences between the two streams, it is obvious God preserved His Word and did not hide it in the sands of Egypt for 1500 years.
Except they didn't reject the LXX... there are several places, most notably Psalm 8.5a, where they absolutely used the LXX or something like it (such as the Gallican Psalter) instead of the Hebrew. (In this case the KJV has "For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels"; as evidenced by Jerome's own translation from Hebrew, the correct reading should have, as the ERV of 1885 has, "For thou hast made him but little lower than God". Fault the ERV New Testament as you may, they were often more accurate to the Masoretic Hebrew than the KJV in the Old.)
If we had the exact texts that the AV translators employed, FHA Scrivener would not have needed to attempt to reverse engineer their work, your opinion is pure speculation. Fortunately, we do have the Translators to the Reader; of which, clearly states their position concerning the LXX, there is no need for speculation.
We DO have the "exact texts". Scrivener merely went through those texts and determined, for each passages, which specific "exact texts" was the one they chose. Occasionally he failed to find a match in Greek, and the reason is because in those places they weren't using the Greek in the first place, but the Vulgate Latin.
IDK This is false, he wrote it in 1995, between 1815 and 1975 it was estimated that 5 billion bibles were printed and sold. In 1995, a new translation came out The Good News Version and was estimated to have sold over 18 million alone.
Jsnakeyes 21 First off, nothing good about a Catholic bible, secondly, how is it false that the sales were going down because of what was going down in 1815-1975 ? Doesn't make sense. So uh
IDK First off no one said anything about a catholic Bible, James White has had numerous debates against catholics. Secondly, you said he wrote it because the sales were going down. Well considering it was written in 1995 and Bible sales have only gone up between those two dates shows thats not accurate, how could he have written it to help sales when sales were doing just fine at the year it was written.
Jsnakeyes 21 Yes no one said anything about the catholic bible. That's why you can stand to defend them. The new versions, are VATICAN versions. They use the Catholics greek text, the Nestles text. It contains, and so do the bibles that come from it, confession of sins, verses attacking grace through faith, etc. A certain man who you MAY or may NOT know AND love, noted a drop in sales after a book came out, and showed that right after that book came out. Even if I were wrong about that, big problem, you still have catholic bibles on you. Its a matter of doing what God actually wants you to do or not, whether or not you have the RIGHT book.
@@PaperTrailsAnimation a Catholic translator (Erasmus) made the Textus Receptus, upon which the KJV New Testament is based on ! The TR originally included the Apocrypha! Who's Bible is Catholic?
You really should watch his debates against the catholic Church. He blatantly says the teachings of catholicism is not a gospel of saving faith as described in the Bible. I'm honestly disappointed in the amount of hate in UA-cam's comments sections, primarily of this video by "Christians".
Another Chick fan - the brain-dead branch of works-based Christianity. Any Christian that thinks anything Chick published has any slight resemblance to reality as far as his Bible corruption is concerned needs a brain adjustment, and also probably a heart adjustment.
I can't understand why a Christian would accept, let alone prefer, a Bible that takes "the kingdom, the power and the glory" away from the Lord's prayer. We must all stand before the judgment seat of Christ, what will you say to Him?
wardy Because we are looking for what Jesus actually said and what the apostles actually wrote. Not what we think is nice or powerful (also true and helpful), but it doesn’t matter. What matters is what Jesus actually said and what the apostles actually wrote.
Because I am more interested in what the actual authors originally wrote, not what a scribe a thousand years later THOUGHT he should have written. Can't you see my friend that you have aligned yourself with a TRANSLATION of English, instead of seeking to know what was TRULY written by the Apostles? For instance sometimes an Apostle will say, "Lord Jesus Christ," and other times simply, "Jesus." That doesn't mean that he is diminishing the glory of Jesus when he simply writes "Jesus", but that he chose to not include the other titles EVERY time. A scribe copying a millennia afterwards THOUGHT Jesus should always have exalted titles, and ADDED the titles. For my part, I am seeking truth above all costs, and God IS Truth, so I have nothing to fear.
James White uses all the texts, and understands the issues. He knows his stuff. You cannot often change those who have fearfully fallen into KJVO argumentation. But you can find out and study the Bible with care and understanding of the historical knowledge of the manuscripts, etc.
James White is stuck on the Greek; of which, are not the oldest copies of the Bible!
Instead of trusting what a man says. Pick up a AKJV and compare and if you are a true believer in Christ by grace and faith, you yourself will see the corruption of the others text. Put the Holy Bible(KJV) as authority and not history or archeology. But the WORD. Many are deceived because of a lack of knowledge. Compare scripture w scripture.
+ Tami Gruis
"Instead of trusting what a man says."
Isn't that what YOU are doing?
"Pick up a AKJV and compare and if you are a true believer in Christ by grace and faith, you yourself will see the corruption of the others text.
I hate to break it to you - but you are simply lying, using the lies you have been taught by a corrupt and probably demonic false cult.
"Put the Holy Bible(KJV) as authority"
WHY? It's is a corrupt and imperially-mandated perversion of corrupted and Catholic text - created from 6 partial texts, d the missing bits filled in by imagination, the catholic vulgate and priests sermon notes.
"and not history or archeology."
Typical of the ignorance of the KJ cultist - History and Archeology are the GREATEST possible way to KNOW what God gave the church in its early days.
Facts and REALITY are anathema to those cultists who hide behind an appearance of GOD while replacing his WORD with their traditions.
NO possible way could that come from a corrupt sodomite king - using partial and corrupted catholic text assembled by a Catholic theologian and dedicated to a Catholic POPE - to be His accuracy Word for today. Its dozens and dozens of errors PROVE its NOT from God.
"But the WORD. Many are deceived because of a lack of knowledge."
YUP =- YOIU certainly are!
"Compare scripture w scripture. "
OR in your case - corrypeytd scripture with the tyerachgings ofd your cult . . .
@@tamigruis127 you mean to give it the Mormon test?
@@paulrobinson9318 the KJV is corrupt?! Lol could you say the same about NIV??! ESV? NASB? NASV? NLT? NKJV?? Please the list goes on and I’d like to put a big fact check mark beside you and try it on all these based on ………. The Greek? Which one? Septuagint? TR? The critical text? Which one please and then give me more inside on why should I believe a manuscript found in Egypt 200 years after AV1611 that is missing verses but yet it’s the “ Oldest “ and it’s more “ reliable “ because of its “ dating “ and yet ….. now we aren’t sure what Jesus really said as Bart Ehrman said and then WASCOT AND HORT WERE PRAISED BY POPE …… YET THE SAME CHURCH WHO KILLED TYNDALE AND john Wyncliff for trying translate the same Bible into English ….. please !!!! (:
Thanks soo much James for this, it clarifies a lot. I was confused in the past that names will be taken out of the "book of life" (NKJ. Rev chap 22) as it was in contrast with Rev 3:5. Now it all makes sense when I look at all the modern translations.
God's Love:)
Not being a Calvinist I usually differ with James White but in this respect he is spot on
You display your ignorance for all to see. Don't you know that the Alexandrian Cult has infected all modern English bibles with crap? Infant baptism is ok, the Trinity is a myth and Jesus was not God manifest in the flesh according to the modern counterfeit counter-reformation pseudo-bibles.
Wake up.
A lot of bizarre cults require the KJV to support their wacko doctrines.
Peter NOT Grace, your ignorance is for all to see. There was no Alexandrian Cult, and you are cultist to promote such false teaching. There were a few very good early church leaders from Alexandria, and some heretics from Byzantine ruled regions.
+ Peter Grace
"You display your ignorance for all to see. Don't you know that the Alexandrian Cult has infected all modern English bibles with crap? Infant baptism is ok, the Trinity is a myth and Jesus was not God manifest in the flesh according to the modern counterfeit counter-reformation pseudo-bibles."
Like many KJO cultist - you are lying. The trinity only ONLY destroyed by the KJB, taking BOTH the deity of Jesus and the personage of the HS OUT of the KJB. Without them being both divine and persons, the trinity id impossible.
ua-cam.com/video/dJEgSCUGOCY/v-deo.html
Your statement is a total lie - the modern ACCURATE Bibles DEFEND what the KJB destroys; you claim THEY destroy it. False.
You don't realize the KJB 1611 - contained the Apocrypha - the foundation for Purgatory - the KJ could NOT be inspired because such verses were Included into it - verses that blaspheme the gospel - and then 100 years later they took these "inspired" books out. It was used to support Infant baptism, and the divine right of kings - "GOD save the King" was never in any original text - OR any other Bible ever.
It's hard to believe anyone is saved that lies so frequently to promote a Bible that was poorly translated from corrupt Catholic texts, and destroys so many important Christian doctrines
@@petergrace7356 Except everything you said is wrong. The modern English Bibles have nothing to do with any Alexandrian Cult. Yes, EVERYTHING you just said is wrong. You have believed a delusion. James White talks about each of these topics in his book.
james white speaks logicaly once again.
Go James White!
I personally love the KJV and Russian Synodal version, both based on TR. I use them as main text for Bible study.
One sad observation I made about the KJVO people: they come across as arrogant and refuse to reason. They don't listen carefully and dont accept when they are corrected. That's very sad.
1Pet 3:15 tells us to give a reasoned defense of the hope within us with a spirit of reverence and respect.
I wish Christian brothers would take to heart the advice from the Scriptures to be Quick to Hear, Slow to words, Slow to anger.
I am a KJVO and I agree. I used to believe the lies James White told and I have done my own research and have come out KJVO. But, on my journey it was incredibly frustrating because most KJVO (in my opinion) do little research themselves. In fact, if someone was actually kind to me when I got curious about why they believed such things it would make it a lot easier. I found myself staying away from such beliefs just because of how they were. I try my best to inform others in kindness and understanding because I know how it is to deal with them.
+@@IWasGivenRest
"I have done my own research and have come out KJVO."
What research have you done - and who were the authors of that research - I'd bet they are KJO propagandist - NOT a scholar among them - and like to many - the abhor study, textual evidence and reality - they teach lies heresy and false prophesy - and you lap it up uncritically.
YOU provide 5 facts they taught you - and I will prove 4 of them are lies. - Take the challenge . . .
"But, on my journey it was incredibly frustrating because most KJVO (in my opinion) do little research themselves."
And you are NOT a whit better - I would be surprised if any ONE of those you read in your "study" know the first thing about the Bible's meanings or origin - the texts that underlie it etc - Riplinger for example has a lie per paragraph - and YOU probably think she isd educated and intelligent - she's neither. YOU cannot find a KJO cults that understands the scriptures.
Your response is exactly what this fellow was talking about -
"One sad observation I made about the KJVO people: they come across as arrogant and refuse to reason. They don't listen carefully and dont accept when they are corrected. That's very sad. "
KJO cultists are ignorant of scripture, arrogant, deceived, obnoxious and spiritually incoherent.
YOU CANNOT study and become a KJO cultist - Study takes you AWAY from a fake gospel and corrupted texts. Evidence proves the KJ to be a terribly corrupted text from a terribly corrupted Catholic text - one dedicated to Pope Leo X - AND you accept it as inspired - Hilarious.
YOU cannot find a single fault in Whites teaching on the Greek and Hebrew texts - or the KJB - that is black and white pardon the pun - His CALVINISM - that's another story and NOT black and white.
Calling him a liar proved how little you know . . .
He has taken on the best KJO cultists - and made them admit - without exception - the corruption of their Bible.
ONLY Ruckman gets past White - by claiming all the errors in the KJB - which he does NOT deny - are NEW REVELATION. - heresy and damnable lies.
@@paulrobinson9318 How many times are you going to bear false witness of me and call me a liar/cultist? I would hope that you would know that is against scripture. If you haven't noticed you have consistently done this and have been utterly prideful and rude just because I disagree... And you honestly think I don't debate you because I don't have an answer? Anyone with a little common sense and a open mind could tell you that is unreasonable. You know nothing about me and dare to call me a liar because of your idea that someone cannot research this topic and become a believer of God preserving his Word? Unbelievable.
@@IWasGivenRestWhat did you research? YoU are illiterate about Greek and Hebrew - from the trash you talk I'd guess you read Gipp and Riplinger - two well documented liars . . . and call that studying.
YOU cannot prove that ONE statment of Whites is false or wrong much less a lie - so you HAVE proven YOURSELF to be a liar yet again.
+ Isaiah 55:6YOU have lied repeatedly!
" How many times are you going to bear false witness of me and call me a liar/cultist?"
How about when you stop lying?
" If you haven't noticed you have consistently done this and have been utterly prideful and rude just because I disagree... "
YOU don't just disgree - you are deceived - and you call anyone attempting to rescue you or provide you with Spiritual, honest, scholarship a liar.
I have NOT been prideful - I was almost lost because of that cult you have willingly joined - I am PASSIONATE - it's part of your cult that you misread that as prideful. Spiritual superiority and arrogance allows you to make that mistake.
Prideful about WHAT? Defending White, who I disagree with on so many issues, but who is 100% correct on his Greek and Hebrew studies and teaching, and whom you call a liar?
"And you honestly think I don't debate you because I don't have an answer? Anyone with a little common sense and a open mind could tell you that is unreasonable. "
I KNOW why you won't debate or even answer rationality. I taught you the REALITY of the Hebrew misquoted in the KJB from Psalm 12: 6 and 7 - you refuse to even attempt to comprehend the basics of Biblical study because it destroys your deceiving cult.
AT least you can show me where my Hebrew Grammar is wrong IF you are correct - and IF you cannot show that - you have NOTHING to support your lies of a preserved word. And IF there WAS a preserved word - it is assuredly NOT the KJB, OR any of the 30 the TR's that contradict each other . . . with all its Catholic insertions and corruptions.
" You know nothing about me and dare to call me a liar "
I call you a liar because of what you wrote - it's all I KNOW about you.
"because of your idea that someone cannot research this topic and become a believer of God preserving his Word?"
NO ONE who researches the subject with an honest heart becomes a KJO cultist - this board is full of those that have studied and left the cult - me being ONE!
The KJO cult's teachings are anti-Biblical, anti-scholarship, anti historical and anti-Protestant. YOU are guilty of all.
Even the pillars of the KJO cult - like Moorman - cannot justify the corruption of the KJB. When White pointed out several passages to MOORMAN in the English debate (in England) and asked if the text should be changed to fix the errors - he declined and resorted to Ruckmanism - NO they are given by GOD, even IF they are wrong.
ua-cam.com/video/bbQLAavs7Hw/v-deo.html
SUCH is the KJO cult's way of dealing with facts.
" Psalm 12: 5 “Because of the violence done to the oppressed,
because of the painful cries of the needy,
I will spring into action,” says the Lord.
“I will provide the safety they so desperately desire.”
6 The Lord’s words are absolutely reliable.
They are as untainted as silver purified in a furnace on the ground,
where it is thoroughly refined.
7 You, Lord, will protect them;
you will continually shelter each one from these evil people,"
"tn The third person plural pronominal suffix on the verb is masculine, referring back to the “oppressed” and “needy” in v. 5 (both of those nouns are plural in form), suggesting that the verb means “protect” here. The suffix does not refer to אִמֲרוֹת (ʾimarot, “words”) in v. 6, because that term is feminine gender."
I am not a fan of James White. Having said this, left me say that he has the most profound understanding of textual transmission and the history of the Bible that I have ever heard! When he teaches on this subject, you would be wise to pay close attention. This video, along with his debate on Revelation TV, and his book "The King James Only Controversy" have radically enhanced my understanding of textual criticism. Well done James! Give God the praise.
+Pastor Brett
i would suggest Jim Browns Grace and Truth Channel, he really goes into textual criticism alot deeper.
+guitaoist After watching James on his dividing line the other day, I have since pulled away from him. I have always believed that he was neutral, but he showed a very confused and contradictory argument against the Byzantine manuscript tradition. While I supported James White as a solid scholar in the field of textual criticism; I regard him as such no more! His frail attempt to disprove the KJV was utterly foolish. I am not a KJV onlyist, but I will always believe the KJV to be the most trustworthy English translation. James White has totally cast off all reliance on the Holy Spirit in matters of Bible interpretation. I am done with the issue of textual criticism. I will stick with the TR and continue my studies in that direction. I formally recant any support for the CT from this day forward.
Many of us have come to opposite conclusions. Hmmm..... We are serving God. We are students of the Bible. Hey, have any of you KJVO fold ever lived more than a year in another country? That might help. Seriously learn another language, and/or become a student of real Greek or Hebrew learning. I think you might then get it. But also , the historical and grammar study of the Scriptures has always been the way to get close to God and his word.
Mike Lindner agreed, the greek and hebrew is what we should be studying, not english counterfeits.
guitaoist
When you use the term English counterfeits, to what are you referring?
Isn't it true, according to the instructions to the translators, that the Bishop's Bible was the primary basis for the KJV rather than a direct fresh translation from the available original language texts? In other words, is the KJV merely a materially revised Bishop's Bible?
1. The ordinary Bible, read in the church, commonly called the Bishop’s Bible, to be followed, and as little altered as the original will permit.
14. These translations to be used when they agree better with the text than the Bishop’s Bible, viz. Tyndale’s, Coverdale’s, Matthew’s, Witchurch’s(Great Bible),* Geneva.”
YUP - just made the Bishops/Geneva the state Bible after adding in all the excesses of the state church, and ensuring the Divine Right of Kings replaced the Geneva admonition to kick out a corrupt king.
Being a sodomite, the King wasn't all that popular and needed some assurance he would remain in power. His appeal to the Privy Council about his sodomy referenced Christ and John and from that established his right to his perversion.
His successor used that Divine Righht to slaughret or enslave almost a million irish
I am a Pentecostal Christian now before everyone shout herecy I am not a spaceman I really love Jesus and The Word Of God
James White is a 5 point Calvinist so obviously doctrinely we are worlds apart
However I remember being given a chick tract and some crusader comics published by Jack Chick I became a KJV only advocate because I automatically believed that someone who would do such a wonderful job publishing these marvelous gospel tracts would have it right
eventually Jack Chick reverted all his efforts on Exposing Roman Catholics and modern versions of the Bible
a Spirit of fear came over me I was so scared that I was not hearing from God it had a major affect on my relationship with the Lord
James White makes sense and even though our doctrines differ I can relax and believe what I read in other decent versions
true except whites a 4 point Calvanist
+Clint Thurman ok I will take your word for it however I can't see how that works because one point if Tulip confirms the rest so I would be interested is knowing which point he doesn't support
dont take my word for it. he states it in his book and mentions it in his discussion with Steven Anderson.
+Clint Thurman ok I will check it out
Good for you, Bobby, keep serving God and reading your Bible.
If I said to you verily verily, I agree with you. But I know longer speak the Kings English. I would rather say truly truly. Do you still say verily verily when speaking.
he has his reward....
There is nothing Biblical of what James White says on this issue. Your Bible alone tells you that the Alexandrian Manuscripts are not God's word. The Bible states that God will preserve his word and he gives you the exact place on where they will come from. Do you know where it says they will come from? Antioch and Jerusalem (Where the TR and MR and many others came from). The Alexandrian Manuscripts came from Alexandria (Egypt) and Rome (The two places known for wickedness and twisting the scriptures). Anyone who holds God higher than man, I suggest reading your Bible on the subject and not some dishonest twisting of facts. I am happy to help anyone who will kindly and respectfully respond. God bless.
+John 3:16
YOU are simply lying . . . no nice word for it.
Lie number 1 - "There is nothing Biblical of what James White says on this issue. "
Lie Number 2 - "Your Bible alone tells you that the Alexandrian Manuscripts are not God's word."
Lie number 3 - "The Bible states that God will preserve his word "
Lie Number 4 - "and he gives you the exact place on where they will come from."
I think anyone lying 4 times in ONE paragraph can accurately be called a liar.
NOW note that I understand you made up NONE of those lies yourself - and you may honestly believe them to be correct - BUT all 4 are lies - lies you have been taught by other liars. GIPP Riplinger and others teach these lies based on utter ignorance of scripture.
Let's look at your false claim of a preserved Scripture - which I will presume you base on Psalms 12 6 & 7
Accurately translated the passage reads like this:
"5 “Because of the violence done to the oppressed,
because of the painful cries of the needy,
I will spring into action,” says the Lord.
“I will provide the safety they so desperately desire.”
6 The Lord’s words are absolutely reliable.
They are as untainted as silver purified in a furnace on the ground,
where it is thoroughly refined.
7 You, Lord, will protect them;
you will continually shelter each one from these evil people,
8 for the wicked seem to be everywhere,
when people promote evil. "
NOW - in verse 7 - you assume that THEM refers to the Words of the Lord. This is impossible and is a terrible translation - accurate Bibles often use US (equally as accurate as THEM) - making the possibility of a reference to WORDS impossible. IN fact, the original Hebrew also makes the preservation of the WORDS impossible - what is preserved is PEOPLE.
This is first-year Hebrew stuff - NOT rocket science - those that claim Psa 12 teaches the preservation of scripture are simply illiterate of the Scriptures.
"tn The third person plural pronominal suffix on the verb is masculine, referring back to the “oppressed” and “needy” in v. 5 (both of those nouns are plural in form), suggesting that the verb means “protect” here. The suffix does not refer to אִמֲרוֹת (ʾimarot, “words”) in v. 6, because that term is feminine gender.
tn Heb “you will protect him from this generation permanently.” The third masculine singular suffix on the verb “protect” is probably used in a distributive sense, referring to each one within the group mentioned previously (the oppressed/needy, referred to as “them” in the preceding line). On this grammatical point see GKC 396 §123.f (where the present text is not cited). (Some Hebrew mss and ancient textual witnesses read “us,” both here and in the preceding line.) The noun דוֹר (dor, “generation”) refers here to the psalmist’s contemporaries, who were characterized by deceit and arrogance (see vv. 1-2). See BDB 189-90 s.v. for other examples where “generation” refers to a class of people.
@@paulrobinson9318 God bless you. Sorry, but I as a man cannot help someone like you at all, since you find it fit to trust in man more than the Holy Spirit and his Word. Thank you for taking the time but all I can do in this case is pray. Take care.
Romans 3:4 - God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
+@@IWasGivenRest
Really?
"@Paul Robinson God bless you."
That's better than I get from many KJO cultists when I challenge their mythology.
"Sorry, but I as a man cannot help someone like you at all, "
I realize that - because I have actually studied the Bible - taught in Bible college - pastored etc - you act like an 18 years old kid who knows nothing about the Bible apart from some book you read and NOW you are an expert.
"since you find it fit to trust in man more than the Holy Spirit and his Word. "
And again you intentionally lie.
I take the Bible as GOD wrote it. YOU do NOT you twist it into what GOD never said - to prove your cults theology.
I pointed out to you that GOD WROTE thru David that he would preserve PEOPLE - NOT words in Psalms 12:6 & 7 - you trust the false opinion of some man - I do NOT - rather than reading the Bible as it is written - and looking up the use of words GOD gave; YOU accept what some man says about what GOD says - I'll stick with the Words of GOD as GOD wrote them
YOU must have an inspired KJB to support your cult - and GOD only wrote ONE Bible - the originals - everything else is a translation - and NO translation is perfect. NOR did God anywhere ever promise you a perfet Bible past the original writings.
"Thank you for taking the time but all I can do in this case is pray. Take care."
YOU are a blatant hypocrite - you lie like a cheap rug - and then refuse to support the lies you have told.
"Romans 3:4 - God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. ":
Or accurately translated:
"3 What then? If some did not believe, does their unbelief nullify the faithfulness of God? 4 Absolutely not! Let God be proven true, and every human being shown up as a liar, just as it is written: “so that you will be justified in your words and will prevail when you are judged.” "
YOU have been shown to be a liar - your insinuation that I have lied is just another of your lies - your inability to present ANY evidence to support your lies - while inferring I am a liar is inexcusable, unscriptural and unmanly.
YOU are required by the Word of GOD to be able to give a defense for your belief - you obviously cannot.
When challenged - like the Mormons and JW's at my door - you run when you meet someone that knows a lot more about what you think you believe than you really do. Someone who has escaped your cult.
Just another cultist.
we should use the text it was translated from, the GREEK Textus Receptus.
+guitaoist why?
Santa Escritura there are 27 ways to say the word "the" in Greek, English bibles only say "the". English is not the word of God because English didnt exist when the prophets were writing. Jim Browns channel discusses it very in depth, as does mine:)
guitaoist I can see that, but why the 'Textus Receptus' and not the 'Critical Text'?
the texus receptus didn't exist in greek form until the 1800's
Clint Thurman lol what language was it then? dont tell me aramaic, latin or hebrew. . .
I have to say..I would not use the KJV only if i could find another one which does not take away from the divinity of Jesus.. if a bible says But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment...then I do not use that bible as Jesus was often angry and there fore a sinner.. but the KJV says if your angry for no reason..that makes Jesus not a sinner.. a woman actually said to me ...what difference does it make if Jesus was a sinner.. that cuts out many bibles.. Then I remove all bibles that say ..For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, not just because it takes away the divinity of Jesus but is also wrong.. God calls Adam his son.. but the KJV says..His only begotten son.. so there go more bibles because God says his word is pure.. so it can not be wrong . Then I dump any bible that calls Joseph the father of Jesus .and calls Mary a young girl instead of a virgin as proclaimed in the OT.. lots of bibles fall on their face there..The NIV reads "It is written in Isaiah the prophet: I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way-a voice of one calling in the desert, Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him." It is NOT written in Isaiah! So that is a very large error..Now here is the thing.. I found thousands of mistakes in the fake bibles and that ugly habit of changing words just to get the copyright destroys the flow of the bible...Even though I walk through the deep dark valley is not sound like .. Yea though I walk through the valley of death..but at least they changed a few words there.. and changing words like whale to giant sea creature.. you know anything for a copyright.. So when you find a bible that does not destroy the divinity of Jesus or call him a liar or a sinner..well then maybe I will read that book.. but so far.. oh and I do not believe for a minute that any real Christian will not defend the word of God.. they know.. and are wolves in sheep's clothing..no matter how smart they sound or what spin they put on things..and here is one reason why...The NIV Samuel 21:19, ". . . Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod." What 8-year-old doesn't know that David killed Goliath?
I'm short on time right now, so I'll try to point out the rest of your mistakes later, but the one about Goliath is pretty easy to solve. Who's to say there wasn't more than one guy named Goliath? I know more than one guy named Steve, Jim, Jack, and a bunch of other names. Why shouldn't that be true for the name Goliath? David slew Goliath of Gath, Elhanan slew Goliath the Gittite. Does Gath and Gittite sound the same to you?
The ONE difference between the KJV and ALL other Bibles is the source texts and who supports them. ALL modern Bibles use texts supported by the wicked Roman Catholic Church who is a murderer and a deceiver. That in and of itself is MORE than enough reason to stick with the KJV and the TR.
You must not have watched all of this video.
The KJV was translated from manuscripts dedicated to the Pope. Also used the Catholic Latin Vulgate. Really shows how Catholic influenced the KJV is
Odd, James White keeps referring to the originals; even worse, he presumes to magically know the text that underlies the AV1611, preposterous! Understand this, when James White presumes to correct the AV1611 with the originals or even what he assumes to be the text the translators employed, shows his complete ignorance of the the Antoch stream of Bibles!
It can be known. FHA Scrivener reconstructed a good chunk of it - and what he couldn't reconstruct was because in those places the underlying text was not in Greek at all, but Latin.
Not sure what your point is here, what can be known? Have you ever read the Translators to the Reader? The new bibles have comments on every page correcting the traditional bibles passed down from generation to generation, claiming the LXX is the better text. You do realize that the comments on every page about better texts is directly attacking the AV stream of Bibles!
Oddly, the AV translators state in the Translators the Reader that they reject the LXX because it is full of errors. I guess, it is a matter of who you believe, the Greek philosophers or the translators that were 500 years closer to the originals. I find it interesting the AV translators rejected the text that the Greek philosophers embrace.
If I did not have the traditional bible and had to rely on the rewritten bible based on 4 texts that do not agree from verse to verse; claiming, to be 1500 years old based on handwriting analysis, not current scientific technology, I would not trust God's word.
Here are three examples:
Micah 5:2 Jesus is eternal not old, from ancient days.
Philippians 2:5 Jesus is equal with God not unable to grasp.
Luke 2:22 Per the Torah, only Mary required days of purification, not they.
Furthermore, copies of the bible were written in several languages, the idea that the Greek is the master of all copies is ludicrous. When I began my walk with Jesus Christ, I had not read the bible; thus, I believe, as the AV translators believe, the inferior LXX is sufficient to learn God's word.
Given this, I agree with the AV translators on what is the better text and I trust them. Fortunately, I gave up on my NIV several years ago and have diligently studied the AV, this has been a blessing, given, the depth of consistency. Every Sunday and during weekly bible studies with friends, they read their bibles and I follow along in my AV, with 65,000 differences between the two streams, it is obvious God preserved His Word and did not hide it in the sands of Egypt for 1500 years.
Except they didn't reject the LXX... there are several places, most notably Psalm 8.5a, where they absolutely used the LXX or something like it (such as the Gallican Psalter) instead of the Hebrew. (In this case the KJV has "For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels"; as evidenced by Jerome's own translation from Hebrew, the correct reading should have, as the ERV of 1885 has, "For thou hast made him but little lower than God". Fault the ERV New Testament as you may, they were often more accurate to the Masoretic Hebrew than the KJV in the Old.)
If we had the exact texts that the AV translators employed, FHA Scrivener would not have needed to attempt to reverse engineer their work, your opinion is pure speculation. Fortunately, we do have the Translators to the Reader; of which, clearly states their position concerning the LXX, there is no need for speculation.
We DO have the "exact texts". Scrivener merely went through those texts and determined, for each passages, which specific "exact texts" was the one they chose. Occasionally he failed to find a match in Greek, and the reason is because in those places they weren't using the Greek in the first place, but the Vulgate Latin.
He wrote it because the sales of other bibles went down !
IDK This is false, he wrote it in 1995, between 1815 and 1975 it was estimated that 5 billion bibles were printed and sold. In 1995, a new translation came out The Good News Version and was estimated to have sold over 18 million alone.
Jsnakeyes 21 First off, nothing good about a Catholic bible, secondly, how is it false that the sales were going down because of what was going down in 1815-1975 ? Doesn't make sense. So uh
IDK First off no one said anything about a catholic Bible, James White has had numerous debates against catholics. Secondly, you said he wrote it because the sales were going down. Well considering it was written in 1995 and Bible sales have only gone up between those two dates shows thats not accurate, how could he have written it to help sales when sales were doing just fine at the year it was written.
Jsnakeyes 21 Yes no one said anything about the catholic bible. That's why you can stand to defend them. The new versions, are VATICAN versions. They use the Catholics greek text, the Nestles text. It contains, and so do the bibles that come from it, confession of sins, verses attacking grace through faith, etc.
A certain man who you MAY or may NOT know AND love, noted a drop in sales after a book came out, and showed that right after that book came out. Even if I were wrong about that, big problem, you still have catholic bibles on you. Its a matter of doing what God actually wants you to do or not, whether or not you have the RIGHT book.
@@PaperTrailsAnimation a Catholic translator (Erasmus) made the Textus Receptus, upon which the KJV New Testament is based on ! The TR originally included the Apocrypha! Who's Bible is Catholic?
James White is the Vatican's second favorite plant.
You really should watch his debates against the catholic Church. He blatantly says the teachings of catholicism is not a gospel of saving faith as described in the Bible. I'm honestly disappointed in the amount of hate in UA-cam's comments sections, primarily of this video by "Christians".
IDK, you are an idiot to make such a stupid false claim.
Another Chick fan - the brain-dead branch of works-based Christianity. Any Christian that thinks anything Chick published has any slight resemblance to reality as far as his Bible corruption is concerned needs a brain adjustment, and also probably a heart adjustment.
I disagree. the KJV is easy to read
Professional liar
Don't you mean professional liars? Those who teach the KJV only heresy.
I can't understand why a Christian would accept, let alone prefer, a Bible that takes "the kingdom, the power and the glory" away from the Lord's prayer. We must all stand before the judgment seat of Christ, what will you say to Him?
wardy Because we are looking for what Jesus actually said and what the apostles actually wrote. Not what we think is nice or powerful (also true and helpful), but it doesn’t matter. What matters is what Jesus actually said and what the apostles actually wrote.
Because I am more interested in what the actual authors originally wrote, not what a scribe a thousand years later THOUGHT he should have written. Can't you see my friend that you have aligned yourself with a TRANSLATION of English, instead of seeking to know what was TRULY written by the Apostles? For instance sometimes an Apostle will say, "Lord Jesus Christ," and other times simply, "Jesus." That doesn't mean that he is diminishing the glory of Jesus when he simply writes "Jesus", but that he chose to not include the other titles EVERY time. A scribe copying a millennia afterwards THOUGHT Jesus should always have exalted titles, and ADDED the titles. For my part, I am seeking truth above all costs, and God IS Truth, so I have nothing to fear.