I like how it is not technically a fight to the death between shirou and archer but a clash of their ideal they share to see if it was a mistake or not
I still feel pretty weird and happy when I saw f/sn because I realized my dad is a pretty cultured person because when I looked up his old flash drive I saw the deen and the save files he have in f/sn and tsukihime and that was about a few years when I was born man I feel really happy
Only anime fans: Saber alter vs rider is best fight in fate series. Visual novel readers:Hold my bone of sword. (My top fights in vn are archer vs shirou , kirei vs shirou and shirou vs saber alter(Spark Liner High) .These are not just fights. They very well reflect the ideal conflict or emotional bond between the characters.While I love most of the battles in fate, these are truly special battles for me.)
for anyone who dosnt know spark liner high is one of the endings in the visual novel in which shirou fights saber alter alone and wins using archer memory and beating her with kansho and bakuya triple linked crane wings(which to that i say HOW TF IS ARCHER BEING SLEPT ON WHEN A NERFED VERSION OF HIM BEAT SABER ALTER)
Thanks, i might get some hate but i actually prefer the fight between shirou and archer in the deen adaptation. The pacing, how Emiya was used, etc. etc. I wanted to keep the same feeling as the movie
@@emiya2998 Nah I prefer the Deen ver. for the same reasons. The Ufo fight while good on it s own, went another direction and imo downplayed Shirou's resolve moment a bit. Deen ver. carries the same intensity as the VN.
@@DeeonleeCobb373 Yeah that's how I've come to see it too. It undermines Shirou in favor of Archer's perspective which isn't bad, especially coming from the VN to see the fight in another way, but makes Shirou look like a mindless nut who won through sheer plot and mc luck unlike how close and personal it felt here, where we as readers knew and understood how Shirou came to that conclusion, to keep fighting.
@@DeeonleeCobb373 Yeah that's how I've come to see it too. It undermines Shirou in favor of Archer's perspective which isn't bad, especially coming from the VN to see the fight in another way, but makes Shirou look like a mindless nut who won through sheer plot and mc luck unlike how close and personal it felt here, where we as readers knew and understood how Shirou came to that conclusion, to keep fighting. EDIT: They also shouldn't have drawn it out so long, as I think what made the fight so impactful for me was how quick everything was, it felt like anything could go wrong in such an intense moment, and makes the fight's end carry more momentum.
I fucking love this video so much, I love how you incorporated OST's from the UBW anime and Kenji Kawai's rendition of the Emiya theme A fantastic edit of my favourite fight scene in all of fiction God I love Shirou so much
@@r.k845 I'm grateful that your expecting things but I'm just a amateur editor so i don't want to get your hopes up too high, I'm sure there are better fellow youtubers out there
@@emiya2998 my guy Whatever those ideas are I WANT TO SEE YOU MAKE IT Amataur or not it mattres not all that mattres is that you made it and we enjoyd it
i love how the visual novel makes it very clear archer could have blocked shirou attack he was just so hypotized when looking at what he was at the past questioning if thats really what he used to be
An idea... but maybe you can combine the scenes from the anime and VN? Kinda like how a Japanese youtuber does it. He uses the soundtrack, and there are some cuts where he uses the scenes from the anime but for the most part it’s the VNs. His name is Saku.
Yeah I had an idea about that, I uploaded the video but sadly it was blocked due to copyright. I still have it and I'm waiting until it can be released with no problems. Thanks again though
@@kotominussy9754 I can agree to that. I'm trying to remember what massive cuts Kirei had other than the scene where Shirou gets Archer's arm. It's been a couple years since I first read the VN
The hanging is also figurative I think. We don't actually know how Archer died, it was a way to make us visualize how Archer was tried and killed by the same people he used to protect
Yeah, as much as I prefer Shirou vs Kotomine over this, I have to admit this scene is more important, and it was also the first scene in the entire VN where I just stood there in amazement of how special this story had become to me.
Yeah, as much as I prefer Shirou vs Kotomine over this, I have to admit this scene is more important, and it was also the first scene in the entire VN where I just stood there in amazement of how special this story had become to me.
If your talking about the anime than it is episode 19 Idealism's end, but if it's the VN than it is right before Shirou and Archer engages in a fight. It is when you enter The Einzbern castle and meet up with archer
If your talking about the Visual Novel then its this website drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxjqYGeW5hdDWExNSGdmeGJhQlU Here's a video of the tutorial ua-cam.com/video/Yuvnfr2KWWE/v-deo.html&ab_channel=KeeperOfEroge If your talking about the Realta Nua then this video will help you ua-cam.com/video/0T9C5F_ca2k/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Eraxsama
@nameless_moon It's merely a personal preference and I just can't understand why archer would do all this especially since he knows the outcome of such a path and he was determined as hell throughout the majority of the route to kill or dissuade his younger self. I mean in most series if an future self goes back to warn a younger self then it's worth listening to. Of course he wouldn't stop being a cg if he alters shirou's path but to just give up at the last moment comes off as a waste of time to me and him saying "the pathw as not wrong" makes me question why he did all this to begin with. Additionally, I couldn't stand the betrayed by the one he saved and pushing one's ideals too far (granted nasu overuses this trope a lot). It's also my fault that I couldn't understand why shirou chooses to stick to his ideals regardless of the consequences. This led me to believe that because ubw shirou knows the outcome he will not be as angry if he becomes archer or if he meets sla bad end. Maybe Rin may help but I don't think it's her responsibility to keep shirou in check nor will she give up her life and dreams for him. Now ai don't necessarily to give up his ideals but he takes them way too far. Just look at archer and emiya alter. Seriously, the latter is just something else but those who like him can have him including the negative consequences. Anyway, those are just my thoughts and you're free to disagree. If you can help me understand I will be most grateful.
@@thirdplanet4471 Resolve to fight vs resolve to oppress. To win vs to kill. Desire to save lives vs determination born from desperation. Will of one who risk everything he has vs wish of one who have nothing to lose. One with an end goal, and one who doesn't even know what he was fighting for. Under normal circumstances, Archer's ideology is a sure win. But, in a clash of ideals, it is a guaranteed lost. Despair can help you win people with things to treasure, but, when the battle is about who is right and wrong, you won't last long. Archer started his plan out of despair. And no, it isn't a waste of time. His fight against Shirou has fundamentally changed him forever, way more than any "killing yourself" could do to him. Had he won this fight, it would be even a true waste of time for him. These two tropes are realistic tropes tho. What can I say beside, eh, as your words put, your problems ? Shirou keep going his path as a hero, because, as he said himself, Archer has gone wrong way, but, the ideal of "saving all" is beautiful in itself. He might not actually want it himself at first, but he has grown to believe in and love this impossible dream. The path might be wrong, but the goal isn't. Yes, it is offcially confirmed that no Shirou in the main 3 routes will become Archer. Rin loves Shirou, so she already has taken it upon herself the responsibility of leading him the right way. Don't forget the original purpose of Rin for Holy Grail War was just "to win", and to fulfill her father's dying will, her clan's responsibility. In a way, she is Shirou and Archer, who doesn't take their inherited will seriously, but genuinely want to do so due to different reasons from the owners of the will.
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I like how it is not technically a fight to the death between shirou and archer but a clash of their ideal they share to see if it was a mistake or not
I agree that's what makes the fight so beautiful, it's not just brute strength but like what you said a clash of their ideals to see who's right
Oh wow a clash of ideals
I still feel pretty weird and happy when I saw f/sn because I realized my dad is a pretty cultured person because when I looked up his old flash drive I saw the deen and the save files he have in f/sn and tsukihime and that was about a few years when I was born man I feel really happy
The Tsukihime adaptaion or VN?
Your dad has read the f/sn visual novel? Your dad is awesome
@@joetaku8502 The VN
Your dad is the fellow sword
Your dad is certified Chad Type-moon fans
Never thought the franchise became this big,...when I played this scene at 2004
You deserve a veterans discount
Indeed, the franchise has become pretty big that it puts a smile in my face
@@emiya2998 Eh, I preferred meeting the random FSN reader over the gambling-addicted gacha slaves "knowing" FSN the last 6 years
How old are you sir?
@@Reoooooooooooooooooooooo I don't even count that shit as Fate. Fate stay night is the only fate I'll aknowledge
Only anime fans: Saber alter vs rider is best fight in fate series.
Visual novel readers:Hold my bone of sword.
(My top fights in vn are archer vs shirou , kirei vs shirou and shirou vs saber alter(Spark Liner High) .These are not just fights. They very well reflect the ideal conflict or emotional bond between the characters.While I love most of the battles in fate, these are truly special battles for me.)
for anyone who dosnt know
spark liner high is one of the endings in the visual novel in which shirou fights saber alter alone and wins using archer memory and beating her with kansho and bakuya triple linked crane wings(which to that i say HOW TF IS ARCHER BEING SLEPT ON WHEN A NERFED VERSION OF HIM BEAT SABER ALTER)
preach my guy, absolute facts right here
ayo wtf, your list is the same as me. My top fights in FSN are those too!
9 lives blade works>>>>
Shirou vs archer is still the best fight in anime.
Man you're a legend putting in the Emiya - Kenji Kawai ver 2. for the VN fight.
Thanks, i might get some hate but i actually prefer the fight between shirou and archer in the deen adaptation. The pacing, how Emiya was used, etc. etc. I wanted to keep the same feeling as the movie
@@emiya2998
Nah I prefer the Deen ver. for the same reasons. The Ufo fight while good on it s own, went another direction and imo downplayed Shirou's resolve moment a bit. Deen ver. carries the same intensity as the VN.
@@DeeonleeCobb373 Yeah that's how I've come to see it too. It undermines Shirou in favor of Archer's perspective which isn't bad, especially coming from the VN to see the fight in another way, but makes Shirou look like a mindless nut who won through sheer plot and mc luck unlike how close and personal it felt here, where we as readers knew and understood how Shirou came to that conclusion, to keep fighting.
@@DeeonleeCobb373 Yeah that's how I've come to see it too. It undermines Shirou in favor of Archer's perspective which isn't bad, especially coming from the VN to see the fight in another way, but makes Shirou look like a mindless nut who won through sheer plot and mc luck unlike how close and personal it felt here, where we as readers knew and understood how Shirou came to that conclusion, to keep fighting.
EDIT: They also shouldn't have drawn it out so long, as I think what made the fight so impactful for me was how quick everything was, it felt like anything could go wrong in such an intense moment, and makes the fight's end carry more momentum.
29:24 I really love that scene
The only ost that lands for me is Kenji
I fucking love this video so much, I love how you incorporated OST's from the UBW anime and Kenji Kawai's rendition of the Emiya theme
A fantastic edit of my favourite fight scene in all of fiction
God I love Shirou so much
Me too , Shirou has got to be one of the best character that was ever created :)
22:06 chills
I'd love you to do more scenes like this man.
Yeah I have couple of more ideas, right now im just waiting until heavens feel 3 ost gets released
@@emiya2998 blu ray is out. I'm expecting big things.
@@r.k845 I'm grateful that your expecting things but I'm just a amateur editor so i don't want to get your hopes up too high, I'm sure there are better fellow youtubers out there
@@emiya2998 my guy
Whatever those ideas are
I WANT TO SEE YOU MAKE IT
Amataur or not it mattres not all that mattres is that you made it and we enjoyd it
@@adam-dn3hi Thanks for the love g
i love how the visual novel makes it very clear archer could have blocked shirou attack he was just so hypotized when looking at what he was at the past questioning if thats really what he used to be
Best Shirou
Best route
HF Shirou is best for me
I'm a mixture between all Shirou's but if I were to choose one I like Archer
@@emiya2998 What do you think of Miyuverse Shirou?
@@whateverwhatever4476 I don't mind Miyuverse Shirou as well, but my all time favorite is Archer
Using other fate ost really adds a special touch even more
Thank you very much.
This is a masterpiece, I love it.
24:49 Shirou is using the seventh sense of saint seiya :o
*I am the bone of my sword.*
An idea... but maybe you can combine the scenes from the anime and VN? Kinda like how a Japanese youtuber does it. He uses the soundtrack, and there are some cuts where he uses the scenes from the anime but for the most part it’s the VNs. His name is Saku.
Yeah I had an idea about that, I uploaded the video but sadly it was blocked due to copyright. I still have it and I'm waiting until it can be released with no problems. Thanks again though
@@emiya2998 No problem! And I’m sorry to here about the problem you faced!
someone did it, inspired by his vid
I see using the ufo emiya theme version and mixing it with other OST nice.
Thanks bro
Ufotable did a shit job with heavens feel but ubw was actually alright
They did Sakura's story pretty well. But Illya got gone dirty. If they didn't rush the middle portion it would have been good.
@@PurpleRupees the affects of archer's arm, illya and kirei were all done dirty, they should've done 4 movies
@@kotominussy9754 I can agree to that. I'm trying to remember what massive cuts Kirei had other than the scene where Shirou gets Archer's arm. It's been a couple years since I first read the VN
@@PurpleRupees his backstory and his fight with Shirou was massively cut to extend the rider vs salter fight
Here's a good ost you could use it's called almost evil by infraction.
Still better than record of ragnarok season 1
Wait so does the visual novel never make any reference to the hanging?
it does it just doesn't show any images whatsoever. They reference it before Shirou and Archer fight
The hanging is also figurative I think. We don't actually know how Archer died, it was a way to make us visualize how Archer was tried and killed by the same people he used to protect
I like the use of the Kenji theme but I don't personally think the theme you used to replace Ever-present Feelings fit
Can you post the OST from the first 2 minutes?
Ufotable never released this version of Emiya.
of course, here is the link ua-cam.com/video/F0JIykGCI38/v-deo.html
This is the most important scene in all F/SN and movie did much better and faithfully.
Yeah, as much as I prefer Shirou vs Kotomine over this, I have to admit this scene is more important, and it was also the first scene in the entire VN where I just stood there in amazement of how special this story had become to me.
Yeah, as much as I prefer Shirou vs Kotomine over this, I have to admit this scene is more important, and it was also the first scene in the entire VN where I just stood there in amazement of how special this story had become to me.
Should've keep the this illusion piano instead of ever present feeling tbh.
Where can i find the scenes that explain to me that Eimya is contracted with the counter force ?
If your talking about the anime than it is episode 19 Idealism's end, but if it's the VN than it is right before Shirou and Archer engages in a fight. It is when you enter The Einzbern castle and meet up with archer
Emiya i see a lot of changes between adaptation and anime
I am going to check that rn
What happened for a day or two it was gone. Thought it was copyright striked.
It was lol, I just disputed it back
Is anyone reading the UBW manga?
Wat music was used at 29:36
Sorrow, ua-cam.com/video/RDMXVvHSnJ0/v-deo.html&ab_channel=NM64
Trace ON
Can you tell me what the ost at the start is ?
Its Emiya the unreleased ost , ua-cam.com/video/F0JIykGCI38/v-deo.html
:( i cant watch it
What version of the visual novel is this?
Probably Realta Nua
it's the original one, i just edited the music out and replaced them
Where did you download
If your talking about the Visual Novel then its this website drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxjqYGeW5hdDWExNSGdmeGJhQlU
Here's a video of the tutorial ua-cam.com/video/Yuvnfr2KWWE/v-deo.html&ab_channel=KeeperOfEroge
If your talking about the Realta Nua then this video will help you ua-cam.com/video/0T9C5F_ca2k/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Eraxsama
Wish archer had won
Why
He cannot win this fight lol. He literally has a severe lack of resolve to fight when the one he fought was his past self.
@nameless_moon It's merely a personal preference and I just can't understand why archer would do all this especially since he knows the outcome of such a path and he was determined as hell throughout the majority of the route to kill or dissuade his younger self. I mean in most series if an future self goes back to warn a younger self then it's worth listening to.
Of course he wouldn't stop being a cg if he alters shirou's path but to just give up at the last moment comes off as a waste of time to me and him saying "the pathw as not wrong" makes me question why he did all this to begin with.
Additionally, I couldn't stand the betrayed by the one he saved and pushing one's ideals too far (granted nasu overuses this trope a lot). It's also my fault that I couldn't understand why shirou chooses to stick to his ideals regardless of the consequences. This led me to believe that because ubw shirou knows the outcome he will not be as angry if he becomes archer or if he meets sla bad end. Maybe Rin may help but I don't think it's her responsibility to keep shirou in check nor will she give up her life and dreams for him. Now ai don't necessarily to give up his ideals but he takes them way too far. Just look at archer and emiya alter. Seriously, the latter is just something else but those who like him can have him including the negative consequences.
Anyway, those are just my thoughts and you're free to disagree. If you can help me understand I will be most grateful.
@@thirdplanet4471 Resolve to fight vs resolve to oppress. To win vs to kill. Desire to save lives vs determination born from desperation. Will of one who risk everything he has vs wish of one who have nothing to lose. One with an end goal, and one who doesn't even know what he was fighting for.
Under normal circumstances, Archer's ideology is a sure win. But, in a clash of ideals, it is a guaranteed lost. Despair can help you win people with things to treasure, but, when the battle is about who is right and wrong, you won't last long.
Archer started his plan out of despair. And no, it isn't a waste of time. His fight against Shirou has fundamentally changed him forever, way more than any "killing yourself" could do to him. Had he won this fight, it would be even a true waste of time for him.
These two tropes are realistic tropes tho. What can I say beside, eh, as your words put, your problems ?
Shirou keep going his path as a hero, because, as he said himself, Archer has gone wrong way, but, the ideal of "saving all" is beautiful in itself. He might not actually want it himself at first, but he has grown to believe in and love this impossible dream. The path might be wrong, but the goal isn't.
Yes, it is offcially confirmed that no Shirou in the main 3 routes will become Archer. Rin loves Shirou, so she already has taken it upon herself the responsibility of leading him the right way. Don't forget the original purpose of Rin for Holy Grail War was just "to win", and to fulfill her father's dying will, her clan's responsibility. In a way, she is Shirou and Archer, who doesn't take their inherited will seriously, but genuinely want to do so due to different reasons from the owners of the will.
@@thirdplanet4471 And, aren't there real good reasons for Archer and Emiya to took their ideals too far ? Seriously, did you even read the novel lol.