1897 Trench Conversion: Anvil 0144
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- Aftermarket nose metal meets mutt 1897 meets repop 1917 bayonet. What could possibly be difficult about that? EVERYTHING, just sayin. NOT a tutorial...we show what you need to learn, not how to do. Cannot perform at this level? Do NOT attempt. Support us: / anvil
Great video. Mark, glad to see you back in the shop doing what you do best. The weather is an element that May affect us differently, depending where we are, but the video works. Love the part, and you called it, when you were slam firing the bayonet fell right off.
I've been waiting for Mark to go back down the rabbit hole in a full episode!
Yea ive been having withdrawals.
@ExtremelyRightWing same here... I think Mark is really a low key enabler/dealer of quality 2A related content that we are all addicted. 🤣
I found one of these in a pawn shop a few years ago and always wanted a trench gun. So I talked the pawn shop down to $350 for an original 1897 then I bought a shroud, got a damaged barrel and cut it down, fit the shroud and blued and aged it to match the original wear of the rest of the gun and never looked back. It’s beautiful and scratches that itch for me. I still have the original barrel in case I should ever want to restore it to original but honestly I don’t think I ever will.
I have both M1897 and M12 Trench guns. On original trench gun barrels there are indeed slots machined into the barrel to prevent the heat shield from turning.
its like my birthday every time one of your videos pops up in my feed, chief.
Possibly the best Anvil video yet. I love hiw you just made it work, with parts that didn't fit. The triumph of skill, know-how, equipment and perseverance over adversity. Personally, I would have drawn the line at slotting the barrel, but to each his own. The dropping bayonet was priceless! Thank you for the fantastic channel, and pkease keep it up. You and Art's Gun Shop are gifts of great knowledge. Thank you.
I don't have the tools to do anything, but I still enjoy the videos. I love watching the whole repair process and your explanations are great.
No I don't have all those neat lathes, machines and stuff. Don't even have a Winchester '97. But I do love watching master class techs work their wonders.
I've built replica M97 in takedown and non variants with original guns and the repop shrouds. The nose caps were available from Numrich. They even used to sell a few US marked barrels. All barrels were slotted - it's what keeps the shroud in place and not off the front of the barrel. They're also all 20" tubes, though WWII variants were a touch longer for some reason. There is a great book on trench guns available that gives enough pictures and measurements that I've built replicas of every one our military ever used. Good video. Seems like a lot more work than necessary for the 97 though. Looking forward to your video on the Remington model 10 trench.
I worked with a 29/32' drill bit for years: it's a clearance drill for 7/8" axle pins in forklift tip rollers, which were drilled out using a giant lathe. It's amazing how much effort it can take to make something simple and beautiful.
Always awesome when we get a new Anvil. Cheers from WA state!
Cheers from Everson, WA. Ferguson is really gonna screw us, isn't he?
"...thicker than you think, thinner than you'd wished." That's exactly what she said. Appreciate the lesson as always Sailor. 🤙 🇦🇺 ✌️
Who else hits the like before starting the video? 😁
Raw Rrrrr!
Dakadaka brrrrrrt 😂
Always on Anvil vids. Craftsman, at the tippedy top of his game, sharing experience and wisdom? Absolutely immediate click on the like button.
Me always
Anvil, C&Arsenal and Ian.
28:54 the 97 trench that’s been handed down through my family has threaded grooves exactly like that at the 6 o’clock position of the barrel.
My biggest regret is getting rid of my model 97 , Mark you did a fantastic job on this piece of history. Great video. 😊
I love this stuff! Just wish I’d of been able to get into it when I was younger. Oh well, one of many regrets.
Thanks for the content and free education Mark!
Yet again you show your experience in bucket loads whilst being entertaining at the same time. Thankyou again.
love that the bayonet fell off at the end lol
Mark and Rick. Glad to see the dream team back on the camera! Love these custom jobs Mark, outstanding!
one of the best and outstanding gunsmithing chanel! Love it!
I am SO glad you made this video, Mark. Now I know that the 19" barrel on my 1932-ish Model 97 is too short to be a "trench gun", so you saved me a lot of $$'s and grief. By the way; mine has one of the first generation aftermarket screw-in choke sets. They're... thin, but the gunsmith up in Caldwell, Idaho that did the work, said he had no trouble doing the job. It's a very useful shotgun; I've shot everything from skeet to upland birds with it. Swings way too fast, but... practice fixes that. By the way; if memory serves, the real, original Model 97 trench guns were NOT take-down models, so breaking the gun down was not an issue. But, at my age? With my memory, I wouldn't swear to that...
Very informative video. I have contemplated attempting this project for years until I ran across a Norinco M97 trench gun. The Norinco is not a take down model, so the heat guard and bayonet lug don't have to come off for cleaning.
That said, a conversion job of this magnitude is beyond my ability.
I think more of Rick. What an absolute gentleman.
YES, HE IS
Comedy, drama, educational piece... the man does it all. Thanks Mark!
I had my grandpas 1917 bayonet that’s been around forever, found a repop 97 shroud/bayo lug. Mounted it onto a 1970s Mossberg 500AT, it’s my hillbilly trench sweeper :p
Useful information as always Mr Novak
Just because you can does not mean you should. However, interesting work. A man who knows how to use tools is amazing.
Sometimes the "should" and the "can" are pretty close together. Just sayin
It is always a pleasure to witness your work.
Yep. If it is a Mark Novac video, I automatically know I will enoy it.
Winchester notched the barrel for the bayou lugs from the factory so you did it correctly. The notches help hold the lug on even more. Keeps it from moving back and forth.
So much for the Bayonet 😂 great video as always Mark
Morse taper, all other TV, channels and all else put on hold till we've backed out the rabbit hole 😂
Hell Mark, I don't have access to 99% of the equipment you have. But I make do with 10 fingers, 2 hands, 2 eyes and 1 brain. Great episode. Gotta love 19th Century slam fire technology. God Bless
I think it may have already been mentioned, but the original bayonet lugs were designed with the screws intercepting the barrel. The barrels were all grooved like that to further lock the lug in place. I made a detailed video going over all the little details like that, comparing various books to an original that I restored.
So much work went into this. Looks great. My wallet probably would have abandoned the bayonet lug and just had a nice riot gun.
Mark clearly LOVES what he does
To me, when you are making special project guns, which usually means making stuff that doesn't or shouldn't fit, fit, are the best and most interesting videos you make. Thinking outside the box 👍
“Don’t make a short barreled shotgun… out of this”
You are right I don’t have the tools or the skills.enjoyed
Awesome video Mark you are the man
I have drill bit envy.
A very enjoyable video with awesome information thank you sir for sharing this with us six stars
I agree that it's an impressive "sticker" but you'd run out of bayonets pretty quick with that setup. Kinda like a honey bee. Still a fantastically cool gun that would turn heads at the gun range. Worth the effort!
Just peachy. Outstanding!
Gotta love artisanal expertise and experience. ❤
Definitely not going to learn to do this at SDI.
Shop looks good my friend.
Fantastic work as always.
I purchased the same sort of Bayonet Shroud ( though it takes an M4
Bayonet ) and fitted it to one of my Remington 870 Super Express
Magnums. I had the same problems fitting it to the barrel ( a cut down
28 " Ventilated Rib Barrel with the Rib removed ), and like you, I ended
up with three shallow threaded depressions on the bottom of the
barrel. I replaced the plastic grip scales on the Bayonet with hand-made
Walnut scales, and with the Walnut Buttstock and Walnut Corncob
Forend, it makes a very impressive looking piece.
Let's just say, I got instant respect at the Sporting Clays Range......
Great segment! Love your work, Brother.
Very clever stuff thank you
love seeing the machining side of the house, amazing video
Wonderful Video, the wizardry is being able to take a consortium of parts, some of whom are of dubious origin and craft them into a plausible functioning replica. And the darn thing is pretty for what it is, the Total is greater than the sum of the parts. Well Done Master Novak Well Done Sir !!!!!! I learn little snippets from every video you post, I appreciate that a great deal.
Padre Mark with an excellent sermon on how to not screw up your barrel!
The historical value is ruined, how could you?! Proclaimed some guy with mental deficiencies.
Nice work
I'm incredibly glad you made this video
I'll actually be doing a similar conversion to a repro 1897, and ended up with exactly the same issue with the repop parts
Thankfully, have a lathe and a Bridgeport, so all things are possible
Extremely unlikely
I enjoy Your content very much Mark.
Thanks again and Best Wishes to You, Your Family and Friends.
As always information , entertaining, and a quality product video.
I have done tens of these. I would bet that heat shield is for a Model 12. Those barrels are smaller than the model 97. When using a model 97 heat shield on a model 12, it needs to be shimmed. With the proper heat shield, the barrel grooves only need to be .01-.015”.
Amazing as always sir
Reproduction bayonets (from India) are notorious for extremely loose tolerances. I have only considered them suitable for display purposes.
Thanks for the video, Mr Novak.
Always a pleasure to watch your projects and practical tricks. Since it is not an imitation of an actual combat gun, I could suggest cutting and reforming the bayonet and scabbard down to about 7-8" to make the handling better. The long blade is not practical to maneuver in a fight at closer distances. If you are using a take-down shotgun, you are probably anticipating a close in conflict so don't handicap yourself with the long blade. We should have learned this after WW1 and WW2. We were no longer standing to Cavalry charges but men with similer blades.
I enjoy the hell out of all your videos. Thank you, Mark will be looking forward to seeing the next one.👏👏👏
A++ work Sir. If I could only live closer would hope to have some of your work in my collection.
@3:40 I actually have a Model 10, I paid $75 for it. Unfortunately it looks like the previous owner took a wire wheel to it and modified the barrel for a poly choke. (That's probably why I paid $75 for it.) Also the stock needs acraglased, somebody attempted to braze some repairs on the flipper/cam thingy which makes it a nightmare to reassemble/disassemble (but it does actually function "correctly" once it's together) and I think a few mismatched screws too. I did actually shoot it once on a skeet range (with bird shot) and it's still reasonably accurate. Made in 1908, first year of the Model T.
I am actually thinking of doing the trench gun mod since it's already so heavily modified and far from mint.
Sounds like the correct candidate for the treatment. Good luck
34:00 Guilty as charged, and not ashamed. That’s why I observer a professional and don’t claim to be one.
Fascinating. Thanks for posting Mark
I knew that damn bayonet was going to come off but MIGHT MARK will fix it all
You are absolutely right, sir. You are not even remotely a machinist. Oh, and that is NOT a big drill bit. A damn fine gunsmith, though!!
Trusting a twist drill on an existing hole with an interrupted cut is crazy to me, good that it worked, but it's quite the gamble
A Brilliant Job as usual. Thank you very much!
You have TOO much fun ;)
Thanks again
Excellent, enjoyed this video and learned a thing or two, thanks Mark.
Really cool to see a non-self centering 4 jaw chuck being used
I picked up that same reproduction bayonet. I got it for a M-1917, and I'm still working on getting it to go all the way onto the rifle. The lug on the gun is new old stock, so I'm pretty sure the bayonet is the issue. I've been working on it with some needle files as I have time. Once that is done, I have a sporterized 1903 Springfield to restore.That one is going to be a bit more difficult, and will take some woodworking to restore.
lol the ending 😂
Great video sir. I love watching the lathe work. 👍
Of course if you have a lathe you can make bits and reamers turn to diameter and hand grind the flutes but not cost effective for professional but can be useful in the home shop.
Always enjoy listening
Now that was a rabbit hole!
Love the video!!!
The bayonet stayed on for a couple shots. Since it's unlikely to be needed in real trench warfare, that's good enough to make it look the business on film. Call it a success!
"Because I have a corner stake and you don't."
And there went the bayonet.
I always wanted to do this with the M1897 my Dad inherited from his uncle. After Dad passed though I gave it to the uncles grandson.
Fantastic work, lot's of it. Thanks for this content.
Thank you Mark! But you forgot to mention the Holy Barrel Shroud adds at least +50 points to damage/intimidation and +25% chance of critical hits 😉
kidding aside, great stuff!
It's got the automatic bayonette ejection feature!
I picked up a failed conversion where someone cut the barrel a little too short. I had to take a little off the mag tube and redrill it. Better than the barrel recessed into the bayonet lug.
I’ve never tapped so fast in my life…
Rick let you play on the lathe unsurpervised! Awesome video!
I have heard of several 1897s meeting their end because someone wanted to turn it into a trenchgun without the proper tools or knowledge. Those barrels are pretty thin and have little room for error when you try to cut those grooves. I think the issue with the bayonet falling off while firing is because it is a reproduction, I've heard those are junk compared to a real P14 or M1917 bayonet.
thanks for sharing info Mark
Great video Mark.
Thanks
He did call it.
This is great to see Mark! I have an old Wards gun (still a Browning design!) that I would like to do this to. Now am wondering who was his supplier on the guard because early on in the video I though that doesn seem right.
Only afix the bayonet when you're going to charge !!!
I bet a kid in a cave somewhere could have matched the parts with a file and sandpaper.😂😂😂
My metal working skill is pretty well maxed out at trimming rifle brass.
Nice piece of work, as usual. Kind of wish there could have been more of the work shown, but even Mr. Novak cannot control the weather, yet.
A good video. Keep them coming.