Anvil 0105: Over/Under stock repair discussion
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- After 35K + rounds, the head end wood needed attention , so we DID THE MAINTENANCE. What we show is not a tutorial. If you do not posses the skills to perform at this level, do NOT attempt. Support us: / anvil
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Mr. Caldwell has been banished. He is such an amazing guy because he says I suck. English gunsmiths should be ashamed, because they talk shit, but NEVER show us the better way. Always with the "we have a secret". Total bullshit. Make a revelavent comment, show us how , or shut up.
Ah. That explains why I wasn't able to see your reply to his, shall we politely say, inane, comment.
I have to wonder how you DO work with wood, if using wood tools, care, knowledge, and following the grain is the wrong way. Maybe with a blowtorch? I once had someone seriously tell me that using a gas axe was faster than using a bandsaw. Yea, and it even keeps on cutting after you stop!
@@lwilton Outstanding
Man I learned more about stock repair than I ever thought I'd want to know when I brought a 200 plus year old East India Company Brown Bess back from the dead. The stocks on those guns were so trashed that IMA stopped offering the complete untouched guns for sale. When I emailed them pictures of the restored musket, they could hardly believe that the stock was actually an original. Im probably one of the few who were crazy enough to actually save one of those stocks. I need to get back into the gunsmithery business but i don't have the coin to start a business and working for someone else is no way to earn a living (been there, done that).
OUTSTANDING
He brews, therefore he is. Another good one!
When we got back from our honeymoon, my wife made me coffee for my first day back to work. Maxwell House Instant. She had never made it before, so she figured that it was like hot cocoa. Three heaping teaspoons worth. 50 years later, and my eyes still won't shut all the way.
HAHAHA! Now *my* is in my nose🤣
Great Stuff Mark. Reminds me way back when my Grandpa was building guns for Springfield . love your videos , brings me back when i was 5 and 6 years old standing next to him watching and learning the trade at the armory.. He would say the same things you do, Don't be in a hurry, take your time or you're going to scab out the wood and have to start over ..Move your hand away from the front of the chisel or your going to cut your self . put your safety glasses on ... ect ect ect.. Thanks mark, i really enjoy watching, learning different techniques and touch up on things i have learned over the years..
I'm going to have to remember "I don't have a lot of oopsie-daisy time" for the next time someone's trying to rush me at something that already has a tight deadline.
You need to get yourself some Sorby paring chisels. You can hollow grind them and have an edge that will shave cells off of end grain.
I've been using them for years doing guitar and gunstock repairs.
Mark I learned this by accident a long time ago, once a skeet shooter wanted me to bend his grade 4 browning OU stock, when I removed the stock to prep it I found browning put a long aluminum pipe over the draw bolt to prevent receiver splitting.this is only done on high end stocks, but after I saw that I expanded it into my general stock repair , and now I just add a pillar butted up against the back of the receiver with the drawbolt going through it and just acraglass the aluminum or steel pillar in just make sure to not epoxy drawbolt for obvious reason,
Yes, precisely
Most underrated channel on youtube.
Truth!
Every episode is a joy to watch. I always learn things, and laugh a lot. Love your craftmanship and your great sense of humor, Mr. Novak.
Mark, I once owned that chisel. And learned that there are very fine chisels to be had, and fine sharpening wheels to keep them razor sharp. You did an exceedingly precise job with the tool you used. Best Regards
In my years of stock repair I have found that rust-oleum olive drab spray paint will cover most all stock wood imperfections as well as gun metal protection. The firearm might not be pretty but it still puts meat on the table quite nicely. Mark you have the hands of a surgeon.
My guy is absolutely brutal and makes an ugly looking gun that feels like a silk purse but looks like a sow’s ear. He’ll do pretty but the price goes up significantly. I had him mill my S&W Model 41 and asked him to do it pretty. It wasn’t cheap and he did a tiny bit of action and trigger work and I just about doubled the cost of the gun. I shoot the absolute daylights out of it and it’s cranky and likes very limited ammo. But man alive it’s beautiful and it runs. Makes me shoot like Annie Oakley. Really makes me notice how inferior my other guns are. 😢
My race guns look like crap, and run like champs. It’s way cheaper then most people think to have custom, truly custom guns modified or even built. My G34 was $2,000 plus the gun and I have 70,000rds into it. Each round cost me three and a half cents extra to have insane performance. It fits my hand and blindfolded points to within 3” at 5yrds so great for fast no look shooting, (obviously it’s live fire and I look where I’m shooting, but it’s instinct). He knows what guns fit my hand and point instinctively because he knows where all my bones are and how I aim, (cross eye dominance shooting weak side with astigmatism and mostly closing my weak eye). It’s not as technical as a shotgun skeet shooter but handgun modification is no small thing either.
In my old age I now go for beautiful and better than new looks on firearms, but way back when I had no problem using electrical tape to fix a cracked stock as long as it shot well for me. My eye doctor once told me that I had astigmatism. I asked the Doc what that meant and he told me my eyeballs were oval shaped and then asked me if I watched a lot of football.
I wind up watching Mark's videos more than once.
Never get tired of watching this. Thank you Mark and you too Bruno.
Solid advice on the coffee brewing!
Love the craftsmanship effort and time taken with camera and lighting to make this episode, solid job boyo
As always it's an honor to watch you work.
Thanks
Mark you are right on the shinto rasps. The will take off a tremendous amount of material in not a lot of time. I'm not a gunsmith but a home hobbyist and I gotta say they really are above and beyond what you need for stocks.
your content is way better than most
Another great video of a craftsman doing his passing on of the right way to do things!
Congrats Mark!
This series made me inspired to join a gunsmith school, is just amazing how skilled one can become with experience and still be able to learn new stuff
Oh man! That closing wisecrack is the mother of all dad jokes! 🤣🤣🤣
I find this channel extremely calming and Informative. Grand-dad level craftsman advice. 👍👍
'He brews' love it......
Mark, I cannot stress enough how much you teach guys like me, in our infancy of gunsmithing, to do these things. Thanks again for an awesome lesson!
I was just fixing and installing some old scope mounting rings and fixed the gouged screws with Mark's methods successfully and was thinking that he must upload soon... and there he is ;)
"Polished. Hammer. Faces." -Mark Novak
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@@mannys9130 That has burned into my brain along with many other simple rules of life :)
Absolutely love watching you work, you are a volume of knowledge and I thank you for sharing some of it. P.S I especially love watching you do shotgun repairs, the older the better.
This is really up there in the PHD realm of craftsmanship. There is something about American know how and perfection that isn't perfection that is in the DNA of people that came here from other lands. The Shakers are a good example it not only has to work beyond the grade of"well"
it has to be more than a working instrument. More than the sum of its parts. Thank you Mark.
I am so impressed with that Shinto rasp I just ordered one--Thankfully in stock and not on a container ship!! Thank you for more knowledge!!!
Same! Though in the UK the bigger version is in stock and the smaller one is expected to arrive in January 2022.
Yes a new episode, every day I await a notification and today I smile.
I love your “rabbit holes”!
incredible talent witnessed by the workmanship
He-Brew. No kidding. She knows better then to touch my coffee . Great job
Indeed!
this has something meditative all the while i am still learning to take my time when im doing something
I've learned so much watching your videos! You should archive all these too upload elsewhere in case youtube takes it down. I like how you said figure out why it broke and prevent it from breaking again.
don't care bout your nose..too busy watching you do your artistry.....thanks again for showing us knowledge hungry.people how it should be done..and thank you bruno for all you do to let us see a master at work
17:50 - When he says "whiting, he means calcium carbonate to suck out the oil. Get it from Brownells. It works best on hot wood. You can also add some acetone to it to really penetrate the wood.
Don't leave home w/o it. The whiting. It is awesome stuff and goes a very long way.
That is one hell of a rasp you started cutting down with. I gotta get me one of those.
Shinto rasps are awesome.
Not gonna lie mark, this isnkind of a validating video for me. I fixed a chip similar to that one on an old, and very cheap, sxs for a friend. I was flying by the seat of my pants and a very limited amount of knolwedge/experience, but apparently I approached it in close to the right way at least. Now I wanna get in touch with him and get a pic, I know he was a dove hunting menace last year with it! We did make sure the cheeks of the receiver where inlets properly, but it makes me tempted to see if he'll give it back to me after dove season and let me try some bedding to the rear, and a couple of things I know now I didn't do quite right. I'd like to take a second pass at refinishing that stock anyway. I won't play with mechanics of a gun, that's for a pro, but I would like to improve my ability to carve stocks, and eventually build a nice flintlock rifle!
And no Mr atf agent watching, I didn't take a dime of money, or goods, in trade for doing the work on the guns stock. He's an old friend, and the gun was not worth what it would be fair to pay someone like Mark to do it. I offered to try so he could keep hunting with his favorite old field gun. He came by afterwards and was overjoyed the stock looked like it did. My only compensation is that he plans to use that gun with his little boy in a couple years so he can learn to dove hunt! I may even try casting their initials in brass, and offer to inlet them for him, im just getting in to casting. Sad, but their are jerks who will try to make an issue out of things like that.
Great stuff! When you clamp the stock down, putting a piece of wood within the gap would help prevent crushing accidentally
True, but I was highlighting a hazard here.
always a joy to watch you work, chief. carry on.
He Brews is awesome God Bless you for your service!
Excellent video I really enjoyed watching it
Thanks for taking us along with you again. I know this project is pressing and filming eats up precious time, but if you and Bruno can make it happen a bit on the proposed tang/stock bolt pillar and how you put on a finish in under three days would be......outstanding!
We got 3 passes of oil, only. The unit will be back for stock polishing and metal work later. We got what we could edit in a timely manner, and called it
Another great video. I'll admit....when you first stuck that complete block on top of the glue, I thought "oh no, what is you doing!!" But of course you know what you're doing and it came out great.
I was not prepared for the ending joke.
Gunsmith? No. You are a true artist.
Mark,
Does the wood shavings ADD to the flavor of that cigar?
Oh YES
Nice enough repair and restoration, although not ideal. It's far better to leave no air gaps and share recoil among all contact points between action and stock, rather than shift it to the rear of the top strap. Recoil becomes virtually guaranteed to split the stock at that location. So many splits found in old and new stocks bear witness to such structural flaws.
Repair work should involve just as much skill as new build work and while there are so many ways a craftsman can fulfil the process, the life expectancy of the repair is the thing that counts 🙂
Saw rasps are great tools for rapid stock removal, plus fine cut Japanese pull saw can make life so much easier if you need to remove waste quickly from infill work without disturbing fresh glue joints. Leave no trace of your work. If a piece is new the result should be as good as new and all aspects should be sound, regardless of restoration or repairs to comparatively new work🙂
hermozo trabajo... me encanta esa escofina japonesa
dear mr novak, i have been so bold as to pass on some of your tips and advice to mechanical engiineers to applause/
Keep doing that please. Spread the word.................!
YAY another Video from Mark
Very informative!! Thanks for sharing!
PS. Would like to see that pull the Oil out of the wood trick. Saw some old PBS furniture repair guys use cigar ash to remove rings ... like to know the trick for oil.
Make a paste of whiting and acetone. Heat area with heat gun, oil will come to the surface. Place whiting to absorb oil. Scrape off when cool. Repeat
@@marknovak8255 Thank you.
@@marknovak8255 Thank you!
@@marknovak8255 excellent tip Sir.
Another outstanding performance! I am also plauged by a large nose, by I do not fret as Everyone knows, a large nose is indicative of other large extremities😁
Where do I get the model of vice that he has? It even comes with a built-in cigar holder! LOL
Nice woodworking, definitely learned on this one. Bravo Zulu.
Classic and well done sir!
The other (unspoken) reason to make the coffee is so you have coffee the way you like it instead of the way she likes it.
Well brewed.
Oh, that hurt ... He-brews...
Very clean repair man
You definitely out smart the object you're dealing with....
Blessed art thou our Lord for the blessings of coffee!
A freshly brewed cup of coffee is a marital aid, when delivered to her nightstand upon her waking up each morning. How do I know that?
Because Her Ladyship is an instant human, just add coffee? 😇
A fresh cup of coffee on the nightstand in the morning says "I love you, and I care about you so much that I want to make your day as easy and pleasant as possible from the moment you wake up." It's the little things in a relationship that keep someone in love and demonstrate their affection. "Hey honey, I saw that 9mm was in stock at Big 5 so I got you a box." "That's so awesome! I saw that the bakery had your favorite eclairs so I got you a box of those too on the way home from work!" 😊 Water each other's garden.
Mark reading my mind again @22:25 "Oh, this is the easy part." Nope, it's another "watch your ass" part.
Outstanding
Mr. Novak, I was a student of yours back when you were teaching in 2011. I’ve been trying to get in touch with you about some work I need done on a firearm I’m building or some advice. If you could get back to whenever you get a chance I’d really appreciate it.
What are you into....?
markfixesguns@gmail.com
@@marknovak8255 everything has come in and I replied to your email. Thanks mr. Novak
Very well done
I liked the dog-bone idea to prevent it from happening again.
Root cause analysis baby
He bruise too, if she gets really upset.
Ugh, what a dad joke! Always informative thank you for all you do.
This may be a stupid obvious question, but is there a good book or resource on proper "Maintenance" versus just "cleaning?" Particularly for wood-stocked firearms versus plastic. On milsurps you seem to delineate between cleaning-type care, and what the armorers would do for rehab, and full on rebuilding.
Mark, does wood dust ever 'flavor' your cigars? If so, what's your favorite wood?
Maple, oh yessss
When you're fixing those chips, have you ever chiseled off part of the block you're using to fix it? In a way that would make you have to redo the gluing and whatnot. I ask cause there were some hairs on the back of my neck standing up when you were shaving it down to size. Thanks for the video, always entertaining and always enlightening.
I'm 100% positive he has. Probably not in a long time, though.
22:30. There's your answer. "HOW. DO. I. KNOW. THAT?" Yes, guarantee you he has fucked up many repairs early on in his career and had to start over again.
Thanks for the video.
Thank you!
Had a question about tung oil/lo/blo. I recently learned that American boiled linseed oil isn't actually boiled and actually has chemicals added to make it dry faster (can be caustic/heavy metals) Was wondering if I could boil the linseed oil myself to get it to polymerize and create the strong finish or if tung oil would be better to use and still achieve the rich finish of linseed oil
24 minutes felt like 2 minutes! Studying how you approach the repair, intense!
Great video! Thanks. I personally don't want anyone who doesn't drink coffee to make my coffee. That would be like have the cashier at the grocery store cut my stake chances are it's going to be tough.
Most stakes are tough.
Thanks Mark
I sm curious why you didn't put a small spacer (Deltrin perhaps?) between the tongues of stock wood in the vise to help prevent the flex when tightening the vise? Nice repair.
True, but I was highlighting a hazard here.
Doing stock work is as much art as it is patience. But much like metal work, it's easier tot take off than put back on, slow deliberate cuts and file strokes finish with a scraper and it should look spectacular.
10:43
Looks like you were right as thay front corner was definitely filed down too low. Should've cut that piece off and started over imo.
Thirty five thous- no wonder the stock is chipping off, it’s like expecting a Model T that’s been driving since it left the factory to need tuning and parts replacement.
If that many rounds went through a rifle it'd be a smooth bore. The thing that I've been thinking is if that particular gun has had 35,000 rounds through it, imagine how many total rounds the professional shooter has fired overall. 🤔
This is one of the reasons I like synthetic stocks versus wood stocks. Wood stocks break and they aren’t easy to replace. They aren’t easy to repair either. Repairing a wood stock might be your only option. There aren’t very many people who can do a good wooden stock repair. A lot of the content on this channel is of Mark fixing other people’s wooden stock screw ups. If a gun has an option for a synthetic stock, I’ll buy that model gun. If a synthetic stock just does happen breaks, they can usually be replaced easily and cheaply.
I was just using that shinto file today.
Next on Mark Novak; how to carve a wooden Duck. Followed by how to carve a wooden boat. Because he's wood working skills are a lost art. And I'm pretty sure that carving things like that are a piece of cake, for him. Haha.
Mark, the gunsmithing Bob Ross. He's Navy instead of Air Force though.
"We're gonna make a happy little chip here with our chisel, and rasp off some happy little sawdust pieces here. Now don't ever think you can't do woodworking, because we all can. We came from nature like trees did. Believe in yourself. You can restore your firearm stock if you want to spend the time to learn and practice. Now, let's put this chip back into this MP-18 stock together real quick, shall we? Let's mix up a happy little batch of Acraglass. DO NOT USE BROWN DYE YOU BOZO, GRAIN IS BLACK NOT BROWN! Whoops, getting a little excited, calm down Mark, it's ok. Alright now let's take that glass and glue our happy little wood piece to our stock. Juuuuuust like that. See, you're doing great! I knew you had it in you."
@@mannys9130 Nice
Would a block of wood placed between the wings prevent movement while rough filing?
That’s what I was thinking. And not necessarily a piece of wood but anything that wouldn’t damage the stock but that would hold the stock ears from flexing like they were. I kept incisions it breaking. lol
I know it wouldn’t have and didn’t, because it’s Mark. But ya’ just never know. On me, it’s break.
As always enjoyed, Why Not put a spacer block between the stock arms to remove the flex when in the vice.?
True, but my way points out the hazard, eh?
I have been wanting to try one of those Shinto Saw rasps for a couple years now, but I just keep forgetting.
I'm so used to just using a Nicholson 4 in hand for the things I do that it never ends up being much of a priority, it should be though because the Mexican and Brazilian made stuff isn't as good as the old American made Nicholson.
I agree. "Nicholson" is shit
@@marknovak8255
It's too bad Simonds and Heller are gone too.
I've heard good things about Pferd, but have never tried them.
I was looking into F.Dick because I know their cutlery is great, but have heard some mixed reports.
The days of high quality files being affordable and readily available seem to be long gone, and it's a shame.
@@TylerSnyder305 yard sales. Sometimes you can find some old guy stuff that is sharp and gold. Unfortunately most of it is worn out and/or rusty but sometimes….
@@john-paulsilke893
Used to be able to count on finding stuff in decent condition, but not so much these days.
He brews lmao! Nice one.
If I need to remove a fair amount of wood, I use a Stanley surform rasp. Mine looks like a file. Makes short work of removing wood.
enjoyed. Thanks.
Why don’t you place a piece of wood or something else inside the gap are prior to placing in the vise
For support
Your nose has its own ZIP code. I haven't heard that joke since Klinger pulled it on M*A*S*H
P.S.
I can’t believe 7 people, I can’t believe anyone would have given this video a thumbs down. What donks!
Wonderful repair, but I think your slinging some scuttlebutt on the coffee though.😏
Mark, if you would, what’s the stuff you said you’d use/used to draw the oil out? Thanks in advance.
35 thousand rounds is more impressive when it comes with 17 thousand reloads
I have a old Hopkins and Allen falling block that I have some questions about when you have a min