It's evident that Lee took a bigger part on writing the album. As a guitar player i have to say that Lees guitar work at Top 10 statues that cried blood is amazing. And Kool-aid even has a proper metal guitar solo. Lee is actually an amazing player and i think he doesn't get enough credit.
bro, I remember checking out the old albums like count your blessings, there's a hell, sempiternal and bro, Lee did a magical job for those records, I really missed him on BMTH's new stuff. happy that now he is able to do what he knows
Lee is DISGUSTINGLY underrated, he's my 2nd favorite, I love them all really in the band, they're all perfect for each other, oli, lee and the 2 matts are the perfect 4
What? did you just make that up? You know there was a writer from another band who wrote all the new stuff, right? haha, how do you not know this? I swear bring me fans are the most clueless fans on earth, haha. You guys always know the least.
Jordan coming in during Sempiternal definintely made BMTH what it is today, so I was sad when he left. but listening to Oli describe the process, I think they made the right decision.
I remember the huge promotion for Sempiternal during warped tour 2013. You could feel the buzz about this big change that was happening with one of the big headliners and it was something to watch. It was like “oh okay one of our guys might actually make it into arenas”.
It's fairly standard for band members and their families to unfollow everyone when it comes to a split. The amount of notifications and tags, and questions regarding the situation becomes unbearable, so it's just easier to unfollow.
Oli just kind of tired of Jordan’s formula and wants something fresh (whether pop or heavier stuff). Also Jordan got kid, as a family man can’t see himself touring all the time, so this is how the relationship came to an end.
I remember reading that on top of all that he was still getting hired gun money on tour and wanted the same compensation as the original members if he was gonna keep doing the road, but I don't know how much truth there is to it (if any)
On the contrary, I think Jordan's tired of Oli's "out there" ideas where it tend to make the songwriting lose focus and direction. He's mention that in at least one interview.
@@rotaficionado666 when Jordan mentions the out there ideas of oli he's always talked about it in a positive light. also Jordan has said that he doesn't really care about writing complex lyrics and oli was the one that would spend hours on writing "smart" lyrics.
Jordan is literally the reason that bring me the horizon went to the next level and became an international headlining act, I know you guys love Ollie because you can only see the front man but Jordan IS the sound that made bring me the horizon a household name
I work at one of the venues from the UK tour they did in January this year ...Jordan was part of the band / still scheduled to be apart of the UK tour in January as of the 15th of December (5 days before the leaving announcement) according to the set / rigging plans sent across to us. His keyboards were still part of the set lay out sheets.
Ijust can't see RIP as a Jordan diss track. The theme fits right into the TTS era type of friend betrayal songs. The song just happened to be released at the time Jordan left. "Still alive but you're dead to me" is the opposite of what Oli said about Jordan in interviews.
There's an interview. I don't remember which one but Ollie straight up says people give Jordan a lot of s*** for not wanting to do metal. But Ollie openly says he was the one that just doesn't want to do metal. Clearly he seems like he likes both and is just less interested in performing metal
Listen to the way Ollie screams, I could believe that to hurt like hell performing night to night on a tour, no matter how used to it you get or what ever. I don’t honestly blame him
I geniunly love when bands try to expand their horizon (no pun inteded), rather than sounding all the same for their entire career as so many metal bands seem to fall in that trap. Which is completily fine tbh, but the backlash of so many people in the metal community for going outside the confrot zone old always kinda bothered me.
Instant sub! Really enjoyed this video, you are a great storyteller and did all the research. Also you have a great voice for narration, overall amazing video.
I love AMO but for me at least, it feels just like that, a book Mark, something like when the beatles released sgt. Pepper, they were something different from the band we all know, but still bmth, anyway, i dont feel it nowadays like a canonic bmth álbum, like music to dance to… (that cool experimental electronic thing they did)
I can't wait for post-human 3, knowing the entire band Is having a say now...good things are to come, i loved jordan's contributions but it is time to move on, post human 3 is going to be fire Also Rip isn't a diss it bleeds into the rest of the album lore
I loved Jordan's work with the band, especially on That's The Spirit. But for a while it just felt like it became the Oli & Jordan show with the rest of the band feeling nonexistent. Even though the music was still really good, it was pretty obvious most of the creativity was from them. On this last album it was good to see Lee finally start to show his talent, he had become a rhythm guitarist for almost a decade.
Glad to see a recap video to get me caught up, but one thing I will say... All the bands at the time of the style were a bit more heavily implied with the Electronic elements. Both AA bands used edm elements more heavily; however Asking Alexandria (which is very often cited side-by-side with them to the point that I think I still have a pic of the sticker referencing BMTH for SU&S CD from walmart) actually released an album of full on remixes. BMTH, likewise, had lots of collabs on remixes and had Skrillex working on an earlier album for the more score-like aspects as well as edm, and they did a remix contest for Can You Feel My Heart (I still have the stems for the song that they put out on a harddrive somewhere). They were by no means strangers to this sort of element to their music; however, the ability and connection built with Jordan Fish seemed to warrant him becoming a member of the team - I guess, giving more credit to his ability and why he started working with Spiritbox. Also, I remember when amo came out and I loved it and was so sad to see the hate :( But, it seems amazing to see what's happening with Dan Lancaster involved and hyperpop vibes, and I'm loving the stuff they've been doing and understand why they say they need time to rest. PS: There is a hell will always be their best album imho
I love bands that experiment with their sound. Truly one of my favorite things about both BMTH and Poppy is that whenever there's a new release I have no idea what I'm about to hear. I was thrilled to see Jordan working with my favorite solo act and Negative Spaces is SO GOOD. You can hear his influence but in a way that adds to Poppy's established style. It really seems like their split was hard, but will be best for everyone (including BMTH, Jordan, and the fans) in the long run!
Jordan sounds a lot like a studio producer with his maximizing productivity approach, which is great for artists hiring him to get a job done but can be exhausting as a long term band member (especially if the band wants to experiment and push boundaries).
19:05 hearing this again now makes so much sense with Poppy album with some lyrics repeated and not really deep, even though I love the record, and Architects over-use of "FUCK" in Whiplash (even though I love the energy of this song)
It looks like Dan Lancaster is now more involved in writing with BMTH. As a producer he brings some of the same skills as Jordan did. But it might be more in a supportive role than pushing in a given direction.
I thought they were cooked when i heard he left. Nex gen proved me wrong, maybe it's cause I'm a guitarist, but i think it's my favourite thing they've done
I remember watching their vlogs recording 2020 album and they would midi all guitar and drun tracks and just send them to Lee and get him to transcribe it to actual guitar, as a guitarist in a band that would be horrible! To not even write your own riffs
He also is working with a dutch singer, one song is already released and they made a whole album. Its so good. She is called "S10" and they worked a lot together
I’m a huge spiritbox fan and think they’re quite literally perfect but fishs involvement with tsunami sea is going to elevate it to places it couldn’t have gone without him
What a video! Good job! I think BMTH has always been a great band and I will always support them. I will still praise Jordan tho 😂. PS. I don’t like how some tracks on Nex Gen sound tbh. It sounds so overproduced, and the songs sound bit too much. (just my opinion)
Survival horror was better in general than Nex Gen, but I can't wait for post human 3 Although darkside, kool-aid, lost, n/a and dig it are one of my favorites, the rest are ehhh
If u go listen to anybody that JF is writing for (like poppy), u can hear JF in all those songs same as u can with BMTH. Guy can just create good songs
What diss tracks? What nonsense is that. Jordan Fish feels NEVER BETTER now that he's helping half the modern metal scene write music, LITERALLY) He was limited in BMTH, now he's just off the chains. And BMTH will always continue to write whatever the hell they want. There's really no drama anywhere..
most of the best songs off nex gen were written without jordan. kool aid obviously, limousine, dig it is one of the most absolutely beautiful and raw songs bmth has ever released. im grateful to the addition jordan brought for the albums he was here for but bmth was doing great before jordan and they'll do great after.
They even talked about the quality v quantity thing for parasite eve in their web series where it was jokey banter between them. Clearly showcased the two ideas though. I think it went deeper than that- I forgot that Jordan clip you showed where he was talking about how adventurous Oli wants a bring me song to sound to him whereas Jordan would like something more basic. I would say this definitely showcases their different headpsaces a lot. Awesome video though. I don’t think rip is a diss at all, it seems to be about the fictional world and characters within it from the ai perspective of eve, it seems fully conceptual as one of the characters in the albums world has a daughter- on the cover of nexgen, the second verse says “but it’s people like your daughter who give humans a bad name” which seems like its fully from the outside looking in, and as for the outro, i believe its fallen not fish that the guy says and they cut the word for a cheesy nod.
I can't help but think it's about songwriting credits (aka money splits). THIS IS ALL HYPOTHETICAL. A lot of songs written and released while Jordan was in the band has credited mainly Oli and Jordan, and not the other three. I feel Jordan may have wanted it that way because technically the other three didn't write the songs so why should they get a big cut of the split. Maybe after so many albums of this, they've brought it up to Oli as a "either he goes or we go" type of situation. IDK but that's just my HYPOTHETICAL thinking.
random thought but if youve been out of the deathcore scene for a while u might notve seen Eysia remastered masochist this yr and put it on spotify !! got me back into my deathcore phase lolll
I heard it was because Jordan wanted to be paid more since her felt more involved in making music. People say he left because his family but he literally went to spiritbox the dat after he wasn’t in BMTH anymore. Idk it seems weird 😂
You guys do know that Fish has writing credits for the music in 7 of the 13 songs, right? So to say they did the album without him is a bit ridiculous. (Although, admittedly, I thought he’d have even more writing credentials for the album.)
A lot of these people in the comments think they know what happen when they speak out lol HAHAHAHAHAHAH, its soo cute and also btw, I think RIP is kinda like a friendly jab at it, like something where it can be called out of proportions and idk if Oli clarified it or it was just a theory that it was a friendly jab/funny way to blow things out of proportion, but either way the song is fun nonetheless.
Jordan obviously helped elevate bmth to the next level but the thing that really turned me off of him was a clip in one of their vods where oil was trying some different style screams, more hardcore style mid ranged stuff and Jordan goes ‘don’t do that, it doesn’t even sound like you’.. like wtf? That is the exact type of experimentation we want from them
I'm not a fan of reading things into songs or family unfollowing bandmembers on social media when we have multiple interviews with both Jordan and Oli talking about the issue. I take what they say by face value and believe that Jordan's departure was due to creative and professional disparities and with best intentions for all people involved.
honestly this clears up everything jordan's approach and ethics are clear as day and I'm already tired of hearing all these mick gordon sounding songs everywhere, I'm not a fan of nex gen and I've grew tired of post human but amo and TTS still feel like something fresh and original
His team with Zakk is great. Poppy album is awesome, Architects never sounded better since Holy Hell and House Of Protection revived the original energy of Fever 333
@SergieRachmaninoff i literally said "since holy hell". I believed they peaked on LF//LT and AOGHAU and hit rock bottom with last album. However, the three new songs are great, and even tho they don't come close to AOGHAU, this is the best thing they put out since Holy Hell. Hope it helps
I liked Jordan’s contributions to sempiternal and a few songs on that’s the spirit but from that’s the spirit onwards him and Oli had way too much control of the bands sound, like Lee is a great guitar player and if I remember correctly him and Oli used to do most the song writing together and then after Jordan joins he pretty much gets demoted to a background character, like come on he’s the LEAD guitar player use him 😂 Lowkey wouldn’t be surprised if everyone starts sounding like bmth now since all these bands are using Jordan, same thing happened after sempiternal came out everyone started copying that style
Post Human: Horror survival was much better than Nex Gen. Really curious what the next album of BMTH brings. Because i feel like they will miss Jordan a lot. I also feel like they didn't have to part ways with Jordan just to get Lee and Matt more involved again. They could've spoke up themselves. Now it feels like they just didn't work as hard as Oli and Jordan. And Jordan gets blamed and dumped after making them big. I wonder which songs are more Jordan songs and which ones are more Oli songs on Nex Gen.
I have never been a real bmth fan. I really liked there is a hell and sempiternal, but that's it, so I've mostly viewed this out of casual interest. Looking at it, it seems that sykes and fish should've done a side project. If they basically took away creative contribution from the other members, then it's not really the same band anymore. Perhaps it could've prevented some resentment from forming and basically leading to fish's departure so the other members could start contributing again.
As much as I love Jordan and how incredible he is the band is better off without him and that’s no hate to him I love his work I just think Oli needs this change and the atmosphere to change and the band needs to be involved more with making these records
First time seeing your channel. Liked the video. Although I find your microphone very distracting. Could I maybe suggest you get a shotgun microphone or something that’s not so in your face. Just a thought
My guy. You should really have someone supervising the script. It's so much fluff and you're adding too many tangents to an otherwise really well told story (the promising start, the big success, fear of growing stale, how one person gave it their all and was kicked out for the good of the group, the positive aftermath). It becomes rambling and really unfocused. But all in all its promising
Personally, I'm happy that they amicably chose to do this because it sort of needed to happen. The band was a band before and it did become the Ollie and Jordan show and has a long time fan. It bothered me seeing that and how depressed. The rest of the guys looked was awful. They looked like they're enjoying tours but they don't get to do anything that's miserable. Who wants to work at a job where you don't get any say and it's yours with your name on it
He left because of his wife demanding Jordan got more money as he was the main writer along with Ollie, they didn't agree because as Ollie has said in a recent interview it became the Ollie and Jordan show and the rest of the band were rarely involved in the creating of the tracks. As always in anything that happens with breakups in bands its always the wives!
We'll never know. At least until maybe someday one of them in their 60 or something says shit like "It's already in the past and I think it's ok now for everyone to know what was really happened back then" and they're just starting to back and forth telling their side of the story on different interviews. Maybe we'll have another Dave Mustaine situation all over again, we don't know. Lol
i was depressed for weeks when this happened, jordan fish is my idol. really glad he's doing his own work now, but hope he makes a solo album at some point and doesn't just give all his best tunes to others like Poppy and HOP. (poppy album is incredible tho for real)
My guess is people who subscribe to this channel do so mostly for Hip Hop adjacent content (Ye, Weeknd, Carti, JPEG Mafia, etc). I don’t know this band but I like Kacey’s videos so I clicked out of curiosity and enjoyed it.
Fish got fired cos he is a narcissist with a disgusting behaviour towards women including Ollie’s wife and other family / friends. He took over the band and created a toxic environment for everyone until one specific event that I cannot quote that made him kicked out the band. Also, yes - RIP is a diss track !
It's evident that Lee took a bigger part on writing the album. As a guitar player i have to say that Lees guitar work at Top 10 statues that cried blood is amazing. And Kool-aid even has a proper metal guitar solo.
Lee is actually an amazing player and i think he doesn't get enough credit.
@@jani14jani He absolutely doesn't and I cannot wait for the deathcore Post Human specifically to hear his insane riffs !
bro, I remember checking out the old albums like count your blessings, there's a hell, sempiternal and bro, Lee did a magical job for those records, I really missed him on BMTH's new stuff. happy that now he is able to do what he knows
Lee is DISGUSTINGLY underrated, he's my 2nd favorite, I love them all really in the band, they're all perfect for each other, oli, lee and the 2 matts are the perfect 4
Lee is amazing. Yes, he gets overlooked.
Diehards know though.
What? did you just make that up? You know there was a writer from another band who wrote all the new stuff, right? haha, how do you not know this?
I swear bring me fans are the most clueless fans on earth, haha. You guys always know the least.
Jordan coming in during Sempiternal definintely made BMTH what it is today, so I was sad when he left. but listening to Oli describe the process, I think they made the right decision.
Yeah, made them bad.
@@HimothyBurton peaked with there is a hell
@@HimothyBurton How tho? Maybe just you
I remember the huge promotion for Sempiternal during warped tour 2013. You could feel the buzz about this big change that was happening with one of the big headliners and it was something to watch. It was like “oh okay one of our guys might actually make it into arenas”.
It's fairly standard for band members and their families to unfollow everyone when it comes to a split. The amount of notifications and tags, and questions regarding the situation becomes unbearable, so it's just easier to unfollow.
Oli just kind of tired of Jordan’s formula and wants something fresh (whether pop or heavier stuff). Also Jordan got kid, as a family man can’t see himself touring all the time, so this is how the relationship came to an end.
I remember reading that on top of all that he was still getting hired gun money on tour and wanted the same compensation as the original members if he was gonna keep doing the road, but I don't know how much truth there is to it (if any)
On the contrary, I think Jordan's tired of Oli's "out there" ideas where it tend to make the songwriting lose focus and direction. He's mention that in at least one interview.
@@rotaficionado666 when Jordan mentions the out there ideas of oli he's always talked about it in a positive light. also Jordan has said that he doesn't really care about writing complex lyrics and oli was the one that would spend hours on writing "smart" lyrics.
I also want to add that Jordan wanted to spend more time with his family and produce more stuff with other bands and styles
Jordan is literally the reason that bring me the horizon went to the next level and became an international headlining act, I know you guys love Ollie because you can only see the front man but Jordan IS the sound that made bring me the horizon a household name
I work at one of the venues from the UK tour they did in January this year ...Jordan was part of the band / still scheduled to be apart of the UK tour in January as of the 15th of December (5 days before the leaving announcement) according to the set / rigging plans sent across to us. His keyboards were still part of the set lay out sheets.
They had his podium set up in Manchester, just sitting there empty
@@Patchsticlesat Sheffield they had someone else step in in Jordans place
Ijust can't see RIP as a Jordan diss track. The theme fits right into the TTS era type of friend betrayal songs. The song just happened to be released at the time Jordan left. "Still alive but you're dead to me" is the opposite of what Oli said about Jordan in interviews.
There's an interview. I don't remember which one but Ollie straight up says people give Jordan a lot of s*** for not wanting to do metal. But Ollie openly says he was the one that just doesn't want to do metal. Clearly he seems like he likes both and is just less interested in performing metal
Listen to the way Ollie screams, I could believe that to hurt like hell performing night to night on a tour, no matter how used to it you get or what ever. I don’t honestly blame him
@@AvengedHate26 He has since learned how to scream properly btw
Jordan's contributions to BMTHs AMO made me fall in love with the band again after a long listening absence.
I geniunly love when bands try to expand their horizon (no pun inteded), rather than sounding all the same for their entire career as so many metal bands seem to fall in that trap. Which is completily fine tbh, but the backlash of so many people in the metal community for going outside the confrot zone old always kinda bothered me.
Instant sub! Really enjoyed this video, you are a great storyteller and did all the research. Also you have a great voice for narration, overall amazing video.
@@paranoidandroid627 thank u very much !
This needs more views, brother.
It has 10 times more than your entire channel...
@@notreally-sf3dfwasn’t a diss comment 😂
Great video man! insightful and fair
AMO has been unnecessarily cooked by fans. It's a such a cool bookmark in their discography.
The hate for amo is so stupid and unnecessary, musicians are allowed to make the music they want in which makes them happy and fulfilled ❤ I love amo
I love AMO but for me at least, it feels just like that, a book Mark, something like when the beatles released sgt. Pepper, they were something different from the band we all know, but still bmth, anyway, i dont feel it nowadays like a canonic bmth álbum, like music to dance to… (that cool experimental electronic thing they did)
I can't wait for post-human 3, knowing the entire band Is having a say now...good things are to come, i loved jordan's contributions but it is time to move on, post human 3 is going to be fire
Also Rip isn't a diss it bleeds into the rest of the album lore
i sometimes think maybe Amen! is lowk a diss
@@RandyMayCrazyJordan also wrote Amen! tho lol
@@ghoztfxce oh shit lol well nvm then
PHNG deluxe coming early next year, it’s already finished
@@RandyMayCrazy Stop trying to find drama where there isn't any
I loved Jordan's work with the band, especially on That's The Spirit. But for a while it just felt like it became the Oli & Jordan show with the rest of the band feeling nonexistent. Even though the music was still really good, it was pretty obvious most of the creativity was from them. On this last album it was good to see Lee finally start to show his talent, he had become a rhythm guitarist for almost a decade.
You do a really good job setting out the timeline
Glad to see a recap video to get me caught up, but one thing I will say...
All the bands at the time of the style were a bit more heavily implied with the Electronic elements. Both AA bands used edm elements more heavily; however Asking Alexandria (which is very often cited side-by-side with them to the point that I think I still have a pic of the sticker referencing BMTH for SU&S CD from walmart) actually released an album of full on remixes. BMTH, likewise, had lots of collabs on remixes and had Skrillex working on an earlier album for the more score-like aspects as well as edm, and they did a remix contest for Can You Feel My Heart (I still have the stems for the song that they put out on a harddrive somewhere).
They were by no means strangers to this sort of element to their music; however, the ability and connection built with Jordan Fish seemed to warrant him becoming a member of the team - I guess, giving more credit to his ability and why he started working with Spiritbox.
Also, I remember when amo came out and I loved it and was so sad to see the hate :(
But, it seems amazing to see what's happening with Dan Lancaster involved and hyperpop vibes, and I'm loving the stuff they've been doing and understand why they say they need time to rest.
PS: There is a hell will always be their best album imho
I think he will work well with Spirtbox's work ethic since the band is technically a duo too ran by Mike and Courtney
I love bands that experiment with their sound. Truly one of my favorite things about both BMTH and Poppy is that whenever there's a new release I have no idea what I'm about to hear. I was thrilled to see Jordan working with my favorite solo act and Negative Spaces is SO GOOD. You can hear his influence but in a way that adds to Poppy's established style. It really seems like their split was hard, but will be best for everyone (including BMTH, Jordan, and the fans) in the long run!
Jordan sounds a lot like a studio producer with his maximizing productivity approach, which is great for artists hiring him to get a job done but can be exhausting as a long term band member (especially if the band wants to experiment and push boundaries).
Gonna left this comment for algorithm and support. Great video, thanks for sharing info, fam.
19:05 hearing this again now makes so much sense with Poppy album with some lyrics repeated and not really deep, even though I love the record, and Architects over-use of "FUCK" in Whiplash (even though I love the energy of this song)
Real
Different skill sets, I’m sure if Oli was given Jordan’s job, he wouldnt dive as deep into the production side of things
@@GabrielBaker-nj8zltrue though,Oli’s into lyrics while Jordan’s into the production
I love everything BMTH has done, including Amo and its side piece Music to listen to..., Its such a shame people find reasons to hate
When working on the band’s magnum opus: Suicide Season
It looks like Dan Lancaster is now more involved in writing with BMTH. As a producer he brings some of the same skills as Jordan did. But it might be more in a supportive role than pushing in a given direction.
I thought they were cooked when i heard he left. Nex gen proved me wrong, maybe it's cause I'm a guitarist, but i think it's my favourite thing they've done
I remember watching their vlogs recording 2020 album and they would midi all guitar and drun tracks and just send them to Lee and get him to transcribe it to actual guitar, as a guitarist in a band that would be horrible! To not even write your own riffs
He also is working with a dutch singer, one song is already released and they made a whole album. Its so good. She is called "S10" and they worked a lot together
This video is very thoughtful thank you for this
I’m a huge spiritbox fan and think they’re quite literally perfect but fishs involvement with tsunami sea is going to elevate it to places it couldn’t have gone without him
Very much needed video, thank you
What a video! Good job! I think BMTH has always been a great band and I will always support them. I will still praise Jordan tho 😂.
PS.
I don’t like how some tracks on Nex Gen sound tbh. It sounds so overproduced, and the songs sound bit too much. (just my opinion)
Survival horror was better in general than Nex Gen, but I can't wait for post human 3
Although darkside, kool-aid, lost, n/a and dig it are one of my favorites, the rest are ehhh
Great video, very good research and a very nice and positive conclusion!
If u go listen to anybody that JF is writing for (like poppy), u can hear JF in all those songs same as u can with BMTH. Guy can just create good songs
Love the video, great work mate ❤
Great video man !
What diss tracks? What nonsense is that. Jordan Fish feels NEVER BETTER now that he's helping half the modern metal scene write music, LITERALLY) He was limited in BMTH, now he's just off the chains. And BMTH will always continue to write whatever the hell they want. There's really no drama anywhere..
Oli is a songwriter and Jordan is a producer, kinda makes sense if you think about it
Bring Me The Fish
Oli SIKES! THAT'S THE WRONG NUMBER!
most of the best songs off nex gen were written without jordan. kool aid obviously, limousine, dig it is one of the most absolutely beautiful and raw songs bmth has ever released. im grateful to the addition jordan brought for the albums he was here for but bmth was doing great before jordan and they'll do great after.
They even talked about the quality v quantity thing for parasite eve in their web series where it was jokey banter between them. Clearly showcased the two ideas though. I think it went deeper than that- I forgot that Jordan clip you showed where he was talking about how adventurous Oli wants a bring me song to sound to him whereas Jordan would like something more basic. I would say this definitely showcases their different headpsaces a lot. Awesome video though.
I don’t think rip is a diss at all, it seems to be about the fictional world and characters within it from the ai perspective of eve, it seems fully conceptual as one of the characters in the albums world has a daughter- on the cover of nexgen, the second verse says “but it’s people like your daughter who give humans a bad name” which seems like its fully from the outside looking in, and as for the outro, i believe its fallen not fish that the guy says and they cut the word for a cheesy nod.
Not daughter, it’s darling
"its people like you, darling, that give humans a bad name"
@@benscott1721oh my god I had no idea. It’s so bit crushed I could barely hear what that word was. Now it just sounds like an ex song.
Great explanation. I didn't even know this happened...
I can't help but think it's about songwriting credits (aka money splits). THIS IS ALL HYPOTHETICAL. A lot of songs written and released while Jordan was in the band has credited mainly Oli and Jordan, and not the other three. I feel Jordan may have wanted it that way because technically the other three didn't write the songs so why should they get a big cut of the split. Maybe after so many albums of this, they've brought it up to Oli as a "either he goes or we go" type of situation. IDK but that's just my HYPOTHETICAL thinking.
I can see this
AMO is the best album and i went through a deathcore phase years ago
Such a creative and amazing album regardless of what kind of music you like. That era felt so fun and positive.
random thought but if youve been out of the deathcore scene for a while u might notve seen Eysia remastered masochist this yr and put it on spotify !! got me back into my deathcore phase lolll
So stoked I saw this random comment. I'm from the area elysia is from. Masochist is a classic in my eyes.
Amo seems like one of the weakest albums to me
amazing vid man
Great analysis video 🥹🤧👍
banger catch up video boss
I heard it was because Jordan wanted to be paid more since her felt more involved in making music. People say he left because his family but he literally went to spiritbox the dat after he wasn’t in BMTH anymore. Idk it seems weird 😂
great video!
@@marsh23600 thank you !!
This “RIP” being about Fish is stupid, have none of you ever been to a funeral service? We've gathered here today to honour the memory of the FALLEN
You guys do know that Fish has writing credits for the music in 7 of the 13 songs, right? So to say they did the album without him is a bit ridiculous. (Although, admittedly, I thought he’d have even more writing credentials for the album.)
A lot of these people in the comments think they know what happen when they speak out lol HAHAHAHAHAHAH, its soo cute and also btw, I think RIP is kinda like a friendly jab at it, like something where it can be called out of proportions and idk if Oli clarified it or it was just a theory that it was a friendly jab/funny way to blow things out of proportion, but either way the song is fun nonetheless.
Very informative thank you
Miss Jordan but... they've done just fine without him.
Jordan obviously helped elevate bmth to the next level but the thing that really turned me off of him was a clip in one of their vods where oil was trying some different style screams, more hardcore style mid ranged stuff and Jordan goes ‘don’t do that, it doesn’t even sound like you’.. like wtf? That is the exact type of experimentation we want from them
Yeah, like you can tell how they relationship are from a phrase he said lmao
Great video! May I recommend moving your mic over and recording at an angle to prevent plosives (and also so we can see your face) 😊
Excellent video
I'm not a fan of reading things into songs or family unfollowing bandmembers on social media when we have multiple interviews with both Jordan and Oli talking about the issue. I take what they say by face value and believe that Jordan's departure was due to creative and professional disparities and with best intentions for all people involved.
GREAT VID AS ALWAYS
honestly this clears up everything
jordan's approach and ethics are clear as day and I'm already tired of hearing all these mick gordon sounding songs everywhere, I'm not a fan of nex gen and I've grew tired of post human but amo and TTS still feel like something fresh and original
His team with Zakk is great. Poppy album is awesome, Architects never sounded better since Holy Hell and House Of Protection revived the original energy of Fever 333
Architects being better post Holy Hell is just objectively wrong.
@SergieRachmaninoff i literally said "since holy hell". I believed they peaked on LF//LT and AOGHAU and hit rock bottom with last album. However, the three new songs are great, and even tho they don't come close to AOGHAU, this is the best thing they put out since Holy Hell. Hope it helps
need more vids on metal bands bro, love that you're branching out
I liked Jordan’s contributions to sempiternal and a few songs on that’s the spirit but from that’s the spirit onwards him and Oli had way too much control of the bands sound, like Lee is a great guitar player and if I remember correctly him and Oli used to do most the song writing together and then after Jordan joins he pretty much gets demoted to a background character, like come on he’s the LEAD guitar player use him 😂
Lowkey wouldn’t be surprised if everyone starts sounding like bmth now since all these bands are using Jordan, same thing happened after sempiternal came out everyone started copying that style
21:23 listen to the part again and you'll hear the end of an "N", which makes me hear the word "fallen"
Which is how the funeral service goes 😂 these people claiming it’s Fish must be the luckiest people to never have been to a service
Post Human: Horror survival was much better than Nex Gen. Really curious what the next album of BMTH brings. Because i feel like they will miss Jordan a lot. I also feel like they didn't have to part ways with Jordan just to get Lee and Matt more involved again. They could've spoke up themselves. Now it feels like they just didn't work as hard as Oli and Jordan. And Jordan gets blamed and dumped after making them big.
I wonder which songs are more Jordan songs and which ones are more Oli songs on Nex Gen.
How does one person go to rehab, and is able to invest himself 24/7 into music? where the money come from?
I have never been a real bmth fan. I really liked there is a hell and sempiternal, but that's it, so I've mostly viewed this out of casual interest. Looking at it, it seems that sykes and fish should've done a side project. If they basically took away creative contribution from the other members, then it's not really the same band anymore. Perhaps it could've prevented some resentment from forming and basically leading to fish's departure so the other members could start contributing again.
amo its like ATS from Linkin Park
Wait a min… aren’t you the Dog guy who personifies all dog breeds???
As much as I love Jordan and how incredible he is the band is better off without him and that’s no hate to him I love his work I just think Oli needs this change and the atmosphere to change and the band needs to be involved more with making these records
brooo had no idea you were into the metal scene (i come from the kanye lore videos) (soon everything will come to an end)
First time seeing your channel. Liked the video. Although I find your microphone very distracting. Could I maybe suggest you get a shotgun microphone or something that’s not so in your face. Just a thought
Rip is my favorite bmth song
My guy. You should really have someone supervising the script. It's so much fluff and you're adding too many tangents to an otherwise really well told story (the promising start, the big success, fear of growing stale, how one person gave it their all and was kicked out for the good of the group, the positive aftermath). It becomes rambling and really unfocused. But all in all its promising
lee every was my favorit member i trust in him
Personally, I'm happy that they amicably chose to do this because it sort of needed to happen. The band was a band before and it did become the Ollie and Jordan show and has a long time fan. It bothered me seeing that and how depressed. The rest of the guys looked was awful. They looked like they're enjoying tours but they don't get to do anything that's miserable. Who wants to work at a job where you don't get any say and it's yours with your name on it
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Oli "Sikes" had me dying.
He left because of his wife demanding Jordan got more money as he was the main writer along with Ollie, they didn't agree because as Ollie has said in a recent interview it became the Ollie and Jordan show and the rest of the band were rarely involved in the creating of the tracks. As always in anything that happens with breakups in bands its always the wives!
Lowkey erks me hearing anyone in a band say he was my right hand man. It's a band you're each a fucking finger if that's how it is
We'll never know. At least until maybe someday one of them in their 60 or something says shit like "It's already in the past and I think it's ok now for everyone to know what was really happened back then" and they're just starting to back and forth telling their side of the story on different interviews. Maybe we'll have another Dave Mustaine situation all over again, we don't know. Lol
Oli said in a recent interview that they invited the band back to write with them again for the first post human. Just a correction. 👍
i was depressed for weeks when this happened, jordan fish is my idol. really glad he's doing his own work now, but hope he makes a solo album at some point and doesn't just give all his best tunes to others like Poppy and HOP. (poppy album is incredible tho for real)
Get a grip 🙄
how tf this got only 64 views 😭😭
MF it’s only been out for 5 hours
My guess is people who subscribe to this channel do so mostly for Hip Hop adjacent content (Ye, Weeknd, Carti, JPEG Mafia, etc). I don’t know this band but I like Kacey’s videos so I clicked out of curiosity and enjoyed it.
What are you talking about? It says 36k views.. 🤦🏼♂️
Sucks that jordan wasn't on the post human:next gen on top of that it was delayed before release 😔
He contributed to writing quite a few of the songs on Nex Gen
Amo gets a lot of hate but I loved it
Wouldn't be surprised if BMTH abandon whatever they're doing to continue reviving their hardcore era now that its super popular
Sorry but kinda feel like everything from 14:04 to 23:00 was all that was needed
was hanging with shawty so i missed this when it dropped, but yo bro awesome to see u covering stuff outside of hip hop, keep cookin
It's funny how personal it can be to just unfollow someone on ig😂
Would've love to join em
Olis jordan fishd out,and after he has turned architects into his formulaic puppet, me too ol, me too.
I miss deathcore olli 🥲
Fish got fired cos he is a narcissist with a disgusting behaviour towards women including Ollie’s wife and other family / friends. He took over the band and created a toxic environment for everyone until one specific event that I cannot quote that made him kicked out the band. Also, yes - RIP is a diss track !
People really be talking about that band like my friends talked about Metallica... Ofc the bassist story 4:20
7:14 *FISHY*
God is with yall
Amo is essential to get to Post Human Survival Horror
bring me the horizon is doomed without Jordan. as a fan I hate to admit it