Was Revenge of Death Adder/The Duel an either/or scenario? Because yeah, I'd have much rather have had Revenge of Death Adder. The Duel is fine though, I love the touch of including the gnomes. Great video, thanks for posting
I'm not sure what Sega was doing with Revenge of Death Adder. I understood why it never hit the Genesis, it would have needed to be cut back heavily. But Saturn man, it was a perfect fit. Why they never released there is a real bummer.
Sega Lord X still can’t believe it’s never showed up on anything. Hopefully it may see the light of day with the SEGA AGES line on the switch but I won’t be holding out hope.
@@SegaLordX I have often wondered and do you know if it possible for someone to convert the likes of "Revenge of Death Adder" or any other unconverted arcade games and make them into a "homebrew" game for the Psuedo Saturn ? I know it can be theoretically done as I already have a "Sega Master System" emulator for the Psuedo Saturn and the games "Flashback", and unreleased games such as Major Damage and Fighting Force, for example and they work fine on my Saturn.
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I think Virtua Fighter Remix, 2 and Fighters Megamix are the games I played the most on my Saturn to date, with both Virtua Cops close behind. Virtua Fighter 2 still impresses me to this day, the game is a technical marvel.
Fighters Megamix is the best 3D fighter of the 32bit generation by far. Such a wonderful mix of styles and so upbeat. It could only have been made better by adding a story of some form in my opinion. Dead or Alive on Saturn is very close though...
I agree, FM is amazing with incredible replay value. The slowdown can be aggravating in certain stages, like the elevator stage. One of my favorite 3D fighters.
Frankly Fighter Megamix was kinda a bummer. Audio and visuals didn't look and sound that great. But The roster was good like Jane from VC2, Hornet (Daytona car), and a few randoms.
Which hurt even more considering all the early Model 1 console boxes had a still on the back of the box advertising a new Eternal Champions for the system.
And I have them all. I used to sell SATURN hardware and software back between 1996 and 1998.. Here at Mexico almost nobody cared for the SATURN, PlayStation was everywhere. So I opened a small store, and contacted TOMMO Inc. in order to import hardware and software for sale on my store......and for me ha ha ha ha. Maybe that is why SATURN is my No.1 system.
En Latino America el saturn es un desconocido, en venezuela, Solo vi 1 anuncion en tv nacional, en mi ciudad que es de provincia solo lo vi en una gran almacén de electrónica....sega rally, enemy zero, virtua cop, house of the dead uffff espectacular!!!
@@buckroger6456 I have to admit that VF4 on PS2 was the game that got me more into the series, even though I played 1-3 in the arcades and on my home consoles. The training mode in that game is still one of the best in my opinion, it teaches you how to play from a beginner up to pro level which is pretty crazy.
@@worsel555 VF4 is still my favorite fighting game. I like that you get to hit all the Sega arcades to challenge other real players data. Also a huge fan of customization of your character in the game as well.
I came here to mention Virtua Fighter 4, especially the evo edition. I'm not huge on fighting games but that game was awesome and challenging in a good way. Every fighter felt unique and it had great fighter customization ages before Injustice 2.
The Saturn had amazing fighting games. I particularly like Last Bronx :) I've also got my Dreamcast set up with a VGA monitor, fighting games like soul caliber and SFA3 look amazing
@@CCoyle-fs3ym Probably Ivy. Love that her sword turns into a whip and then followed by the heavenly sexy Sophitia. 3rd would be Nightmare. Swinging around his huge ass sword is so satisfying.
@@Mykaizer yeah, Ivy's hard to predict. My favourite is Xianghua, then Mitsurugi, I love their styles. Did you complete the mission battle section? Some really difficult parts to it.
i remember being 11 years old, going to disney world Epcot and seeing SEGA world there I played panzer dragoon 2 ,last Bronx,virtua fighter 2 and sega rally and just going the PlayStation is over hyped
Agreed over Revenge of Death Adder it should have been on the Saturn. Just a couple of points though .. VF on the Saturn run at the same speed as the Arcade game (30fps) I can't think of any Model 1 game that didn't run at 30 fps Also I think you should have mentioned the stunning sound of VF on the Saturn, not just the better music (thanks to CD-DA) but also the bone crushing sound effects which were much higher quality than the Model 1 version, made great use of the Saturn's sound chip and still sound super impressive to this day.
I still remember playing Virtua Fighter PC in 1996 when Sega was dropping direct ports to Windows 95. Def was mad fun. I think it cost like $40-$45, which was like a fortune back then. Def good times.
Virtua Fighter hasn't received enough love from the community, until this day 😔 Graphics and innovation aside, the system/fighting mechanics, make it a well-balanced, deep fighter. #VF5FS is a jewel, and is available to play on Xbox One 😊
My friends and I are big Tekken fans. I had Saturn with VF2 & Fighters Megamix and a PS1 with Tekken 2 & 3 back in the day. Tekken got much more play. But in the recent year I downloaded a 32X emu with the VF rom and shared it along w/some cheap retro pc controllers. We can't stop playing it. It has more depth than I had realised. We bet lotto scratch offs on who wins lol. Tekken is still cool af but VF is like new and fresh. Currently seeing who can get the furtherst in Ranking mode. I also have VF2 on 360 now but the controllers don't feel right for a fighter. I must reclaim a Saturn!
@@AlfaRomeoQ Because tekken was "cooler" with more modes. It had more "balls" and played in the ps which gained huge popularity while sega fought with themselves internally. When you don't fully believe in your own console than its a problem.
Virtua Fighter was something completely different from the 2D stuff and looked deceptively simple while being at least as deep as something like Capcom 2D fighters. The Japanese got this and loved the game. All of Sega's 3D fighters sold a bunch of Saturns over there. Westerners preferred the flashy graphics of Toh Shin Den and the button-mashing accessibility of Tekken though. Being into martial arts, I really loved VF from the start. No fireballs, no green monsters, no buckets of blood... just awesomely smooth, strategic martial arts action. It was the first fighting game series that I really loved.
17:29 I think Sega did not want the home versions to cannibalize their arcade business by adding more content to them since Sega owned their own arcades and amusement parks, unlike Namco and Capcom.
Its worth noting SoA gave early Saturn owners a free copy of VF Remix. I called them as a kid asking for a copy as I bought the Saturn on day one. They asked for a receipt..but since it was months since I bought it, I lost it. However the operator was super cool and just mailed it to me anyways!! it was a big improvement over the original!! Btw, I recommend Groove on Fight, my favorite Saturn exclusive fighting game!
The inclusion of Virtua Fighter characters in Dead Or Alive 5, is truly a blessing in disguise! The VF characters played so much more loose and it was such a pleasure to play with them in that system. If the next VR game is made using the DOA engine. Holy hell, that would be like a revival!
Nice video. Of course what makes fighting games truly shine and worthwile is having a friend to play with. I mean single play can only go so far. Virtua Fighter 2 actually grew on me. Its really the kickin music that drew me in(Jeffrys theme ohh yeah) aswell as having good gameplay. (And very nice graphics) Some good times were had with a buddy of mine.
Yeah, I know that feeling. I had a pretty good Saturn collection and then had to sell the whole thing. But truth be told : I can't be without the Saturn for too long. I managed 3 years before caving in and buying a region modded Saturn lots of great Saturn games are still around and they don't have to cost much, especially not if you buy the Japanese versions.
I can sort of relate, I kept most of my best Saturn games, and sold off Astra superstars, Waku 7, Strikers 1945, Hyper duel, Assault suits Leynos, Layer section 2, Dodonpachi, Blast wind, Wolf fang, and Metal black. And I've regretted seling some of those.
@@JetWolfEX I had layer section 1 great game, and Waku Waku 7 and..... Well, anyway I don't think I will be going for the big guns again. I just have a Saturn back in my possession with some decent games and that's honestly good enough for me. Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. ...I'm making a note of Layer Section though.
I sold LS2 because 1 is better, and the superior arcade version is included on Taito legends 2 with Metal black, so I didn't need the Saturn version anymore. I mostly want Metal black again because of the cool cover art, and to use as a music CD, so it's not really a high prority right now. Wolf fang is the one I have the most nostalgia for it was really cool especially the music, I'll be getting it back very soon. Leynos 2 was also the first Saturn game I owned. I'm relying on Pseudo Saturn a lot more, many games aren't worth it now.
The 3D fighters might have been fun back in the day but didn't age that well in my opinion and the 2D fighters on the Saturn are on a way higher level for me personally as well.
I feel the same way the 2d fighting games were great all around on the saturn ( samurai spirits, X-men children of the atom, marvel super heroes, darkstalkers, groove on fight, waku waku 7, marvel vs street fighter, X-men vs street fighter). If they made a online vs collection with just the capcom titles mentioned I’d go nuts.
We saw those Sega 3D fighting games back at the day at Play Planet here in our local market. It was nostalgic and yet, I still remember these before the storm that Tekken dominated polygon fighters.
Thanks for memories. I remember how Pai was a pain to beat and the sounds of her attacks... The music has just started that your life bar was already half empty lol. Great game. Duel was a very good game too, loved Milan Flare, Pancho and Kill.
14:00 Nope, that plane isn't 3D as it is in Fighting Vipers. Fighters Megamix uses a 2D sprite of a plane posed in a takeoff angle already in the air and scales it toward the screen Space Harrier/Galaxy Force II style.
Out of all shown here Fighters Megamix is my fav, BUT I think that Last Bronx (I think that's how it's pronounced ) might change that if I played it. Nice video. .I enjoyed it.
I remember having mixed feelings towards The Duel cause it was a good fighting game however I'd still rather have another Golden Axe on a slash 'em up genre. Virtua Fighter had a good run but its lack of personality as you mentioned in the video would eventually wear it down. Due to that, Fighter's Megamix was the definitive Am2 game for me. Also, I never understood the Virtua Fighter realistic approach on the moves while the characters would jump 16 feet high like they were on the moon. The character physics when being punched never pleased me too, they looked like a wooden plank, wobbling with each punch. Tekken had more interesting characters since its first release with different endings, moves and camera angles that were far cooler. Not to say I only mentioned Virtua Fighter greatest rival, Dead or Alive too was developed on the same sega model 2 and had far more personality. Great video, keep up the good work.
VF KIDS was the first game I got for Saturn in 1998, it show a colourful splendour that I Think many people were not aware of about at the time when Saturn came out. It is as of now the only fighting game I own among my selection of games, I have done away with Street Fighter Alpha 2, VF2, and Fighting Vipers
Great coverage as always, but I do think you are short-changing VF Kids when it comes to the extra content. There are a lot of interesting modes and customizations available, and most importantly of all there were unique (and well-done) FMV endings for every character that you could unlock and then view later in the theater menu. It gave you a reason to keep coming back to finish the game, and this was almost a full year before Fighters Megamix. It's a game that's really underrated next to all SEGA's other excellent 3D fighters, but it's an interesting novelty that was made with a lot more love than you'd expect.
Hmm, I'll concede that VF Kids did give a gameplay incentive over many of the others in this video because of the addition of endings, but these endings were more short, comical skits than any real form of resolution and character development. I guess I just wanted more from Sega by this point, as fighting games elsewhere just had so much more content.
The thing that bugged me with the Golden Axe: The Duel was that there were no combos in the game, something that Street Fighter 2 and onward had. Because of that it turned the game into a series of one hit pokes which is just not that fun.
I really enjoy Gold Axe the Duel. I got a copy around 5 years ago, so not sure where the price is now, but I remember buying it thinking it was a little overpriced, then being surprised at it's quality. Highly recommended.
I think Dead or Alive is also worth mentioning. While it was made by Tecmo, Sega did license Virtua Fighter 2's engine to Tecmo for the game, and it's also a good fighting game
I caved and bought a Saturn again, with games. And while I tend to think Virtua Fighter 2 is a tad clinical and lacks personality, VF2 is the game that persuaded me to buy a Saturn. I saw the graphics and the smooth animation in a store and walked away, with a Saturn with 5 games back in 99. But personality I prefer Fighters Megamix, which has everything and more I am looking for in a beat em up. But VF remix is an amazing looking game in it's own right ( and plays pretty decent too )
@@fabiosemino2214 I still love Fighters Megamix. Its one of the games that came with the modded Saturn I bought ( and was a major influence on me buying it )
this also reminds me that of the fighting games on the saturn... not many got ported to newer consoles. if we even look at other fighters that were ported to the saturn like groove on fight... they didn't even see any new console ports. also joshprod is making a new fighting game for saturn, dreamcast, and switch... so it'll be cool to see a new fighting game on the system.
The Duel is an underrated game. I think time would be a lot kinder to it if Sega had released RODA first. What we really needed was a new Eternal Champions game. Sega messed up there.
Last Bronx is really quite underrated , and is unfairly seen as the "odd one out" . It plays really well , and imo is the best looking Saturn fighter along with DOA. Interesting thing about the PAL version was that it was optimised and thus runs at 576i (even sharper than the 704X480 the NTSC version ran at) , however when playing it I couldn't help but notice there was more slowdown and the speed was lower in general than the NTSC version (almost as if running it at higher res caused extra slowdown.
It's interesting seeing a very crude implementation of motion blur in Last Bronx, using a method that would be much more refined later on the Dreamcast version of Shenmue.
Just to add, one game you missed that was published by Sega and developed by SIMS (which SEGA owned and took control of) is NINKU a 2.5D game with 3D backgrounds, which is not that bad either. (oh, and Virtual ON as well, which of course you now and love)
Virtual on is the closest thing to a 3D fighter I own, Megamix looks fun even just for the cameo fighters from other games. Last bronx and VF2 look well made for the time
Agree about Virua Fighter, I loved it. The graphics weren't the best, but the movement of the characters was excellent and the moves were simple, but realistic and fluid. I don't want or need a back story or any story in a game, I just want different characters I can play and get straight in. Virtua Fighter 2 was fabulous!......Might have to get my old console out!
Nice review man! I've got every one of those games except the VF1 releases. Always been a bigger VF2 fan LOL... though they apparently fixed it with the Remix version, the original had a better port on 32X according to RGT 85.
Hmm, I probably want to play Golden Axe: The Duel more than it actually deserves, but I can't help it, I love Golden Axe! Fighters Megamix was an underrated gem, it just had hours and hours of content :D
The only 3D Saturn fighters that stand the test of time for me are... 1) VF Vanilla- Because of it’s historical significance as the first ever 3D fighter and my nostalgia for the Saturn launch.... I never did like the Remix version, and.... 2) VF2 & DOA- in large part due to the Saturn’s high res mode / 60fps showing it could techically best the PS1 in the right hands. Plus being great games.
VF2 was a neat magic trick by AM2, essentially the only thing on screen that was texture mapped 3D models was the two fighting characters. Everything else: the floor, the background, the sky, was 2D with clever transformation algorithms to fake a 3D look. I can sympathise with Saturn gamers feeling hope that things would get better from there but sadly since it was a parlour trick... VF2 was essentially the technological swan song of the Saturn. Panzer Dragoon 2 and Saga were bigger games but nothing reached the heights of impressiveness of VF2, running at the same resolution and framerate of a VGA dreamcast.
The floor, backgrounds, sky, etc. where done by the systems VDP2 processor. There was no clever trickery, that is what it was designed to do. It was a background generator that could scale and rotate two 3D planes completely separate from the VDP1 sprite and polygon generator. It was indeed one of the reasons the Saturn was more challenging to program for, but many games used it very similar to what VF2 did.
@@SegaLordX VDP2 handles 2D background layers, typical of old pre-3D arcade platforms like the CPS-2 or neo geo, or the obvious one: Sega's System 32. AM2 engineers figured out a way to use the 2D background layer as a fake floor by implementing matrix transforms on the 2D plane to contort it in sync with the main 3D engine's camera movements. Hope that helps explain things.
I'm afraid that isn't the case. VDP2 was indeed a 2D background layer chip, but it also did 3D planes. 2 of them in fact, as seen in games like Last Bronx. Many games used the 3D plane from VDP2, including the Panzer Dragoon games, a ton of the systems shooters like Radiant Silvergun, and even other fighters before VF2 like Virtua Fighter Remix. VDP2 was a versatile chip that assisted the Saturn's 3D engines in countless games. Nothing about VF2's use was special.
@@SegaLordX the 3D transformations are merely X,Y matrix transforms made to look 3D. Think of the transform tool in photoshop, if you hold Ctrl/Cmnd and move the corners around to warp the shape... you essentially get what VDP2 was doing.
We don't want to get too far from the original statement. You said AM2 used "clever transformation algorithms to fake a 3D look". VDP2 had the ability to do, by design, infinite 3D playfields that could be manipulated as large polygons that could be scaled, rotated, and given details like a textured polygon. This was the ring in nearly all of Sega's 3D fighting games. This was the ground in all the Panzer Dragoon games. It was many of the 3D backgrounds in the Saturn's shoot'em up library, such as Thunder Force V. It was no clever algorithm. It's what VDP2 was designed to do. And tons of games did it. That's what I'm saying.
I always had a preference for the flat shaded the Virtua Fighter character models. They have a feeling of volume that is not present on other iterations.
I've been watching your videos for a while now. I am a Sega fan as well. My first system was the Master system I got for Christmas back in 1988. I think you're one of the best on youtube. Keep the videos coming and don't change a thing. I have all these fighters and played half of them. Your video makes me want to play the others sooner than later. Thanks
To add on to your mini review of last Bronx, did you know that there was a full length Japanese only live action movie made about last Bronx, and last Bronx for the sega Saturn was the closest sega model 2 port outa all of them it was the most closest to the arcade version then any other model 2 port on the Saturn
All these games had other media in Japan that really padded out the experience. In NA where I was, you rarely even saw the arcade version, much less anything else.
Sega Lord X right because they used these amazing tricks that made some levels at some times look fully 3D but weren’t and they were able to achieve super amount of depth in there levels that not even virtua fighter 2 could even do at the time , and still to this day I sit here and think what if the Sega Saturn was capable of doing model 2 arcade perfectly lol can you even imagine the
I agree. Without Virtua Fighter there would be no tekken, killer instinct, soul calibur, etc virtua Fighter paved the way for 3D polygon fighting games.
Was Revenge of Death Adder/The Duel an either/or scenario? Because yeah, I'd have much rather have had Revenge of Death Adder. The Duel is fine though, I love the touch of including the gnomes. Great video, thanks for posting
I'm not sure what Sega was doing with Revenge of Death Adder. I understood why it never hit the Genesis, it would have needed to be cut back heavily. But Saturn man, it was a perfect fit. Why they never released there is a real bummer.
Sega Lord X still can’t believe it’s never showed up on anything. Hopefully it may see the light of day with the SEGA AGES line on the switch but I won’t be holding out hope.
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@@SegaLordX I have often wondered and do you know if it possible for someone to convert the likes of "Revenge of Death Adder" or any other unconverted arcade games and make them into a "homebrew" game for the Psuedo Saturn ? I know it can be theoretically done as I already have a "Sega Master System" emulator for the Psuedo Saturn and the games "Flashback", and unreleased games such as Major Damage and Fighting Force, for example and they work fine on my Saturn.
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VF2, FV and Last Bronx are all awesome.
I think Virtua Fighter Remix, 2 and Fighters Megamix are the games I played the most on my Saturn to date, with both Virtua Cops close behind. Virtua Fighter 2 still impresses me to this day, the game is a technical marvel.
Still can't believe Fighter Megamix has not gotten an HD port!
or a sequel
Vipers did.
Fighters Megamix is the best 3D fighter of the 32bit generation by far. Such a wonderful mix of styles and so upbeat. It could only have been made better by adding a story of some form in my opinion. Dead or Alive on Saturn is very close though...
TheVyperii I prefer VF2 but FM is awesome also
I agree, FM is amazing with incredible replay value. The slowdown can be aggravating in certain stages, like the elevator stage. One of my favorite 3D fighters.
Frankly Fighter Megamix was kinda a bummer. Audio and visuals didn't look and sound that great. But The roster was good like Jane from VC2, Hornet (Daytona car), and a few randoms.
I'm a new Saturn collector and your videos have been extremely educational and useful for me. Thanks, SLX.
Oh my childhood! Last Bronx and Virtua Fighter 2 were my favorites. Thank you so much for the video and the memories.
I love the VF serious, but i really wanted Eternal Champions on the saturn!😭
Which hurt even more considering all the early Model 1 console boxes had a still on the back of the box advertising a new Eternal Champions for the system.
@@rhettoric yesss
@@rhettoric I remember this oh so well...
I wanted a new eternal champions as well
And I have them all.
I used to sell SATURN hardware and software back between 1996 and 1998..
Here at Mexico almost nobody cared for the SATURN, PlayStation was everywhere.
So I opened a small store, and contacted TOMMO Inc. in order to import hardware and software for sale on my store......and for me ha ha ha ha.
Maybe that is why SATURN is my No.1 system.
En Latino America el saturn es un desconocido, en venezuela, Solo vi 1 anuncion en tv nacional, en mi ciudad que es de provincia solo lo vi en una gran almacén de electrónica....sega rally, enemy zero, virtua cop, house of the dead uffff espectacular!!!
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I always liked the VF series. My only complaint has been the big floaty jumps.
A common complaint. Later versions did address that though.
@@SegaLordX yes they did. My last VF was 4 on the ps2. Never been a big fan of fighting games but for some reason I like VF.
@@buckroger6456 I have to admit that VF4 on PS2 was the game that got me more into the series, even though I played 1-3 in the arcades and on my home consoles. The training mode in that game is still one of the best in my opinion, it teaches you how to play from a beginner up to pro level which is pretty crazy.
@@worsel555 VF4 is still my favorite fighting game. I like that you get to hit all the Sega arcades to challenge other real players data. Also a huge fan of customization of your character in the game as well.
I came here to mention Virtua Fighter 4, especially the evo edition. I'm not huge on fighting games but that game was awesome and challenging in a good way. Every fighter felt unique and it had great fighter customization ages before Injustice 2.
2:10 "...And the fighting styles were all based on real martial arts technique" Kage smashes his own skull against the ground.
The Saturn had amazing fighting games. I particularly like Last Bronx :)
I've also got my Dreamcast set up with a VGA monitor, fighting games like soul caliber and SFA3 look amazing
I too have my DC hooked up through VGA and have Soul Calibur on the ready. Lets go, I'll take you on!!
@@Mykaizer You're on!! Who's your favourite character on it?
@@CCoyle-fs3ym Probably Ivy. Love that her sword turns into a whip and then followed by the heavenly sexy Sophitia. 3rd would be Nightmare. Swinging around his huge ass sword is so satisfying.
@@Mykaizer yeah, Ivy's hard to predict. My favourite is Xianghua, then Mitsurugi, I love their styles. Did you complete the mission battle section? Some really difficult parts to it.
You should try dead or alive 2 on vga. Your mind will be blown
i remember being 11 years old, going to disney world Epcot and seeing SEGA world there I played panzer dragoon 2 ,last Bronx,virtua fighter 2 and sega rally and just going the PlayStation is over hyped
Agreed over Revenge of Death Adder it should have been on the Saturn. Just a couple of points though .. VF on the Saturn run at the same speed as the Arcade game (30fps) I can't think of any Model 1 game that didn't run at 30 fps Also I think you should have mentioned the stunning sound of VF on the Saturn, not just the better music (thanks to CD-DA) but also the bone crushing sound effects which were much higher quality than the Model 1 version, made great use of the Saturn's sound chip and still sound super impressive to this day.
I still remember playing Virtua Fighter PC in 1996 when Sega was dropping direct ports to Windows 95. Def was mad fun. I think it cost like $40-$45, which was like a fortune back then. Def good times.
Virtua Fighter hasn't received enough love from the community, until this day 😔 Graphics and innovation aside, the system/fighting mechanics, make it a well-balanced, deep fighter. #VF5FS is a jewel, and is available to play on Xbox One 😊
My friends and I are big Tekken fans. I had Saturn with VF2 & Fighters Megamix and a PS1 with Tekken 2 & 3 back in the day. Tekken got much more play. But in the recent year I downloaded a 32X emu with the VF rom and shared it along w/some cheap retro pc controllers. We can't stop playing it. It has more depth than I had realised. We bet lotto scratch offs on who wins lol. Tekken is still cool af but VF is like new and fresh. Currently seeing who can get the furtherst in Ranking mode. I also have VF2 on 360 now but the controllers don't feel right for a fighter. I must reclaim a Saturn!
@@AlfaRomeoQ Because tekken was "cooler" with more modes. It had more "balls" and played in the ps which gained huge popularity while sega fought with themselves internally. When you don't fully believe in your own console than its a problem.
Virtua Fighter was something completely different from the 2D stuff and looked deceptively simple while being at least as deep as something like Capcom 2D fighters. The Japanese got this and loved the game. All of Sega's 3D fighters sold a bunch of Saturns over there. Westerners preferred the flashy graphics of Toh Shin Den and the button-mashing accessibility of Tekken though. Being into martial arts, I really loved VF from the start. No fireballs, no green monsters, no buckets of blood... just awesomely smooth, strategic martial arts action. It was the first fighting game series that I really loved.
VF2 is my first 3D game,played VF2 hundreds of hours on PC,i discover new moves after 7 or 8 years,since i played last time/.
Facts. It's weird how underrated the VF series is.
17:29 I think Sega did not want the home versions to cannibalize their arcade business by adding more content to them since Sega owned their own arcades and amusement parks, unlike Namco and Capcom.
Last Bronx looks really badass; I've never heard of it before. I'll have to check it out, thanks.
Awesome compilation! This video was a joy to watch! Awesome episode man! Great video SLX!
Its worth noting SoA gave early Saturn owners a free copy of VF Remix. I called them as a kid asking for a copy as I bought the Saturn on day one. They asked for a receipt..but since it was months since I bought it, I lost it. However the operator was super cool and just mailed it to me anyways!! it was a big improvement over the original!! Btw, I recommend Groove on Fight, my favorite Saturn exclusive fighting game!
Golden Axe was a true "next-gen" experience on the Saturn. Fighter Megamix was super fluid and impressive game overall.
The inclusion of Virtua Fighter characters in Dead Or Alive 5, is truly a blessing in disguise! The VF characters played so much more loose and it was such a pleasure to play with them in that system. If the next VR game is made using the DOA engine. Holy hell, that would be like a revival!
Another work of art buddy... tue Saturn is like a fine wine, super expensive to collect for and only gets better as the years blast process by..
Megamix so cool , so many hidden features. The absolute best.
We need an updated Last Bronx!!
Nice video. Of course what makes fighting games truly shine and worthwile is having a friend to play with. I mean single play can only go so far. Virtua Fighter 2 actually grew on me. Its really the kickin music that drew me in(Jeffrys theme ohh yeah) aswell as having good gameplay. (And very nice graphics) Some good times were had with a buddy of mine.
So far, Fighters Megamix is my fave on the list. Such a great game and it's very easy to get into as well.
Nice... I had most of these....sigh... so gutted I had to sell the whole Sega collection i had... oh well. Channels like yours give me fond memories.
ouch!
Yeah, I know that feeling. I had a pretty good Saturn collection and then had to sell the whole thing.
But truth be told : I can't be without the Saturn for too long.
I managed 3 years before caving in and buying a region modded Saturn
lots of great Saturn games are still around and they don't have to cost much, especially not if you buy the Japanese versions.
I can sort of relate, I kept most of my best Saturn games, and sold off Astra superstars, Waku 7, Strikers 1945, Hyper duel, Assault suits Leynos, Layer section 2, Dodonpachi, Blast wind, Wolf fang, and Metal black.
And I've regretted seling some of those.
@@JetWolfEX I had layer section 1 great game, and Waku Waku 7 and.....
Well, anyway I don't think I will be going for the big guns again.
I just have a Saturn back in my possession with some decent games and that's honestly good enough for me.
Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.
...I'm making a note of Layer Section though.
I sold LS2 because 1 is better, and the superior arcade version is included on Taito legends 2 with Metal black, so I didn't need the Saturn version anymore.
I mostly want Metal black again because of the cool cover art, and to use as a music CD, so it's not really a high prority right now.
Wolf fang is the one I have the most nostalgia for it was really cool especially the music, I'll be getting it back very soon. Leynos 2 was also the first Saturn game I owned.
I'm relying on Pseudo Saturn a lot more, many games aren't worth it now.
2:12 "...based on real martial arts techniques..."
LOL!!
"The fighting styles were all based on real life fighting techniques."
*Kage jumps 10 feet and dive bombs straight on his fuckin head*
Amazing lol
lol, yeah, but stuff like that was the exception not the rule.
Fighters Megamix was incredible. By far a standard for 3d games on the saturn
I've played them all at the time! Seeing your video made me wanna play Last Bronx again.
Love the inclusion of Pepsiman in the Japanese version of Fighting Vipers. Great video as always!
I absolutely LOVE the 2D fighters on the Saturn!
The 3D fighters might have been fun back in the day but didn't age that well in my opinion and the 2D fighters on the Saturn are on a way higher level for me personally as well.
I feel the same way the 2d fighting games were great all around on the saturn ( samurai spirits, X-men children of the atom, marvel super heroes, darkstalkers, groove on fight, waku waku 7, marvel vs street fighter, X-men vs street fighter). If they made a online vs collection with just the capcom titles mentioned I’d go nuts.
We saw those Sega 3D fighting games back at the day at Play Planet here in our local market. It was nostalgic and yet, I still remember these before the storm that Tekken dominated polygon fighters.
02:10 "and the fighting styles were all based on real martial arts techniques" as Kage dives head first into the pavement! lol.
The fighting styles were all based on real Martial arts techniques.
Kage Dives headfirst into the ground
Lo
Yeah man, I'm down with original Virtua Fighter on Saturn too! A classmate had a Saturn with that and I loved going over to his house and playing it!
Thanks for memories. I remember how Pai was a pain to beat and the sounds of her attacks... The music has just started that your life bar was already half empty lol. Great game.
Duel was a very good game too, loved Milan Flare, Pancho and Kill.
14:00 Nope, that plane isn't 3D as it is in Fighting Vipers. Fighters Megamix uses a 2D sprite of a plane posed in a takeoff angle already in the air and scales it toward the screen Space Harrier/Galaxy Force II style.
I'd say that Virtua Fighter 2 has to be the best fighter on the Sega Saturn. Controls are tight and it plays fast
i absolutly love virtua fighter the very first one! just hearing the music brings me such sweet memories!
We need a Fighters Megamix 2 for the new systems.I loved Fighting Vipers!😉
Out of all shown here Fighters Megamix is my fav, BUT I think that Last Bronx (I think that's how it's pronounced ) might change that if I played it. Nice video. .I enjoyed it.
I remember having mixed feelings towards The Duel cause it was a good fighting game however I'd still rather have another Golden Axe on a slash 'em up genre. Virtua Fighter had a good run but its lack of personality as you mentioned in the video would eventually wear it down. Due to that, Fighter's Megamix was the definitive Am2 game for me. Also, I never understood the Virtua Fighter realistic approach on the moves while the characters would jump 16 feet high like they were on the moon. The character physics when being punched never pleased me too, they looked like a wooden plank, wobbling with each punch. Tekken had more interesting characters since its first release with different endings, moves and camera angles that were far cooler. Not to say I only mentioned Virtua Fighter greatest rival, Dead or Alive too was developed on the same sega model 2 and had far more personality. Great video, keep up the good work.
I have all these games and love them back in the day.
VF KIDS was the first game I got for Saturn in 1998, it show a colourful splendour that I Think many people were not aware of about at the time when Saturn came out. It is as of now the only fighting game I own among my selection of games, I have done away with Street Fighter Alpha 2, VF2, and Fighting Vipers
tfw when instead of listening to the commentary you're looking in awe at this guy's VF skills
Yu Sukzi creator o Virtua fighter is big fan of kung-fu movies,they`re even sounds from that movies in VF games.
Great coverage as always, but I do think you are short-changing VF Kids when it comes to the extra content. There are a lot of interesting modes and customizations available, and most importantly of all there were unique (and well-done) FMV endings for every character that you could unlock and then view later in the theater menu. It gave you a reason to keep coming back to finish the game, and this was almost a full year before Fighters Megamix. It's a game that's really underrated next to all SEGA's other excellent 3D fighters, but it's an interesting novelty that was made with a lot more love than you'd expect.
Hmm, I'll concede that VF Kids did give a gameplay incentive over many of the others in this video because of the addition of endings, but these endings were more short, comical skits than any real form of resolution and character development. I guess I just wanted more from Sega by this point, as fighting games elsewhere just had so much more content.
The thing that bugged me with the Golden Axe: The Duel was that there were no combos in the game, something that Street Fighter 2 and onward had. Because of that it turned the game into a series of one hit pokes which is just not that fun.
You basically described the gameplay of the Samurai Shodown series (The Duel was probably modeled after it) and those aren't bad games.
Great vid SLX
I really enjoy Gold Axe the Duel. I got a copy around 5 years ago, so not sure where the price is now, but I remember buying it thinking it was a little overpriced, then being surprised at it's quality. Highly recommended.
I think Dead or Alive is also worth mentioning. While it was made by Tecmo, Sega did license Virtua Fighter 2's engine to Tecmo for the game, and it's also a good fighting game
I always loved the flat shaded polygon style of VF1, I wish more games used that style!
Love the Saturn video's would love to see a video on everything house of the dead arcades and console ports good idea for a future video.
Was beginning to wonder if this video would cover Last Bronx. It's even less known about nowadays then both Fighting Vipers games.
I caved and bought a Saturn again, with games.
And while I tend to think Virtua Fighter 2 is a tad clinical and lacks personality, VF2 is the game that persuaded me to buy a Saturn.
I saw the graphics and the smooth animation in a store and walked away, with a Saturn with 5 games back in 99.
But personality I prefer Fighters Megamix, which has everything and more I am looking for in a beat em up.
But VF remix is an amazing looking game in it's own right ( and plays pretty decent too )
Dvdbytes I loved fighters Megamix too!
@@fabiosemino2214 I still love Fighters Megamix.
Its one of the games that came with the modded Saturn I bought ( and was a major influence on me buying it )
this also reminds me that of the fighting games on the saturn... not many got ported to newer consoles. if we even look at other fighters that were ported to the saturn like groove on fight... they didn't even see any new console ports. also joshprod is making a new fighting game for saturn, dreamcast, and switch... so it'll be cool to see a new fighting game on the system.
The Duel is an underrated game. I think time would be a lot kinder to it if Sega had released RODA first. What we really needed was a new Eternal Champions game. Sega messed up there.
Akira's Theme from VF2 @ 0:50 .... ahhhh yeahhh that's some good stuff!
Some of Sega's best.
Last Bronx is really quite underrated , and is unfairly seen as the "odd one out" . It plays really well , and imo is the best looking Saturn fighter along with DOA.
Interesting thing about the PAL version was that it was optimised and thus runs at 576i (even sharper than the 704X480 the NTSC version ran at) , however when playing it I couldn't help but notice there was more slowdown and the speed was lower in general than the NTSC version (almost as if running it at higher res caused extra slowdown.
fighters megamix was my favorite. i think i still have it for my saturn.
VF Kids also had a first for the series. Endings! I chuckle just thinking of Jacky running into the Sega sign being carried.
It's interesting seeing a very crude implementation of motion blur in Last Bronx, using a method that would be much more refined later on the Dreamcast version of Shenmue.
The movements of that wolf character looks a lot like the movements from that Tekken character called King
Lord ,this is fenomenal !!!! :-) :-)
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Fighters MegaMix is an all time favorite of mine.
Just to add, one game you missed that was published by Sega and developed by SIMS (which SEGA owned and took control of) is NINKU a 2.5D game with 3D backgrounds, which is not that bad either. (oh, and Virtual ON as well, which of course you now and love)
Beautiful and very informative video as usual!
No idea how many hrs. i played VF(1) - Fighters Megamix.
TBH i STILL play them from time to time! ^_^
Me too. That gameplay still holds up.
As I remember, it is 60 fields per second for VF2.
It is Interlaced, so 2 fields became 1 frame.
Finally it should be 30 frames per second.
Virtual on is the closest thing to a 3D fighter I own, Megamix looks fun even just for the cameo fighters from other games. Last bronx and VF2 look well made for the time
Agree about Virua Fighter, I loved it. The graphics weren't the best, but the movement of the characters was excellent and the moves were simple, but realistic and fluid. I don't want or need a back story or any story in a game, I just want different characters I can play and get straight in. Virtua Fighter 2 was fabulous!......Might have to get my old console out!
Nice review man! I've got every one of those games except the VF1 releases. Always been a bigger VF2 fan LOL... though they apparently fixed it with the Remix version, the original had a better port on 32X according to RGT 85.
Street Fighter Alpha 2 for lyfe!! Along with many others. 😊
Hmm, I probably want to play Golden Axe: The Duel more than it actually deserves, but I can't help it, I love Golden Axe!
Fighters Megamix was an underrated gem, it just had hours and hours of content :D
This is becoming my favorite channel
Glad some of the content appeals to you. :)
The only one of these I haven't played ever on this list is Last Bronx, I do have a back up copy of it though. I'll have to give it a try someday
The only 3D Saturn fighters that stand the test of time for me are...
1) VF Vanilla- Because of it’s historical significance as the first ever 3D fighter and my nostalgia for the Saturn launch.... I never did like the Remix version, and....
2) VF2 & DOA- in large part due to the Saturn’s high res mode / 60fps showing it could techically best the PS1 in the right hands. Plus being great games.
VF2 was a neat magic trick by AM2, essentially the only thing on screen that was texture mapped 3D models was the two fighting characters. Everything else: the floor, the background, the sky, was 2D with clever transformation algorithms to fake a 3D look. I can sympathise with Saturn gamers feeling hope that things would get better from there but sadly since it was a parlour trick... VF2 was essentially the technological swan song of the Saturn. Panzer Dragoon 2 and Saga were bigger games but nothing reached the heights of impressiveness of VF2, running at the same resolution and framerate of a VGA dreamcast.
The floor, backgrounds, sky, etc. where done by the systems VDP2 processor. There was no clever trickery, that is what it was designed to do. It was a background generator that could scale and rotate two 3D planes completely separate from the VDP1 sprite and polygon generator. It was indeed one of the reasons the Saturn was more challenging to program for, but many games used it very similar to what VF2 did.
@@SegaLordX VDP2 handles 2D background layers, typical of old pre-3D arcade platforms like the CPS-2 or neo geo, or the obvious one: Sega's System 32. AM2 engineers figured out a way to use the 2D background layer as a fake floor by implementing matrix transforms on the 2D plane to contort it in sync with the main 3D engine's camera movements. Hope that helps explain things.
I'm afraid that isn't the case. VDP2 was indeed a 2D background layer chip, but it also did 3D planes. 2 of them in fact, as seen in games like Last Bronx. Many games used the 3D plane from VDP2, including the Panzer Dragoon games, a ton of the systems shooters like Radiant Silvergun, and even other fighters before VF2 like Virtua Fighter Remix. VDP2 was a versatile chip that assisted the Saturn's 3D engines in countless games. Nothing about VF2's use was special.
@@SegaLordX the 3D transformations are merely X,Y matrix transforms made to look 3D. Think of the transform tool in photoshop, if you hold Ctrl/Cmnd and move the corners around to warp the shape... you essentially get what VDP2 was doing.
We don't want to get too far from the original statement. You said AM2 used "clever transformation algorithms to fake a 3D look". VDP2 had the ability to do, by design, infinite 3D playfields that could be manipulated as large polygons that could be scaled, rotated, and given details like a textured polygon. This was the ring in nearly all of Sega's 3D fighting games. This was the ground in all the Panzer Dragoon games. It was many of the 3D backgrounds in the Saturn's shoot'em up library, such as Thunder Force V. It was no clever algorithm. It's what VDP2 was designed to do. And tons of games did it. That's what I'm saying.
Ah the memories i remember playing the hell out of Fighting Vipers Raxel was the man!
I always had a preference for the flat shaded the Virtua Fighter character models. They have a feeling of volume that is not present on other iterations.
Another very sweet episode. A great, complete look at some of the great fighting games for a much beloved system.
Lol, Pepsiman is in Fighting Vipers? Yes, consuming nothing but Pepsi is all you need to fuel a muscular body.
I've been watching your videos for a while now. I am a Sega fan as well. My first system was the Master system I got for Christmas back in 1988. I think you're one of the best on youtube. Keep the videos coming and don't change a thing. I have all these fighters and played half of them. Your video makes me want to play the others sooner than later. Thanks
Not sure what's worse. No Death Adder port or having Fighting Vipers and Last Bronx completely dead. Damn it Sega.
At least the last two came to the PS2. Revenge of Death Adder is still MIA on anything but a damn emulator.
Ahhh… Fighters Megamix… The original 'Smash Bros' before Smash Bros.
To add on to your mini review of last Bronx, did you know that there was a full length Japanese only live action movie made about last Bronx, and last Bronx for the sega Saturn was the closest sega model 2 port outa all of them it was the most closest to the arcade version then any other model 2 port on the Saturn
All these games had other media in Japan that really padded out the experience. In NA where I was, you rarely even saw the arcade version, much less anything else.
Sega Lord X but would you agree with me that the Saturn version of last Bronx was the closest model 2 port on the sega Saturn ?
Yeah, it probably is. The graphics at times outshine even VF2.
Sega Lord X right because they used these amazing tricks that made some levels at some times look fully 3D but weren’t and they were able to achieve super amount of depth in there levels that not even virtua fighter 2 could even do at the time , and still to this day I sit here and think what if the Sega Saturn was capable of doing model 2 arcade perfectly lol can you even imagine the
I got this on PC.You can play 2 players on one keyboard.
Hooked on your vids man. Always get excited when you have a new one.
Idk about Infinite Wealth but Yakuza Like a Dragon does have 2 versions of VF2 & VF5 if i remember correctly.
I agree. Without Virtua Fighter there would be no tekken, killer instinct, soul calibur, etc virtua Fighter paved the way for 3D polygon fighting games.
I come up with new idea after watching fighters mega mix. SEGA you must make your own smash bros.
Thanks god that time i had a psone.
I love the flat shaded look.
I also like the quad look.
Golden Axe the Duel was a fine Samurai Shodown clone.
"In the land of retrogaming, gameplay is king" Amen.
Wish there was a Saturn version of Sonic the Fighters.
Where do you find that Thumbnail of VF at? It's really good!
It's pulled from the Japanese box art from VF Remix.