Restored J3 Piper Cub First flight and crash.
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2012
- For the impatient the crash is shortly after the 4 minute mark.
Also, this cub has been rebuilt and still glad to this day. The "new maiden" after the rebuild can be seen here--- • Restored Piper Cub fir...
After weeks of cleaning up the old piper cub we finally decide to try it out. Well, my dad got to try it out lol. This was the first flight in about 15 years and was sadly short lived. Clearly the old mans rusty. I Didn't even get to see it land once. It also would have been nice to actually fly it myself also. This fuselage is about 15 years old and has hundreds of flights on it, it had never been crashed until today but It will live to see another day. New maiden flight soon.
Update: thanks for all the comments. Yes plane was obviously tail heavy and a rusty pilot helped bring her on down...... this cub has since been rebuilt and still flies to this day! Rebuild and new maiden video can be found in the rest of my videos.
New maiden here:
• Restored Piper Cub fir...
Setup:
OS 48 surpass 4 cycle engine (25 years old)
FP-S148 Futaba servos
Spektrum AR6210 receiver
DX7s transmitter - Розваги
Being an actual pilot makes so much sense watching these rc plane crashes. He spun it. One wing stalls before the other. To recover, opposite rudders from spin direction and forward stick pressure. Then pull up from dive
Exactly. That’s what happened.
Cubs are known for it
Yep but in the cockpit you quickly realize what happens and react accordingly (unless paralyzed by terror) but while RCing the model and at the distance, you loose precious seconds until you realize what is going on, I tell you as an RC pilot. The higher the models flies the better.
@@rva1945 oh I’m sure!
" To recover, opposite rudders from spin direction and forward stick pressure. Then pull up from dive" Difficult to do when you've only got about two thirds of a second to react.
I'm a heli guy but also love planes, and particularly Piper for its clean shapes and overall look, haven't started flying planes yet but would love to, with an electric Piper. I am so sorry to watch this crash, it was such a beautiful model and I can't imagine how much time was spent on it. Hope you rebuilt and hope you never get glitches like this again
Takes a LOT to stall a Cub & spin it, some make it look easy!:-)
You want to know how I know you’ve never flown an RC J3? It’s because of the statement you made.
They are a ridiculously poor design for a trainer.
@@warbuzzard7167 look at the way this guy was flying it, I own a a real J-3. No hate to this guy but he has no idea how to fly it, look how uncoordinated and steep his turn was causing him to skid and stall a wing. This was pilot error. Google skidding turn into a spin and click on images and… what do you know his aircraft state and the picture look the same.
Oh man this brings back a lot of memories. The SIG cub was my dad and mine's first build. Took it out and right after take off the battery dislodged the plane stalled and crashed.
Oh my goodness.... I could not imagine the fear this would put into you to fly again, I nose dove a foamie and my confidence is crushed. Good for you Beef to come back and fly again ,and be awesome at it....
crashes are part of the hobby. im 3d printing an airplane rn
That looked like a CG problem to me. I had a Goldberg Cub that was damaged worse than this when I got my thumbs crossed - I hope you rebuild this one!
Stall spin for sure. That’s a bummer! She was a beautiful bird
Wearing Flip-Flops to a crash scene... priceless.
Only who had been through such tragedy in the past can feel the pain...
And all the people said "Amen"!
While the plane appears to be tailheavy with resulting excessive elevator authority the location wasnt an easy one either with tall trees and light poles. These would be restricting areas to manoeuvre an already difficult plane to fly
Dude. That was such a shame. The cub is a pleasure to fly when well sorted. I have a 142" 1/3 cub which is a darling. I use it to tow large gliders up. It did look like a case of too much elevator as it stalled. Others have pointed out the same. Doesn't ease the pain any though. Thank's for sharing. Trev.
He almost lost it every time he made a turn ...can't fly...needs a buddy cord....to high...too far away...don't horse the stick..
Been there, done that, and got a T-Shirt for it. in fact many T-shirts. It happens to the best of us.
classic stall/spin. Look at the adverse yaw just before she snaps over into the spin...aft CG too? looked pretty pitch sensitive. Thanks for posting, we all learn.
Yeah it stalled and spun but it looks like it glitched just going into the turn, look at the way the plane snaps up and down.
My thought exactly, textbook stall/spin.
Да, потеря скорости и задняя центровка.
always sad to see, happy to hear you rebuilt her though!
Whoever's cutting the grass there has an uneven mower deck :0(
Dude, I feel Your pain. That was a nice bird.
😢 that is a shame so sad the loss of such a beautiful j-3 cub . But it helps to think that 50,000 will be born in its place 😊 may all your future landings be happy ones .
i dropped a wing, your not alone
RIP senior tellimaster😥
buuuuut why i love balsa planes is thst you glue them back together, recover and fly again
It looks to me as though the pilot lost orientation on the direction of the plane as to the cause of the crash. Unless something failed, that was all pilot error. Good to hear you'll have the bird in the air again one day. The cubs fly slow and easy. I can't see the need for so much elevator input. The plane was up and down quite drastically which was two things, trim was off or pilot error.
As herky jerky as he was being on the stick, it is a wonder he didn't fold the wings up before the UN-co-ordinated, accelerated stall and spin.
Beautiful plane. Sorry for your lose.😢😢
That sucks, it always sucks to lose a plane, but in this case it was a classic stall spin, you had no aileron because the wings were stalled, cubs are fun because they teach you about coordination.. They dont like to be banked and yanked.. :( Rebuild her and fly the wings off her!!
Looks like stall and then spin, thanks,for sharing, happy to help you past #203.
All the start-up and preflight checking looked just right. I think his socks weren't pulled up tight enough.
Wow - the vert. stab. wasn't damaged at all!
I have a 40 years old one (mine is a Carl Goldberg kit) it was glow powered but I made it electric few years ago, great airplane for a slow pilot like me!
One of Goldberg's classics.
Hi I’m new to the hobby but trying to rebuild a Carl goldberg cub …. I don’t suppose you still have your plans do you ??
@@nicholasjackson828 No I don't but I think they still selling it as a kit (with plans).
@@alexabadi7458 I’ve looked everywhere apparently they went out of business I’ve scoured the internet with no luck 🤷♂️
@@nicholasjackson828 oops !
Great Planes does make a copy of the Piper Cub, it's not like the real Carl Goldberg but I guess that's the only choice we have now.
I crashed my Carl Goldberg Piper Cub last year and did not fix it (I become lazy) but I have the Sig Kadet Senior, it is easier to fly because it use wood that is much lighter than the one used for the Carl Goldberg Piper Cub kit.
I also have a Piper over 6 foot wingspan. And those are hard to stall. To me it looked like glitches in your radio system. Or maybe old battery. Sorry for your loss. Did the engine survive at least?
A Piper is flown with very little engine and breaking a model like that is evident the lack of practice. Greetings from Buenos Aires, Argentina 🇦🇷
Good lookin plane , sorry that happened , ive lost a few from spectrum radio failure
Sorry for your loss. Crashing is an important part of the hobby though!
Wow! So many perfect r/c pilots commenting. I wonder if they fly perfectly every single time
No, but we DO tend to call them as we see them. And this one looked like pilot error to me.
Thank you for showing us the post crash carnage 👍
Here it is rebuilt. Still flys to this day! ua-cam.com/video/s4OZ7xgpynk/v-deo.html
And here is the first flight after the rebuild. ua-cam.com/video/O2snSWDMjRI/v-deo.html
Hello ham...meet fist. Glad you got it flying again
Beautiful bush. Sad to see it go down.
It looked like you never had control of the aircraft the whole flight. Looked tail heavy. The takeoff was beautiful. I don't know if it was lack of experience and a tail heavy plane or what? Hope you got it flying again.
And that ladies and gentlemen is a spin
looks like the wing is ok. hoping same for the motor. just build the forward section of the fuselage. it is a beautiful looking model. good luck !
Love the flip-flop sound, all the way to the wreck.
My Carl Goldberg Anniversary Edition Cub when stalled would simply put the nose down straight ahead. I agree the CG must have been off. It looks rebuildable to me but I guess that depends on each persons abilities to build. Good luck in future flights!
Hi , long shot but I don’t suppose you still have the plans to your Carl goldberg cub do you as I’m rebuilding one (my first plane as new to the hobby).
@@nicholasjackson828 Sorry Nicholas I don’t but if you contact Carl Goldberg models I am fairly sure they could send you an original print. When I purchased my kit there were no instruction manual and CGM sent me a new one free of charge! Good Luck with your cub!
@@Rocknranchman they went out of business I was told 🤷♂️
@@nicholasjackson828 Now that I think about it - I seem to remember they were bought by some other company maybe SIG Manf.
that is sad. we've all done it.
I hate seeing that happen.. But that goes with the hobby sometimes..
If you rebuild with same 4stroke engine, I think you can use a slightly bigger prop w/maybe less pitch, for better thrust. That's what 4 strokes are for. I am thinking of finally getting a cub. Will probably add wing tip colors for visual coordination. That way I can use the plane to train my neighbors who've never flown before.
Kind of a bad place to fly such a large model need less trees so you don't have to make those sharp turns I noticed it kept wanting to stall looked like CG was not correct too much tail weight. I know this is an old video so years ago this happened. Before you fly a model check the CG out really good. If your tail heavy and get into the air stalling like that is a real possibility he had the throttle back too so just flying too slow and it stalled spun into the ground.
blastman8888 honestly I think the chosen place was plenty big enough but like they all say. Crashing is part of the hobby, accidents happen. I do really hate to see such a Beautiful plane demolished like that though it's a shame
Yep tail heavy. Been there done that. You can reset the CG and add wash out in the wings.
As the test pilot for my university’s design-build-fly team, I know the pain all too well
Its just a few cosmetic scratches...I am sure you will have it back together in no time.
I flew RC for 28 years, from trainer to pattern, to quad copters (I know, not really RC flying by the stricter code).
Did you ever decide what caused your crash? Beautiful model, great job building.
Cool. Thanks for the comment, I've flown off and on for the last 4-5 years, mostly helicopters but love the nitro planes. My dad(pilot in the video) flew most of his adult life but was coming off a 10 year burnout when he took to the air in this video. My judgement on the cause of this crash would be pilot error, possibly tail heavy but the experienced pilot lands the tail heavy plane immediately (actually, would know it was tail heavy before take off) so I'd say pilot error even if it was tail heavy.... We rebuilt it, added some nose weight and it flies to this day... Here's the "new maiden"....ua-cam.com/video/O2snSWDMjRI/v-deo.html. I also have videos from the rebuild.
I liked your video but not the crash ;) But I'm happy you got her flying again
The a/c is totally fine... It was just flown into a stall, entered a "graveyard spin" with this angle of attack and bank, game over.
guys why did you dislike this. if you were expecting a restored J3 cub crash, you got it. seriously. just because you thought it was going to be a full scale one, doesnt mean you should dislike it? he didnt clickbait you at all. you can restore RC planes ya know
all good it will buff out mate :)
Was waiting for a ground loop on takeoff, but instead you did it in the air. All part of learning to fly
Shit! So sorry. But happy you fixed it again! Greetings from Alaska.
Definitely a textbook spin entry. I teach actual spins in aviation. Had it been a little higher some opposite rudder of the roll would have saved it. Was a great looking model.
except for the fact, these are rc models and handle totally different to the real thing, also to those with knowledge of rc planes, this seems more like loss of radio signal, not "spin entry" lol
@@tizdaz5698 First a stall (error 1), then counter aileron to stop the spin (error 2), where rudder would have cured it. Aileron makes it worse as you can see.
You would be surprised finding how much alike Cubs at this size are to the 1:1....
Most things blamed on the radio were actually thumb induced flight path deviations...
Sod’s Law landing on gravel. If you are not confident and want to rebuild it give it some dihedral. It might have stopped this happening. As you improve you can reduce the dihedral. Make sure the c of g is about 25% wing chord. It was also flying faster than you could keep up with. When the crash is imminent cut the throttle and give full up elevator next time!
The best way to develop skills is to Aquire an electric epp flying wing with a motor at the back. Virtually indestructible. Discus launch it to avoid cutting your hand on the prop.
My piper cub was a pig to fly till I gave it dihedral. Looks funny, but at least it flies.
You know, I have been flying for 55 years...anybody thought about just reducing the throttle...flying it slower and not fighting it would have save the model!
Your correct. Old man syndrome got the best of the pilot... the model was saved tho. Still flies to this day.
Glad to hear the old bird is still flying. I have an own design scratch built 14 foot wingspan sailplane I built in 1983 and flying with a vintage 1978 Kraft Series Seventy Eight radio. The model is also still flying great today and is a joy to fly. I fly it in winter and need to deice the wing between flights! Love this hobby as I am sure you do as well. All the best.
classic stall spin. Notice in every turn the plane was skidding nose high, on the final turn there was a strong pitch up creating a stall in an uncoordinated condition and the plane entered a spin. aerodynamics 101...
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Looks like you had problems with pitch control the whole flight. Too much elevator travel or not enough expo maybe. Too bad though. Build, fly, crash, rebuild. That's the hobby.
Thats awful man i feel for you, i remember my first beautiful Cessna 182 i had just built it everything was brand new took it down to my flying club in north london 1996 first flight was no dramas then second flight it pitched up 5 mins into flight and then a full on nose dive it was the most awful last seconds felt helpless 😫😢 and smashed full speed into the ground even the engine split in half, i just have this feeling that someone sabotaged my transmitter frequency which was 35mhz back then.
Dang.. That sucks Man... Looked like it was super sensitive on the elevator.. Stall spin in a cub and it turns into a pig real fast.. Not enough height to let it settle out of the dive with some rudder..
Was it tail heavy or too much throws ?
Stalled the air frame. Novice pilot having expensive fun!
Rain Coast how does one even stall a cub?
lol Difficult, but not impossible for a simpleton!
It was the frickin' flip-flops that did it.
Lord, I hate flip flops. Make me cringe when I see them and particularly when I hear them.
Good vid.
What starter is that?
Was the plane balanced correctly at the recommended CG? Trying reducing the exponential rates for your rudder and ailerons. I have seen this accident repeated more than once with the same aircraft. The Cub cannot handle a low, slow, steep, high angle of attack turn. It will fall off on the inside wing. then go into a stall spin that cannot be stopped. If you have time read the book entitled 'Stick and Rudder' in it this type of spin and how to avoid it is discussed and analyzed in detail.
The cubs tend to do that , best to have a nose heavy CG. And don't stall it :)
Lol the noise of the flip flops haha
Looked tail heavy, stall, not loss of control, glad it didnt hit anyone!
Better get NTSB to investigate that crash. I’m building a 1/4 cub right now and seeing this makes me wonder if I should actually fly it.
Roses are red,
Violets are blue.
The Cub crashes at
4:02
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Yes, hilarious sound at 4:10!
Gøran Gundersen thank you
Hahaha.
Too bad. Nice plane.
seemed like it wanted to stall on the previous turns also , but you were able to regain control.........I do believe the shape of the Piper wings will cause that tendency ...............
Oh man, I know the feeling. Yellow and green grass just don't look good.
Maybe just me, but I would never use them nyrods. If not properly secure they will bend all to heck in the model and you have little to no control of elevator or rudder. Lost more then a few planes with them. Never again for me. Good old dowel push rods.. Just me. Sad loss, nice Cub. Should not be a hard rebuild though.
My heart breaks for you. Man
No rudder, went into the bank too slow+adverse yaw = spin.
Gotta' keep on the rudder on these Cubs. They aren't trainers.
It wouldnt snap like that....
Tims Menuiserie it didn’t snap roll on the turn at all, he was trying to turn at a slow speed, using ailerons only on a tail heavy Cub. The turns need to be wide with the CG being so far off and even when CG is correct then there needs to be manual rudder input if it isn’t mixed in! When cubs are set up correctly, they’ll fly a treat and actually be almost difficult to stall, unfortunately this wasn’t one of those setups!
Right i had a 1/4 scale cub made sure i did that lol
@@timmo5443 tail heavy
So many people forget that stick on the left moves left and right, im always on the rudder but i learned on a 1/4 scale j3. Definitely have to pilot a cub, especially on landing, i find myself doing the exact same as a full scale cub driver and kicking rudder left and right on touchdown. Soooo much fun 😁 hopefully doing maiden on my daughter j3 tomorrow morning if it not raining
Did you check the CG was correct? It acted tail heavy in the air, just didn’t settle, properly trimmed it should fly just about hands off. We’ve all taken home more bits of aeroplane at the end of the day than we started with.
Looked tail heavy and then came the stall...I have Piper Cub and it will do same thing if I stall it with full rudder.....does really great flat spins...Just need plenty of altitude for recovery...if you don't chop the throttle, you will flat spin it to the ground.
Yes you pulled too much elevator (as the aircraft balloons up and slows) then with no speed and at the stall and trying to turn you initiated a wing drop to the left and spin. Then what prob happens is the tendency to keep pulling back on the stick, when you need to lower the nose or full power with the model pointed in the right direction towards you in spin, would probably have got you out of the situation. Most model planes have such high power to weight ratio compared to full size often only full power is needed - the model pitches up with the power and forward with the thrust and resumes normal flight. But lowering the nose would have probably got you in the trees anyway. The site wasn't great too for model flying, too many trees. You need big open spaces for shallow turns if you don't have much experience and buddy box set up helps.
Absolutely..nailed it in one...when he was in the stall he also said he had full aileron which would definitely make matters worse.....didn't like him starting it without it being restrained either....seen too many flyers over the years with bits of fingers missing...👍👍
To see it pile in like that, ouch!
Are sure it was pilot error and NOT a radio disconnect problem?
To me, it looked very twitchy especially in pitch, as if the c of g was too far back.
Stall Spin
Flying field w/ half dozen light poles. What could possibly go wrong?
I used to fly r/c planes. Started wit a trainer, moved up to a piper cub, then a super sportster low
Wing. Never hand any major problems. Few broken props, normal stuff. Then I got a great planes Patriot with retractable landing gear Took off fine, did a few sketchy laps around the field the I lost orientation of it. Wasn’t sure if it was inverted or not. I panicked and pulled down on the elevator stick. It went down nose first in go ggfinf nn😮
Nice and relaxed about the crash...nice...too far out for such an acute turn with elevator causing stall and then spiral dive which needs lots of either air speed or engine power to get out of it....plane had neither but at least pilot remained relaxed....test of a true man and the pilot in RC will always live to fly again.
Hmmmm....the CG looked aft to me. The pitch was a handful.
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That's exactly what I was thinking while I watched. It seemed too tail heavy. After he took off I thought he was never in control of the aircraft. The only smooth maneuver was his takeoff. I don't think he has much experience and just rolled it and lost more control than he had in the first place...LOL
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Tail heavy if the plane cannot glide properly, you need to adjust or trim elevator. It will little help.
That'll buff right out.
Damn, thought it would be another bad c.g. video, but this was flying nice? Did it lock out? My rule is nothing less than 6volts on Spektrum. I have a couple of very old .40 nito planes that I've built myself and are over 20 years old. More scared to fly them than my aerobats that are in the thousands of dollars, not because of price but sentimental value, so it hurt to see this shit happen man. But youre dad is a good builder so let him decide if its worth reworking. Wish you well.
Man that one hurt. Any idea what happened?
oh well at least no one was killed lol . Man that would suck its wrecked !
What a shame. It looked like a beautiful plane.
Yep stalled it lol next time ( if you can think fast enough lol) try and nose the plan down to get your airspeed back up far enough to gain control ( i know its a panic situation lol) the control surfaces just quit working when there isn't enough air flow passing over them ( i have like 50+ flying videos on here with over twenty or so different planes lol) i been doing other stuff now ( i build sport bike street-fightered badasses now) but a few years back i was quite the rc pilot lol
I'm thinking that the signal was lost.The same thing just happend with my CMP 1830mm Cub but luckily it startted at a much higher altitude. The experienced pilot held my radio over his head and walked quickly towards plane and got signal back and saved the plane.Glad to see you got it back together.
That was a quick $500-1000
Sorry about the crash due to stall. Did you ever get it back together again?
No, he's in an insane asylum.
Cubs are notorious for tip stalls and once it is in a spiraling stall you need to let go the elevator to regain speed or it will just spiral to the ground like in the video. Check out some foamys at Hobby King for some easy flyers and easily fixed as well.
My cub re teaches nearly everytime. I totally agree with you assessment of this crash. Mine did the same but at a much lower altitude and less damage but lesson learned for me.
Wheres the wing struts?
Radio man i have lost two planes recently because of this
accelerated stall and spin.
he stalled it