It's great to see how nonchalant and uncaring everyone is if you kill him. Such a contrast to how the party can grow together to support each other later. Also, people who get rid of Astarion at this point are missing out on some stellar content - some of the best I've ever seen in games.
6:07 Why didn't you use Persuasion instead of pushing him back? Persuasion shows that Astarion _will_ instantly stop when you tell him to, without complaining. By pushing him away you didnt give him the chance to prove that.
@@aelitastones1 Basically, vampires and vampire spawns are undeads. Lathander is the god of Dawn, renewal, birth, vitality in other things. He's ofter represented standing in front of a rising sun with a baby in his hands. His cleric's domains are life and sun. He and Kelemvor (the god of death) are the most fanaticals about undeads : they are abominations who must be detroyed on sight. So Astarion trying to feed on a Lathander cleric is not the wisest thing for him to do ... especially when that Lathander cleric has an always alert friend in the head. No need to say, in that playthrough, Astarion didn't even have the time to explain himself before ending with a wood stick in the heart. The case of Withers is a little bit different. He is not really an undead. He's more complex than that.
This is one of those times when a game being an RPG makes for difficult choices. For example, if you are a soldier or a paladin, killing what amounts to a fiend (Vampire) instantly is the logical choice. No ifs and buts. However, you know damn well if you do so, you are killing an essential companion and eliminating many story dialogues and plot. So essentially, the game doesn't leave you a good choice, you can't kill that man. They should have done it so you attempt to kill him, and he runs away. Better than to kill him outright.
You don't have to kill him. As a Vengence Paladin he's not your sworn enemy, and you can show mercy to those who arnt your sworn enemy. He's also quite a asset to the team.
@@Bahamut998 Nah theyre more like knights with powers inbued from their gods. Each oathe has diffrent rules to follow. Heres an example of oathe of vengence. *Fight the Greater Evil. Faced with a choice of fighting my sworn foes or combating a lesser evil, I choose the greater evil. *No Mercy for the Wicked. Ordinary foes might win my mercy, but my sworn enemies do not. *By Any Means Necessary. My qualms can't get in the way of exterminating my foes. *Restitution. If my foes wreak ruin on the world, it is because I failed to stop them. I must help those harmed by their misdeeds.
@@24_Hour_Majima A paladin's power comes directly from their oath. Gods have no part of it and a paladin can be without a deity just fine. Clerics are the ones that get their powers from their gods
I feel bad to know this, but curiosity took the better of me at one point... If you allow him to drink your blood and THEN kill him, the look of utter betrayal on Astarions face is... gosh, I felt so bad XD
Does anyone knows what happens to him if he drinks your blood, but then you fail to kill him? He vanished from my party( understandable), but im not sure if he is out in the world
I was wondering the same thing i went to kill then missed. Is he just gone forever or is there a astarion mindflayer problem i'll have to clean up? It would only make sense
@@blanksymortimer4088 Well, not if you destroy the Absolute. But by driving him away you basically delivered Astarion into the hands of his abuser Cazador, who will eventually find him and have him dragged back to Baldur's Gate to have him consumed in Cazador's Rite of Ascension, destroying Astarion's soul and making evil Cazador a superpowerful daywalker who will proceed to enslave Baldur's Gate. Good job, hero!
Cazador captures and sacrifices him in the ascendence ritual. If you skip him in part 1, you can’t have him join later. The Gur get him, and they get slaughtered when Cazador comes for him. If you fight Cazador later, you find his zombie corpse at the ritual center. It’s a rare case where saving him actually saves a lot of other lives.
@@veronicashields4405 oh 😭, Well, I guess its a good thing im doing a second playthrough and the only companion missing is wyll currently 😂 Although, that playthrough with my friends is going to have a super op battle with cazador I guess
Dude that kill scene was crazy. All the details to him dying, the fear, everything is wild. I wonder what would have happened if you brought him back to life after that.
I asked him to leave… imagine if he do something like that to my sweetheart… I man Shadowheart 😂 but it was a good choice bcs if you let him to suck some blood, he would easely let you to die if you dont stop him.
Yeah, he tells you after that it was his first time trying human blood so he really didn't know when to stop unless you tell him xd He also freaks out the next morning. And he never does anything to shadowheart, I always have them both in the party and they talk a lot as friends xd
"Irony" it should be DnD's second name My first character in ttrpg was strongly against necromancy and Vol organisation...year later she became a necromancer and started using blood magic -_- I don't know who was more shocked: my character or I
Some people say, that Astarion isn't really desperate for blood in this scene, he just tests the limits of his tadpole control over him. They base it on the Origin gameplay when you choose Astarion as your avatar. But here's the thing. That isn't real Astarion gameplay, since you give a lot of yourself into Astarion, you may make different choices from how Astarion as a character is written and intended to act. The real Astarion is the companion one, he's trully the way the devs wanted him, not influenced by you in any way (aside from persuation/intimidation checks, which may still fail, so his decisions wouldn't be altered). So the avatar gameplay can't be taken as a proof. Besides him killing a character by draining them dry doesn't match with testing the tadpole. How exactly is "going too far" any sort of "testing the grip of the tadpole over my mind"? It simply isn't. So yea. Astarion WAS desperate for blood, it makes perfect sense for you to have to resist him twice, before he stops (if you succeed that is).
Incredible how you need 14 to strength to drive a sharp stake into a not-resisting vampire's chest.... id be happy if its 8 str for female characters lol
Yes, but it's not a game over, even if your party consisted only of the two of you. You immediately take control of Astarion after the deed is done, so you can revive your character using Astarion and a scroll of revive, or whatever it's called, you know you start with some on each character. You should also have Shadowheart in your party at that point, so again any character can revive your main. This is, what makes the game amazing in my eyes. Such details as your character's death being actually acknowledged and part of a character's story, Astarion even gets to apologize to you for "killing you".
I would say not. While Whithers can resurrect your dead characters, killing Astarion during this scenario is permanent, or should be (by logic you use a wooden stake to penetrate a vampire's heart, effectively killing that vampire for good, which should remove Astarion from your party, like you never met him, never recruited him, that sort).
Had no hesitation driving a stake through its heart. First the shit with the knife, now this? Nope, not trusting that in my camp. And it knows my scent. Might track me down later. Only one solution. Helps that it was so immediately unlikable the moment it opened its mouth.
I went with my gut of “it’s a vampire, kill it” and I missed. He’s now left my party forever. Does anyone know if he returns later in the story? Was enjoying his character and it would be a shame if the game just writes him out forever. Does he appear in any capacity later on?
@@gabrielcaro no, I restarted my play through to get him back. From comments on here I think you can find his body with his vampire lord, but even if you try and ressurect him or speak with him it’s not him.
@RoyalGuardEziode It's RP, let them play how they want, they don't have to be super optimized. The fact he actually kills you in one of his options is enough to validate that choice lol
@@briteboy4749 The game gives you two options to tell him to stop in sequence after he starts drinking. And he will instantly stop if you tell him to. He only drinks you dry if you willingly ignore _both_ opportunities to tell him to stop, or somehow manage to miss two easy rolls. And if you die, you're alive again the next morning, so he probably used a Revivify scroll on your or Withers brought you back or the tadpole (the game leaves that open). Anyway, whatever happened, you should talk to him the next morning after the bite scene and he will tell you more about his background as a slave to the vampire Cazador. And if he accidentally killed you, he will apologize.
1:28
Shadowheart: "part of me will miss him"
Proceed to give the most sarcastic smile ever
she is sadistic shar worshipper afterall
I think shes genuin. Who else is gonna talk shit behind everyone's back with her now?
If you persuade him with “That’s enough,” he’ll pull away and go “Hm? Oh, of course.” And then go out to the forest to hunt for something more filling
It's great to see how nonchalant and uncaring everyone is if you kill him. Such a contrast to how the party can grow together to support each other later. Also, people who get rid of Astarion at this point are missing out on some stellar content - some of the best I've ever seen in games.
whoops!
Annoying as hell. I really don't think it is "some of the best in games." Clear exaggeration
He's annoying and gay. He's better dead.
I smoked him instantly, I’m a Paladin!!!!
@@spitflamezSame here, we don’t make the rules!
6:07 Why didn't you use Persuasion instead of pushing him back? Persuasion shows that Astarion _will_ instantly stop when you tell him to, without complaining. By pushing him away you didnt give him the chance to prove that.
The problem is that he tried to do it while we were asleep. Sneaky and can’t be trusted
prob because their character has more points on strength than persuasion I think
I mean if you fail this check he just ignores you, too far gone. You can even bitch about it later 😊
Unless you fail the persuasion check ☠️
This would be almost romantic if your character didn't look like Godzilla.
Coward it can still be romantic
🤣
Lmao
The night Astarion revealed himself to be a vampire, my dark urge character killed Alfira. So I killed him and blamed her death on him lol.
7:50 Actually if you revive yourself you get a new dialogue!
How
yea i was wondering whats stopping someone from just reviving the character after
Poor Astarion, damn the companions are cold-hearted.
he's literally a killer.
@@Dianruakrhakakksall of them are 😭
In my current playthrough, Astarion made one little tiny mistake : being caught trying to feed on a Lathander Cleric. 🤣
why is that a mistake. I don't own the game just watched whatever clips popped up now and then on my recommendations
@@aelitastones1
Basically, vampires and vampire spawns are undeads.
Lathander is the god of Dawn, renewal, birth, vitality in other things. He's ofter represented standing in front of a rising sun with a baby in his hands. His cleric's domains are life and sun. He and Kelemvor (the god of death) are the most fanaticals about undeads : they are abominations who must be detroyed on sight.
So Astarion trying to feed on a Lathander cleric is not the wisest thing for him to do ... especially when that Lathander cleric has an always alert friend in the head.
No need to say, in that playthrough, Astarion didn't even have the time to explain himself before ending with a wood stick in the heart.
The case of Withers is a little bit different. He is not really an undead. He's more complex than that.
@@cottoncatt1186 ah I see
This is one of those times when a game being an RPG makes for difficult choices.
For example, if you are a soldier or a paladin, killing what amounts to a fiend (Vampire) instantly is the logical choice. No ifs and buts.
However, you know damn well if you do so, you are killing an essential companion and eliminating many story dialogues and plot.
So essentially, the game doesn't leave you a good choice, you can't kill that man.
They should have done it so you attempt to kill him, and he runs away. Better than to kill him outright.
You don't have to kill him. As a Vengence Paladin he's not your sworn enemy, and you can show mercy to those who arnt your sworn enemy. He's also quite a asset to the team.
@@24_Hour_Majima i don’t know about d and d lore, but aren’t Paladins human killers of the undead and pretty much anything that is unholy?
@@Bahamut998 Nah theyre more like knights with powers inbued from their gods. Each oathe has diffrent rules to follow.
Heres an example of oathe of vengence.
*Fight the Greater Evil. Faced with a choice of fighting my sworn foes or combating a lesser evil, I choose the greater evil.
*No Mercy for the Wicked. Ordinary foes might win my mercy, but my sworn enemies do not.
*By Any Means Necessary. My qualms can't get in the way of exterminating my foes.
*Restitution. If my foes wreak ruin on the world, it is because I failed to stop them. I must help those harmed by their misdeeds.
@@24_Hour_Majima A paladin's power comes directly from their oath. Gods have no part of it and a paladin can be without a deity just fine. Clerics are the ones that get their powers from their gods
@@SylvanasWindrunnerResurrected It can come from either or.
I feel bad to know this, but curiosity took the better of me at one point...
If you allow him to drink your blood and THEN kill him, the look of utter betrayal on Astarions face is... gosh, I felt so bad XD
Does anyone knows what happens to him if he drinks your blood, but then you fail to kill him? He vanished from my party( understandable), but im not sure if he is out in the world
I was wondering the same thing i went to kill then missed. Is he just gone forever or is there a astarion mindflayer problem i'll have to clean up? It would only make sense
@@blanksymortimer4088 Well, not if you destroy the Absolute. But by driving him away you basically delivered Astarion into the hands of his abuser Cazador, who will eventually find him and have him dragged back to Baldur's Gate to have him consumed in Cazador's Rite of Ascension, destroying Astarion's soul and making evil Cazador a superpowerful daywalker who will proceed to enslave Baldur's Gate. Good job, hero!
@@TF2CrunchyFrog not my problem
Cazador captures and sacrifices him in the ascendence ritual. If you skip him in part 1, you can’t have him join later. The Gur get him, and they get slaughtered when Cazador comes for him. If you fight Cazador later, you find his zombie corpse at the ritual center.
It’s a rare case where saving him actually saves a lot of other lives.
@@veronicashields4405 oh 😭,
Well, I guess its a good thing im doing a second playthrough and the only companion missing is wyll currently 😂
Although, that playthrough with my friends is going to have a super op battle with cazador I guess
Dude that kill scene was crazy. All the details to him dying, the fear, everything is wild. I wonder what would have happened if you brought him back to life after that.
His quest is amazing, you wouldn't want to miss but next time I will definitely kill him cold cause I already did the quest 😊
8:31 I thought this will be another scripted death bad ending. So is there special dialogue if you are dead and revived?
there is indeed
I accidentally let him kill me, I’m too trusting
@@TwiceMeDemwell, we’re waiting, what is it?
@@Jackthat1 ua-cam.com/video/upl5Or_P9I8/v-deo.html depends on how you handle the dialogue
him feeding to much IS an instant death if you dont have anyone else you can control
I asked him to leave… imagine if he do something like that to my sweetheart… I man Shadowheart 😂 but it was a good choice bcs if you let him to suck some blood, he would easely let you to die if you dont stop him.
So stop him.
Yeah, he tells you after that it was his first time trying human blood so he really didn't know when to stop unless you tell him xd He also freaks out the next morning.
And he never does anything to shadowheart, I always have them both in the party and they talk a lot as friends xd
You can tell him to stop lol. It’s only a dc of 5
I love the irony of 8:31
"Irony" it should be DnD's second name
My first character in ttrpg was strongly against necromancy and Vol organisation...year later she became a necromancer and started using blood magic -_-
I don't know who was more shocked: my character or I
Thank you for this video! 😀🌹
I’m struggling to decide whether to kill him because I find him really annoying or not for his quests
I couldn’t resist killing him
My blood is the least of what I'd give Astarion to be quite honest 😂
Some people say, that Astarion isn't really desperate for blood in this scene, he just tests the limits of his tadpole control over him. They base it on the Origin gameplay when you choose Astarion as your avatar. But here's the thing. That isn't real Astarion gameplay, since you give a lot of yourself into Astarion, you may make different choices from how Astarion as a character is written and intended to act. The real Astarion is the companion one, he's trully the way the devs wanted him, not influenced by you in any way (aside from persuation/intimidation checks, which may still fail, so his decisions wouldn't be altered). So the avatar gameplay can't be taken as a proof. Besides him killing a character by draining them dry doesn't match with testing the tadpole. How exactly is "going too far" any sort of "testing the grip of the tadpole over my mind"? It simply isn't. So yea. Astarion WAS desperate for blood, it makes perfect sense for you to have to resist him twice, before he stops (if you succeed that is).
Never knew I needed to hear 6:28 until now
His face at 1:12 makes me so sad.
If I’m a paladin would it be against oath to let him drink your blood?
nah
Yes
Maybe
Vengeance paladin no. Can't say for the others
If you are a paladin asking yourself that question you know the answer! 😂
Incredible how you need 14 to strength to drive a sharp stake into a not-resisting vampire's chest.... id be happy if its 8 str for female characters lol
So if he kills you, then your main character is dead?
Yes, but it's not a game over, even if your party consisted only of the two of you. You immediately take control of Astarion after the deed is done, so you can revive your character using Astarion and a scroll of revive, or whatever it's called, you know you start with some on each character. You should also have Shadowheart in your party at that point, so again any character can revive your main. This is, what makes the game amazing in my eyes. Such details as your character's death being actually acknowledged and part of a character's story, Astarion even gets to apologize to you for "killing you".
Wheres the option to let him feed, then kill him?
Why on earth would you do that.
@@TF2CrunchyFrog cause he should have stopped when I told him to!
Can you ask the necro to bring him back?
Possibly but not yet, the game bugs out if you kill him sometimes. Some characters still talk about him like he is alive and other bugs.
nah, gotta use a revival scroll to the MC
@@Bound4Earth that sounds like a
Developer problem not a bug
I would say not. While Whithers can resurrect your dead characters, killing Astarion during this scenario is permanent, or should be (by logic you use a wooden stake to penetrate a vampire's heart, effectively killing that vampire for good, which should remove Astarion from your party, like you never met him, never recruited him, that sort).
Had no hesitation driving a stake through its heart. First the shit with the knife, now this? Nope, not trusting that in my camp. And it knows my scent. Might track me down later. Only one solution. Helps that it was so immediately unlikable the moment it opened its mouth.
I went with my gut of “it’s a vampire, kill it” and I missed. He’s now left my party forever. Does anyone know if he returns later in the story? Was enjoying his character and it would be a shame if the game just writes him out forever. Does he appear in any capacity later on?
Did you find out if he still comes back?
@@gabrielcaro no, I restarted my play through to get him back.
From comments on here I think you can find his body with his vampire lord, but even if you try and ressurect him or speak with him it’s not him.
No, the Gur capture him, and they get slaughtered when Cazador comes to collect him. You actually save their lives by saving him, oddly enough.
i killed him will i regret it lol are there any missions exactly for him
I certainly don't regret it XD. After putting a knife to my throat and then trying to drink me while I slept, no second chances after that.
Terrible choice
@RoyalGuardEziode It's RP, let them play how they want, they don't have to be super optimized. The fact he actually kills you in one of his options is enough to validate that choice lol
His story is probably my favorite, especially the redemption arc route.
@@briteboy4749 The game gives you two options to tell him to stop in sequence after he starts drinking. And he will instantly stop if you tell him to. He only drinks you dry if you willingly ignore _both_ opportunities to tell him to stop, or somehow manage to miss two easy rolls. And if you die, you're alive again the next morning, so he probably used a Revivify scroll on your or Withers brought you back or the tadpole (the game leaves that open). Anyway, whatever happened, you should talk to him the next morning after the bite scene and he will tell you more about his background as a slave to the vampire Cazador. And if he accidentally killed you, he will apologize.
Kum contains more nutrients than blood. Astarion should sak pps instead ( no horni jail or bonk plz )
I really dislike Astarion, only reason I let him live is to complete his side quests...
Adios Astarion. Upsetting the simps is the only reason needed 🤣
Yupp. I always stake him too