Yea, it is funny. He got 1 right out of 20. Injuries, and lack of toughness has stopped a lot of Good quarterback careers. There are alot of intangibles that aren't looked at.
@@beelor5777 yea that's true but I'm pretty sure he would rather be remembered as having a great football career and he maybe could've still been playing today if it worked out
Going to an expansion team was his worst nightmare.. when given at least 3 seconds he was an great qb.. sad that Derek has gotten the same treatment and he has had 2 years of having a decent oline.. too bad his pro bowl LT blew his block and got Dereks ankle broken.
32 Front Offices all passed on Brady 5 times in a row for him to be taken in the 6th round. So it’s not exactly like Mel was the only one that couldn’t see anything special there. Also; his draft analysis is spot on. Everything he said was correct and has been Brady’s entire career. And don’t forget that if Bledsoe doesn’t get injured... you might not even know his name to begin with. And if Brady was drafted by anybody else other than a team coached by Belichick... you might not know his name either. And if the Tuck Rule doesn’t come into play... the dynasty never begins and the Patriots are just a slightly above-average team.
Tom Brady wasn’t a slouch in college. I don’t know if you watched him or not at Michigan. He was a winner. Going on to win at New England was something new for him.
I think maybe he didn't need to mention it because putting woodson ahead of Manning wasn't completely unreasonable. He clearly was a generational talent
I don’t think josh Allen gets enough credit. He has been the second best qb in his draft. Kiper wasn’t that far off from his pre-draft Josh Allen evaluation.
He’s turned that Bills team around since he’s entered the NFL, next season they could possibly be division leaders if they can ball out. Only thing Allen needs to work on is pocket pressure.
That’s so true, it’s wild how wrong the scouts can be about evaluating talent and that’s their whole job. Like Darius Leonard was called the worst pick of the whole draft, only to win defensive rookie of the year and then continue to have success. And josh Rosen said there were 9 mistakes in front of him and so many good players were taken before and after him. It’s so crazy how Josh Rosen gets taken 10th overall, Brady got taken like 6th round I think, and Kurt Warner worked at a grocery store before becoming one of the best QBs ever.
Cant win em all and he reads the scouting reports just like gms do. He relies on what they say and of course they want some misdirection out there. So that’s his cost for being the face of drafts
Yeah I’m sick of hearing people missed on Brady, the patriots missed on him 5 times before they finally hit on him in that draft alone. Brady wasn’t a miss, he’s an outlier and pretty much never happens ever.
Just some dumbass that thinks certain players in the draft will become the next legends of tomorrow while overlooking others that would turn out to become Pro Bowl and First Team All Pro professionals in the league within a certain amount of time.
@xXTracynXx 360 his receivers are slow? John brown runs a 4.3 Robert foster runs a 4.4, Isaiah Mckenzie also runs a 4.4, Andre Roberts also runs a 4.4, the slowest receiver they have is Cole Beasley who runs a 4.5. Don't make excuses for a guy who can't hit the broad side of a barn past 25 yards. Can't wait to see what all these Josh Allen fans have to say after he constantly over throws Diggs this year lol
He was dead wrong about Allen. But how can he be right about Jackson? MVP in his second year as a full starter. All three of his first three seasons with 10 plus wins.... I mean he has lost some games but Brady scored 3 points so.....what is your point?
Fans get mad at their team for not taking who a nerd with no football experience or coaching thinks. Danny Kelly from The Ringer makes crutch arguments for guys he likes and uses the exact same examples as negatives for guys he doesn’t.
Considering every person on earth thought Brady wouldn’t be an nfl qb that’s not on Mel’s fault. Also josh Allen is performing better than any QB in that draft besides Jackson.
Saw a Michigan game were Brady came in, in the second half and he brought them back to win by 7 and said dam I wish he would play for these scrubbs we have at qb in Philly. Def thought he would be an NFL starter. Not a goat tho dam.
The Allen comments are completely unfair. It’s also ridiculous to either crown Daniel Jones or bash Haskins after a single season (not even a full season for Haskins). Allen could end up great, and it’s still a little early to say he’s going to stick around (I like what I see, I’m just saying it’s still a little early). And Jones/Haskins could both completely bust or become the next Manning/Brady rivalry. Nobody knows. Way, way too early to be making those kinds of statements. This guy basically Mel Keipered himself.
Trey Gregory still tho i can understand why josh Allen would’ve seemed the best Qb prospect, especially considering he’s been the second best so far. Also the accuracy criticism on Lamar is fair
Billy Mahoney because the knowledge is lacking severely with TPS. If you’re gonna be level headed and talk in monotone while also being completely wrong on some of these evaluations you’d look like a fool. With all these exaggerations and hype it makes their assessments more convincing
It feels like TPS doesn’t know a lot about sports I general, even in this video they talk like Josh Allen is a bust, or that Dak Prescott was widely excepted as a top 5 qb going into the draft?
Yeah, I thought Allen was overrated but have no problem saying I was wrong. I was screaming at my TV when the Dolphins didn't trade up to draft Lamar as he fell down the board. I basically saw him as similar to Allen, but with less arm strength and far superior running ability. So I'm not always wrong. They should have left it at the inconsistency in his analysis between him and Jackson. That is more damning than anything we can evaluate in hindsight.
Yea he says dumb things like that all the time. This is part of the reason why I miss former presenter Mike Cantalupo, because he knows what he’s talking about, and he didn’t pronounce words and names wrong just for sake of getting us talking. That, and he wasn’t boring as 💩
@@dmoney21 oh ok, your one of them huh, well this reply will be the only one you get from me because I dont feed the trolls. But I think his accolades and accomplishments in his first 2 years in the league will say he not only does not suck, but also one of the best in the league
Anything on the 2018 and 2019 draft class is waaaay too early. Who knows how that draft class will shape out over the next few years. Lamar could regress. Allen could be MVP. Haskins could be a GOAT. All 3 are talented in their own respects. All 3 still have to work on their game. This is wayyyyy too early. Silly list is silly.
In David Carr’s defense, the Texans drafted him - and didn’t bother to give him an offensive line. He spent most of his career in Houston picking himself off the turf. When he wasn’t desperately running away from defensive linemen.
@@lonnellwashere 🤦🏽♂️ you can't even compare the two Rodgers throws the ball a lot more than Lamar. Not to mention Rodgers throws the ball away often so if fucks with his accuracy percentage. Lamar is a runner the only reason his percentage is above 61 is bcuz the ravens rarely throw more than 25 passes a game. Whenever Lamar throws more than 25 passes his accuracy is around 59%. Also when he went to the pro bowl Lamar participated in a accuracy mini game and he scored the lowest percentage out of everyone who played including non QB's. It seems like Mel Kiper was still somewhat correct about him 🤷🏽♂️ you just can't accept it.
Lamars accuracy was bad. Lamar even admitted that he worked really hard in the 2019 offseason and made it better. Kiper was right about that, so many problems with this list 😣
Exactly, that's why everyone lost their shit in week 1 when Jackson came out throwing bombs. Give the kid credit, he realised it was an issue and he worked his ass off to get his accuracy to this level.
TPS be like "Josh Allen had an 10-6 record and an 85 quarterback rating in his second year. What a bust! Dak Prescott had a 9-7 record and an 86 quarterback rating in his second year. THE COWBOYS' SAVIOR!!!"
I love how y'all leave out the fact David Carr was drafted into the worst situation possible going to an expansion and getting sacked 100 times per season with no line protecting him.
It killed me to see him get thrashed every week, they should of sat him for a year or 2, I'm a BILLS fan, but I liked Carr, cuz he's from my hometown, he was thrown to the wolves, doesn't he still hold a record for being sacked the most in a season, and since 2002? Set up for failure!
Hang on...are you using legitimate stats? Stats are for losers. In all honesty, you are 100% correct sir. Even after they finally got something resembling an offensive line, Carr was so damaged that he couldn't possibly perform to the potential he had.
@TheWhiteWhale by the time he got to New York it was over. That poor dude had scrambled eggs for brains by the time he left Houston. He’s just lucky he can still walk.
Josh Allen deserves more credit than he is given, the chances are over 50% that he will take the Bills to the Super Bowl! Seriously, he is extremely underrated. Give the man a break.
No. Give him credit when it happens, not just because he "looks" good. Marino looked good for 13+ seasons. How much jewelry does he own? And before you jump to refute that, the same reason Marino didn't win one is the exact same reason Allen may not.
Lmao, the chances that he takes the Bills to the SB are below 5%, wtf are you talking about. He isnt terrible, but he's an average qb right now... he can get better but he's no #1 overall pick.
Exactly that’s why you say, IMO then temper that opinion knowing some that seem like they would be great, simply aren’t and those that don’t seem like NFL QBs kick ass like Tom Brady...the GOAT.
Lol right people dont mention he split time in college and was not a star and let's be honest he wouldn't have been if not drafted by the Patriots I doubt anybody else would have started him or coached him like Bill
ABC D Minus Exactly, the system around him is a huge part of why he became the goat. Not the only reason, he’s hard working and dedicated to the game, but it helps that he went to a team that knew what they were doing
“It’s never easy on the second brother”. Damn, spot on with that one, narrator. Considering the fact that Derek’s the second brother, and TJ is the third/little brother. The irony is not lost here lmao.
I made it to Josh Allen and couldn't listen anymore because I was laughing too hard. Allen has played 2 seasons, improved the whole time, took his team to the playoffs, and this dude is calling him a bust after playing "a few seasons". How bought show where Kiper was wrong on players who have a career's worth of film. If Josh Allen takes him team to the superbowl and wins a few, Kiper could have been very very correct, if not inconsistent on how he treated Allen's & Jackson's inaccuracy in college. But you can't call the dude wrong before we know the player turns out. This video is worse than Kiper's duds.
That Josh Allen thing is an example of where you wait more than 2 years before writing someone off. I also thought Allen wasn’t a great talent. I ate my words after last season
Right? As if other analysts, scouts and experts don't have the same opinion as him. He reaches sometimes, but everyone does that. No player is a guarantee and none is a guaranteed bust until they play.
Also uses hindsight to make him look bad... Well ya looking back you can find many mistakes by most of these guys... Thats why the are call predictions
Oh big time bud. It’s not as though other teams didn’t pass on Brady for example. Every team passed on him, multiple times. Kiper called Lamar Jackson a 2nd round pick, and he went bottom of the 1st. That ain’t bad. That’s the most egregious, but there are a lot here.
He maybe is but he had one great season. Baker had the better rookie year and decent year this year. Lamar won a mvp in their second year. I think next season we will see for sure
He wasn't wrong about Tebow. Josh McDaniels was wrong about Tebow. Mel was right on. Tebow was never going to be an nfl QB & should have played TE if he wanted to stay in the league
He was saying Kiper projected Haskins to go to the Giants. The segment ends with Giants passing on Haskins to go with Daniel Jones. The picture of Haskins in a Giants uniform was from a pre-draft tweet.
@@JeffreyBurtonYT And in defense of Kiper, he was the only person defending Jones between the Draft, and I think a bit before saying Jones could go in the first round, and his debut.
Talent wise, Baker is better than Allen. But we all know how the Browns piddle away the prime years of players. I’ll say that Josh Allen wins a Super Bowl before Baker
Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson were the only quarterbacks to lead their teams to the playoffs in 2019. And now analysts say the bills are gonna win the AFC east
He's decent, not great but not terrible. But he's definitely not the best QB of that draft class. Which was the point of his segment. The best QB in that class is Lamar Jackson
I’m the first guy to rip Josh Allen but he’s been the second best qb from a draft that had 5 qbs in the first round and your argument is that Mel whiffed because he said that Allen was a better pick than darnold and mayfield.. well he’s been a better draft pick than mayfield and darnold so far.. this is one YOU got wrong.. then you question him about saying that Tebow wasn’t good enough to play qb and that he was a first round pick.. looks like Mel was right again he wasn’t worthy of playing qb or getting drafted in the first round
@@burritochaos8912 yes, but his game is predicated on athleticism. He is not that accurate. He may be another Mike Vick, as soon as his speed isn't world class, it will be much harder to be successful. The #1 predictor of success for an NFL QB is accuracy.
@@richfarfugnuven6308 he was picked as the 4th qb in his draft. He has won an mvp. Yeah, it’s currently predicated on athleticism, but he has plenty of time to adjust and get decent receivers
@@richfarfugnuven6308 Steve Young began his career leaning on his athleticism, winning nothing in the process. He retired with the highest qb rating of all time. At 23, Lamar has plenty of time to get those mechanics in order, and even with that said, he still has an MVP under his belt. Even without a bonified receiver, bad release, and missing 2 games due to Covid, he is completing 64.8 percent of his passes, 21 and 8, leads the team in rushing(828, 7 tds). I will say I was dead wrong about Josh Allen. He looks like he may become the best of this class( that's saying something with Lamar and an Odell-less Baker), and Diggs was just what the doctor ordered.
How can u even have Dwayne Haskins on the list lol? He’s been a starter for what? 6 games? Also, kiper wasn’t wrong about Jamarcus or leafs ability and potential. They were top 5 picks in their classes. No one could possibly know they were dumping copious amounts of opiates in their Wheaties lol As for TJ watt, you talk like a second round draft slot is a place for bums. Tons of great players come out of the top 3 rounds. Kiper was 3 picks off. That’s not something to nitpick lmao. Russell Wilson was passed on by 32 teams twice and several other teams a third time. So no one really saw him coming as a top 5qb. And finally winston was def the number one pick that year. No question. He’s shown flashes but needs a coach that doesn’t just air out the ball.
I would say most of us Wisconsin fans seen Wilson as a top 5 pick. We knew how good he was and I for one kept yelling at my screen for the Packers to pick him up. He slipped way too far down. No different than TJ Watt. Wisconsin Badger fans knew he was going to be a stud.
Dak Presscott "saved the cowboys" yet is producing as much playoff wins as Tony Romo and somehow ended 8-8 with some of the best surrounding talent in the 2019 season
It takes a career to judge a pick. Allen could have a lot of future success as the Jets are bad, Miami seems intent on blowing up the locker room every year and NE will someday lose its HC.
I think it’s a little early to say Jackson is a steal or bust. His first year starting nobody had film on him which is why he smoked the league and ran away with the MVP. Now teams have film on him and have adjusted to his strengths. Unless he can adjust and play more consistently, maybe in 4-5 years you can say for sure whether he was a bust or steal
at the time many had doubts . He came from a bad program in a bad conference and he threw a lot of INTs . Kinda like he does in the NFL . His arm talent was never in question .
WOW! Now who's wrong??..........................You are TPS! Kiper nailed it with Josh allen. Absolutely 1st over-all level player with his Arm and Legs being elite.
@xXTracynXx 360 I mean he was deff up/down through-out, but I've rewatched that game a ton of times and he almost made some incredible passes in tight windows including on the Bills offense's very last drive. Bills O-Line fell asleep in the 2nd half of the game, whiffing on assignments. Still Josh brought them down to tie the game, to even bring it to Overtime. Then, Allen got them in position for a winning FG IN Overtime only brought back by Cody Ford blindside block that wasn't even a part of the play. He made some dumb mistakes (like the lateral) and missed some deep throws, but he almost made some plays that most QB's cant make on tough throws and had 260 yards passing/and almost 100 rushing/and even caught a TD. It was his first Playoff game of his career...and he was deff inconsistent but played tough..it was just completely over-shadowed by the magician Deshaun Watson.
Poor Mel Kiper!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
TJ is the 3rd Watt Idiot
Julio can’t catch. Lol
Can you do a video where you guys predict who will win Super Bowl 55 to 65
Did Mel ever play football, ever? I ask because he seems to analyze players like he never Watches actual games of football!
TPS Who the HELL is Mel Kiper?
Who's here after Josh Allen was one of the MVP canidates
“Every NFL Team’s Draft Pick that TPS was HORRIBLY Wrong About”
@@Scottish_Bisque Lol
Hahahaha me
Yep, now patiently waiting for the video of "Players TPS was wrong about Mel Kiper being wrong about" 😂
If you watch the TPS sports about the guys he was right about it says he was one of the best picks Mel had. Also he said Mahomes was one too. Wtf.
It cracks me up how Josh Allen is both Mel Kiper's horribly wrong pick in one TPS video and actually right in another video a year later. LOL
It just shows how garbage TPS is
Yes, I noticed this too.
That's because he did this before Allen took the Bill's all the way to the AFC championship game.
Mel Kiper regularly has way better takes than this channel, lol.
@@Jdfuller82 almost like you should wait more than 2 years before declaring a guy a bust
Funny how Kiper actually wasn’t wrong about Josh Allen
Yea, it is funny. He got 1 right out of 20. Injuries, and lack of toughness has stopped a lot of Good quarterback careers. There are alot of intangibles that aren't looked at.
Except for when he said he shouldn't have been a #1 overall pick... Best qb of that class
1out of 2000. 🤣
Ouch.
@@sarge420this aged well
It takes guts to leave this video up after Josh Allen's 2020 season.
@@johnk5398 this aged like good wine
And now another year later, it looks even MORE ridiculous. Lol!
Who’s here after josh Allen has over 700 in the first two games. Looking like a absolute stud
me
Me lmao
Josh Allen is looking like a top 5 qb this year so far!
I call him a MVP candidate
Keep Buffalo a secret guys. Let the Allen Haters keep looking like dumbasses publically. It'll make it so much more satisfying
"it's clear Josh Allen should have never been an overall number 1 pick"
oof, comments that age horribly
This was made in April and Allen looked great to close the year past season and he’s still incredibly young, if this guys not on drug he should start
How did that age horribly? He is one of the better QBs this year.
@@y0uknowmysteez um this comment was made in October
He shouldn't have been the number 1 overall
He’s a stud
"back in 2006 when Kirk Cousins was still a member of the Redskins". That's a neat trick considering he wasn't drafted until 2012
Jacob Authement lmao this is almost as bad as the Hunter Henry line by Stephen a
@@antoni.guzman which one? 😂 he doesn't even know they moved to l.a
@Vic Crown I thought the same thing. I was like "he's in his late 30s and they gave him that money? No fucking way" it's the NFL not the NBA
I was playing Kirk Cousins in high school in 2006 hahahaha
I know right 😅😅😅😅
11 months later and kiper looking pretty accurate now on Josh Allen lol.
It only 1 season
@@terminator23destroyer15 hes had three seasons, 2 playoff appearances.
@@terminator23destroyer15 lmao aged well
Hes not better then lamar though
Josh Allen is actually the best qb of that draft right now
He better than Lamar
Right
That draft class is weird.
Best QB rookie year: Baker
2nd year: Lamar
3rd year: Allen
4th year: Darnold or Rosen? Lol
Nah
Good QB class !!
Honestly what happened to David Carr wasn't really his fault the dude couldn't stay on his feet that Texans o-line was horrible
@Zack Johnston 76
David carr has a superbowl ring and gets paid to talk football. I think he got it pretty good. Lol
@@beelor5777 yea that's true but I'm pretty sure he would rather be remembered as having a great football career and he maybe could've still been playing today if it worked out
Going to an expansion team was his worst nightmare.. when given at least 3 seconds he was an great qb.. sad that Derek has gotten the same treatment and he has had 2 years of having a decent oline.. too bad his pro bowl LT blew his block and got Dereks ankle broken.
Carr couldn't read defense point blank
No one thought Tom Brady was going to be good why are y'all talking like it was obvious then
32 Front Offices all passed on Brady 5 times in a row for him to be taken in the 6th round. So it’s not exactly like Mel was the only one that couldn’t see anything special there.
Also; his draft analysis is spot on. Everything he said was correct and has been Brady’s entire career.
And don’t forget that if Bledsoe doesn’t get injured... you might not even know his name to begin with.
And if Brady was drafted by anybody else other than a team coached by Belichick... you might not know his name either.
And if the Tuck Rule doesn’t come into play... the dynasty never begins and the Patriots are just a slightly above-average team.
Azbycxdwevfugthsirjqkplomn McPinth Or by the Texans, he’s David Carr.
Well some people actually watch college football
Bernie OrGuillotine2020 here we go with the tuck rule again 🙄
Tom Brady wasn’t a slouch in college. I don’t know if you watched him or not at Michigan. He was a winner. Going on to win at New England was something new for him.
Here after Tebow tried out in Jacksonville as a tight end 😂
He made it
@@derekgarcia6182 welp…
This aged well LOL
1. Josh Allen!
This Josh Allen part is starting to age poorly
It's still aging poorly.
Like milk in a desert poorly.
Haha so true
It had already aged horribly when they made the video. He had a pretty good season in 2019, then blew that away in 2020
Bills haven't done shit
"ahead of Peyton Manning" as if Charles Woodson's name wasn't also sitting there lol
vigilantejusticevid like what tf😂
He was the only player in nfl history to be the mvp of the league as a defense player.
the goat U of M Defensive back?
I think maybe he didn't need to mention it because putting woodson ahead of Manning wasn't completely unreasonable. He clearly was a generational talent
@@jameskessler6328 nope
I don’t think josh Allen gets enough credit. He has been the second best qb in his draft. Kiper wasn’t that far off from his pre-draft Josh Allen evaluation.
Salami Cheeks yeah he’s actually really good
He’s turned that Bills team around since he’s entered the NFL, next season they could possibly be division leaders if they can ball out. Only thing Allen needs to work on is pocket pressure.
@@powerofjakerock7239 He is very clutch. Best qb in 4th quarter.
@@willtally2695 you realize Lamar was in that draft, right?
@@willtally2695 Yeah, I sometimes forget that too, maybe because he wasnt the first selection by the Ravens
One time TPS talks to early: Josh Allen
😂😂😂 Haskins "New York Giants"...
and tim tebow
To be fair literally everybody was wrong about Brady. He was a last round pick, nobody ever expected that from him.
Except for himself. He believed in himself and being the underdog always drove him to work harder than everyone else.
6th round
That’s so true, it’s wild how wrong the scouts can be about evaluating talent and that’s their whole job. Like Darius Leonard was called the worst pick of the whole draft, only to win defensive rookie of the year and then continue to have success. And josh Rosen said there were 9 mistakes in front of him and so many good players were taken before and after him. It’s so crazy how Josh Rosen gets taken 10th overall, Brady got taken like 6th round I think, and Kurt Warner worked at a grocery store before becoming one of the best QBs ever.
Cant win em all and he reads the scouting reports just like gms do. He relies on what they say and of course they want some misdirection out there. So that’s his cost for being the face of drafts
Yeah I’m sick of hearing people missed on Brady, the patriots missed on him 5 times before they finally hit on him in that draft alone. Brady wasn’t a miss, he’s an outlier and pretty much never happens ever.
Who the hell is Mel Kiper anyway
Just some dumbass that thinks certain players in the draft will become the next legends of tomorrow while overlooking others that would turn out to become Pro Bowl and First Team All Pro professionals in the league within a certain amount of time.
@Christian Ramirez That's why he commented. Bill Tobin will live on
Hes actually trev Albert. How ironic
87 twins baby!
An information gatherer.
To be fair, it wasn't just Mel. Everybody missed on most of these players as they were drafted early
11 years later Mel kiper’s “tight end” for Tebow has come true
And tj watt is actually good. Defensive poy.
Not sure 1 snap in preseason can be considered right lol 😂
Josh Allen is hella good. You’re trippin about that . Mel was right, 1st Rounder in my book.
Lol nothing wrong with Josh Allen at all.
Dude has horrible deep ball accuracy
@xXTracynXx 360 his receivers are slow? John brown runs a 4.3
Robert foster runs a 4.4, Isaiah Mckenzie also runs a 4.4, Andre Roberts also runs a 4.4, the slowest receiver they have is Cole Beasley who runs a 4.5. Don't make excuses for a guy who can't hit the broad side of a barn past 25 yards. Can't wait to see what all these Josh Allen fans have to say after he constantly over throws Diggs this year lol
He said 1st overall pick tho and that he is not
Best quarterback in that draft no question
Bud he is still kind of on the Jackson one. And Allen looks great this year.
He was dead wrong about Allen. But how can he be right about Jackson? MVP in his second year as a full starter. All three of his first three seasons with 10 plus wins.... I mean he has lost some games but Brady scored 3 points so.....what is your point?
Shut the fuck up he won mvp in his 2nd year
@@ravensnation5907 A non biased opinion.
@@GriffinK10 lead the league in touchdown passes
@@GriffinK10 all last year ? Finished the league with the most touchdown passes
I mean most people - including myself - thought Lamar wasn’t accurate. In fact he was horribly inaccurate in his rookie season.
That’s what I was thinking! Can’t blame him for Brady either, he was a 6th rounder
his rookie year he was the most accurate age 21 qb in nfl history per sharp analysis
harboug made him look good
doc.watson so what he was still inaccurate compared to other starting QBs
Thats why all QBs are not created equal you cant draft just on what they did in college you have to figure out if you can develop them
This is why I stopped listening to the “experts” and just watch the games myself.
Eye test
Fans get mad at their team for not taking who a nerd with no football experience or coaching thinks. Danny Kelly from The Ringer makes crutch arguments for guys he likes and uses the exact same examples as negatives for guys he doesn’t.
"The Houston texans searched for years for a qb" Texans draft carr with their first pick of the franchise ever......tps is so dumb.
Mitch Conner not to mention the guy never got a chance when he spend most of his career on his butt being sacked more than any quarterback
David Carr knew the stars above Houston all to well considering the amount of time he spent on his back
They act like Schaub was so bad too.. he did very good for 3 or 4 years with the texans
@@janboblarry I wouldn't say very good.... More like decent
Same channel and same video where they say Kirk Cousins was playing for the Foreskins in 2006
Considering every person on earth thought Brady wouldn’t be an nfl qb that’s not on Mel’s fault. Also josh Allen is performing better than any QB in that draft besides Jackson.
You think so
@@kaydee2126 yeah he got the Bills to the playoffs all Darnold does is see ghosts and Baker is a bust
Saw a Michigan game were Brady came in, in the second half and he brought them back to win by 7 and said dam I wish he would play for these scrubbs we have at qb in Philly. Def thought he would be an NFL starter. Not a goat tho dam.
The Allen comments are completely unfair. It’s also ridiculous to either crown Daniel Jones or bash Haskins after a single season (not even a full season for Haskins).
Allen could end up great, and it’s still a little early to say he’s going to stick around (I like what I see, I’m just saying it’s still a little early). And Jones/Haskins could both completely bust or become the next Manning/Brady rivalry. Nobody knows. Way, way too early to be making those kinds of statements. This guy basically Mel Keipered himself.
Trey Gregory still tho i can understand why josh Allen would’ve seemed the best Qb prospect, especially considering he’s been the second best so far. Also the accuracy criticism on Lamar is fair
Everything with TPS seems to be an overreaction. About everything on this list is “The worst of all time.”
Billy Mahoney because the knowledge is lacking severely with TPS. If you’re gonna be level headed and talk in monotone while also being completely wrong on some of these evaluations you’d look like a fool. With all these exaggerations and hype it makes their assessments more convincing
Calvin Johnson was so good he didn’t need a quarterback
Matthew Stafford was actually a good QB. Their team was shit. Like always
Calvin was great no matter who throw him the ball but didn't have a team around him I wish Calvin was on better team
It feels like TPS doesn’t know a lot about sports I general, even in this video they talk like Josh Allen is a bust, or that Dak Prescott was widely excepted as a top 5 qb going into the draft?
Yeah, I thought Allen was overrated but have no problem saying I was wrong.
I was screaming at my TV when the Dolphins didn't trade up to draft Lamar as he fell down the board. I basically saw him as similar to Allen, but with less arm strength and far superior running ability. So I'm not always wrong.
They should have left it at the inconsistency in his analysis between him and Jackson. That is more damning than anything we can evaluate in hindsight.
Josh Allen is a bust
Awesomeluigi24 ! Ur stupid
Josh Allen needs a good coach and he needs to be accurate if he can get that he will be good we will have to see next season
@Carlos Gandiaga lol guess we will see how he developed next season
He said that Darius Leonard was one of the worst picks in the draft two years ago 😂
Yea he says dumb things like that all the time. This is part of the reason why I miss former presenter Mike Cantalupo, because he knows what he’s talking about, and he didn’t pronounce words and names wrong just for sake of getting us talking. That, and he wasn’t boring as 💩
Good thing Chris Ballard didn't listen to that idiot and brought The Maniac to Indy
To be fair, everyone said that.
Leonard sucks though
@@dmoney21 oh ok, your one of them huh, well this reply will be the only one you get from me because I dont feed the trolls. But I think his accolades and accomplishments in his first 2 years in the league will say he not only does not suck, but also one of the best in the league
The Josh Allen segment of this video didn’t age well 😂😂😂😂
Whos here after tebow thinking of coming back as a tight end for urban
I'm here after he got cut by the Jags for a horrible block attempt.
Anybody here after Josh Allen looks like an MVP candidate
Yep
Yep
This didn't age well
Anybody here after the last two weeks?
@@m1ckyg21 🤣 It's only one game, to be fair.
Anything on the 2018 and 2019 draft class is waaaay too early. Who knows how that draft class will shape out over the next few years. Lamar could regress. Allen could be MVP. Haskins could be a GOAT. All 3 are talented in their own respects. All 3 still have to work on their game. This is wayyyyy too early. Silly list is silly.
I was thinking the same thing, completely ridiculous to list those guys.
In David Carr’s defense, the Texans drafted him - and didn’t bother to give him an offensive line. He spent most of his career in Houston picking himself off the turf.
When he wasn’t desperately running away from defensive linemen.
I was thinking the same thing!!👊🏾🥃🍻
Ironically, David Carr has more Super Bowl rings than the Texans franchise.
Facts! How could he throw the ball when he was running for his life every snap?
So true....
David got his ring so suck it texans
But Lamar Jackson still got accuracy issues, Mel Kiper knows wat he’s talking about
His career Completion percentage is 64% and Aaron Rodgers is 65.1% 🤷🏾♂️. I guess Rodgers is inaccurate too.
@@lonnellwashere aron Rodgers not on same level arm strength as Lamar Jackson
He was wrong about everything else though besides Allen. He doesn’t know jack
@@lonnellwashere 🤦🏽♂️ you can't even compare the two Rodgers throws the ball a lot more than Lamar. Not to mention Rodgers throws the ball away often so if fucks with his accuracy percentage. Lamar is a runner the only reason his percentage is above 61 is bcuz the ravens rarely throw more than 25 passes a game. Whenever Lamar throws more than 25 passes his accuracy is around 59%. Also when he went to the pro bowl Lamar participated in a accuracy mini game and he scored the lowest percentage out of everyone who played including non QB's. It seems like Mel Kiper was still somewhat correct about him 🤷🏽♂️ you just can't accept it.
@@tayk4784 man stop it lol. I don’t want to hear any of that.
Lamars accuracy was bad. Lamar even admitted that he worked really hard in the 2019 offseason and made it better. Kiper was right about that, so many problems with this list 😣
Exactly, that's why everyone lost their shit in week 1 when Jackson came out throwing bombs.
Give the kid credit, he realised it was an issue and he worked his ass off to get his accuracy to this level.
BS!
Calm down the point of this is for entertainment
@@bfure1 look like he was slacking this off-season then..
Josh Allen is starting to prove himself worthy of that #1 pick. He's gotten much better and the Bills are gonna be contenders for years to come
They talking about josh Allen like he’s bad
N O I used to think he was and well I was wrong
He's no Mahomes, but as a Bills fan, he's the best thing since Kelly
I agree
TPS be like "Josh Allen had an 10-6 record and an 85 quarterback rating in his second year. What a bust! Dak Prescott had a 9-7 record and an 86 quarterback rating in his second year. THE COWBOYS' SAVIOR!!!"
@XBROKEN I mean it's only his second year
That clip of Ryan Leaf yelling at the reporter in the locker room is a classic.
every year I message ESPN offering my talents in place of Kiper for a fraction of his pay, and this year I’ll do the same
Brandon Darling LMAO I’ll check in in a year or so to see what happens
😂😂😂 post this on Twitter with the messages over the years. It sounds hilarious
Why do they never allow you that guy sucks
I mean Kiper, not you
What a mad lad
Lmaooooo
I love how y'all leave out the fact David Carr was drafted into the worst situation possible going to an expansion and getting sacked 100 times per season with no line protecting him.
It killed me to see him get thrashed every week, they should of sat him for a year or 2, I'm a BILLS fan, but I liked Carr, cuz he's from my hometown, he was thrown to the wolves, doesn't he still hold a record for being sacked the most in a season, and since 2002? Set up for failure!
Carr could have been a way better QB if he was put in a better situation
Hang on...are you using legitimate stats? Stats are for losers. In all honesty, you are 100% correct sir. Even after they finally got something resembling an offensive line, Carr was so damaged that he couldn't possibly perform to the potential he had.
Carr was lucky to get out of Houston alive.... he was literally almost murdered on a weekly basis
@TheWhiteWhale by the time he got to New York it was over. That poor dude had scrambled eggs for brains by the time he left Houston. He’s just lucky he can still walk.
Tj watt wasn’t the second watt brother in the nfl everybody forgets about Derek watt he’s a fullback for the chargers
Steelers now
I hope jj gets to join them
He sucks thats why no one mentions him
@@d8l835 not really he’s just a fullback so he gets no hype
Who’s here after Tebow is trying out as a tight end in Jacksonville.
I edited this comment so the replies don’t make sense
He'll end up like the last LSU QB Kiper had the hots for...Off the Marcus Russell.
😂🤣Facts🤣😂
Burrow will flop with the Bengals. Hell Cincy would have screwed up Peyron Manning.
He said tua is a all time great player already but I don’t see it
This man better not
Josh Allen deserves more credit than he is given, the chances are over 50% that he will take the Bills to the Super Bowl! Seriously, he is extremely underrated. Give the man a break.
fax man
No. Give him credit when it happens, not just because he "looks" good. Marino looked good for 13+ seasons. How much jewelry does he own? And before you jump to refute that, the same reason Marino didn't win one is the exact same reason Allen may not.
Over 50% lmao definitely not over 50%
Lmao, the chances that he takes the Bills to the SB are below 5%, wtf are you talking about. He isnt terrible, but he's an average qb right now... he can get better but he's no #1 overall pick.
erval9 dude sthu and stop being a fucking nerd nobody cares what you say.
It's really hard to predict who's going to be a successful QB in the NFL.
Exactly that’s why you say, IMO then temper that opinion knowing some that seem like they would be great, simply aren’t and those that don’t seem like NFL QBs kick ass like Tom Brady...the GOAT.
Yes
This didn’t age well cuz now my guy Josh Allen the best QB in his class
Lamar still over Allen for sure
@@ChrisMcKee087 nah not until he wins in the playoffs.
@@austinreed347 but josh Allen hasn’t done a lot better
@@austinreed347 how many mvps Allen got? 😂
@@JasonFlemingMusic 69
You should’ve chose someone who the Giants actually drafted smh
they talked about Daniel Jones ;)
moby1kanob clearly you didn’t read what I said because that’s not who he chose to really talk about😂😂
Right I agree with you cuz it's to early to judge that one yet plus Dwayne Haskins could still be a good QB
T.J Was the Third Watt brother not the second can't forget about Derek LOL
Austin Hegge I knew I couldn’t be the only person who caught that
TJ and derek are gonna be teammates 😂😂
@@evantrevinorodriguez9666 they are teammates, Steelers signed derek this offseason
dereck rivera i knew that that why i said it
Austin Hegge full backs are people too
Dude, everyone was low on Brady, that’s why he was drafted in the 6th round
Lol right people dont mention he split time in college and was not a star and let's be honest he wouldn't have been if not drafted by the Patriots I doubt anybody else would have started him or coached him like Bill
@@powerofjakerock7239 didn't he want to keep garoppolo because he knew he was going to be good
@@KingNoob7 And because Kraft made him stick with Brady
P Dab drafted by the browns he’s Tim couch
Drafted by the bengals he doesn’t play ever
Drafted by the patriots: he is literally the goat
ABC D Minus Exactly, the system around him is a huge part of why he became the goat. Not the only reason, he’s hard working and dedicated to the game, but it helps that he went to a team that knew what they were doing
David Carr won a super bowl ring while being a back up quarterback with the giants
The Texans just refused to give him an oline or a team.
Ummm I just wanna throw this out there. Josh Allen is BALLING
Yessir my fantasy team looking good with him on it
Poor Mel Kiper!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
“Being the second brother”...literally never any love for Derek 😂
WhoDatNation 941 saw that too.
I was about to say that.
“It’s never easy on the second brother”. Damn, spot on with that one, narrator. Considering the fact that Derek’s the second brother, and TJ is the third/little brother. The irony is not lost here lmao.
Facts man I know he’s a fullback but still
I made it to Josh Allen and couldn't listen anymore because I was laughing too hard. Allen has played 2 seasons, improved the whole time, took his team to the playoffs, and this dude is calling him a bust after playing "a few seasons".
How bought show where Kiper was wrong on players who have a career's worth of film. If Josh Allen takes him team to the superbowl and wins a few, Kiper could have been very very correct, if not inconsistent on how he treated Allen's & Jackson's inaccuracy in college. But you can't call the dude wrong before we know the player turns out. This video is worse than Kiper's duds.
Now look at Josh Allen. MVP???
@@a7xfanforever556 he wasn’t wrong about Lamar Jackson he still can’t throw the ball
That Josh Allen thing is an example of where you wait more than 2 years before writing someone off. I also thought Allen wasn’t a great talent. I ate my words after last season
I feel like some of these criticisms on Kiper are grasping at straws
A lot are. I’ve seen some of this guys stuff and I’m not sure why he’s got so many subs.
How so? All of it is true. Kiper said all of these things right oe wrong
Right? As if other analysts, scouts and experts don't have the same opinion as him. He reaches sometimes, but everyone does that. No player is a guarantee and none is a guaranteed bust until they play.
Also uses hindsight to make him look bad... Well ya looking back you can find many mistakes by most of these guys... Thats why the are call predictions
Oh big time bud. It’s not as though other teams didn’t pass on Brady for example. Every team passed on him, multiple times.
Kiper called Lamar Jackson a 2nd round pick, and he went bottom of the 1st. That ain’t bad.
That’s the most egregious, but there are a lot here.
Haskins is too young to really tell since he has one season with a coach who hated him
Shitty vid
Exactly
It was a shame this was made before the season. Josh Allen is incredible
Who’s here after josh Allen became the best qb from that draft
Patrick Mahomes? Lamar Jackson? Baker Mayfield? Deshaun Watson?
@@dingsburnersburner4353 they were in separate drafts 😂😂😂😂😂
Josh is better than baker and noodle arm lamar
He maybe is but he had one great season. Baker had the better rookie year and decent year this year. Lamar won a mvp in their second year. I think next season we will see for sure
Quote from Bill Tobin: "who the hell is mel kiper.
Exactly lol
He's the guy who has made a hugely successful career over several decades. Unlike Bill Tobin...
@@16thCenturyDutchman That is true. Tobin got fired not long after that.
The Josh Allen critique isn't aging well, it's starting to look like he should have been the #1 pick, kids talent is off the charts
"Back in 2006" says it all about TPS's track record with getting things right themselves
Allen definitely looks like a number one overall pick now
Why does this guy occasionally sound like Kermit the frog
haha I didn't notice till I read your comment. now I cant stop hearing kermit
To me his voice changes as the clip goes on and then restarts at the next one
Oh my god I can’t unhear hahahaha
6:31 lol
🤣🤣
He wasn't wrong about Tebow. Josh McDaniels was wrong about Tebow. Mel was right on. Tebow was never going to be an nfl QB & should have played TE if he wanted to stay in the league
The Kiper/Tobin rants were after the Colts used their OTHER 1st round pick on Trev Alberts, not after the Faulk pick.
This video has many flaws.
I am by no means a fan of Mel kipper, but somewhere about two minutes into this I realized that I would absolutely take him over TPS!
"New York Giants: Dwayne Haskins".....umm...what?
yep 3 big errors in the same video.
He was saying Kiper projected Haskins to go to the Giants. The segment ends with Giants passing on Haskins to go with Daniel Jones. The picture of Haskins in a Giants uniform was from a pre-draft tweet.
@@JeffreyBurtonYT And in defense of Kiper, he was the only person defending Jones between the Draft, and I think a bit before saying Jones could go in the first round, and his debut.
Yeah I turned it off after that.
That josh Allen comment became a freezing cold take real quick by these guys.
wouldn't say real quick, cuz it took Allen 3 years to prove him wrong.
@@chipchaser44 took Payton manning and Steve young far longer than 3 years🤷🏼♂️
I could of definitely seen Josh Allen being taken first overall.
Joe Castro right I’m like wtf his career just started and has done better than baker
TPS has hates Josh Allen since the draft
Yeah TPS hates the Bills. I know Biando is a jets fan so it could be that.
Talent wise, Baker is better than Allen. But we all know how the Browns piddle away the prime years of players. I’ll say that Josh Allen wins a Super Bowl before Baker
Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson were the only quarterbacks to lead their teams to the playoffs in 2019. And now analysts say the bills are gonna win the AFC east
The fact is....absolutely NOBODY knows. Not anyone. No GM has ever always knew for sure.
"Nelson Aglohor is a hands catcher." What he failed to add on was "with t-rex arms."
“How can he go ahead of Jimmy Clauson!!!” My favorite Kiper quote lol. Always loved Mayock over Kiper.
Issac Simental a lot of people were high on him. If i remember right the Jags liked him so much they traded up to get him.
Gabbert vs Newton was always the “Talent vs. Production debate” which is difficult to evaluate.
Issac Simental you act like their job is easy... you can’t just look at the 2020 draft and see who will be an all star and other who are busts
Even BB sucks at drafting players
@@lonesome1689 uh yeah you kinda can.. its called watching film
A lot of the predictions he made were accurate to what everybody else was saying. Most of this video is just using hindsight
What players have Mel Kiper ever got right in the draft?
@@pp3k3jamail as they said in the beginning, he's gotten plenty of players right
He said Julio couldn't catch that's not hindsight anyone who watches college football could see his talent he was just wrong
@@maurquizekeywalker193 and as an iowa fan I could have told you Stanzi was just ok and not the next big thing... lol
@@pp3k3jamail josh allen
I’m here in 2024 and was going nuts about how Josh Allen at #1 was horribly wrong but then i saw this video was 4 years ago😂
Umm I don’t even like the bills but josh Allen is not overrated so that was actually a bad call on you
Josh Allen is not good either
@@SorareSully
Yes he is lol
Couldn’t agree more but I am a bills fan so I’m a little bias
Josh Allen is not an accurate passer. Check the film buddy
He's decent, not great but not terrible. But he's definitely not the best QB of that draft class. Which was the point of his segment. The best QB in that class is Lamar Jackson
The josh Allen one didn’t age well. Allen is now the best QB from that class by a long shot
A long shot is crazy
Did Lamar Jackson not get drafted that same draft class?
20:32
Back in 2006, Cousins was a senior in high school. Wtf
He meant 2012.
@@SylveonMujigaeOfficial Then an account with 1 million subscribers should spring for a better writer or editor.
Josh Allen showed great throwing and athleticism throughout this whole 2021 season
I’m the first guy to rip Josh Allen but he’s been the second best qb from a draft that had 5 qbs in the first round and your argument is that Mel whiffed because he said that Allen was a better pick than darnold and mayfield.. well he’s been a better draft pick than mayfield and darnold so far.. this is one YOU got wrong.. then you question him about saying that Tebow wasn’t good enough to play qb and that he was a first round pick.. looks like Mel was right again he wasn’t worthy of playing qb or getting drafted in the first round
Facts
Lamar Jackson: Jury is still out. He has been exposed somewhat this year. Josh Allen looks great this year in Buffalo.
He won the mvp last year😂. He has one of the worst receiving cores in the league and is still able to be successful.
@@burritochaos8912 People are real slaves to recently bias.
@@burritochaos8912 yes, but his game is predicated on athleticism. He is not that accurate. He may be another Mike Vick, as soon as his speed isn't world class, it will be much harder to be successful. The #1 predictor of success for an NFL QB is accuracy.
@@richfarfugnuven6308 he was picked as the 4th qb in his draft. He has won an mvp. Yeah, it’s currently predicated on athleticism, but he has plenty of time to adjust and get decent receivers
@@richfarfugnuven6308 Steve Young began his career leaning on his athleticism, winning nothing in the process. He retired with the highest qb rating of all time. At 23, Lamar has plenty of time to get those mechanics in order, and even with that said, he still has an MVP under his belt. Even without a bonified receiver, bad release, and missing 2 games due to Covid, he is completing 64.8 percent of his passes, 21 and 8, leads the team in rushing(828, 7 tds). I will say I was dead wrong about Josh Allen. He looks like he may become the best of this class( that's saying something with Lamar and an Odell-less Baker), and Diggs was just what the doctor ordered.
How can u even have Dwayne Haskins on the list lol? He’s been a starter for what? 6 games?
Also, kiper wasn’t wrong about Jamarcus or leafs ability and potential. They were top 5 picks in their classes. No one could possibly know they were dumping copious amounts of opiates in their Wheaties lol
As for TJ watt, you talk like a second round draft slot is a place for bums. Tons of great players come out of the top 3 rounds. Kiper was 3 picks off. That’s not something to nitpick lmao.
Russell Wilson was passed on by 32 teams twice and several other teams a third time. So no one really saw him coming as a top 5qb.
And finally winston was def the number one pick that year. No question. He’s shown flashes but needs a coach that doesn’t just air out the ball.
Exavtly.. he was hating a lil hard in this video kiper is a great evaluator
He did duck up on trubisky tho 😂
Travis Rowe but TJ wasn’t even the second brother. I swear sometimes it’s like they don’t watch football
He wasn't wrong about Lawrence Phillips' talent because when he was playing he was great. It was his behavior that wrecked his career
I would say most of us Wisconsin fans seen Wilson as a top 5 pick. We knew how good he was and I for one kept yelling at my screen for the Packers to pick him up. He slipped way too far down. No different than TJ Watt. Wisconsin Badger fans knew he was going to be a stud.
It's funny watching this just a year later and now it is looking like Josh Allen was number 1 overall pick worthy.
"Back in 2006 when Cousins was still on the Redskins..."
Me: "Um..."
Lmao that's what I was thinking ! More like back in 2006 when Mark Brunell and Jason Campbell was still on the skins !!
Kirk Cousins and Russell Wilson are the best QBs from that class
You do know cousins didn't enter the league in tell 2012
P R Andrew Luck? Wait...
Dak Presscott "saved the cowboys" yet is producing as much playoff wins as Tony Romo and somehow ended 8-8 with some of the best surrounding talent in the 2019 season
That was coaching even back to the Romo days. Jason Garrett ruined Romo's and Prescott's playoff chances.
Who’s here when josh Allen leads the nfl in passing
Yep
Its dak not josh allen
It takes a career to judge a pick. Allen could have a lot of future success as the Jets are bad, Miami seems intent on blowing up the locker room every year and NE will someday lose its HC.
He came back down to earth recently though
Still not a #1 pick. He was drafted right where he should've
"It is clear that [Josh Allen] should have never been a number one overall pick." Well, that aged well...
Lmao spoke too soon
There’s nothing wrong with he said about Lamar Jackson? He’s not accurate that’s fair.
He was last year
@@thejman8734 not hard to be accurate on those short dumb offs
Agree
I think it’s a little early to say Jackson is a steal or bust. His first year starting nobody had film on him which is why he smoked the league and ran away with the MVP. Now teams have film on him and have adjusted to his strengths. Unless he can adjust and play more consistently, maybe in 4-5 years you can say for sure whether he was a bust or steal
@@thejman8734 wdym he was running all of last year
“He should have never been a 1st overall pick” ages well
God damn kirk must have been a prodigy making a NFL roster at 17 🤣🤣
This video said it's clear Josh Allen should have never been a #1 overall pick😂
*Sees a decent qb*
Kieper: “That’s a #1 overall qb”
This video aged well as Allen looks like the best all around QB in the 2018 Draft class. Looks like Mel got that one correct
Even a blind squirrel yada yada
Oh
Allen’s definitely a first round pick wtf
at the time many had doubts . He came from a bad program in a bad conference and he threw a lot of INTs . Kinda like he does in the NFL . His arm talent was never in question .
WOW! Now who's wrong??..........................You are TPS! Kiper nailed it with Josh allen. Absolutely 1st over-all level player with his Arm and Legs being elite.
I love the hindsight on Brady, acting like it was obvious he would develop to the QB he is now.
Allen is awesome 😂😂 idk what you’re talking about, all bills fans love him and he’s clutch af
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@xXTracynXx 360 I love the chicago bulls mate:)
@xXTracynXx 360 I mean he was deff up/down through-out, but I've rewatched that game a ton of times and he almost made some incredible passes in tight windows including on the Bills offense's very last drive. Bills O-Line fell asleep in the 2nd half of the game, whiffing on assignments. Still Josh brought them down to tie the game, to even bring it to Overtime. Then, Allen got them in position for a winning FG IN Overtime only brought back by Cody Ford blindside block that wasn't even a part of the play. He made some dumb mistakes (like the lateral) and missed some deep throws, but he almost made some plays that most QB's cant make on tough throws and had 260 yards passing/and almost 100 rushing/and even caught a TD. It was his first Playoff game of his career...and he was deff inconsistent but played tough..it was just completely over-shadowed by the magician Deshaun Watson.
He said in 2006 when cousins was on the redskins, had to rewind and make sure I heard it right lmao
Cheeto as soon as I read your comment that part of the vid came out 😂